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anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!!
There are two new "communities" offering hosting for renegade servers, as well as other games. rencorner aka neronhosting and [DLoC] clan led by LordESide also [DLoC]LordESide. Both people I would highly advise not renting from and staying away from these people and thier hosting would be a very good idea.
Re: anyone looking to rent server PLEASE READ!!!
lol. out of curiosity - why?
rencorner has already been discussed on this forum, just kind of a secondary note. [DLoC] falls in the same category as rencorner. Young kid that knows nothing about hosting. Will cause nothing but a problem for the people he hosts. Which will be another host putting of mass servers with tremendous lag, flooding the servers listings with numerous server. The quicker these kind of people vacate hosting, the better off the community is as a whole.
I aggree. If you're going to choose a hosting company for Renegade I advide you choose Aohost www.aohost.co.uk . Lag free server's On the spot support. You get what you paid for. My oppinian.
Alex wrote on Wed, 27 September 2006 20:54 I aggree. If you're going to choose a hosting company for Renegade I advide you choose Aohost www.aohost.co.uk . Lag free server's On the spot support. You get what you paid for. My oppinian. i agree
Way to plug another hosting company I wouldn't rent from.
Alex wrote on Wed, 27 September 2006 21:54 I aggree. If you're going to choose a hosting company for Renegade I advide you choose Aohost www.aohost.co.uk . Lag free server's On the spot support. You get what you paid for. My oppinian. Lag free, not really atm for our server... Support yea sure, its just that we dont really need it mostly About getting what you paid for... We didnt pay anything, just that cat rented a a000000 nick to Nightma12
mrpirate wrote on Wed, 27 September 2006 16:38 that's only your oppinian, jball Actually... that's fact. (I'm not sure if you're being sarcastic or serious... my hopes would be the former.)
I was just making fun of that guy for saying "oppinian"
i have lag on aohost, the ping is usally 200 when an jellyserver it is 80 and many other servers.
lmao.. its turnt into an aohost topic! Quote: Way to plug another hosting company I wouldn't rent from. any paticular reason? Quote: i have lag on aohost, the ping is usally 200 when an jellyserver it is 80 and many other servers. thats probably due to location, although in my server i have a ping of 200-250 and ive never had lag issues? Quote: Lag free, not really atm for our server... yeah... thing is with your server is that nobody else on the box is having problems, and the ping/sfps/kbps seem to be fine.. 0.o have you tried fiddleing with the nut?
Nightma12 any paticular reason? Then again, I wouldn't buy hosting from any small company that rents from another company. That makes the support so much slower and unreliable. Plus, the price is driven up. Not to mention that it's not really a professional host, so I don't know if I can really trust the staff and their qualifications. There are plenty of other small details, but that gives you an idea.
I overload my servers? One of my boxes has 2x more gb then both of nightma's combined. I only run like 4 servers on a dual opteron 4gb ram?? How about nightma, like 20 servers on 2 silly little P4s. both with 1gb. Thats what I call overloading..
You have valid points there. But with AOhost you're not paying for "professional" (as you would define it) hosting. AOhosts prices are almost 1-2x less than a "professional" host. Then again, just because someone isn't a 25 year old established geek like myself doesn't mean that they're not qualified either. Like Nightma12. He does one hell of a job for is age. I've been very impressed. Don't underestimate 'the little guy'
I aggree with that. Some companies still charge c&c renegade servers for like $2.50 per slot and even less of that of what nightma charges.. I charge a bit less i think? o0
Don't even try to work your business into this thread "teh pwnerer" (aka Matix). Go post somewhere else where people don't hate you.
We actualy baught a server off Nightma12, And what I said is true. When I need support for the server, Nightma give's it to you instantly. I never have lag on the server, Mabey it's becuase I live were the server is located but meh. And creepiner the owner of our community hasn't complained about lag. And we did get what we paid for, A lag free server with any Regulation bot, And any choice of server applications (WOLspy and so on) I think Nightma's Hosting is Amazing, Best around if you ask me.
Alex wrote on Wed, 27 September 2006 18:52 We actualy baught a server off Nightma12, And what I said is true. When I need support for the server, Nightma give's it to you instantly. I never have lag on the server, Mabey it's becuase I live were the server is located but meh. And creepiner the owner of our community hasn't complained about lag. And we did get what we paid for, A lag free server with any Regulation bot, And any choice of server applications (WOLspy and so on) I think Nightma's Hosting is Amazing, Best around if you ask me. Amen!
