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A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Please consider your own motives and opinions here. Simply put, would these forums be better if he weren't posting on them? Do not use this thread to discuss who else you think should be banned. Posts in this thread on other subjects will be relocated.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-10-05T00:59:53-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: I don't want to go against the rules and such. But, why have a poll to ban Aircraftkiller? What has he done wrong in this community to get himself banned?
creator: Matix
date: 2006-10-05T01:05:57-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: If you don't know, then don't vote.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-10-05T01:07:15-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: Everything
creator: Kamuix
date: 2006-10-05T01:08:50-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: i hate that aircraftkiller bastard i voted yes
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T01:09:20-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: That must be an imposter? Who votes against him/her/both self?
creator: Matix
date: 2006-10-05T01:11:40-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: Nah, there's no point.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2006-10-05T01:12:00-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: because i don't give a fuck. if she bans me i'll just remove the forum from opera's load list and disappear. big loss on my part
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T01:12:57-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: *Votes* I'm cool now, aren't I?!
creator: Coolrock
date: 2006-10-05T01:13:14-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: Now that I see it, you should just go fuck yourself. Voted yes. The hell with people and the rudeness. *Voted Yes* But still, why the ban?
creator: Matix
date: 2006-10-05T01:16:47-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: I voted yes, Cya ACK, Who has been left with no internet friends exept Silent_kane
creator: Kamuix
date: 2006-10-05T01:18:41-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: Matix wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 21:16 Now that I see it, you should just go fuck yourself. Voted yes. The hell with people and the rudeness. *Voted Yes* But still, why the ban? LoL because he hurt us all dearly! An arsehole
creator: Kamuix
date: 2006-10-05T01:20:02-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: Bad time to accidentally hit "no". The damage is already done, and every budding talent he ran off will never come back. You should have done this 3 years ago. What harm can he do now anyways. He can't even produce anything useful anymore, which was his only redeeming quality. Now, at the very least we can laugh at the page on encyclopedia dramatica. Edit: for those who haven't had the joy.... http://www.encyclopediadramatica.com/index.php/Aircraftkille r
creator: KIRBY-098
date: 2006-10-05T01:27:55-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: I'll remember to move one vote from No to Yes.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-10-05T01:30:58-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: "Internet friends" lol...
creator: Renx
date: 2006-10-05T01:31:18-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: i hope that fills your life somehow, in some way. btw if you're going to full sail, i'd assume you're near winter park. come meet up with me and liz and you'll see i'm not such a bad guy after all
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T01:32:11-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy
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description: Thanks, but no.
creator: KIRBY-098
date: 2006-10-05T01:39:24-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: k stick to your mindless hatred then if that makes you happy somehow
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T01:41:58-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Hatred? I don't really think anyone cares anymore, but if you don't care about anything or anyone, that why did you bother saying things in the first place? Your Internet rebellious faze?
creator: Kamuix
date: 2006-10-05T01:44:44-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Why say we have hatred against you, if you voted yourself out? Personally, no one gives a shit about you, you could die right now, no one would care about you except your beloved family & friends. As "Moee" has mentioned, behind all is a good person, but behind aircraftkiller, is really an asscrackfiller. G?g
creator: Matix
date: 2006-10-05T01:47:48-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Oh boy, gang. This is gonna be a doozy! Toodles Holmes.
creator: Yoshimitsu
date: 2006-10-05T01:48:51-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Love him or hate him, Aircraftkiller is part of the Renegade community. He may be the community asshole but he's our asshole. Anyone who would cry or get overly offended by little words that has typed up and sent over the Internet from time to time should really just get over it.
creator: Ryan3k
date: 2006-10-05T01:49:02-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: I just find it funny how you people vote when you don't know him beyond what he types on an online forum. If you voted "yes", I hope you voted because of what he did on these forums and strictly on these forums. If you voted "yes" because you think he's a bad person, and you DON'T know him outside of the forums... I hope you realize that you're a tool.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2006-10-05T02:07:53-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: i voted no, why? because i just fucking love reading his retarded posts... they make me lol inside /tear
creator: Jaspah
date: 2006-10-05T02:17:32-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 22:07 If you voted "yes", I hope you voted because of what he did on these forums and strictly on these forums. If you voted "yes" because you think he's a bad person, and you DON'T know him outside of the forums... I hope you realize that you're a tool. God damnit, NO, I didn't realize that I would be a tool if I did that... Shit, and I've already voted.. but your opinion of me matters SO FUCKING MUCH, I wish I could go back in time and change what I've done.. How will I sleep tonight, knowing that you think I'm a tool because of what I think.
