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Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Well, some of you might know, some of you may not. For 3 years, I played without cheating, 100% legit, and loved it. However, Browsing some forums, I came across a few places, in which I found some hacks. Low and behold it, the greedy side of my took over. And I downloaded them. Used them in game, and fair enough, got my ass banned off most servers that are respectful. Now, Im not going to sit here, and cry my way out of being banned of servers, im not going to sit here and ask for forgiveness. Nor am I going to sit here, telling you it was another person. It was me, I did it. I downloaded the hacks, had fun for a few games, and now I'm paying the price for it. I have reinstalled renegade, clean sheet. And play on a few servers here and there. I already know Troop is going to love this, as well as a few others. Your going to flame me, and im prepared for it. Let me tell you this though- I was stupid, greedy, power hungry. Ive seen the error in my actions, as I too, hated cheaters at one point. This message, is to all my in-game friends. When i get off my three-month ban from my clan, your going to see a better player, both in-game, and as a person. BBF, I apologize for all of this, I take 100% responsibility for it. And to nas, MexPirate, I apologize to you two the most. Mex, you recommended me here, and out of the goodness of your heart, taught me how to play 1 Vs. 1's better. Nas, you took me into your clan, as a leader. And showed me what a true clan was all about. Im going to accept my banning, since I have no choice. To all the people to renegade forums, I know this doesnt seem like the person i Am, but im paying the price, for three days of fun. Yes, you can say it. Im a low-life scummy cheater. I ruined games, made people upset, betrayed my clan, betrayed myself. Since thats all im here to say, ill leave it at that. Hate me, or continue to like me for who i am, its your call. Now then, with that said- Im waiting for the entire community to flame me.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T05:04:45-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: That's a really fucking retarded idea dude. At least you're admitting to it but you should not have posted this here imo.
creator: Tunaman
date: 2007-03-12T05:11:28-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: ITs not a hot topic, not a clan topic, not a renguard ban. Just a general discussion. I think it fits perfectly here.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T05:17:45-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I don't think you should have made this a public issue. Too many people are going to be immature about it, and there really was no point for a public apology. Some things are best if the masses don't know about them. This is probably one of them. Other than that, there's not much to say. You haven't proven yourself to be an idiot, so there's no reason to expect that you have some expectation that you're going to be exalted for your confession. We all make mistakes, and the worst thing you could have done is to tried to apologize and demand forgiveness and pity. You showed some class and kept your dignity. I commend you for that because it's quite the rare thing in this community of immature idiots. Like you said, just accept your 3 month ban and move on. Most will have forgotten in a week, anyways.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2007-03-12T05:22:55-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 00:22 I don't think you should have made this a public issue. Too many people are going to be immature about it, and there really was no point for a public apology. Some things are best if the masses don't know about them. This is probably one of them. This was my point.
creator: Tunaman
date: 2007-03-12T05:23:45-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Thanks Jball, its nice to see theres some mature members left on this foums. I think to fully clear my name though, a full apology to the public is needed.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T05:27:53-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Don't take me wrong, I'm not condemning you for posting about this. I just don't believe you deserve the humiliation that you're going to recieve for this post. I still think it is/was a retarded idea to cheat, and that you screwed up. But you seem to be sincere about your apology, and now that you posted this here you're going to be humiliated by everyone and this post isn't doing anything to help you at all. If you think this is going to "clear your name" then you're very much wrong.. You will probably get banned from many more servers just because they read this. And many people are not going to believe you anyways.
creator: Tunaman
date: 2007-03-12T05:32:50-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I'm glad you came around and admitted your mistake though. Cheating sucks and caused a lot of people to leave this game, but it takes maturity to come out and admit that you made a mistake. Good job.
creator: [NE]Fobby[GEN]
date: 2007-03-12T05:36:42-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Ralphzehunter wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 00:32 Don't take me wrong, I'm not condemning you for posting about this. I just don't believe you deserve the humiliation that you're going to recieve for this post. I still think it is/was a retarded idea to cheat, and that you screwed up. But you seem to be sincere about your apology, and now that you posted this here you're going to be humiliated by everyone and this post isn't doing anything to help you at all. If you think this is going to "clear your name" then you're very much wrong.. You will probably get banned from many more servers just because they read this. And many people are not going to believe you anyways. Your right, im already planning on making a new account. And probably going to change my IP. Might as well start fresh. And I'm not here to care if people beleive me. Im not here to care if they ban me/flame me. Ill respond to most flames, since I owe them that pleasure when i posted the first message.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T05:38:05-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: [NE Fobby[GEN] wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 00:36]I'm glad you came around and admitted your mistake though. Cheating sucks and caused a lot of people to leave this game, but it takes maturity to come out and admit that you made a mistake. Good job. Thank You. It's people like you that help keep these forums flame-retardent. Instead of nonsence flaming, you slapped me in the face and said wake up. In which case, i thank you.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T05:40:02-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I also believe you apology is sincere, I also don't think your going to get flamed as much as you think. Obviously you apologized, and no real cheater would wast his time with doing so, he would probably just change his name and IP, and continue cheating. It would be pointless to punish a cheater that no longer cheats for stopping, if anything it would just encourage the person to continue.
