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I hope you don’t mind me venting. For months I’ve known my current job was ending at the end of January. I’m a temp hire who has been here for almost 2 years. My boss has been trying to get an extra person approved in the company all this time to hire me on. So all this time he has been able to keep extending my contract but just a few months ago corporate announced that temp workers can only work 9 months straight then have to be hired on or find a new job then return. My boss says I do an excellent job and would love to hire me on but theirs a snag. We have a slacker in our department. Guy doesn’t do his job. Hell half his job I’ve been given since he complains that he is to busy. I do my work plus his and still have enough time to chat on the forums lol. If he would sit in his seat more than half the day he probably could get some work done. Instead he visits several people all day chatting. The department I work in is Telecommunications. I’m the operator for all incoming calls and I give the work out to where it should go. Everyone pulls their weight and will help another out of needed all but this guy. I get complaints constantly about him not following up or doing his job. That’s why some of his responsibilities are now mine to keep from the department having complaints. I told my boss today why don’t you just fire his ass and give me his work. I can do mine plus his then you have your headcount and don’t have to get another one approved. Well turns out they just did. They fired him today. So why am I pissed off, you would think I’d be happy. In order for my boss to hire me he has to be approved to hire on 2 employees. First one he has to hire before me is a minority. See now he is fired and he was black we no longer have a minority in our department. Since I’m white they can’t hire me on. My boss said even if I get a new job once they hire a minority then he wants me back. Now don’t you dare label me as a bigot since I’m pissed off to no end. Whatever happened to be hired for your works and not your skin color or sex? My boss said my hands are tied I can’t hire you till we hire a minority first. I love my country but this isn’t right. What about fairness for those who work their ass off? What about being color deaf and sex deaf and just treating people as people? Diversity my ass. If this is considered fair they can take diversity and shove it up their ass.
For fuck's sake. I hate affirmative action. It's really a big farce. All it does is creates a "reverse" inequality. Instead of the white man putting the black man down, they slap the white man. Whatever happened to equality of opportunity? Now we're slapped in the face with equality of outcome. It's complete and utter bullshit, and I certainly don't view you as a bigot. I am SO happy that Michigan passed Proposition 2 to ban Affirmative Action programs. If you want equality in the workplace, hire those based on credentials, not race. It's quite a simple concept, really.
Hear hear. While I agree with what Affirmative Action trys to accomplish, disregarding qualifications for the sake of minority accomidations does not work in actual practice.
DISCRIMINATION!
Prop 2 ftw! Anyways, yes it's ridiculous. Currently they are trying to find ways around the prop 2 in our state though. It's been over 3 generations, the crutch is unneeded now.
I've never done this before till now. Seeing how the real world is. Yeah i knew it but i wasn't slapped in the face with it til now. I walk around work looking at the different departments and wonder. Did you get your job because you were better than the other applicants or because of your a minority and they needed to fill a quota.
If you can get the endorsement of your boss (saying that he wants to hire you but cannot) then I would contact HR and threaten to sue for discrimination. The only way to make a difference in this world is to step up to the plate and swing.
ya thats a shit way of hiring.....hope you get in there and it works out OR you find a better job.
One of the higher courts would prolly say they can't because of the non-discriminating principle. Then again: it would prolly take them several months/years to get to tha conclusion.
I won't fight my work. Right now if they can get me into a different position then fine. What this does do though is it gets me very interested in politics and writing. In Michigan they over turned this. I know Gbull talked about it but i have friends who live there telling me the same thing. I think its time all states reject this.
Race Relations Act, Sex Discrimination Act. "No individual shall be disadvantaged or looked upon less favourably due to race, colour, creed, sex, sexual orientation, age." Im afraid that has not happened in Darks case. Take it to an Industrial Tribunal and I am sure that if you inform your Line Manager of your intentions, you may see an immediate back down from Management.
Darkknight wrote on Fri, 15 December 2006 07:09 I won't fight my work. Right now if they can get me into a different position then fine. What this does do though is it gets me very interested in politics and writing. In Michigan they over turned this. I know Gbull talked about it but i have friends who live there telling me the same thing. I think its time all states reject this. I said it, too... *points to his 'Location'*
j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 15 December 2006 08:15 Darkknight wrote on Fri, 15 December 2006 07:09 I won't fight my work. Right now if they can get me into a different position then fine. What this does do though is it gets me very interested in politics and writing. In Michigan they over turned this. I know Gbull talked about it but i have friends who live there telling me the same thing. I think its time all states reject this. I said it, too... *points to his 'Location'* Yup. I think I'll be googling at work today. I'm curious to know how they got that over turned. I'm friends with a woman here at work who is black. I told her what’s going on. She is pissed off about it because it makes her look bad. She was saying makes people look at me and think did I get my job cause I’m black or because I know my job.
It wasn't really "overturned". The Affirmative Action plans were banned. Right now they're trying to overturn the amendment. Nobody but Detroit and the surrounding area wanted to keep Affirmative Action plans legal, so we banned it in a pretty nice margin. I love Proposition 2.
Its happened here in Strathclyde, Scotland. One of the biggest regions as opposed to a city. Strathclyde Fire and Rescue have been told that we must recruit more ethnics and females. Thats all fine and well, but they have discriminated against all, straight, white, males. Its now at the stage, that being white in Strathclyde is to be in the minority. It has to stop and this can only be achieved by taking them to court and making a legal stance against discrimination. So, Dark, take them the whole road.
"A case in point: How many female firefighters are there in comparison to the number of total firefighters worldwide and female percent of the total population? Woman can't do the job as well as men or for as long as men. They can do the EMS, cleaning, cooking and rig checks as well men; but they don't fair as well carrying the heavy equipment, tear-down poles, operating the heavy extracation equipment or carrying victims out of a building as well as a man can. FACT: Most 45 year old, out of shape males can still lift and carry more weight than most in shape 45 year old females. Differences in the genders are responsible for the disparity in this profession. It's not sexism at all. If you can pass the test, you get the job. Most women can't pass the test - it's just that simple. I submit this opinion: Survey results would show that most Americans would feel safer knowing that a MALE firefigher was carrying them out of a burning building as opposed to a woman." That's my aunt's opinion on the issue. I can't say I disagree.
I had an interview last week in another department. Just got an offer for full time hire with them. Coincidence? Who knows but I’m taking it. Need to keep a roof over my head and food on the table. That’s my number one priority.
Well, now you won't have to worry about that situation. Does this new department pay more? If it does, there's no reason why you should feel guilty. You were being screwed, and you caught a break elsewhere. Count yourself lucky.
j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 15 December 2006 11:16 Well, now you won't have to worry about that situation. Does this new department pay more? If it does, there's no reason why you should feel guilty. You were being screwed, and you caught a break elsewhere. Count yourself lucky. pays $1 less but its full time hire and this company has better benefits than any place i've ever worked for so the loss in pay isnt a big deal to me. Plus i love the hours.