creator: msgtpain
date: 2006-10-05T02:18:36-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: msgtpain wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 22:18 j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 22:07 If you voted "yes", I hope you voted because of what he did on these forums and strictly on these forums. If you voted "yes" because you think he's a bad person, and you DON'T know him outside of the forums... I hope you realize that you're a tool. God damnit, NO, I didn't realize that I would be a tool if I did that... Shit, and I've already voted.. but your opinion of me matters SO FUCKING MUCH, I wish I could go back in time and change what I've done.. How will I sleep tonight, knowing that you think I'm a tool because of what I think. Har har. I honestly don't give a fuck what anybody voted. I just decided to state the stupidity of voting "yes" if you hate him and have no actual basis on it besides what stupid shit he's done on a *gasp* online forum.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2006-10-05T02:21:51-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Lets just help peace and vote yes.
creator: Kamuix
date: 2006-10-05T02:23:38-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: lol you think there will be peace just because i leave that's great pay more attention maybe?
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T02:24:23-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Well, I voted because I think he's a dick.. Here, on other forums, in the game, in IRC, in Private messages, etc.. But mostly, because he bought porn and let his cats starve.. that's just unforgivable.
creator: msgtpain
date: 2006-10-05T02:24:45-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Aircraftkiller wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 22:24 lol you think there will be peace just because i leave that's great pay more attention maybe? Ha! I said lets HeLp* peace. pay more attention maybe?
creator: Kamuix
date: 2006-10-05T02:27:00-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: and how exactly will it help peace? i rarely post here as it stands
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T02:28:46-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: He's an asshole at time and is very hard to talk with also, but that doesn't mean he should be banned. *votes no*
creator: Coolrock
date: 2006-10-05T02:35:22-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Abstain. I don't tend to keep up with who's pissing who off at any given time. ACK has been the community's most controversial member for years now, but I've never been close enough to any of the flame wars to really have an opinion either way (or even to know who started what, for that matter). And, honestly, I just don't give enough of a shit to go reading through however many dozens of pages of people bitching at each other to find the who's and the how's of why this all started. Remember, kiddies: voting for/against a ban because you like/don't like someone is petty and stupid. Don't bother voting unless you actually know (and care) what the fuck is going on.
creator: NukeIt15
date: 2006-10-05T02:36:02-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: you know what, flame me all you want but, personally, i dont see ACK as being an overly bad guy, sure a few quirks, but who doesnt have em, his are just a bit more..... obvious, than others'. i know for a fact at least a few ppl are gonna flip out, but you know what, i dont give a damn. so what, he told a lie or two, made a few mistakes, no one is perfect. i vote NO EDIT: BTW, just for you peeps wonderin, my vote made it 50%/50% EDIT2: Kamuix, your gonna hate me, and you probobly dont even remember me, but if i still happen to be a mod on your server, you might as well delete me from modlist, not cuz of this, but cuz i barely play anymore as is, and when i do play, i got friends i like to play with, so sry. EDIT3: go to his profile, click on webpage, and go down to where it says member of:... Garfieldandfriends, love, dagamerz, nature club, doesnt seem very "bad" to me.
creator: Danchicken
date: 2006-10-05T02:49:19-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: can't wait to see you gone
creator: AmunRa
date: 2006-10-05T02:49:25-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: you're a real winner, aren't you
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T02:52:15-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Voted yes for the cats. MORE POWER MY FELINE FRIENDS.
creator: xptek
date: 2006-10-05T02:54:36-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: I voted no for a few reasons: 1. Crimson sheltered him when she liked him, and now she is offering to ban him, which makes me want to see ACK stay just so Crimson doesn't get what she wants both times. 2. I can't think of anything ACK has done that at least 1 other person hasn't. Why single him out directly? 3. I can always add him to my ignore list again if he remains a member.