creator: Jerad2142
date: 2007-03-12T06:21:39-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Jerad Gray wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 01:21 I also believe you apology is sincere, I also don't think your going to get flamed as much as you think. Obviously you apologized, and no real cheater would wast his time with doing so, he would probably just change his name and IP, and continue cheating. It would be pointless to punish a cheater that no longer cheats for stopping, if anything it would just encourage the person to continue. Even if down the road i hear something like "Cheek, a proven cheater" Or anything like that, Ill be able to tell them, I changed my ways, I fessed up, move on.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T06:32:38-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: cheekay77 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 06:38 Your right, im already planning on making a new account. And probably going to change my IP. Might as well start fresh. And I'm not here to care if people beleive me. Im not here to care if they ban me/flame me. Ill respond to most flames, since I owe them that pleasure when i posted the first message. Posting here you're going to ban evade will not do you any good. You had your laugh, you must pay for it. You should not rejoin the servers you cheated on, ban evading si as bad as cheating again. Out of respect for the misery you caused these servers, you should stay away from it. One thing: are you sorry you cheated or are you sorry you got caught? Would you still be cheating if noone banned you from their servers?
creator: Goztow
date: 2007-03-12T07:49:20-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: cheekay77 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 00:32 Even if down the road i hear something like "Cheek, a proven cheater" Or anything like that, Ill be able to tell them, I changed my ways, I fessed up, move on. Tell them nothing especially if you have moved on. A clean slate includes not mentioning the past. Replying to any comment when you have a new name will open all the old wounds.
creator: puddle_splasher
date: 2007-03-12T09:25:46-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Goztow wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 02:49 cheekay77 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 06:38 Your right, im already planning on making a new account. And probably going to change my IP. Might as well start fresh. And I'm not here to care if people beleive me. Im not here to care if they ban me/flame me. Ill respond to most flames, since I owe them that pleasure when i posted the first message. Posting here you're going to ban evade will not do you any good. You had your laugh, you must pay for it. You should not rejoin the servers you cheated on, ban evading si as bad as cheating again. Out of respect for the misery you caused these servers, you should stay away from it. One thing: are you sorry you cheated or are you sorry you got caught? Would you still be cheating if noone banned you from their servers? I was feeling bad about cheating way before hand. After about the third game or so, I was more or less, thinking to myself..well, this is it? I figured it woulda been funner. But it really just ruined the fun in it. And, its not cheating to change your IP. No one will know my new IP, im staying off IRC, staying off renguard. The only place that will know, here, and my clan page. And, the new name wont be one obvious. And other post- I'm finishing up the past soon enough. And I'm staying off renegade for awhile anyways.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T10:56:35-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Who the fuck are you to decide when your ban is over? Now of course you're a fucking idiot if you change your IP. I could understand if you were wrongfully banned on servers. But if a server owner doesn't believe you are not going to cheat again (which the changing your IP makes me want to believe), then what right do you have to think it's OK to change your IP and "start over" Every cheater that gets caught usually is sorry for it, you're no different then them. Why should you be any different? I feel bad for your clan if they let you back after fully admitting that you'd change your IP. You really *are* no better than them, are you?
creator: Sniper_De7
date: 2007-03-12T11:33:37-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I actually agree with puddle_splasher on his comment about not mentioning your past. I made a real-life mistake, but it's in my past now, and I don't mention it usually. When I do, it's to laugh at myself. I also agree with Sniper. You're still banned regardless if you change your name or IP. Sure, people won't know it's you, but you, the person who cheated, is still banned. A fugitive is still a fugitive even if he changes his appearance. Your mistakes aren't suddenly forgotten because you disguise yourself. Your disguise is just an attempt to make a dishonest attempt to live a normal life. You may not have the same mentality as before, but you're still just as guilty of the crime.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2007-03-12T12:53:13-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Sometimes people deserve a second chance. It can be life altering given the oppurtunity.
