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EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Thank you EA, for paying for a site running a half-working WOL and using innapropriate pop-ups ads. Thanks for supporting a buggy, shitty ladder site that isn't any different from the 1000 other ladder sites online. Thank you so much!
creator: snipler
date: 2006-09-10T01:58:08-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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creator: Aprime
date: 2006-09-10T01:59:47-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: They need to take a moment and reconsider where they should drop their cash.
creator: snipler
date: 2006-09-10T02:16:46-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: You raise a good point, althought I don't suggest EA should be harsher on XWIS, just alil more moderation (but like they care anyway)
creator: trooprm02
date: 2006-09-10T02:22:04-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Moreover, Xwis' strike team shouldn't need advertisements at all. The servers that run Xwis are paid for by EA. They state they kept the adds to pay for sending costs for prices for the ladder winners. Considering Renegade still has no ladder and if it has, couldn't possibly be subject for a price winner for the ladder as Xwis does nothing at all about cheaters on Renegade (so a cheater could easely win the prices), I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY I WOULD HAVE TO BEAR WITH THE ADDS. As for clanwars.cc, a downtime can happen to anyone, I guess.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-09-10T08:58:59-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Why was my post deleted? Sure it didn't really focus on the topic but I find it strange that it was removed without any notice.
creator: light
date: 2006-09-10T09:25:23-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: lol.
creator: Sir Kane
date: 2006-09-10T09:36:41-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Quote: Thanks for supporting a buggy, shitty ladder site that isn't any different from the 1000 other ladder sites online. We had a good half hour's downtime. The thing about our ladder, compared to the original WOL ladder, is that when our ladder suffers brief downtime, game data is not lost - games are still reportable when the site is operational again. Our ladder VERY RARELY suffers downtime. It certainly suffers less downtime than the Renegade servers themselves, under either EA or XWIS's management. It also suffers downtime on a rarer basis than the official Renegade forums, the ones on which we are currently posting. The old WOL ladder suffered downtime and erratic behaviour on a weekly basis, and when it did, game data was lost forever and the only way you could get games added was - wait for it - on the unofficial Clanwars.cc ladder. Once again we're the only ones who can help you out clan-ladder-wise, just like we are now and have been for ten months and counting. As for it being "no different from the 1000 other ladder sites online", could you give me an example of a website that's been hosting a consistent Renegade league for as long as and with the same level of functionality and professionalism that Clanwars.cc has? Thanks, Spoony @ Clanwars.cc.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-10T09:47:52-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Goztow wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 03:58 The servers that run Xwis are paid for by EA. They state they kept the adds to pay for sending costs for prices for the ladder winners. Considering Renegade still has no ladder and if it has, couldn't possibly be subject for a price winner for the ladder as Xwis does nothing at all about cheaters on Renegade (so a cheater could easely win the prices), I DO NOT UNDERSTAND WHY I WOULD HAVE TO BEAR WITH THE ADDS. Indeed. At CW we have two prize brackets for winners - free EA games (EA handle that, obviously) and some C&C collectible items. I pay for those out of my own pocket, including the shipping, and have never asked anyone for donations or ads to support that cost. I'll also make damn sure they don't get sent to a cheater...
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-10T09:51:22-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: MaidenTy1 wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 02:47 It also suffers downtime on a rarer basis than the official Renegade forums, the ones on which we are currently posting. Funny, according to the logs that my monitoring software keeps, RenegadeForums and all other BHS sites have 99.81% uptime, leaving 11 hours, 6 minutes, and 53 seconds of downtime this entire year, INCLUDING the times when my own cable internet was down which would easily encompass most of that time. However, if you're talking about the 2-3 minutes of "hang time" every 2 hours, that would be because the database is locked every other hour, on the hour, for database backups, which are necessary to retain most of our data in the event that some child decides he wants to mess with us. What are your stats? Or do you even have them? Don't open your mouth and make accusations like that unless you're prepared to prove it. Availability Report Jan 09 2006 - Sep 09 2006 70.84.132.91 - http Availability: 99.81% Green Yellow Red Purple Clear Blue 24x7 98.85% 0.00% 0.19% 0.00% 0.80% 0.17%
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-09-10T10:01:51-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Crimson wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 05:01 Funny, according to the logs that my monitoring software keeps, RenegadeForums and all other BHS sites have 99.81% uptime, leaving 11 hours, 6 minutes, and 53 seconds of downtime this entire year That's more downtime than our renegade league has had this year. I can't prove this with statistics, but I know it for certain simply because I've been consistently overseeing. Crimson wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 05:01 Don't open your mouth and make accusations like that unless you're prepared to prove it. Rich coming from yourself, considering the amount of idiotic and baseless public accusations you've made about my website... that thread on XWIS would be an excellent example, as would be our recent conversation by e-mail about your ladder project. Another shining example, while we're on the subject of people messing with your forums, how about when you were absolutely dead sure that *I* hacked this site (and your proof was an irrelevant comment which you twisted and took out of context), and it turned out to be nothing whatsoever to do with me at all?
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-10T11:56:36-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: MaidenTy1 wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 06:56 blah blah blah. This is an attempt to make an arguement without the required evidence.
creator: snipler
date: 2006-09-10T14:19:54-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: You're a pathetic hypocrite. You're not only avoiding everything I just said, you also COMPLETELY fail to prove your original statement: Quote: buggy I've already asked you to justify this and you clearly couldn't. Quote: shitty ladder Again, I asked you to justify this too... again, you couldn't. Quote: isn't any different from the 1000 other ladder sites online. third time and you still can't back up a word you say... In other words, your entire "contribution" to this thread in regards to Clanwars.cc is Quote: an attempt to make an arguement without the required evidence.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-10T18:11:56-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Quote: You're a pathetic hypocrite. Is this to snipler or Crimson???