creator: light
date: 2006-10-05T02:55:21-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: This is the shittiest poll I've ever seen.
creator: bigejoe14
date: 2006-10-05T02:57:44-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: xptek wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 22:54 Voted yes for the cats. MORE POWER MY FELINE FRIENDS. Post of the day!
creator: KIRBY-098
date: 2006-10-05T03:10:51-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: For someone who claims not to care, he sure is arguing a lot. Being a moderator, I'm abstaining from the vote.
creator: warranto
date: 2006-10-05T03:11:33-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Quote: EDIT2: Kamuix, your gonna hate me, and you probobly dont even remember me, but if i still happen to be a mod on your server, you might as well delete me from modlist, not cuz of this, but cuz i barely play anymore as is, and when i do play, i got friends i like to play with, so sry. No you are not still on the mod list and have not been for a long time.
creator: Kamuix
date: 2006-10-05T03:14:19-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: more of a winner than you
creator: AmunRa
date: 2006-10-05T03:22:22-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: arguing? more like half-ass posting
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T03:53:10-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: I would have to agree with the statement about if you dont know whats going on blah blha blha dont post. Theres to many people in this community that go off what Crimson or other people think. You need to think for yourself for a change. Develop your own opinions. If you dont know why this poll has come up, dont post, dont vote.
creator: jschultz9
date: 2006-10-05T04:40:32-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Let him be, I find his posts quite interesting. And yes, sometimes entertaining.
creator: thrash300
date: 2006-10-05T05:23:07-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: warranto wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 22:11 For someone who claims not to care, he sure is arguing a lot. I guess you missed the "Bash on Crimmy" thread, where a good dozen people who tried phenomenally hard to make it perfectly clear they don't care about something posted a good hundred posts each to that effect.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-10-05T07:48:50-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Voted no by the way... if Aircraftkiller hadn't come to me about the Crimson stuff, I think it goes without saying this vote wouldn't have been posed.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-10-05T07:50:23-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Yea i voted no as well, i could care less about blogs and that jazz for i don't read them anyways. Aside from that he is a vital part to the community as a whole and just banning him for his attitude shouldn't be done. He has been around since the birth of renegade and basically this forum even. He has supplied alot of help, reguardless of his way of speaking his mind always. I think he has every right to stay, i am another that comes here for that edge, we have alot of different personalities here, and thats what makes it enjoyable. Either way i am not at any level to make the decision, so i guess i will sit back down :
creator: Blazea58
date: 2006-10-05T09:54:42-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: I voted no. Aircraftkiller did flame me the few times I did actually play with him and that would have been a long time ago, except, I didn't give a shit. There have been a LOT of people that's talked shit, and I still don't give a shit what they say. As far as I know, he's only truly bad-mouthed mod-makers and I'd have to say a lot of it would have merit to saying the work is bad. When you have "ultra aow" where you get massive loads of points, you easily get 1000 dollar characters and can afford anything you want at any given time. You change the game to make it easier for people, when it's already pretty damn easy. Or stupid mods like having all the characters have shotguns. It's just stupid. I'm not going to say all of his attacks had merit, but some did, and in some of the cases the people modding don't only did it on their spare time. So if his opinion means so little, ignore his posts if you're a modder, and let that be the end of it. I still find it ironic that the reason ack would be banned, is not because he flamed, but the fact that instead of discrediting spoony, he told the truth, and that's what may/may not lead to him getting banned. Perhaps this all would have been avoided if it was just brought up right away. Edit: Matix wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 20:47 Why say we have hatred against you, if you voted yourself out? Personally, no one gives a shit about you, you could die right now, no one would care about you except your beloved family & friends. As "Moee" has mentioned, behind all is a good person, but behind aircraftkiller, is really an asscrackfiller. G?g Who the fuck are you to judge him? You're like, what, 14? Not only that, but you stole other people's work and said it was your own, apparently. You ran your own server, and you CHEATED in it(which, granted you're apparently not alone in this, but it's still a shitty thing to do) Not only that, but when bbence got caught cheating by doubling his firing rate with ramjet, what did you do? Oh ye…
creator: Sniper_De7