Alex: You should click on the Spell-check Message button m8. Had to give you some sheet, sht, shit. Weres that spel check button agian
Tonyrolm: If I was god, I would smite you!
tp get out of any thread Ic reate, this thread isnt for you, its about your retarded ass. Renforums needs a ban button for stopping people from posting on certain topics.
I'll say one thing about the security on Nightma's server(s). Bad.
Morphix and Slick's boxes are at Ev1 and therefore suck. (Neron Hosting)
Alex wrote on Thu, 28 September 2006 00:52 We actualy baught a server off Nightma12, And what I said is true. When I need support for the server, Nightma give's it to you instantly. I never have lag on the server, Mabey it's becuase I live were the server is located but meh. And creepiner the owner of our community hasn't complained about lag. And we did get what we paid for, A lag free server with any Regulation bot, And any choice of server applications (WOLspy and so on) I think Nightma's Hosting is Amazing, Best around if you ask me. i like the server, but i seem to have lag "spikes" it seems to be fine then it laggs badly for about a minit. is this somthing i have done? oh yeah and nightma12, even though i haven't done it. i know how to access and change the player limit. i needed to open svrcfg.ini and realized i wasn't supposed to lol.
yes, lol i have a bot that scans your directorys and makes sure you havnt changed the playercount
Nightma's servers are by far the best I have ever seen. There is little to no lag on them too. Plus nightma just let me host a server on one of his boxes and so far there has been no lag at all. He also helped me set it up right away. Like everyone said he gives the best tech support man can offer and his servers dont lag either.
Hi, I'm a walking billboard, too!
Quote: I'll say one thing about the security on Nightma's server(s). Bad. Can you explain? If not in public, to me privately as I am now working with Nightma12 and I have a huge background in security. Quote: Morphix and Slick's boxes are at Ev1 and therefore suck. (Neron Hosting) EV1 is one of the best places to host in the world. What are you basing your information off of?
AFAIK Morphix either went out of busisness or just gave up on hosting. www.neronhosting.com has NOTHING to do with www.neronhost.com
fl00d3d wrote on Thu, 28 September 2006 14:59 EV1 is one of the best places to host in the world. What are you basing your information off of? Are you kidding me? EV1 peers with a bunch of "budget" providers and has completely retarded policies when it comes to IRC.
Not to mention Morphix owns ONE windows box that all games run from, so lets think before you rent from Neron Hosting. Lets see, EV1 uses Cogent, AboveNet, Savvis and Verio. Two of the above stated are shit. I know you have no idea what I just said, so let me give you some advice. If you were smart, you'd get a broker to help get a box (Myself, xptek, or somebody with knowlege concerning servers). You should not rent, you should get your own box for performance's sake. PM me if you have any further questions.
Why does Matix brag about his RAM memory when everyone knows that the renegadefds and for exemple brenbot mostly EATS cpu-power. One FDS and regulator per cpu is my motto!
Yoshimitsu wrote on Thu, 28 September 2006 22:55 Not to mention Morphix owns ONE windows box that all games run from, so lets think before you rent from Neron Hosting. Lets see, EV1 uses Cogent, AboveNet, Savvis and Verio. Two of the above stated are shit. I know you have no idea what I just said, so let me give you some advice. If you were smart, you'd get a broker to help get a box (Myself, xptek, or somebody with knowlege concerning servers). You should not rent, you should get your own box for performance's sake. PM me if you have any further questions. I hope you're not suggesting that I don't know what I'm talking about, lol. Cogent is prime bandwidth. And unlike other high-tier providers EV1 has a fully redundant network. I owned (COO) a webhosting company that was based out of a datacenter in Seattle, WA. I'm quite familiar with upstream providers and what is reliable and what is not. Further, I have numerous certifications and years of hands on experience with live networks at that level; including global communication systems. So don't assume that I don't know what I'm talking about when in fact I do. As for what xptek said: (1) Nightma12 told me that you exploited a php vulnerability years ago - which is not only easy for any decent php programmer but a quick and permanent security fix. (2) For someone that seems to know a lot about security (you were quoted saying his security is bad) you should understand that the IRC protocol is one of the least secure protocols ever designed which is the main consideration for EV1's position. Let's not bump the topic too much, I want to hear Matix/teh-pwnerer try to defend himself. *grabs popcorn*
fl00d3d wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 11:37 I hope you're not suggesting that I don't know what I'm talking about, lol. lol fl00d3d wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 11:37 Cogent is prime bandwidth. No its not, its cheap bandwidth that doesn't route properly. The fact that it doesnt peer with Verizon(formerly MCI Sprint) is also a strike against it. Having to go through Level3 to get to a Cogent-hosted box really sucks. Not to mention it sucks off the tit of Verio. fl00d3d wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 11:37 And unlike other high-tier providers EV1 has a fully redundant network. EV1 isnt a "High-tier provider" its a datacenter that uses High-tier carriers (Tier-1). Name another MAJOR datcenter that isnt fully redundant. fl00d3d wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 11:37 I owned (COO) a webhosting company that was based out of a datacenter in Seattle, WA. Oh wow! I've been the CEO, COO, Tech Support, and Billing a 1000 times with my own hosting company. fl00d3d wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 11:37 I'm quite familiar with upstream providers and what is reliable and what is not. What the hell is an "upstream provider"? Is that anything like a Tier-1 provider? lol.