Then you definitely caught a break. Take advantage of it. Plus, you really don't want to be caught up in all of this racial/affirmative action bullshit. You obviously don't care about the cut in pay, so rejoice and be happy.
j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 15 December 2006 12:27 Then you definitely caught a break. Take advantage of it. Plus, you really don't want to be caught up in all of this racial/affirmative action bullshit. You obviously don't care about the cut in pay, so rejoice and be happy. Trust me I'm very happy.
Congratulations for working it out.
Crimson wrote on Fri, 15 December 2006 13:51 Congratulations for working it out. thank you now i need to work on getting a game room in here lol
Great result Dark. Especially with Christmas upon us. Tis the season to rejoice afterall. See you back in UN to kick some asse. Off topic for BAL, I agree with your sentiments. There is only one female fire-fighter that I have had in my Watch, that can do the job. 6'2", skinny and blonde. The rest have been a waste of space for reasons that you covered. If they can do the job, accept them, if they cant......self explanatory. Show no exceptions to the rule, discriminate against no-one. Positive discrimination allows a female to work in a female toilet, male in a male toilet. Thats the only time discrimination must be used. Back to Dark, sorry for hijacking
so...wouldn't that mean that there should be toilets for: black woman; black men; white woman; and white men. ???
It sounds like they just tried to shut you up. If you don't do something about it, yeah ... you're fine for now ... but then the next guy has to worry about it. I'm not trying to egg you on, because I completely understand your situation and I'm happy for you. But the line has to be drawn somewhere, and if white people keep "tolerating" this kind of bullshit, its not going to get any better. As for what PuddleSplasher said: "No individual shall be disadvantaged or looked upon less favourably due to race, colour, creed, sex, sexual orientation, age." He was being put at a disadvantage of not getting a job that he was more qualified for because of his race/color. The reason I screamed "DISCRIMINATION!" in my first post in this thread is, because all Affirmative Action is, is discriminating the discriminators. Two wrongs don't make a right. And to add on that, I honestly think that most people would agree (and even find statistics to back this up) that more blacks discriminate whites than whites discriminate blacks. I was walking down the street with my fiancee about a month ago when an older black man ... who looked kinda shady (not because of his color, but because of the fact that he wasn't shaven and has a strange demeanor to him) started following us. I just blew it off and kept walking. But he continued to walk faster and chase up with us - so finally I told my fiancee that he could be trouble so slow down a bit and walk ahead of me in case he tries to pull some crap. When he caught up to us he was like "can I get a jump" (apparently for his car) and I told him that I was nowhere near my home or vehicle and that I couldn't help him. His response? A very agressive "Why are all you crackers around here so damn racist?!". Which is pretty damn racist in itself. I think the discrimination problem has turned on the "working, able-bodied white man" and since we are numerically inferior these days not a damn things is being done about it. That is why I am so adamant about dealing with these kinds of things as they happen...
fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 16 December 2006 17:49 It sounds like they just tried to shut you up. If you don't do something about it, yeah ... you're fine for now ... but then the next guy has to worry about it. I'm not trying to egg you on, because I completely understand your situation and I'm happy for you. But the line has to be drawn somewhere, and if white people keep "tolerating" this kind of bullshit, its not going to get any better. I do agree with you but i have to keep working. In the meantime i can get more involved in other things than just playing games online or sitting at home watching the stupid tube. I also am looking into starting my own business.
Im confused you guys are confusing and discrimination and sexual harrasment is wrong!
gamemodding wrote on Sat, 16 December 2006 16:04 so...wouldn't that mean that there should be toilets for: black woman; black men; white woman; and white men. ??? NO!!!!!!! There is no difference in a female anatomy wether she is black, white etc. Same for men. Therefore it makes no sense, nor is it logical to have the same coloured attendant for every colour of people. By the sounds of it you might prefer to have everyone use their own areas. Imagine going into a shop, looking for an assistant to ring up your purchase, not stopping until you get an assistant of your own race and colour. How many assistants are now needed. Separate checkouts etc. YOU MY FRIEND probably are the RACIST. We are merely trying to understand and prevent the racial abuse that follows. Sorry Dark, again for the hi-jack. Perhaps this is one for another topic. Should we tolerate Discrimination. See you back in our server.
erm, he was giving an example
puddle_splasher wrote on Sun, 17 December 2006 11:06 gamemodding wrote on Sat, 16 December 2006 16:04 so...wouldn't that mean that there should be toilets for: black woman; black men; white woman; and white men. ??? NO!!!!!!! There is no difference in a female anatomy wether she is black, white etc. Same for men. Therefore it makes no sense, nor is it logical to have the same coloured attendant for every colour of people. By the sounds of it you might prefer to have everyone use their own areas. Imagine going into a shop, looking for an assistant to ring up your purchase, not stopping until you get an assistant of your own race and colour. How many assistants are now needed. Separate checkouts etc. YOU MY FRIEND probably are the RACIST. We are merely trying to understand and prevent the racial abuse that follows. 1) i am not racist...i just don't like people moving to this country and claming benefits etc. 2) i would like to see the proof of this claim. this is what pisses me off, as Nightma12 said "he was giving an example" because of what YOU said "Positive discrimination allows a female to work in a female toilet, male in a male toilet."
Thats proper law. I see no wrong in a situation like that. Thats why its called (in the UK) Positive discrimination. It only defines that if there is a job that needs filled specifically by male or female, then it grants a right to the employer to fullfill their obligation by selecting male/female respectively. I too have only given an example. But in the UK this is LAW. Imagine a family member in a nursing home. Who would you prefer washes and cleans your Mums body in the shower and bath? A man? certainly not for me, thats undignified. Now this is where Positive discrimination takes place.
well, i gotter admit that yes, i am racist. but, only to certain people. i hate people that come to this country and settle. reason? 1) they think they own the place. 2) they think they have the right to discriminate english people. 3) they cripple the ecomamy. 4) they set up market stalls selling ilegal/broken or poor goods.
gamemodding wrote on Sun, 17 December 2006 12:10 well, i gotter admit that yes, i am racist. but, only to certain people. i hate people that come to this country and settle. People that "come to this country and settle" aren't a race. This just makes you a bigoted moron, not racist. Relax! Quote: 1) they think they own the place. 2) they think they have the right to discriminate english people. 3) they cripple the ecomamy. 4) they set up market stalls selling ilegal/broken or poor goods. the logic fairy wrote: The fallacy of accident / Sweeping generalization / Dicto simpliciter A sweeping generalization occurs when a general rule is applied to a particular situation, but the features of that particular situation mean the rule is inapplicable. It's the error made when you go from the general to the specific. For example: "Christians generally dislike atheists. You are a Christian, so you must dislike atheists." This fallacy is often committed by people who try to decide moral and legal questions by mechanically applying general rules.
the reason i would consider it racist is because i would see someone with a distinct accent. and immidiatly judge them because of that. and not only that, the list can apply to british born people who have had parents/ancesters that were born in other countrys example: everysingle girl in our school that is "black" seems to think they are best at everything, they are always right and think they have the right to "bully" anyone who dis-aggrees with them. i could be a hipocrit for saying this but i do stereotype "blacks", this is the reasult of being stereotyped as a teenager.