date: 2006-10-05T10:19:47-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Over the past 3 and a half years I've been running this forum, I have been approached time and time again asking why I don't ban him and why I let him get away with being verbally abusive to so many people. I have apologized to those people for not considering their feelings on the matter enough, and this poll is to make amends to those people that I have ignored all these years. I don't care either way where the votes goes, but now at least those people can't say I didn't try. If this were a retalitory measure for ACK's betrayal against me, then Spoony would have a poll up with his name on it along with several others. Don't misread the intent of this poll. I clearly stated it at the first post.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-10-05T10:35:35-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Sniper_De7 wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 05:19 Edit: Matix wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 20:47 Why say we have hatred against you, if you voted yourself out? Personally, no one gives a shit about you, you could die right now, no one would care about you except your beloved family & friends. As "Moee" has mentioned, behind all is a good person, but behind aircraftkiller, is really an asscrackfiller. G?g Who the fuck are you to judge him? You're like, what, 14? Not only that, but you stole other people's work and said it was your own, apparently. You ran your own server, and you CHEATED in it(which, granted you're apparently not alone in this, but it's still a shitty thing to do) Not only that, but when bbence got caught cheating by doubling his firing rate with ramjet, what did you do? Oh yeah, NOTHING. Maybe everyone should go into your server with cheats on, because apparently moderators can cheat at will? Of course, that would mean that you'd have less of an advantage while playing, and that would suck. Because you, for some reason, place yourself above other people who just want to have fun, and so you cheat. How about you intend to grow up, and be mature? It comes with responsibility of owning something. As for no one caring about him, the same could be said for pretty much damned everybody if they haven't even MET the person. I don't give a shit about you and that's expected. If ack *did* happen to pass, at least he's done something for the community, what little or a lot that may be to anyone's opinion. Can't exactly say the same for you now, can we, cheater? Oh, i won't even touch on the fact that you pretend to be other people :\ Owned.
creator: Ryu
date: 2006-10-05T10:36:18-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Crimson wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 05:35 Over the past 3 and a half years I've been running this forum, I have been approached time and time again asking why I don't ban him and why I let him get away with being verbally abusive to so many people. I have apologized to those people for not considering their feelings on the matter enough, and this poll is to make amends to those people that I have ignored all these years. I don't care either way where the votes goes, but now at least those people can't say I didn't try. If this were a retalitory measure for ACK's betrayal against me, then Spoony would have a poll up with his name on it along with several others. Don't misread the intent of this poll. I clearly stated it at the first post. All I was saying, was that if he hadn't gotten involved in this whole "business", this poll would never have happened. That's why it's ironic, that, at the moment of the end (if he's banned) that it wasn't the fact that he was flaming some mod maker in the end, but that it was him telling the truth (going so far as to go against someone he's known for 5 years or whatever) [There's a quote somewhere about how it takes much greater courage to stand up against your friends than your enemies. Or something.] that lead to his ban. I don't intend to mean you are retaliating against him. I also don't mean to say that he hasn't done some bad things. He has. He's done some good things, too, more for this community than I have done. I'm just a player and all I really care about is playing the game for fun. All I was pointing out was that he has done some good, and that you can flame him for "turning against you" when he just wanted to clear up the fact that it wasn't spoony who was lying, when you said he was lying, while at the same time it was you. Something, I would deem "good". I don't necessarily say that it was right to use private conversations to show that it wasn't spoony lying, but what choice would he have had, if you weren't goin…
creator: Sniper_De7
date: 2006-10-05T11:04:36-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: To say that his betrayal of me ultimately led to this poll is true, and I stood by him all these years because even though he was a complete dickhead towards people who didn't deserve it, he did do a lot for the community. There are people who like him, people who hate him, people who are indifferent. That's why I said people should vote based on their own opinion of whether or not he should be allowed to continue to post here. To say that this poll came about because he betrayed me is like saying that the US nuked Japan because the guy who led the project was born. Just because the end event probably wouldn't have happened without the first event doesn't mean that the first event was the direct causation of the second event. It also doesn't mean the second event was something that shouldn't have happened.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-10-05T11:14:30-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Look, all I'm saying is that it was something he did *good* that ultimately lead him to the situation we are at now, at banning him. I said I found this ironic. I'm not trying to imply that this ban poll is from the fact that he posted the conversations, but that it is IRONIC that if it wasn't for the fact that he did something good, that he would never have had a poll to ban him. I am not trying to imply anything here.. I know that this poll is about *EVERYTHING* he's done and that it's because of his own actions that also lead him to here. But I said I find it ironic that one of the few good things he's done, is the reason why this poll is ultimately here now. If he didn't do what he did, this poll would most-probably never have existed for the duration of renegade. Don't take this as implying something bad or terrible. If he deserves to get banned, he probably will. By the way, I assume you're going to take off double votes, if they're the same IP, right?