Quote: I hope you're not suggesting that I don't know what I'm talking about, lol. Cogent is prime bandwidth. And unlike other high-tier providers EV1 has a fully redundant network. Uh, are there any datacenters that DON'T have a "fully redundant" network? Quote: I owned (COO) a webhosting company that was based out of a datacenter in Seattle, WA. I'm quite familiar with upstream providers and what is reliable and what is not. Further, I have numerous certifications and years of hands on experience with live networks at that level; including global communication systems. So don't assume that I don't know what I'm talking about when in fact I do. LOL I HAVE MY CCNA CCNP NET+ A+, etc. Does it matter? No. Anyone can obtain those, and bandwidth providers really don't really have anything to do with that. It's a long shot, but did you happen to run your hosting company out of Swiftco in the Westin Tower? I'll be there next month. Quote: (1) Nightma12 told me that you exploited a php vulnerability years ago - which is not only easy for any decent php programmer but a quick and permanent security fix. Uh, it wasn't a PHP exploit. He allowed anyone to read any file on his box regardless of their user status, and still does. Quote: (2) For someone that seems to know a lot about security (you were quoted saying his security is bad) you should understand that the IRC protocol is one of the least secure protocols ever designed which is the main consideration for EV1's position. Hahaha. IRC is a plaintext chat protocol and does its job fine. What security improvements would you recommend? And for the record, EV1 allows IRC (they even run their own support IRCd), but linking other IRCds is against their policy. This has nothing to do with the IRC protocol's security. Their network simply can't handle the DDoS attacks that sometimes happen. Basically, EV1 is cheap generic Infomart-esque shit. Great for budget hosting or personal use, but you'd have to be insane to buy from a hosting company there.
Quote: Uh, it wasn't a PHP exploit. He allowed anyone to read any file on his box regardless of their user status, and still does. no i dont...
This topic needs to be renamed to...A bunch of computer nerds argueing about gaming servers...I understood half that server crap. nightma12 servers suck... /me is making trouble.
Nightma12 wrote on Fri, 29 September 2006 18:55 Quote: Uh, it wasn't a PHP exploit. He allowed anyone to read any file on his box regardless of their user status, and still does. no i dont... Well, unless you learned how to actually secure your box, PHP can still read any file on the drive just fine. Allowing exec probably isn't very smart either.
yes, lol and neither of them is allowed anymore (im quite sure, but ill get fl00d3d to check this out anyway....)
Good!
I was suggesting that you don't go out of your way to tell someone that they don't know what they're talking about when they could be just as qualified to give an opinion. And yes we were in Westin. I believe he still is? I'm not affiliated with the business anymore. Anything down in Dallas, TX is going to have a decent network as it is one of the best places to host a server on the planet. They have the most carriers, the highest quality carriers, bigger pipes running to-and-from, and service some of the largest sites on the planet at their location for a reason. Now I understand that EV1 is just one of a many -- but there are plenty of other datacenters in the world that don't have as nice of a hookup as they do down in Dallas. As for saying that IRC isn't insecure: lol Finally, I cannot vouch for what Nightma12 had in the past, but he's also working alone on a platform I'm sure he's not qualified to secure. So give him a break. That was then, and this is now. I'm just sick of hearing everyone on these forums claim to be some kind of uber l33t h4xx0r that knows how to do this and that. I'm not saying you don't ... but as a true geek (and if you are, you'll know what I'm talking about) these frustrations built up and when a topic like this comes along and it becomes a 'nerd fight' I just explode. 90% of the people on these Renegade Forums that talk shit are just under-aged kids that don't have any real-world experience.
fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 30 September 2006 15:04 As for saying that IRC isn't insecure: lol Instead of dodging the question, why don't you point out what could be improved in the protocol to make it more "secure"? Seriously. fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 30 September 2006 15:04 Anything down in Dallas, TX is going to have a decent network as it is one of the best places to host a server on the planet. They have the most carriers, the highest quality carriers, bigger pipes running to-and-from, and service some of the largest sites on the planet at their location for a reason. Do you mean Chicago? Dallas has a few decent carriers (Cogent is not one of them), but it's nothing spectacular at all.
To be completely honest I've been out of the "carrier" dealings for a little over a year now. So I don't know what has changed since then. But I do remember shopping around for better upstream and EV1 was on the top of our company's list. IRC is too easy to sniff out, easy to abuse, easy to hijack, spam, etc. It is the reason why so many worms are successful and is the playground for hackers. I definitely would not consider myself a "designer of protocols" though I do know a bit about a lot of stacks, but if I were to take a stab at a new IRC (which I think they're doing for IPv6?) I would definitely put more control information in the header of each packet so you can prevent the endless number of problems that IRC has in its history. You can't possibly think that IRC is secure, I hope....
fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 30 September 2006 15:36 To be completely honest I've been out of the "carrier" dealings for a little over a year now. So I don't know what has changed since then. But I do remember shopping around for better upstream and EV1 was on the top of our company's list. IRC is too easy to sniff out, easy to abuse, easy to hijack, spam, etc. It is the reason why so many worms are successful and is the playground for hackers. I definitely would not consider myself a "designer of protocols" though I do know a bit about a lot of stacks, but if I were to take a stab at a new IRC (which I think they're doing for IPv6?) I would definitely put more control information in the header of each packet so you can prevent the endless number of problems that IRC has in its history. You can't possibly think that IRC is secure, I hope.... LOL Yeah because you can magically sniff client info out when you're not the server. lmao. For the 3rd time, EV1 isn't a god damn carrier.
fl00d3d wrote on Sat, 30 September 2006 15:36 IRC is too easy to sniff out, easy to abuse, easy to hijack, spam, etc. It is the reason why so many worms are successful and is the playground for hackers. Seriously. What are you talking about? Here's how IRC works: Server listens on a port. Client connects to server. Client joins a channel. Client PRIVMSGs channel. Other clients in the channel receive the message. There's nothing that makes it more susceptible to being "sniffed out" than any other plaintext chat protocol. Most IRCds these days support SSL anyway. Quote: I definitely would not consider myself a "designer of protocols" though I do know a bit about a lot of stacks, but if I were to take a stab at a new IRC Okay. This is where things go batshit insane. Quote: (which I think they're doing for IPv6?) What does IPv6 have to do with the IRC protocol? At all? Quote: I would definitely put more control information in the header of each packet so you can prevent the endless number of problems that IRC has in its history. You can't possibly think that IRC is secure, I hope.... Are you talking about TCP/IP or something? It seems like you're a bit confused. Look at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OSI_model some time or something, because IRC has nothing to do with "headers" or whatever the hell you're talking about.
You really can't argue with him and I about these sorts of things, fl00d3d.
Quote: ...Yeah because you can magically sniff client info out when you're not the server... Quote: ...plaintext chat protocol... That is where the problem starts. You do not have to be on any server to sniff out its traffic. You simply have to be on its network segment. Hook your computer up to a hub and plug another computer into it -- then sniff out port 6667 on it and see what you come up with. And for the record, not even SSL is secure anymore. Additionally, IRC likes to wrap up all kinds of information about its clients and hand them out to any users by default (ie. whois). IRC6 http://www.irc.org/irc6.html I never claimed it was in the TCP stack. I'm not confused. Ironically I was going to ask you to post your seven layers of the model, but then I thought "any numbnut can google information". Again, I'm not saying you don't know what you're talking about -- but you're really going off the deep end insisting that IRC isn't insecure. And for the record, I never once said that the other protocols were any more/less secure. Though I do think that IRC has no place on a secure network. Other protocols have more control information and well-established signatures that can be filtered by IDS's. IRC does, too, but as you've pointed out yourself it is a different kind of protocol. You went through the trouble of listing out your certifications which apparently makes you a resident expert of security. So tell me, how many servers have you hacked? How many times have you exploited the IRC protocol? How many times have you done 'penetration testing' professionally?