You realize that you can have a different accent and still be *gasp* the same race, right? It just means you're prejudice... not racist. "I DONT LIKE SUTHERNERZ SO IM A RACIST LOLOLOL"...
i ment accent refeing to "my ISPs tech phone line"
gamemodding wrote on Sun, 17 December 2006 20:24 and not only that, the list can apply to british born people who have had parents/ancesters that were born in other countrys example: everysingle girl in our school that is "black" seems to think they are best at everything, they are always right and think they have the right to "bully" anyone who dis-aggrees with them. Hey guys, I had an experience with a minority so all of the aforementioned minority is just like that. gamemodding wrote on Sun, 17 December 2006 20:24 i could be a hipocrit for saying this but i do stereotype "blacks", this is the reasult of being stereotyped as a teenager. I think that's just a result of you being stupid.
I am *EXTREMELY* discriminate against TYPES of people. I would argue that many people are. So if one race identifies with one of these traits a lot more than another, that makes me dislike them more than the other. Another point, while I'm on the subject: if you look at crime statistics, education statistics, etc. and look at the actual facts - you will notice well-defined differences between a few ethnicities. Hell, when you look at any official crime statistic they break it down by race. Why would they bother doing that if there wasn't such a difference? This just goes to show that some races are more STEREOTYPICALLY not as intelligent, more likely to comit crime, and more susceptible to certain illnesses. Though this does not mean that ALL persons of this ethnicity are going to fit this stereotype ... it does prove (by facts and history) that people have a valid reason to look at them differently because of their race. To get to the point, I have had numerous black friends throughout my life. Not only did I grow up in the south burbs of Chicago where I (white people) was the minority, but I have served in the U.S. military where there is a very diverse spread of cultures. The reason I chose to be friends with the person who was black was the same reason I would be friends with anyone of any other race. However, generally speaking, I do not care for black people. Does that make me a racist? Or does that mean that I have come to a realization that "they" are more likely to comit a crime ... that they have illnesses that most humans do not have (such as sickle cell anemia) ... and that they are usually less intelligent? No - I do not think that makes me racist at all. --If you are lazy, its your fault (because you choose to be). --If you do not speak properly, its your fault (because you choose to speak like an idiot) --If you don't make something of yourself and spend your life in the ghetto, its your fault (because you didn't pick yourself up) --If you have 10 kids and can't support them, its your fault (because you're ignorant and selfish and have no responsibility) If "racism" and its many faces of discrimination are going to change in this world ... we need to look past the "color" and see the source of the problem which is ultimately people fucking themselves over with poor decisions. My conclusion (in relation to the topic)? Affirmative action *IS* discrimination and should not be tolerated. If a black person is more qualified ... give the damn job to them. If a hispanic is willing to work for less, fuck the white boy who thinks he's too good for that - because he's too lazy to accept such a humbling job. But regardless, when qualified candidates DO want to work and cannot ... that is blatant racism; and for the last 10 years or so it has come alive in the form of affirmative action and turned around on able-bodied white folks. And quite frankly, I'm fed up.
gaymodding - you are a fucking moron. Xptek pretty much covered what needed to be said why not think about what you are saying before spouting retarded bullshit eh? Our health service would be completely fucked if it wasn't for asian doctors, just to give one example of how the people coming in to our country support it.
oh and btw, you try and talk to the UK based part of BT's callcentre - unless you want to speak to sales you will wait up to 100 minutes (as I did), then try ringing the indian support centre the phone will most likely be picked up within a few rings and the person on the other end of the phone will actually know what a PC is. If only they were able to deal with all aspects of BT's incompetence.
fl00d3d wrote on Mon, 18 December 2006 00:49 Or does that mean that I have come to a realization that "they" are more likely to comit a crime Just remember that poverty creates crime, not race. Quote: that they have illnesses that most humans do not have (such as sickle cell anemia) Uh, sickle-cell can occur in any race. Quote: and that they are usually less intelligent? Do you have anything to back that up? Quote: No - I do not think that makes me racist at all. Nah, just makes you a bigoted and misinformed moron like gamemodding.
Uhh... since when does race make someone more likely to commit a crime? If you look at a city like Detroit and see that it's mostly black, and you see that it has a MUCH higher crime rate than a white community, you're not mistaken to assume that blacks DO commit more crimes, but it's all about the environment. Blacks, as opposed to whites, live in poverty stricken areas more than whites do. I think it may be safe to say that blacks, in general, want more things handed to them and won't work to better themselves, but it's not a product of their race. It's clearly the result of conditioning from generations past. However, I'm not relieving blame for their actions.. but they aren't directly related to their race. As for them being less intelligent... that's another product of their environment. A human is a human. Why are Asians better at math than Americans? Because of their culture. Why are more white people in corporate America? Because of their upbringing. The same goes for any race. It's not a product of their race, but a product of their environment. We all live in different environments, and we'll grow up differently because of that.
j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2006 08:49 As for them being less intelligent... that's another product of their environment. A human is a human. Why are Asians better at math than Americans? Because of their culture. Why are more white people in corporate America? Because of their upbringing. The same goes for any race. It's not a product of their race, but a product of their environment. We all live in different environments, and we'll grow up differently because of that. That bit I would disagree with, Black people on average are bigger built and faster runners than chinese for example - certain physical characteristics are influenced by race and intelligence of certain types can also be affected by race. No argument that culture, lifestyle and upbringing have a much larger effect though.
MexPirate wrote on Mon, 18 December 2006 10:20 j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 18 December 2006 08:49 As for them being less intelligent... that's another product of their environment. A human is a human. Why are Asians better at math than Americans? Because of their culture. Why are more white people in corporate America? Because of their upbringing. The same goes for any race. It's not a product of their race, but a product of their environment. We all live in different environments, and we'll grow up differently because of that. That bit I would disagree with, Black people on average are bigger built and faster runners than chinese for example - certain physical characteristics are influenced by race and intelligence of certain types can also be affected by race. No argument that culture, lifestyle and upbringing have a much larger effect though. Our brains are the same, though. It's just how you use it.