creator: Sniper_De7
date: 2006-10-05T11:26:49-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: I think whether what he did was "good" is a matter of opinion, but sure. The votes can only come from registered accounts and there hasn't been some strange influx of new accounts, so I don't see any reason to figure out how to hax the database to change the poll results.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-10-05T11:45:20-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Voted YES! Didn't take me long to think about it too. Allthough he has his funny moments too, the stuff he did (like leaking beta's) would have had him earn a ban on other forums too. This should have happend a long time ago too. There are now a few dozen ack copycats posting on these forums, that think it is ok to just turn every thread into an all out bashing. It's a pitty it took Ack bashing you personally to see this. But hell, better late then never.
creator: PackHunter
date: 2006-10-05T11:55:40-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Man, I forgot about him leaking the Reborn beta (more than once)... I don't know who he got it from but I'm sure they can agree with me that he has an uncanny ability to talk you into doing things you never thought you would do.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-10-05T12:19:29-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: I abstain from the vote. I'm just here to make maps and stuff
creator: Halo38
date: 2006-10-05T12:23:55-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Crimson wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 05:35 Over the past 3 and a half years I've been running this forum, I have been approached time and time again asking why I don't ban him and why I let him get away with being verbally abusive to so many people. I have apologized to those people for not considering their feelings on the matter enough, and this poll is to make amends to those people that I have ignored all these years. I don't care either way where the votes goes, but now at least those people can't say I didn't try. If this were a retalitory measure for ACK's betrayal against me, then Spoony would have a poll up with his name on it along with several others. Don't misread the intent of this poll. I clearly stated it at the first post. Banning ACK now would be too little, too late. You're just trying to save face when the damage to your reputation for accommodating him (as well as others, like Kholdstare) has already been done. It's time to suck it up, and move on.
creator: Ryan3k
date: 2006-10-05T12:36:04-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Sorry, I'm not going anywhere even if you want me to.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-10-05T12:37:56-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Uhm... Well, what I meant was that we should move beyond this sudden "ban ACK" movement.
creator: Ryan3k
date: 2006-10-05T12:46:42-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: And by the way, this IS moving on. It is business as usual for me. I "moved on" from being focused on the stupid shit a while ago. I'm just working on cleaning up the messy aftermath of the most retarded flame war/spam fest ever seen. However, I am also working with Silent Kane to get ladder support for XWIS, arranged a partnership with BlackIntel for BHS, and working on two separate revitalization projects for n00bstories. I am just giving the community a place to kindly ask Aircraftkiller to leave the community in body as it's obvious he left it in spirit months ago. Remember that those logs he posted don't make him out to look like a fresh rose garden.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-10-05T12:48:16-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: In my opinion, this is why Blazer's common sense approach to moderating doesn't work. If there aren't any rules of conduct laid down and you just rely on moderators' common sense to decide when people have gone too far, you'll always have a feeling of injustice. By it's own definition, common sense can't be strictly defined, so will mean different things to different people. One person will think that someone has done enough to be banned or to take a vote on it, whereas another will not. Ultimately the decision hinges on the personal taste and whimsy of the moderator. If that's the way you choose to run the forums, then you have the right to do so, but you can't really call it a fair system. I get the feeling that it matters to the admins here to be seen as fair, in which case you need to be seen to apply the same rules to everyone. A good start would be having a visible set of rules pertaining to conduct. Don't get me wrong though, I think the admins try hard to treat everyone the same, but it's tough to see this in practice, when the rules effectively exist only inside your head. The rules could be as strict or lenient as you like, as long as there is a reason listed somewhere for why Aircraftkiller or anyone else is doing something wrong. As it stands, as much as I disagree with the stuff he's done in the past, I can't see a reason why he should be banned. The only reason would be on moral grounds, I guess, but again, you don't enforce rules of conduct... so what rule is he breaking? I guess you could say that because it's been put up for a vote, he should be banned simply because people might want him to be... but then it's an arbitrary decision on the part of Crimson to open the poll in the first place. Will it now be a rule that anyone can open a poll to get someone else banned, and then have the will of the people enforced, or can only a moderator do it... in which case we return to the beginning because there are no clear-cut guidelines for what kind of cond…
creator: m1a1_abrams
date: 2006-10-05T13:16:20-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: I undetstand why you woujld ban him, but simply put dont I know its personal between you guys, but he has been here a long time, has made contributions to the commmunity and who knows whats gonna happen in the future I think banning him would be a big mistake
creator: trooprm02
date: 2006-10-05T14:03:36-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: MaidenTy1 wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 01:48 warranto wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 22:11 For someone who claims not to care, he sure is arguing a lot. I guess you missed the "Bash on Crimmy" thread, where a good dozen people who tried phenomenally hard to make it perfectly clear they don't care about something posted a good hundred posts each to that effect. And?