creator: reborn
date: 2007-03-12T14:02:44-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Not if they act that way, they don't deserve it. If you're going to be lenient with cheaters, then make every cheater have a second chance, and when that chance is broken then ban. However, people have already gotten second chances broken and yet they somehow get more still yet. Strange. He knew it was wrong yet he continued to cheat - even after being banned on more popular servers that would have served as a wakeup call, yet it didn't phase him. He can say whatever he likes to troop but compared to troop, at least troop never cheated. anybody else > troop > cheaters It's just a really bad policy to only give chances to some people and not to others. There have been *many* people who've been sorry and haven't been shown any leniency, why shouldn't they get any second chances if other people do? That goes with pretty much anyone. If the guy who discovers the ultimate cure for cancer or whatever and ultimately saves millions of lives, should he get a second chance if he murders some people? It's not for the cheater's dissatisfaction that someone is banned, but more the fact that a person aught to be banned based on the fact of what he did wrong to the countless players he affected. I was all for pretty much not caring about him until he talked about ignoring the bans that were placed and changing his IP and what-not. What is it? 2 stops back for cheating, one step forward for admitting, and then 2 steps back for evading bans that are completely justified? He can talk about flaming him all he wants and act like it would be immature, but I think that just shows his maturity right there. "I deserve a second chance and I'll force it by evading my bans" Why don't you instead just deal with it? I've been banned by countless servers for doing nothing wrong and haven't done anything to get by the bans. Well, except for trying to reason with the server admins/mods, explaining I wasn't cheating. That's a hard challenge though. Either way, it's his own choice whether he wants t…
creator: Sniper_De7
date: 2007-03-12T14:24:35-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: If you really want to start over with a clean sheet, then go to all server's forums, post what you posted here and ask to remove the ban. If THEY decide you can get the 2nd chance, THEN you should rejoin. Changing ip now is just forgiving yourself for what you did, whereas it's the server owners that need to forgive you. That being said, I'm unsure on how many server owners will let you rejoin tbh.
creator: Goztow
date: 2007-03-12T14:41:05-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: It takes a lot to appologize and I thank you for it. Cheating sucks and getting cuaght I'm sure sucks even more. Your ban from BBF will last 3 months, that's how long you're banned because it's in the rules. That doesn't mean in 3 months I'll re-admit you, it simply means that you have the chance to rejoin. I give second chances. I don't want anyone to miss out on opportunities because of some silly mistakes. With that said, though, I will need assurance that you won't cheat again and that there has been a change; not just a change of IP, nick, etc.. In 3 months you can re-apply to the clan and the server ban might be lifted.
creator: nastorm
date: 2007-03-12T14:52:10-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Thanks for the honesty, although a bit late. Out of curiosity, can you try to describe how cheating made you feel, while you were doing it? I am interested in the psychology of cheaters. I have found that most cheaters cheat not to win, but rather because they "get off" on making people angry. Someone who truly cheats to win, would use a subtle cheat, and prefer not to be detected. Most it seems, use obvious cheats and just sit and LOL everytime they one-shot kill something and someone goes "OMG xxxx hax!". They keep doing it until they get banned, and then they go to another server and do the same thing, like its a drug that they can't get enough of. So which type are/were you? Please sit and think back to what it felt like when you cheated, before you answer.
creator: Blazer
date: 2007-03-12T15:36:11-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I wasted my time with you, encouraged you to join and even stood up for you - then explained that you had been suspected, you denied it entirely saying that you had a different IP and you could proove it. ONLY WHEN SEVERAL PEOPLE SPENT EXTRA TIME PROOVING 110% THAT IT WAS YOU AND ELIMINATING ALL POSSIBLE OTHER EXPLANATIONS DID YOU ADMIT TO CHEATING. that doesn't really make it an admition imo because we already knew and you knew that we had undenyable proof. I didn't post it here to flame you because this situation is an embarrasment for me and for my clan. Our charter may state a minimum 3 month ban, but you will not be allowed to rejoin if I have anything to do with it - I would leave if for some bizarre reason you were allowed. So if you have any decency stay away from BBF, you will not be welcome for as long as I am there. Thanks to BI for the new anti-cheat measures and renunderground for coming to us with the details and going the extra mile to ensure there was no doubt.