You guys should consider noone ever managed to give a definition of 'race'. For hitler it was three generations of Germans, but he didn't really build this on anything either.
xptek wrote on Mon, 18 December 2006 07:48 fl00d3d wrote on Mon, 18 December 2006 00:49 Or does that mean that I have come to a realization that "they" are more likely to comit a crime Just remember that poverty creates crime, not race. People comit the crimes. And I don't care how poor you are, that does not justify any violent crime. Go read the crime statistics for ANY U.S. city and you will find that african american crime statistics are significantly higher. Quote: that they have illnesses that most humans do not have (such as sickle cell anemia) Uh, sickle-cell can occur in any race. You're right, it can. But something like 95% of the people that have it are african american. Quote: and that they are usually less intelligent? Do you have anything to back that up? Literacy: http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=69 SAT Scores: http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171 Quote: No - I do not think that makes me racist at all. Nah, just makes you a bigoted and misinformed moron like gamemodding. I've proven my facts and shown intelligent discussion. You've only thrown personal opinions into this. So once you can address the issues above, you can talk to me on my level.
Did you also figure in the percentage of those crime rates that were committed by poverty-stricken individuals? Did you figure in the amount of students living in poverty with those scores? You can't just look at one variable and form an opinion when there are multiple variables to figure in.
I see my thread has developed into something else. I think everyone is leaving out an important fact. Why do blacks feel they need to have something handed to them? Why do they see the world still as racist, white against black? Why is crime so high in black neighborhoods? Is it cause their stupid? I don’t believe this is the case. How can you have 2 blacks from the same neighborhood, same poverty, same everything turn out so different. Ones in jail while the other has “made it” in the real world. What’s the difference? I say its mindset. It’s what you listen to. Have you ever heard you will become in five years like the ones you listen to today. Personally I think it’s the black leadership in this country. If racism were to disappear off the planet tomorrow Jessie Jackson and others like him would be out of a job. They promote racism and promote the idea that blacks are held down. Remember when Bill Cosby came out against the black leadership and was blaming them for the way blacks are today. Check out this article: http://www.townhall.com/columnists/LaShawnBarber/2006/10/02/corrupt_black_leader ship_and_culture_of_failure_impede_black_progress Here’s a quote from it: Poor blacks aren’t poor because of white racism; they are caught up in a culture of failure, and the current crop of black leaders helps perpetuate the cycle. I agree 100% with this article.
People comit the crimes. And I don't care how poor you are, that does not justify any violent crime. Go read the crime statistics for ANY U.S. city and you will find that african american crime statistics are significantly higher. Very good. Now let's consider why people commit crimes. Quite a few blacks live in poverty. Poverty equals higher crime rate. You're right, it can. But something like 95% of the people that have it are african american. Can you please back that up with something? Sickle cell was linked to African tribes where there were Malaria outbreaks in the past, and has more to do with Malaria than race. I also don't understand how you're using sickle cell to justify your bigotry. How does sickle cell affect negatively and how does it justify bigotry toward a group of people? Fucking AIDS patients. Literacy: http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=69 SAT Scores: http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=171 SAT scores are not a clear indicator of intelligence at all. Haha. Quote: I've proven my facts and shown intelligent discussion. You've only thrown personal opinions into this. So once you can address the issues above, you can talk to me on my level. One line out of that post was personal opinion. Nice try though. Fallacious arguments onward!
I'm not going to counter argue your post because you didn't prove a damn thing. If other people in this community feel I should, then I'll take their advice and continue to argue with you. Otherwise, I think I've proven myself quite well, kid.
"Hurr my arguments to support bigotry are obviously flawed so I'm going to resort to personal insults." Silly veterens these days.
puddle_splasher wrote on Sun, 17 December 2006 05:06 There is no difference in a female anatomy wether she is black, white etc. Same for men. I dunno, I could probably show you some videos which would change your mind on that.
fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 01:26 I'm not going to counter argue your post because you didn't prove a damn thing. If other people in this community feel I should, then I'll take their advice and continue to argue with you. Otherwise, I think I've proven myself quite well, kid. All you proved was that blacks commit more crimes. You proved no correlation between the race and crime. Like I said, you only looked at one variable. Environment effects the outcome of people GREATLY. If you take a black person from a rich family and a black person from a poor family, they're not each as likely to commit a crime. It's not genetics, it's environment.
I've lived in situations as a child that most black people don't have to go through anymore. Gunshots flying over my head on my way to school .... intersections where people do not stop .... and trainstations where the train refuses to stop. And I pulled out of that without talking ebonics, wearing clothes that fall past my ass, and thinking I'm a thug that "no one understands". I'm living proof that black people are straight up fucking whiners and will blame anyone but themselves for the problems they have in their life.
j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 09:50 fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 01:26 I'm not going to counter argue your post because you didn't prove a damn thing. If other people in this community feel I should, then I'll take their advice and continue to argue with you. Otherwise, I think I've proven myself quite well, kid. All you proved was that blacks commit more crimes. You proved no correlation between the race and crime. Like I said, you only looked at one variable. Environment effects the outcome of people GREATLY. If you take a black person from a rich family and a black person from a poor family, they're not each as likely to commit a crime. It's not genetics, it's environment. If the black person comes from a rich family, then their parents were driven, educated, and moral enough to pull their heritage out of a rut and bring their children up properly so that they are less likely to comit the crimes. You can argue that poverty causes crime but when was the last time you saw someone murder someone to feed their family? Or mug someone so they could pay the rent? Crimes (mostly violent crime) are almost always comitted for selfish reasons. "Guns don't kill people. People kill people."
fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:04 j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 09:50 fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 01:26 I'm not going to counter argue your post because you didn't prove a damn thing. If other people in this community feel I should, then I'll take their advice and continue to argue with you. Otherwise, I think I've proven myself quite well, kid. All you proved was that blacks commit more crimes. You proved no correlation between the race and crime. Like I said, you only looked at one variable. Environment effects the outcome of people GREATLY. If you take a black person from a rich family and a black person from a poor family, they're not each as likely to commit a crime. It's not genetics, it's environment. If the black person comes from a rich family, then their parents were driven, educated, and moral enough to pull their heritage out of a rut and bring their children up properly so that they are less likely to comit the crimes. You can argue that poverty causes crime but when was the last time you saw someone murder someone to feed their family? Or mug someone so they could pay the rent? Crimes (mostly violent crime) are almost always comitted for selfish reasons. "Guns don't kill people. People kill people." That doesn't prove anything you're saying, though. That doesn't prove that blacks are more likely to commit crimes. All you said was that people are selfish and will commit crimes for personal gain. Whites, Asians, Africans, Blacks, etc... all commit the same crimes and for the same reasons. If you were to takes whites out of their middle class lifestyles and put them into poverty... after a generation or two, you would see the same crime rates in whites as you would blacks. Or if you trade children. Give white families black babies and give black families white babies, and have each raise the kids as they would their own. You cannot tell me that the black babies would still grow up thugs and the white babies would grow up respectable people. THEREFORE, it's the environment that causes the crime rates to be higher in black communities than in white communities. Edit: You said that you didn't turn out a criminal, who's to say that others wouldn't? An exception to a rule doesn't discredit the rule.