creator: warranto
date: 2006-10-05T14:44:53-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: No.
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2006-10-05T15:57:00-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Meh, its kind of sad to see the Renegade Community is so stagnated that everyone is just taking pot shots at each other. IMO ACK should have been banned years ago for just being a rude bastard and scaring people away who really could have developed into talented map makers.. and who knows might have even taken it up as a profession like my brother (Halo38) will be doing. Im sure Crimson kept him around because she felt that his contribution in terms of maps/etc justified it, after coming back and having a brief reading of the posts made here its obvious that ACK still has some serious issues.. If you really dont care about this place anymore then fuck off and let the people who want to enjoy Renedage and develop it further do it. All the people here who are still enjoying the game, keeping in contact with friends or working to better the game in their own time i aplaud you. As for the rest of the community.. Just look at yourselves, your actually at the point where your attacking someones character and trying to make scape goats to keep yourselves occupied. Coming back and taking a look at this place and seeing how absolutely negative it has become fills me with sadness, what is really needed here is some good old fasioned trimming.. remove the deadwood that are only adding negativity and hopefully some new life will be breathed into the community... How would you feal if you just bought Renegade gave it a whirl, enjoyed the game and decided to get involved in the community just to get shot down by someone like ACK on one of his regular ego trips. But hell what does my input stand for, i havent been active in the community for over 2 years.. All i know is that ACK always stood behind the fact that he had "done more for the community than <insert random person>" now he isnt and he is still being an asshole so take out that ban stick and go to town.
creator: snipefrag
date: 2006-10-05T16:04:05-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: MaidenTy1 wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 01:50 Voted no by the way... if Aircraftkiller hadn't come to me about the Crimson stuff, I think it goes without saying this vote wouldn't have been posed. The reason for the vote doesn't really matter. The outcome won't be decided by her. It's everyone else who will decide if he stays or goes. Now, if he had been arbitrarily banned, then perhaps that argument would be valid.
creator: warranto
date: 2006-10-05T16:19:10-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: ACK can be a straight up dick, but then again - so can a lot of people (myself included). Years ago when there was a lot of drama going around about RenGuard ACK actually heard me out on AIM and got my perspective on things. I think he's just someone who is "smart but don't care". Those types of people aren't exactly the most welcomed in gaming communities, but nonetheless if this is a TRUE democratic vote ... I vote 'no'. Hopefully my vote can be respected as "a vote". Matix wrote on Wed, 04 October 2006 20:47 Why say we have hatred against you, if you voted yourself out? Personally, no one gives a shit about you, you could die right now, no one would care about you except your beloved family & friends. As "Moee" has mentioned, behind all is a good person, but behind aircraftkiller, is really an asscrackfiller. G?g ^^This is coming from a 14 boy who runs a server admin'd by cheaters and steals other people's work. Matix = teh-pwnerer, owner of rencorner ... king of 'worthless piece of junk'. Seriously, kid - just stfu and find a new forum. If I had it my way, Crimson would ban you back to the stoneage for not only cheating, but because you steal so many people's identities and work. You're a thorn in the side of our community. Just die, pls. "Crimson" Do not use this thread to discuss who else you think should be banned. Posts in this thread on other subjects will be relocated. If my last few statements crossed the line, please feel free to remove them. I just now noticed this quote. Sorry.