creator: MexPirate
date: 2007-03-12T17:27:55-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: cheekay77 wrote on Sun, 11 March 2007 23:04 Well, some of you might know, some of you may not. For 3 years, I played without cheating, 100% legit, and loved it. However, Browsing some forums, I came across a few places, in which I found some hacks. Low and behold it, the greedy side of my took over. And I downloaded them. Used them in game, and fair enough, got my ass banned off most servers that are respectful. Now, Im not going to sit here, and cry my way out of being banned of servers, im not going to sit here and ask for forgiveness. Nor am I going to sit here, telling you it was another person. It was me, I did it. I downloaded the hacks, had fun for a few games, and now I'm paying the price for it. I have reinstalled renegade, clean sheet. And play on a few servers here and there. I already know Troop is going to love this, as well as a few others. Your going to flame me, and im prepared for it. Let me tell you this though- I was stupid, greedy, power hungry. Ive seen the error in my actions, as I too, hated cheaters at one point. This message, is to all my in-game friends. When i get off my three-month ban from my clan, your going to see a better player, both in-game, and as a person. BBF, I apologize for all of this, I take 100% responsibility for it. And to nas, MexPirate, I apologize to you two the most. Mex, you recommended me here, and out of the goodness of your heart, taught me how to play 1 Vs. 1's better. Nas, you took me into your clan, as a leader. And showed me what a true clan was all about. Im going to accept my banning, since I have no choice. To all the people to renegade forums, I know this doesnt seem like the person i Am, but im paying the price, for three days of fun. Yes, you can say it. Im a low-life scummy cheater. I ruined games, made people upset, betrayed my clan, betrayed myself. Since thats all im here to say, ill leave it at that. Hate me, or continue to like me for who i am, its your call. Now then, with that said- Im waiting for…
creator: JohnDoe
date: 2007-03-12T17:31:23-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Blazer wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 10:36 Thanks for the honesty, although a bit late. Out of curiosity, can you try to describe how cheating made you feel, while you were doing it? I am interested in the psychology of cheaters. I have found that most cheaters cheat not to win, but rather because they "get off" on making people angry. Someone who truly cheats to win, would use a subtle cheat, and prefer not to be detected. Most it seems, use obvious cheats and just sit and LOL everytime they one-shot kill something and someone goes "OMG xxxx hax!". They keep doing it until they get banned, and then they go to another server and do the same thing, like its a drug that they can't get enough of. So which type are/were you? Please sit and think back to what it felt like when you cheated, before you answer. Neither, I was more or less the type that sat there, and was like... This is it? I got bored of it really easy. So on the last day, I said fuck it, Then it happend to be that my clan found out, and banned me. Not saying i didnt deserve it. After three games or so, in my case, I was wondering to myself- There has to be more fun then this. It was just an easy answer to kill people. And your right, I know i was obvious about it, cause i really didnt care all that much. And To Goztow, Wheter I myself, as a person, is banned, A new account, new Ip, will be all it needs. And im also knowing that the forums can trace them, and therefore post in a forum topic- OMG HAXOR! BAN HIS IP! NOWWWWWWW. Then post it everywhere. If I see that happen, I'll have to leave the forums. Ill browse them, obviously, but have my own input, probably not. And Mex- I personally could care less about your post, I thought you would have been mature about it, instead, you post that I was caught, proven, then fessed up. Which, I already said, so there was no need to say that. Your attempt to make me feel bad, failed. I liked you as a person, until some of the things you said to me on msn. It was quite s…
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T18:04:22-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Sniper_De7 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 06:33 Who the fuck are you to decide when your ban is over? Now of course you're a fucking idiot if you change your IP. I could understand if you were wrongfully banned on servers. But if a server owner doesn't believe you are not going to cheat again (which the changing your IP makes me want to believe), then what right do you have to think it's OK to change your IP and "start over" Every cheater that gets caught usually is sorry for it, you're no different then them. Why should you be any different? I feel bad for your clan if they let you back after fully admitting that you'd change your IP. You really *are* no better than them, are you? I dont care. Im not going to cheat, beleive me, or dont. I already said im no different from then, I also already said that the ban on my clan is three months. I said nothing of the ban on the servers. So, Who am I? No one, the rule wasnt made by me. Every person, within a certain alotment, deserves a second chance, and if it's not given, Ill take it.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T18:18:56-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: cheekay77 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 12:18 I also already said that the ban on my clan is three months. Every person, within a certain alotment, deserves a second chance, and if it's not given, Ill take it. I hope you didn't mean to associate those two sentances, don't even think about trying to coming back to BBF under a different name. EDIT: as is custom, the cheaters IP's are here in case anyone wishes to add him to their ban lists: 207.210.26.30, 207.210.20.116, 207.210.22.184.