Dude, look at the fucking FACTS. And if you want to say that its part of their environment, then why the hell are they in that environment in the first place? Because they don't have a choice? If they're just as equal ... if they're just as intelligent ... if they're just as crime-prone .... then why are they in the situation that white people are not? I'll tell you why: because most of them don't put the right foot forward and make steps to pull themselves out of that lifestyle. They have the same rights and opportunity (if not more, as proven by the initiation of this thread) yet they find themselves in situations that many white people do not. It is NOT because of their surroundings. People make up their surroundings through choices and they have had their chances to pull themselves out of their "slavery days". They just continue to pass down their poor work ethic, poor communication skills, illnesses, etc. and make the problem worse. Infecting others as they ignorantly refuse to improve themselves. A.I.D.S. need I say more?
... I did look at the facts, and I also realized that they only look at one fucking variable. I don't know how many times I have to say that. Also, I'm not excusing their lack of ambition. It's entirely their fault, but you want to make it seem like it's hardwired into black people like it's part of their genetics. It's their environment's fault. There are plenty of black people who realize that living in a shitty house in a shitty community is not what someone should allow themselves to do. There are also a lot of white people who feel that everything should be handed to them, and then they end up in those shitty communities. There's always going to be an exception to a rule. However, the general and OBVIOUS conclusion is that how you're raised is how you're going to view things in life. If you're not taught to live respectably and give others respect, chances are you're going to live like shit and treat others like shit. A + B = C; A != C; B != C. When there are more than one variables to the problem, you can't just look at one to get the solution.
Alright, well ... let me put it this way: I have very strong views about "Survival of the fittest" and I personally feel that all people are not created equally. That's my opinion and I'll leave it at that so the actual topic can move forward.
Alright, well ... let me put it this way: Holy shit you're retarded. fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:34 A.I.D.S. need I say more? Actually, yeah. Can you say a little more here?
xptek wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:10 Alright, well ... let me put it this way: Holy shit you're retarded. fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:34 A.I.D.S. need I say more? Actually, yeah. Can you say a little more here? Actually it would be nice if you actually said something other than quoting someone else and giving one line rebutals. Everyone else has written up how they actually feel on the subject. you have yet to actually write anything worth reading about.
Darkknight wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 16:23 xptek wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:10 Alright, well ... let me put it this way: Holy shit you're retarded. fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:34 A.I.D.S. need I say more? Actually, yeah. Can you say a little more here? Actually it would be nice if you actually said something other than quoting someone else and giving one line rebutals. Everyone else has written up how they actually feel on the subject. you have yet to actually write anything worth reading about. I'm asking him to elaborate on his retarded AIDS comment and already posted my opinions above.
xptek wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 18:12 Darkknight wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 16:23 xptek wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:10 Alright, well ... let me put it this way: Holy shit you're retarded. fl00d3d wrote on Tue, 19 December 2006 14:34 A.I.D.S. need I say more? Actually, yeah. Can you say a little more here? Actually it would be nice if you actually said something other than quoting someone else and giving one line rebutals. Everyone else has written up how they actually feel on the subject. you have yet to actually write anything worth reading about. I'm asking him to elaborate on his retarded AIDS comment and already posted my opinions above. ok well maybe it was in a different thread cause it sure isnt in this one. i went back and checked all your posts and their all except for one, one line sentences egging him on. you have yet to actually put together any thoughts on anything. every post of yours is just a one line short sentence to try and piss someone off. Would be nice to read your thoughts on this whole issue and have it be more than just quoting someone else with one line quips. Whether you agree or not with what flood says atleast he has the balls to talk about it. Is it possible for you to actually put together a half page or even quarter page thought of your own without quoting someone else on how you feel about this whole topic?
Nature vs. Nurture, Round 3204972156587 FIGHT!
Darkknight wrote on Wed, 20 December 2006 00:19 Is it possible for you to actually put together a half page or even quarter page thought of your own without quoting someone else on how you feel about this whole topic? Sure. I feel racism is completely archaic and that fl00d3d is trying to back up his blatantly racist comments with fake "facts" that have nothing to do with race. On the other hand, I feel affirmative action is bullshit and this country has some idea that racism against whites is okay/can't happen. In a nutshell: Racism is retarded, and fl00d3d or anyone else still needs to show something that's "bad" about another race if they want to justify their actions. Thought that would be pretty obvious from my previous posts, but oh well.
xptek wrote on Wed, 20 December 2006 11:57 Darkknight wrote on Wed, 20 December 2006 00:19 Is it possible for you to actually put together a half page or even quarter page thought of your own without quoting someone else on how you feel about this whole topic? Sure. I feel racism is completely archaic and that fl00d3d is trying to back up his blatantly racist comments with fake "facts" that have nothing to do with race. On the other hand, I feel affirmative action is bullshit and this country has some idea that racism against whites is okay/can't happen. In a nutshell: Racism is retarded, and fl00d3d or anyone else still needs to show something that's "bad" about another race if they want to justify their actions. Thought that would be pretty obvious from my previous posts, but oh well. Thank you. Actually I agree with flood and j_ball . They both have valid points just different outlooks on them. I do believe that crime is higher among minorities but I do not believe it’s because of their skin color. Its what they are being taught day in and day out. They article I posted earlier goes into that.
lol skin color does not make someone comit a crime, and that is not what I was saying at all. Some people just read into it way too much. But like I did say, all men are NOT created equally. Some are stronger, some are more more intelligent, some are less susceptible to illnesses, etc. So when talking about discrimination I feel its fair to say that the argument of "we're all created equal" is complete bullshit -- because many white folks deserve jobs or entrace to university that have been filled by "Affirmative Action" racism. As for the AIDS comment? I'm pretty sure that epidemic wasn't started by a white man or anyone of "european decent" if you catch my meaning. If you don't catch my meaning ... then I suggest you research history and U.S. statistics a little more.
fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 00:39 lol skin color does not make someone comit a crime, and that is not what I was saying at all. Some people just read into it way too much. Then why do you factor this into your dislike of blacks? fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 00:39 But like I did say, all men are NOT created equally. Some are stronger, some are more more intelligent, some are less susceptible to illnesses, etc. So when talking about discrimination I feel its fair to say that the argument of "we're all created equal" is complete bullshit -- because many white folks deserve jobs or entrace to university that have been filled by "Affirmative Action" racism. That's really determined by the individual rather than race. That's why your whole argument "against" blacks makes no sense. None of this has anything to do with race and has more to do with that fact that we're all human and all have faults. fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 00:39 As for the AIDS comment? I'm pretty sure that epidemic wasn't started by a white man or anyone of "european decent" if you catch my meaning. If you don't catch my meaning ... then I suggest you research history and U.S. statistics a little more. Why does it matter what skin color the person who originally had AIDS had? Seriously. If the person who originally contracted AIDS was white would you believe that white people are somehow inferior? Oh, fun fact, the third known case of HIV was in a Norwegian sailor[x].
fl00d3d lol skin color does not make someone comit a crime, and that is not what I was saying at all. Some people just read into it way too much. Then why were you arguing with me and xptek? Also, as xptek said, don't put it in a list of reasons why you dislike blacks if you know it's not because of their skin color... fl00d3d But like I did say, all men are NOT created equally. Some are stronger, some are more more intelligent, some are less susceptible to illnesses, etc. So when talking about discrimination I feel its fair to say that the argument of "we're all created equal" is complete bullshit -- because many white folks deserve jobs or entrace to university that have been filled by "Affirmative Action" racism. Umm... we're all equally human. We all deserve the basic civil rights. Anybody who think that every person is equally strong, equally intelligent is sadly mistaken. However, we are all created the same as humans. Just because someone is is black or white, dumb or smart doesn't make them any more or any less of a human. Note: I'm not saying that you think they're any less human... fl00d3d As for the AIDS comment? I'm pretty sure that epidemic wasn't started by a white man or anyone of "european decent" if you catch my meaning. If you don't catch my meaning ... then I suggest you research history and U.S. statistics a little more. What about the Bubonic Plague? Were white people a disgrace then because of it? Should they have been discriminated against? How about SARS? How should we view Chinese people?
i would like to add on to my original post but I'm afraid with the twist to this one it would be lost. I think I'll start a new topic and let you all fight it out
I honestly think that crime is directly correlated with a fatherly figure, not with race. This would support j_ball's theory of environment. I have no clue where any proof of this would be, other than I heard in a speech once that something over 70% of all people in prison were without a father growing up. It's all our "I don't give a shit" society, and people that don't take responsibility for their actions. To be honest, the moral fiber of our current society is disgusting to think about. I consider myself lucky that my father has been here my entire life. But I digress.
xptek wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 01:42 fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 00:39 lol skin color does not make someone comit a crime, and that is not what I was saying at all. Some people just read into it way too much. Then why do you factor this into your dislike of blacks? Because their ethnicity has been PROVEN to have a higher crime rate, less intelligence, and are a downright NEGATIVE WEIGHT on the shoulders of American society. fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 00:39 But like I did say, all men are NOT created equally. Some are stronger, some are more more intelligent, some are less susceptible to illnesses, etc. So when talking about discrimination I feel its fair to say that the argument of "we're all created equal" is complete bullshit -- because many white folks deserve jobs or entrace to university that have been filled by "Affirmative Action" racism. That's really determined by the individual rather than race. Wrong! That's why your whole argument "against" blacks makes no sense. None of this has anything to do with race and has more to do with that fact that we're all human and all have faults. And some have more faults than others and are a burden on society. fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 21 December 2006 00:39 As for the AIDS comment? I'm pretty sure that epidemic wasn't started by a white man or anyone of "european decent" if you catch my meaning. If you don't catch my meaning ... then I suggest you research history and U.S. statistics a little more. Why does it matter what skin color the person who originally had AIDS had? Seriously. If the person who originally contracted AIDS was white would you believe that white people are somehow inferior? Um, because they started the epidemic by having butt seckz with monkeys? Seriously, though -- its a worldwide epidemic that plagues our entire species because of ONE RACE. You cannot compare things like the plague and SARS with it because that is a localized outbreak - not a worldwide epidemic started by a single ethnicity. It is still, to this day, going on as a world wide problem -- and it still, to this day, affects more blacks than all other ethnicities combined. Oh, fun fact, the third known case of HIV was in a Norwegian sailor[x]. I'd trust the CDC more than that site. And even if that were true - I feel sorry for the moronic norwegian who fucked a HIV infected negro. What a twit. Good riddance.
It would be nice if you could back up some of these "facts" with actual data. Sigh. Edit: Also, do you have some reason you won't trust the British Medic Journal or something? Edit edit: Just wanted to comment on a few more things. fl00d3d lol skin color does not make someone comit a crime, and that is not what I was saying at all. Some people just read into it way too much. fl00d3d Because their ethnicity has been PROVEN to have a higher crime rate, less intelligence, and are a downright NEGATIVE WEIGHT on the shoulders of American society. Which one is it? You seem to be completely contradicting yourself here. You're saying that ethnicity does not make someone commit a crime yet ethnicity is responsible for high crime rates and is therefore a "negative weight" on American society? That really doesn't make sense. fl00d3d its a worldwide epidemic that plagues our entire species because of ONE RACE. You do realize this is completely irrelevant when discussing AIDS, right? Every race is affected by AIDS. The same thing would have happened had Europeans first contracted the virus. fl00d3d You cannot compare things like the plague and SARS with it because that is a localized outbreak Yeah, that seems pretty localized. fl00d3d not a worldwide epidemic started by a single ethnicity. Widespread illness is generally started by a bacteria/virus. Not an ethnic group.
fl00d3d, stop with your mindless drivel. You continue to contradict yourself, and really are showing your ignorance. Oh, as for the Black Death being localized... "The Black Death, or Black Plague, was a devastating pandemic that began in south-western Asia and spread to Europe." I got that from Wikipedia, unless you're not going to trust THAT source, as well? You're going to argue that it was localized because it was still such a small amount of distance it covered, but also remember that it was the 14th century and that was pretty much the entire known world. Just think if they had the same methods of transportation that we have today.
j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 22 December 2006 08:01 I got that from Wikipedia, unless you're not going to trust THAT source, as well? STOP RIGHT THERE!!!!! THATS THE SAME AS WHEN I SAY "GOOGLE IT"!!! I know what it says,I understand my interpretation and that of others. Yet you guys always say prove it, other than Google. So do it!! We all, always interpret things as we want to see it, regardless of what we are taught. That is life, get over it. Nobody will ever agree, if discrimination is correct. All I know is "There is no black in "The Union Jack"........courtesy of the BNP. Queen + Country, God Bless Her.
puddle_splasher wrote on Fri, 22 December 2006 15:32 j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 22 December 2006 08:01 I got that from Wikipedia, unless you're not going to trust THAT source, as well? STOP RIGHT THERE!!!!! THATS THE SAME AS WHEN I SAY "GOOGLE IT"!!! I know what it says,I understand my interpretation and that of others. Yet you guys always say prove it, other than Google. So do it!! We all, always interpret things as we want to see it, regardless of what we are taught. That is life, get over it. Nobody will ever agree, if discrimination is correct. All I know is "There is no black in "The Union Jack"........courtesy of the BNP. Queen + Country, God Bless Her. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Black_Death There, you go. At least I sourced mine. I told exactly where I found it. I didn't pull that sentence out of my ass, and tell people to Google it. I cited my source. I may not have directly linked, but if you wanted to check Wikipedia, it would have been right there.