creator: fl00d3d
date: 2006-10-05T16:45:00-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Ah this topic brings me back, how long ago was it that we had this poll the last time?
creator: Oblivion165
date: 2006-10-05T17:13:01-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: exactly. she's not a good liar. she's made a poll about this before and it was with the same intent, but this time it's "oh he BACKSTABBED ME! NO ONE DOES THAT! I MUST UTTERLY FAIL TO HUMILIATE HIM WITH THIS SHIT TOPIC IN RETALIATION SINCE HE WON'T SUPPORT MY DYSTOPIA OF A REGIME IN RENEGADE" this topic sucks. and i still hate that aircraftkiller bastard vote yes
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T17:25:00-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: The only "Ban ACK" thread that I remember is this one: http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=14681&a mp;prevloaded=1&rid=54&start=0 From almost a year and a half ago.
creator: warranto
date: 2006-10-05T17:42:18-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: My opinions have been said here already by others. Ryan3k wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:36 Banning ACK now would be too little, too late. Jaspah wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 05:17 i voted no, why? because i just fucking love reading his retarded posts... they make me lol inside /tear Voted no.
creator: RTsa
date: 2006-10-05T17:52:14-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: So what's taking so long? It's three easy steps. Lock, ban, delete. Rinse and then repeat without mercy. Create a TOS we call violate once in awhile for fun. I recommend the former WW standard.
creator: KIRBY-098
date: 2006-10-05T17:54:24-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: I'm sure he did vote yes against himself, since he has shown that he obviously hates the entire community. Which is ironic because I remember a time when he was one of Renegades biggest supporters. I remember when he was proud of maps he made. I remember talking to him on Teamspeak, and he was excitedly talking about how advanced the Renegade engine was (specifically about how vehicles have gear ratios etc). Then, at some point, something changed, and he decided that he hates renegade, and then the outpouring of "Renegay", "Gayguard", "Renegade is dead", and all the personal attacks upon anyone who was trying to do things for Renegade, especially mod and map makers. So I have to wonder, if he hates everything to do with the game and the community, why is he even here of his own will, at all? Jonathan is an intelligent person, and unique in many ways. I've never liked the way he put down on people, to me it seemed like he always had this need to totally erase from existence anyone that he didn't like, or that didn't think as he did. But despite that, back then he did do good things for the Community as well, so he was sort of a Dr Jeckyl/Mr Hyde. Crimson usually tries to see the good in people, so she put up with his antics, I'm guessing because in her mind he was doing more good than harm. Now after all the "Reborn Sucks", "Renegay", "Gayguard", "Renegade is dead|stupid|sucks", and yes, including attacking someone that has been his friend for years, it's time to realize that there is no more Dr Jeckyl, there is only Mr Hyde. He no longer does anything for the community (by does I dont mean things like maps, I mean support in general), he HATES renegade, doesn't even play the game anymore, and does nothing but attack the game and community. I still wonder why he bothers to come here if he hates the game and all of us so much. I guess its like a guy stalking an ex-girlfriend...from the looks of the vote tallys, the ex-girlfriend is filing a restraining order
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-10-05T18:01:47-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: the jekyll\hyde thing is more suited to crimson than me
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T18:10:46-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Crimson wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 05:35 If this were a retalitory measure for ACK's betrayal against me, then Spoony would have a poll up with his name on it along with several others. Ah, my mistake. I was incorrect to say this poll is a relatiation for what you did and tried to blame all on myself and Aircraftkiller. I should've remembered that the relatiatory measure for that already happened.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-10-05T18:21:50-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: I voted no, the guy is a prick no doubt but this is a public forum people come here for the drama, it's not hard to use the ignore button.
creator: MexPirate
date: 2006-10-05T19:20:59-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: No.