creator: MexPirate
date: 2007-03-12T18:28:10-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I dont mean BBF at all. In fact, Nas has already said in that time he has to decide. And what if he does let me in? You going to leave? Seriously Mex, that sounds pretty pathetic. 666* Sweet, always wanted to hit this number.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T18:29:13-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: "BBFnastorm" He isn't getting a second chance. That's my word about this, BBF charter or not I won't re-allow cheaters into the clan unless I am sure that they have changed. I don't want it hurting our reputation or causing more problems in the future. He will be allowed to post on our forums unless he causes significant problems. I urge everyone not to let this become a huge deal. Don't pressure other clans into banning him but if you would like you can tell them the action that we have taken and if they want more info on the matter they can come to our forums. stfu As for leaving making me pathetic? no, cheaters are pathetic. I have principles, I don't want to play with cheaters. I have already left one clan over something "trivial" because it contradicted my principles - If you were truly genuine in your apology I don't think you should have a problem staying away from me and my clan.
creator: MexPirate
date: 2007-03-12T18:39:21-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Then its settled. Im gone from that clan. Whoodie-friggen do. And I never seen that msg he sent there.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T18:51:29-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: MexPirate wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 13:28 cheekay77 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 12:18 I also already said that the ban on my clan is three months. Every person, within a certain alotment, deserves a second chance, and if it's not given, Ill take it. I hope you didn't mean to associate those two sentances, don't even think about trying to coming back to BBF under a different name. EDIT: as is custom, the cheaters IP's are here in case anyone wishes to add him to their ban lists: 207.210.26.30, 207.210.20.116, 207.210.22.184. And posting that wont help, I'll openly say it will be changed. When i do, I wont be back on these forums.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T18:52:44-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: cheekay77 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 19:04 And To Goztow, Wheter I myself, as a person, is banned, A new account, new Ip, will be all it needs. And im also knowing that the forums can trace them, and therefore post in a forum topic- You are no better than all the others that cheated in the past or still cheat then. So be it.
creator: Goztow
date: 2007-03-12T18:53:31-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Quote: This bring back my good point...why cheat? If you have no skill and hate being noob for those couple months, dun play this game. Dont ruin it for other people. Sound familiar? No? how about this Quote: If hes guilty, die/burn in hell, cheaters suck and so do you. You are a hypocrite. You do not deserve a second chance (although, I've said this before, but every time you join a game you have the choice of whether or not to cheat. After being *BANNED* on the first server, you STILL had a second chance to stop cheating - you didn't) That is why, even when you had ample opportunity to stop cheating, you didn't. What made you stop? You had to be *caught* cheating. A confession is worthless if there is proof of the crime. You would have carried on cheating no matter what. Then you have the audacity to say mexpirate is immature when YOU are the one who cheated, and YOU are the one who admitted that you would just change your IP. You have some nerve, boy. You need to grow up. Better yet, why don't you take your own advice (If you haven't figured it out yet, the quotes are from you) and go play a different game and don't come back. Prick, the fucking nerve...
creator: Sniper_De7
date: 2007-03-12T18:54:10-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: So? Other then the fact it will anger the peopl here, once i brake away from the ties of the forum, nobody will realise its me. DOnt you get that? After a week or so, your not going to be determined to "find cheek" Becaue you'll give up caring. And yes, I hate cheaters, I hated myself, Im a hypocrite. You happy? Your proving nothing other then whats been said.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T18:58:27-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Haha, this thread is funny, I was concerned when you managed a sensible coherant apology to start off with and actually had support from many people here. It's a shame you just owned yourself.
creator: MexPirate
date: 2007-03-12T19:04:32-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I didnt own myself. Im taking action on what I did. Im sitting off renegade for a bit, I need a break. Im not owning myself- All because i admitted i was changing my IP you have a different look on it? How old are you? 12? Its not cheating, ITs ban evading, Yes. I will admit that. Is it right? No. They wont give me second chances, since most of the server owners dont listen, and ban ban ban, and never allow back in. They dont care who you are, just another cheater to them. So why should I care who they are? And the people in this forum, who post something easily replied to without it being a flame, will see a true contructive conversation. You keep flaming, I'll fight my way for it. You keep the flaming small, Ill post something other then these last 8 idiot posts. OT: I would prefer is it wasnt Goztow-Sniper-Mex Vs Cheek. I would like other input. I dont feel like sitting argueing with them, since they wont listen to anything you say.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T19:09:15-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Every time you post you make trooprm02 look 1000times better. In fact, I actually admire him a bit. Sure he's dumb sometimes, but he's right sometimes. Like with you, and even the c4 thing has some merit. At least he has some kind of moral decency. I mean calling mexpirate immature when he has standards to not want to do anything with a cheater. It's just laughable. I stood by a cheater once. Asked him to stop and he was caught cheating later. So yes, even people you've played countless games with who say they won't cheat, you really can't believe a word they say. That goes for anyone. what cheat was he using anyways?