I give an opinion!! Based on many sources, thats what we call, life experience. On the other hand, YOU want us to believe only in what YOU say. TuT! TuT! All differences and sources aside. What do you really believe in your own heart, your own words, your feelings, sentiments? What do you really believe should be allowed? Discrimination or non-discrimination and why, in your own words, (100 words maximum)! Oh and please include why the 14th century is to believed, afterall, if I am correct, you can only really quote the last 5 years, as the other 10 were your childhood? For that you may have another 12 words such as... "I was not there" or "I know not what happened, but I believe in what I read" well open a newspaper and read a lot of bullsh*t. Do you believe that? Then why should we believe you?
puddle_splasher wrote on Fri, 22 December 2006 16:55 I give an opinion!! Based on many sources, thats what we call, life experience. On the other hand, YOU want us to believe only in what YOU say. TuT! TuT! All differences and sources aside. What do you really believe in your own heart, your own words, your feelings, sentiments? What do you really believe should be allowed? Discrimination or non-discrimination and why, in your own words, (100 words maximum)! Oh and please include why the 14th century is to believed, afterall, if I am correct, you can only really quote the last 5 years, as the other 10 were your childhood? For that you may have another 12 words such as... "I was not there" or "I know not what happened, but I believe in what I read" well open a newspaper and read a lot of bullsh*t. Do you believe that? Then why should we believe you? Personally, I think most black people are fucking idiots. They live in poverty and they don't want to better themselves. For that reason, they can go fuck themselves. They don't deserve a job any more than I do, and if they're as qualified as me, they don't deserve it any less. Especially not because of their skin color. The discrimination that they faced, they no longer face. I can understand Affirmative Action for those who were affected by racism back in the '60s, but generations have passed, and these fuckwits don't deserve anything because of discrimination that doesn't happen as widescale as it used to. They need to get over the idea that the white man is out to get them, and if they actually tried to better themselves, the white man may actually hire their ignorant asses. Look in every textbook and encyclopedia about the Black Plague/Death. You'll find that everything points to the 14th Century. If you don't believe that, then you're obviously someone who chooses to ignore the obvious. There were plenty records of the Black Plague that were salvaged and found. That's how we know those dates are correct. It's not exactly rocket science.
j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 22 December 2006 17:18 Personally, I think most black people are fucking idiots. They live in poverty and they don't want to better themselves. For that reason, they can go fuck themselves. They don't deserve a job any more than I do, and if they're as qualified as me, they don't deserve it any less. Especially not because of their skin color. The discrimination that they faced, they no longer face. I can understand Affirmative Action for those who were affected by racism back in the '60s, but generations have passed, and these fuckwits don't deserve anything because of discrimination that doesn't happen as widescale as it used to. They need to get over the idea that the white man is out to get them, and if they actually tried to better themselves, the white man may actually hire their ignorant asses.
You should probably address your false AIDS/crime statements if Jake's quote sums up your feelings on the subject. Just saying.
fl00d3d wrote on Fri, 22 December 2006 16:40 j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 22 December 2006 17:18 Personally, I think most black people are fucking idiots. They live in poverty and they don't want to better themselves. For that reason, they can go fuck themselves. They don't deserve a job any more than I do, and if they're as qualified as me, they don't deserve it any less. Especially not because of their skin color. The discrimination that they faced, they no longer face. I can understand Affirmative Action for those who were affected by racism back in the '60s, but generations have passed, and these fuckwits don't deserve anything because of discrimination that doesn't happen as widescale as it used to. They need to get over the idea that the white man is out to get them, and if they actually tried to better themselves, the white man may actually hire their ignorant asses. well said
Is it ONLY Black people that you all have a problem with? My problem in the UK is with Blacks, Pakis, Indians, Chinks, Poles and just about every nationality in the UK that is not white as in White/Brit/European. Even the Italians try to get their oar dug in as do the Spanish, greeks and so on. I would personally send all the above to sea on board a ship made from sugar paper and drown everyone of them.
I hate illegal immigrants, but I don't usually have a problem with Mexicans getting jobs. If they're willing to work for less than Americans, then so be it. I think it's odd that Arabs own party stores, but I'm not really bothered by it. In America, from what I've seen, it's only really blacks that have a problem with working. Everybody else wants to work and live happily... well, most do.
[quote title=puddle_splasher wrote on Sat, 23 December 2006 06:59]Is it ONLY Black people that you all have a problem with? My problem in the UK is with Blacks, Pakis, Indians, Chinks, Poles and just about every nationality in the UK that is not white as in White/Brit/European.quote] Poles as in Polish?
j_ball430 wrote on Sat, 23 December 2006 10:26 I hate illegal immigrants, but I don't usually have a problem with Mexicans getting jobs. If they're willing to work for less than Americans, then so be it. I think it's odd that Arabs own party stores, but I'm not really bothered by it. In America, from what I've seen, it's only really blacks that have a problem with working. Everybody else wants to work and live happily... well, most do. Over here on the west coast we're kind of racially blind apparently. I've honestly never noticed a difference between the work ethic of a particular race. Well, other than the fact that illegal Mexican immigrants are willing to work much harder than any Americans for less money.
xptek wrote on Sat, 23 December 2006 12:08 j_ball430 wrote on Sat, 23 December 2006 10:26 I hate illegal immigrants, but I don't usually have a problem with Mexicans getting jobs. If they're willing to work for less than Americans, then so be it. I think it's odd that Arabs own party stores, but I'm not really bothered by it. In America, from what I've seen, it's only really blacks that have a problem with working. Everybody else wants to work and live happily... well, most do. Over here on the west coast we're kind of racially blind apparently. I've honestly never noticed a difference between the work ethic of a particular race. Well, other than the fact that illegal Mexican immigrants are willing to work much harder than any Americans for less money. You must be blind then. They had to build a mountain of evidence to fire this guy. If he’d had been white pulling the crap he did he would have been gone a whole lot sooner. If you’re the boss of a lazy minority you better have your ducks all in a row before firing or find yourself in court. Years ago I worked for this one company who had a black guy working there. He never showed up on time, never did much at work and missed several days during work. No biggie lots of people are lazy like that of all races. Difference with him and everyone knew it because he would say it in front of everyone, you can’t fire me because I’m black and I’d sue your ass. They finally did but they had to gather a lot of proof before hand. Just curious are you a minority? If so could be why you don't see it? Or maybe your liberal lol could be the other reason.