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2006-10-05T19:22:28-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 14:10 the jekyll\hyde thing is more suited to crimson than me before you leave (if you do), can you finally upload all the shit westwood gave you somewhere... so we can use it?
creator: Jaspah
date: 2006-10-05T19:29:57-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Jaspah wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:29 Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 14:10 the jekyll\hyde thing is more suited to crimson than me before you leave (if you do), can you finally upload all the shit westwood gave you somewhere... so we can use it? I couldn't help but laugh at this post. It's really sad to see people are voting yes
creator: Coolrock
date: 2006-10-05T19:43:15-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 13:25 exactly. she's not a good liar. she's made a poll about this before and it was with the same intent, but this time it's "oh he BACKSTABBED ME! NO ONE DOES THAT! I MUST UTTERLY FAIL TO HUMILIATE HIM WITH THIS SHIT TOPIC IN RETALIATION SINCE HE WON'T SUPPORT MY DYSTOPIA OF A REGIME IN RENEGADE" this topic sucks. and i still hate that aircraftkiller bastard vote yes Just for the record im not taking sides. Over the years you and I have had some arguments, same with me and Crimson. The last cluster of AircraftKiller ban vote was over a year ago and I forgive the things you did to get the topic posted in the first place. I remember hitting yes on the ban button faster than I would have for a reactor shutdown, but its time to let all that stuff go.
creator: Oblivion165
date: 2006-10-05T19:45:42-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Jaspah wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:29 Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 14:10 the jekyll\hyde thing is more suited to crimson than me before you leave (if you do), can you finally upload all the shit westwood gave you somewhere... so we can use it? let you take advantage of me? no.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T20:05:51-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Voted : No.
creator: jd422032101
date: 2006-10-05T20:09:29-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: no! vote yes!!
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T20:10:17-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Nah, Aircraftkiller is part of the gang here, and will remain as one whether he decides to leave or not anyway, I think. Sure, I haven't really had any conflicts with him, at least none that I can recall, but still...
creator: Scythar
date: 2006-10-05T20:11:26-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 16:05 Jaspah wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:29 Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 14:10 the jekyll\hyde thing is more suited to crimson than me before you leave (if you do), can you finally upload all the shit westwood gave you somewhere... so we can use it? let you take advantage of me? no. There you go, show the community how you really care.
creator: Yoshimitsu
date: 2006-10-05T20:19:16-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: I voted yes. He is an asshole pretty much everywhere I have seen him, the forums, on a renegade server, and ofcourse on irc. Bye.
creator: GoArmy44
date: 2006-10-05T20:26:01-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 16:05 Jaspah wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 15:29 Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 14:10 the jekyll\hyde thing is more suited to crimson than me before you leave (if you do), can you finally upload all the shit westwood gave you somewhere... so we can use it? let you take advantage of me? no. you've said you didnt care about this game anymore for once, dont be a total arse... if you're leaving let others who still care about this game have them
creator: Jaspah
date: 2006-10-05T20:31:06-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: this is your left, that's your left this is your left, that's your left this is your right, that's your right this is your right you're gonna die!
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-10-05T20:32:20-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Voted No. How many of you have I just impressed?
creator: Kamuix
date: 2006-10-05T20:53:37-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 13:25 and i still hate that aircraftkiller bastard vote yes Allready did m8
creator: PackHunter
date: 2006-10-05T21:56:07-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: PackHunter wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 22:56 Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 13:25 and i still hate that aircraftkiller bastard vote yes Allready did m8 same here
creator: futura83
date: 2006-10-05T22:05:08-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: You both are dumbasses
creator: Coolrock
date: 2006-10-05T22:06:18-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Coolrock wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 23:06 You both are dumbasses you are arent you?
creator: futura83
date: 2006-10-05T22:07:30-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Who would vote no to banning ACK? He has been a total rude dumbass here. We don't need that kind of person around here.
creator: Matix
date: 2006-10-05T22:08:44-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: im voting on what i have seen of him on these forums. i have seen him being an a**hole so voted yes
creator: futura83
date: 2006-10-05T22:09:43-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Voting yes shows that you guys are assholes just as much
creator: Coolrock
date: 2006-10-05T22:15:58-00:00

Re: A sniff of democracy (aka ACK vote)
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description: Coolrock wrote on Thu, 05 October 2006 23:15 Voting yes shows that you guys are assholes just as much
creator: futura83
date: 2006-10-05T22:17:15-00:00