creator: Sniper_De7
date: 2007-03-12T19:10:28-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Since, that wasnt a total flame. Ill let you know, You wanna know the cheats, and this includes everyone- I wont name the names, since it will get removed. Rememebr that video? Stealth hand DIE! bonk sound, one shot kill? That was it. I had that.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T19:14:21-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: cheekay77 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 14:09 I didnt own myself. Im taking action on what I did. Im sitting off renegade for a bit, I need a break. Im not owning myself- All because i admitted i was changing my IP you have a different look on it? How old are you? 12? Its not cheating, ITs ban evading, Yes. I will admit that. Is it right? No. They wont give me second chances, since most of the server owners dont listen, and ban ban ban, and never allow back in. They dont care who you are, just another cheater to them. So why should I care who they are? And the people in this forum, who post something easily replied to without it being a flame, will see a true contructive conversation. You keep flaming, I'll fight my way for it. You keep the flaming small, Ill post something other then these last 8 idiot posts. How do you *know* they wouldn't have given you a second chance? You really don't, do you? You just assumed. You see, if you were truly apologetic you would respect what the server owners want. Let's take a look at the records on cheaters and how many times htey said they were sorry, got unbanned, and then cheated again. They're PAYING for their server to keep it cheat-free. Do you think some people have the money to hope that you won't cheat again? There have been people that have been unbanned for cheating before, and it usually means what you did in the first post. But if you aren't going to respect their rules (ie ban evading) then why on earth would you deserve to belong there? (from their perspective) edit: ahh, you mean this- "That "die" boink sound rocks I like it, i would use it." I see I had some merit in believing only a cheater would find a use for it
creator: Sniper_De7
date: 2007-03-12T19:15:34-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Never mind, I take back what I said. I think you're fucking pathetic and shouldn't have any sort of a second chance. Now you're trying to justify what you did and are going to do, and I thought you were apologizing. You're not sorry at all for what you did if you don't think that you should be punished.
creator: Tunaman
date: 2007-03-12T19:22:07-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: You know, if YOU were being mature about this whole thing, you wouldn't need to get a new nick, change your IP, and try and slip under the radar. That's not leaving your past behind, that's avoiding it and avoiding others that think poorly of the decisions that you've made. Man up to the fact that you've made a mistake and you have to deal with the distrust and ridicule that come as a consequence to your actions. We're not the ones at fault here; you are. Mex had every right to say what he did. I do not know the extent of your MSN conversation, but what he said on here is completely rational. I think you're just sour at the fact that you turned someone who was your friend against you because you made a poor decision. Don't act like he's supposed to be perfectly accepting of the situation. Betrayal is a hard thing to get over.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2007-03-12T19:36:50-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Im trying to be mature about it. Im still not going to cheat, Ralphe, I still mean every word of it. Goztow, I plan on going to the few servers i played on (before all this) I dont think im banned on noobstories, Jelly, or DUN. If I am, Ill be talking to the server admins, apologising. And ralphe again, Im not trying ti jusitfy what i did. I was 100% wrong, And I know that. Im not going to by cocky about it, I fucked up. If im true about not cheating anymore, then goztow is right, talking to the server admins is needed. And Yes, I did assume. I talked to a few Mods, from various servers, and I've told them to look here. Look, Im sorry for what I did, you wanna flame me, go for it. Ill accept all of what you send towards me, Instead of trying to fire it back at you. Jball, thanks again, for posting something that actually meant something to me. I shouldnt be mad at Mex, Since it was my fault. Mex, I know you still figure me a pathetic loser, but for what its worth- Again, Im sorry. You had every right to flame me on msn, as it was the only way that you could get through to me. They wre right, I was just mad at the fact I got ripped apart with flames, I guess i couldnt take it as well as I thought.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T19:49:57-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I'm glad you agree. I know it's hard to handle everybody else being angry at you and getting their digs in when you're mad at yourself. For what it's worth, I don't think that you should be considered with the lowest level of cheaters. If you are being truthful with what you're saying (and I'm going to go out on a limb and believe you are), then I still think you deserve to be respected at some degree. Unfortunately, and it's none of our fault, so many have come before you and tried to confess, apologize, and then end up pissing off the community with their arrogant attitude and refusal to accept the consequences of their actions. I think that automatically makes us a little more skeptical and less forgiving.