I would love to live in a country that only had "US and THEM" as opposed to the Multi-Cultural city that I stay in. Every nationality ever produced must be living in Glasgow, Scotland, UK. There was even an Eskimo from the North Pole walking down the road
I thought Inuits were from present day Canada.
You obviously do not look at what the emoticons mean
I don’t need a statistic chart or news article to tell me that when I see black neighborhoods how the businesses have bars on the windows that something isn’t right here. I’m sure their not afraid of whites breaking into them. I got my stereo stolen out of my car. Guess I’m racist because the first person I thought of was someone black. Guess what I was right. They caught the bastard.
Darkknight wrote on Sun, 24 December 2006 09:14 I don’t need a statistic chart or news article to tell me that when I see black neighborhoods how the businesses have bars on the windows that something isn’t right here. I’m sure their not afraid of whites breaking into them. I got my stereo stolen out of my car. Guess I’m racist because the first person I thought of was someone black. Guess what I was right. They caught the bastard. Nice one. I hope the police used their "Powers of Restraint" and broke both his arms
Darkknight wrote on Sun, 24 December 2006 02:44 You must be blind then. They had to build a mountain of evidence to fire this guy. If he’d had been white pulling the crap he did he would have been gone a whole lot sooner. If you’re the boss of a lazy minority you better have your ducks all in a row before firing or find yourself in court. It really doesn't work like that where I live (Boise, Idaho - AKA: Mexican land). Black, White, Asian, or Hispanic, you're still going to get fired if you're doing a shit job. Darkknight wrote on Sun, 24 December 2006 02:44 Difference with him and everyone knew it because he would say it in front of everyone, you can’t fire me because I’m black and I’d sue your ass. They finally did but they had to gather a lot of proof before hand. That guy was a dumbass. Darkknight wrote on Sun, 24 December 2006 02:44 Just curious are you a minority? If so could be why you don't see it? Or maybe your liberal lol could be the other reason. Nope. Not a minority. I'm a Libertarian, but I don't agree with affirmative action at all. Namely because I don't feel that the government should have a say in who companies employ. My only problem with this thread is the amount of archaic, racist, bullshit being spewed by puddle_splasher and fl00d3d.
j_ball430 wrote on Sat, 23 December 2006 09:26 I hate illegal immigrants, but I don't usually have a problem with Mexicans getting jobs. If they're willing to work for less than Americans, then so be it. I think it's odd that Arabs own party stores, but I'm not really bothered by it. In America, from what I've seen, it's only really blacks that have a problem with working. Everybody else wants to work and live happily... well, most do. The Mexicans I have worked with are probably some of the hardest working people I have seen. But the problem I have is..the companies hire them with very low wages...and because they are undocumented they only pay them out of pocket with no taxes...thats what is pissing me off. They send their kids to public schools to get an education that none of them pay for which overloads the school systems(I have a sister who works for an inner city elementary school in Tulsa which over the pass couple of years has seen a huge increase in Mexican immigrant's children). A driver's license?...forget about it...insurance?...you wish. Because of that if you only have liability insurance(which is mandatory in Oklahoma) you are fucked if you are hit by an illegal immigrant driver. Like I said before they have very admirable qualities of hard work and family but there has to be something done about the way they are absorbed into our society. Unless something is done it will in my opinion lead to utter chaos.
GoArmy44 wrote on Sun, 24 December 2006 16:50 j_ball430 wrote on Sat, 23 December 2006 09:26 I hate illegal immigrants, but I don't usually have a problem with Mexicans getting jobs. If they're willing to work for less than Americans, then so be it. I think it's odd that Arabs own party stores, but I'm not really bothered by it. In America, from what I've seen, it's only really blacks that have a problem with working. Everybody else wants to work and live happily... well, most do. The Mexicans I have worked with are probably some of the hardest working people I have seen. But the problem I have is..the companies hire them with very low wages...and because they are undocumented they only pay them out of pocket with no taxes...thats what is pissing me off. They send their kids to public schools to get an education that none of them pay for which overloads the school systems(I have a sister who works for an inner city elementary school in Tulsa which over the pass couple of years has seen a huge increase in Mexican immigrant's children). A driver's license?...forget about it...insurance?...you wish. Because of that if you only have liability insurance(which is mandatory in Oklahoma) you are fucked if you are hit by an illegal immigrant driver. Like I said before they have very admirable qualities of hard work and family but there has to be something done about the way they are absorbed into our society. Unless something is done it will in my opinion lead to utter chaos. Yeah, I know what you mean. They kind of screw the system. :\
puddle_splasher wrote on Sun, 24 December 2006 07:58 You obviously do not look at what the emoticons mean That was the dumbest use of sarcasm I've ever seen. On another note, I hate the fact that illegal immigrants are kind of "ghosts" of the system too. My future brother-in-law just went back to Mexico to get legal and I commend him for it.
gbull wrote on Sun, 24 December 2006 16:49 That was the dumbest use of sarcasm I've ever seen. You state that Inuits are Canadian.You used Inuits, not I. Eskimo groups in Canada and Greenland have adopted the name Inuit, although the term has not taken hold in Alaska or Siberia. Behold, all groups are known as Eskimos, as I clearly stated. So the idea of an Eskimo from the North Pole, Greenland, Siberia, in furs, rubbing noses with the Glaswegians, of Scotland, in the middle of Sauchiehall St, certainly would be a case of sarcasm. It may be cold here, with 3 days a year of snow, but not to the extent that we have fully fledged Eskimos with Igloos in my street, as opposed to the other races that have taken residence. I now see Blacks, Indians, Chinese living in my street and as you correctly say, they are invisible to the State. "Ma, paw and the Weans", but when you add in the rest of the family, who dont speak english, take every penny from the Goverment, put nothing into the community,then receive one of the largest houses in the Street with everything from Gas, Electricity, Rent/Mortgage, car, all paid for them. then it is little wonder that we rebel against them.
From nigras to Eskimos. Renforums: serious business.