It's supposed to be a plaintext chat protocol. That's kind of the point. I'd suggest you reevaluate your "insecure" judgement when you've developed a few IRCds yourself. Quote: You went through the trouble of listing out your certifications which apparently makes you a resident expert of security. So tell me, how many servers have you hacked? How many times have you exploited the IRC protocol? How many times have you done 'penetration testing' professionally? What? Why would I hack a server because I have some retarded certs? Quote: Hook your computer up to a hub and plug another computer into it -- then sniff out port 6667 on it and see what you come up with. Sniff port 80, change your forums password, and see what you come up with. Oh and maybe use a switch so your data isn't blasted to every computer on the hub and its uncle?
That only works if you're physically in between the the client computer and the modem.
xptek wrote on Sat, 30 September 2006 16:20 It's supposed to be a plaintext chat protocol. That's kind of the point. I'd suggest you reevaluate your "insecure" judgement when you've developed a few IRCds yourself. That is the point of the protocol: to be an insecure plaintext protocol. And because you have worked with IRCd doesn't make you a security expert on it. xptek wrote on Sat, 30 September 2006 16:20 What? Why would I hack a server because I have some retarded certs? I was making a point ... and that point was, that just because you know something about servers, services, or protocols doesn't mean that you understand the security risks with it. I, on the other hand, have done all of those things and have a lot of experience with "hacking". And not the script kiddie, "lets download a point-and-click port flooder" kind of hacking either. That doesn't count. xptek wrote on Sat, 30 September 2006 16:20 Sniff port 80, change your forums password, and see what you come up with. Oh and maybe use a switch so your data isn't blasted to every computer on the hub and its uncle?[/size] Dedicated servers are usually hooked up to their own port on a switch, yes. But ports can be mirrored, clients can be compromised, and you still have a protocol with no built-in security to stop things like 'Joe Anonymous' from whois'ing your IP/hosting/etc. information or sending you .exe's cuz you're a dumbass and you accepted the file. It's definitely not built to be secure. Thus why any intelligent host would be selective about how they permit the protocol on their network. Yoshimitsu wrote on Sat, 30 September 2006 16:22 That only works if you're physically in between the the client computer and the modem. You wouldn't be more wrong. ^^
Quote: That is the point of the protocol: to be an insecure plaintext protocol. And because you have worked with IRCd doesn't make you a security expert on it. It's not always plaintext, and the fact that it's plaintext doesn't make it inherently insecure. Multiple IRCds, btw. Quote: I was making a point ... and that point was, that just because you know something about servers, services, or protocols doesn't mean that you understand the security risks with it. I, on the other hand, have done all of those things and have a lot of experience with "hacking". And not the script kiddie, "lets download a point-and-click port flooder" kind of hacking either. That doesn't count. Oh fun. Mindtzar and I used to automatically root 1000s of Chinese/Taiwanese hosts back when we were nice and 'tarded. What does this have to do with the security of a protocol? Quote: and you still have a protocol with no built-in security I guess EV1 should disallow HTTP too. Quote: to stop things like 'Joe Anonymous' from whois'ing your IP/hosting/etc. Most modern IRCds have full hostmasking. I don't know where you're going with this one.. Quote: information or sending you .exe's cuz you're a dumbass and you accepted the file. IRC has no built-in file transfer method. DCC is not part of the IRC protocol.
I don't want to argue about IRC. This is getting a bit absurd. Have fun with IRC As for EV1, it is a matter of preference. You've stated your opinion (which was targeting Neron Hosting) and I've stated mine. Life moves on, I have better things to do with my day.
You could have just said "I lost this fight because I have no idea what I'm talking about. I need to educate myself in this subject further before a formulate an opinion on the subject."
actually, no, I'll only anger people by saying what I wanted to say