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2007-03-12T20:11:48-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 15:11 I'm glad you agree. I know it's hard to handle everybody else being angry at you and getting their digs in when you're mad at yourself. For what it's worth, I don't think that you should be considered with the lowest level of cheaters. If you are being truthful with what you're saying (and I'm going to go out on a limb and believe you are), then I still think you deserve to be respected at some degree. Unfortunately, and it's none of our fault, but so many have come before you and tried to confess, apologize, and then end up pissing off the community with their arrogant attitude and refusal to accept the consequences of their actions. I think that automatically makes us a little more skeptical and less forgiving. Yes, Your right. So Is Sniper, So Is Goztow. So Is Mex. Everyone, has a right to get their shots in at me. I have no right taking it personal. I guess for now, I have to go to other servers...I wasnt banned from many, despite what some of you beleive. And tell their owners my story, if they chose to accept me back, then hooray. If they dont, ill live with it. With the way people acted to me hiding my IP, I think I'd rather be more respected here, and have a voice in what happen/opinions, then to be in-game, a nobody, and have to play for 3 years, to get my name back to where it was.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T20:16:32-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: So you will be staying with your nick then?
creator: Sniper_De7
date: 2007-03-12T20:19:10-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: cheekay77 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 16:16 With the way people acted to me hiding my IP, I think I'd rather be more respected here, and have a voice in what happen/opinions, then to be in-game, a nobody, and have to play for 3 years, to get my name back to where it was. That's called personal responsibility, and you're already ahead of American Democrats in recognizing the importance of it (yes, it's an off topic dig, liberals piss me off). I'm glad to see you agree with having to live with the consequences.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2007-03-12T20:19:30-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Sniper_De7 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 15:19 So you will be staying with your nick then? BBFCheek will be deleted. Cheekay77, in-game, will be there. Yes, Ill keep it. Actually, the numbers "MIGHT" be differnet. Im not sure if you can recover deleted nicks. Either way, it will be Cheekay<Inserthere>
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T20:20:26-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: For what it's worth I will agree with that, you are/were a lesser breed of cheater than most - I am only pissed off because it is personal and you lied to me even after I came directly to you with the facts (after taking your side and denying you were cheating) and offering you the chance to explain/come clean. Had you stuck with the feeling of your first post and not started telling everyone that you planned to evade any bans then people would have a hell of a lot more respect (and I think would most probably have lifted bans or not imposed them) - as I said, because of the situation and the fact that I have taken this personally (call me vindictive if you want) I didn't want that to happen. But thankfully you said to much and made yourself look dumb. If anyone is really interested in this (not that this thread ever belonged here in the first place) then check here: http://www.clanbbf.com/viewtopic.php?t=49119&sid=930aeb8d5b7cadc6d9c2eb646c8 14545 msn convo: 05/03/2007 23:25:09 TheMexicanPirate ®(%)«Ρаяқзя»(%) ąĸą Τańк Fuck it, in bed. http://www.clanbbf.com/viewtopic.php?p=424183#424183 05/03/2007 23:25:09 ®(%)«Ρаяқзя»(%) ąĸą Τańк Fuck it, in bed. TheMexicanPirate I knew this would happen. 05/03/2007 23:25:12 TheMexicanPirate ®(%)«Ρаяқзя»(%) ąĸą Τańк Fuck it, in bed. np man 05/03/2007 23:25:12 ®(%)«Ρаяқзя»(%) ąĸą Τańк Fuck it, in bed. TheMexicanPirate Thanks. 05/03/2007 23:25:20 TheMexicanPirate ®(%)«Ρаяқзя»(%) ąĸą Τańк Fuck it, in bed. you need to be a bit more active on forums though 05/03/2007 23:25:28 TheMexicanPirate ®(%)«Ρаяқзя»(%) ąĸą Τańк Fuck it, in bed. things are picking up, we have new members 05/03/2007 23:25:35 ®(%)«Ρаяқзя»(%) ąĸą Τańк Fuck it, in bed. TheMexicanPirate I know, ivve been off renegade itself. 05/03/2007 23:25:37 ®(%)«Ρаяқзя»(%) ąĸą Τańк Fuck it, in bed. TheMexicanPirate For awhile now. 05/03/2007 23:25:40 ®(%)«Ρаяқзя»(%) ąĸą Τańк Fuck it, in bed. TheMexicanPirate But im back 05/03/2007 23:25:49 TheMexicanPirate ®(%)«Ρаяқзя»(%) ąĸą Τańк…
creator: MexPirate
date: 2007-03-12T20:32:24-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I hate MSN convo logs. <3 Messenger Plus! Live.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2007-03-12T20:40:41-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Everything he has there, is true. All of that is me, I admit i evaded myself from being banned, I didnt admit it. I was scared of the consequences. Now I have them I have to live with them.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T20:51:22-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I suppose now we can let it go now, hmm? I propose this be the end of the thread.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2007-03-12T20:56:46-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I think thats fair. I beleive I got what I needed off my chest- And if anyone would further like to discuss it, PM me and ill gladly talk to you. I think, If a mods present, he or she can lock the thread.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T20:59:47-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: cheekay77 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 14:59 I think, If a mods present, he or she can lock the thread.
creator: MexPirate
date: 2007-03-12T21:07:53-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Out of curiosity, which servers did you play in when you cheated on-line?
creator: reborn
date: 2007-03-12T21:15:56-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Old Skool Sniper, Jelly (but it was only a 24 hour ban) RenUnderground when they put up BIATCH. EKT. I THINK that was it.
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T21:16:58-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I'm not going to flame you because you cheated. However I will flame you for saying that if we the server owners don't give you a second chance (When they shouldn't, really if I cheated in your server would you let me back in) then you're just going to change your details. That's just wrong man. Seriously, you got caught cheating, live with it. Don't just throw a strop because you're banned. The thing I'm trying to explain is, we the server owners, believe it or not actually PAY to run these servers and if we choose to ban you for any reason whatsoever then thats our right. Why don't you just be the king of your own castle and buy your own damn server. At least you can cheat as much as you want.
creator: Caveman
date: 2007-03-12T21:21:18-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Caveman wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 16:21 I'm not going to flame you because you cheated. However I will flame you for saying that if we the server owners don't give you a second chance (When they shouldn't, really if I cheated in your server would you let me back in) then you're just going to change your details. That's just wrong man. Seriously, you got caught cheating, live with it. Don't just throw a strop because you're banned. The thing I'm trying to explain is, we the server owners, believe it or not actually PAY to run these servers and if we choose to ban you for any reason whatsoever then thats our right. Why don't you just be the king of your own castle and buy your own damn server. At least you can cheat as much as you want. Im not fussing over the fact im banned.... Havent i alerady said that?
creator: Renerage
date: 2007-03-12T21:25:04-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: cheekay77 wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 15:25 Caveman wrote on Mon, 12 March 2007 16:21 I'm not going to flame you because you cheated. However I will flame you for saying that if we the server owners don't give you a second chance (When they shouldn't, really if I cheated in your server would you let me back in) then you're just going to change your details. That's just wrong man. Seriously, you got caught cheating, live with it. Don't just throw a strop because you're banned. The thing I'm trying to explain is, we the server owners, believe it or not actually PAY to run these servers and if we choose to ban you for any reason whatsoever then thats our right. Why don't you just be the king of your own castle and buy your own damn server. At least you can cheat as much as you want. Im not fussing over the fact im banned.... Havent i alerady said that? If that was the case why are you saying you're going to change your details? Dude be a man. Leave your details how they are. Join a server if you happened to be banned then move on. Do this untill you find a server where you're not banned. If you're really sorry about it you'll tell the admin of that server that you're a past cheater but you've changed your ways. Atleast then if S/he finds out it wont come as such a suprise.
creator: Caveman
date: 2007-03-12T21:31:48-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Caveman, read the rest of the thread before you respond. He already decided that he's going to own up and stick with his nickname and deal with the consequences.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2007-03-12T21:35:06-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: Sorry I read the first two papers and skimmed through the 3rd. I'll read it properly next time. My apologizes.
creator: Caveman
date: 2007-03-12T21:40:51-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: I had alot of respect for you ingame.I rly dont care about your apology or confession,YOUR A DUMB SHIT!!!.
creator: superj69
date: 2007-03-13T04:53:41-00:00

Re: Confession of a Sinner.
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description: By request from the thread-starter, this has been locked.
creator: icedog90
date: 2007-03-13T06:02:14-00:00