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-09-10T18:43:42-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Goztow wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 14:43 Quote: You're a pathetic hypocrite. Is this to snipler or Crimson??? If you would've read the first post that would be apparent. (snipler)
creator: xptek
date: 2006-09-10T18:49:45-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Personally, I think the main people to blame here are EA. Although, I do think that there are overreactions on both sides here, but I dont intend to join the argument. I just think things could be done better from all sides. Nobody is perfect!
creator: Jonty
date: 2006-09-10T19:20:18-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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creator: snipler
date: 2006-09-10T19:41:39-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Then again, I cant help but jump on the bandwagon... I really hate sites that cant be bothered to make themselves multi-browser compatible... And also, I dislike sites that are made almost entirely of graphics, like that one. I might have Megabit DSL, but they still break up the page while loading. This is probably just me griping though.
creator: Jonty
date: 2006-09-10T19:51:30-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: LOL Jonty. Btw, go OpenTTD. Just to touch off on this:
creator: snipler
date: 2006-09-10T19:52:57-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: snipler wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 20:52 LOL Jonty. Btw, go OpenTTD. Why, what an immense coincidence. Nevertheless, no. [/OT]
creator: Jonty
date: 2006-09-10T20:04:04-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: lol! I like that spiderman pic
creator: trooprm02
date: 2006-09-10T20:08:57-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: snipler wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 14:41 buggy On the grounds of half an hour's downtime? snipler wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 14:41 For those of you who think clanwars in the only ladder on the net THINK AGAIN. You either have severe difficulty with the English language or you simply are too ignorant to actually read what I'm saying. Try this statement of mine and read each word carefully. The key word here is an eight-letter word beginning with 'R' Quote: could you give me an example of a website that's been hosting a consistent Renegade league for as long as and with the same level of functionality and professionalism that Clanwars.cc has? snipler wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 14:41 ad usage I don't know how many times I need to rip this argument to little shreds before idiots like you realise you've been proved wrong... snipler wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 14:41 unclear layout What's unclear? You click the league you want to use... a chimpanzee could figure it out. You see where it says "Official Renegade"? I realise this is probably beyond your intellectual capacity, but clicking that link takes you to the Renegade League.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-10T20:18:59-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: I cant help but notice how you apparently dont mention the fact that the website doesnt render correctly in Firefox.
creator: Jonty
date: 2006-09-10T20:31:26-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Jonty wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 16:31 I cant help but notice how you apparently dont mention the fact that the website doesnt render correctly in Firefox.
creator: xptek
date: 2006-09-10T20:58:31-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Jonty wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 15:31 I cant help but notice how you apparently dont mention the fact that the website doesnt render correctly in Firefox. I use Firefox and it's always appeared correctly for me, so I really don't know what to tell you.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-10T23:26:38-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: snipler wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 13:41 You have no idea what you are talking about. If you had any knowledge of ASP.NET and how it works then you would know that that is a client side problem, and not server side. So don't go blaming the clanwars.cc server for a problem that is on your end.
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2006-09-11T01:12:46-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: I don't pretend to know anything about how to code a website, but our league was indeed down for a good half hour or so.... congratulations, he's right about ONE thing, if a little over-dramatic at the same time...
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-11T01:22:53-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Dave Anderson wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 20:12 snipler wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 13:41 You have no idea what you are talking about. If you had any knowledge of ASP.NET and how it works then you would know that that is a client side problem, and not server side. So don't go blaming the clanwars.cc server for a problem that is on your end. Actually if you had ANY idea what YOU were talking about, you would know that their IIS config file was fucked up and caused the downtime. See Maiden's post you fucking moron.
creator: snipler
date: 2006-09-11T01:29:08-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: I disaggree with all the rude comments towards clanwars. Shit happens, and if a site goes down, you can't really do anything about it, you can blame Intel for downtimes
creator: Matix
date: 2006-09-11T01:36:00-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: snipler wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 20:29 Actually if you had ANY idea what YOU were talking about, you would know that their IIS config file was fucked up and caused the downtime. See Maiden's post you fucking moron. If at first logic doesn't succeed, try anger!
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-11T01:46:46-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: snipler wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 19:29 Dave Anderson wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 20:12 snipler wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 13:41 You have no idea what you are talking about. If you had any knowledge of ASP.NET and how it works then you would know that that is a client side problem, and not server side. So don't go blaming the clanwars.cc server for a problem that is on your end. Actually if you had ANY idea what YOU were talking about, you would know that their IIS config file was fucked up and caused the downtime. See Maiden's post you fucking moron. Okay, I have to correct my own post here. It was a server side problem, but how does that contribute to clanwars.cc being crap? It doesn't. Every server has its problems one day or another, and its people like you who jump on it when these mishaps do happen. clanwars.cc is not crap, and atleast they are contributing to the Renegade community. If it wern't for clanwars.cc, there would not be a decent clan/ladder system. Aside from that, if you really think that clanwars.cc is complete and utter crap, I would love to sit back and watch you create a clan/ladder system like they have and prove to everyone that is, indeed, better.
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2006-09-11T01:53:40-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: They would prob hire somone to make a ladder 1/10 as sucessful as clanwars. clanwars is a very sucessful ladder system, which if I am not mistaken, has enough decency to have EA atleast donate to them, I want to see anyone get enough respect to get a huge company to donate atleast $10 to them. As for the advertisements, I really don't care, and I don't know if clanwars does have ad's or not, but if you have those kind of ads on your pc and no one else does, try lowering the ammount of porn on your computer
creator: Matix
date: 2006-09-11T02:10:16-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: EA supply us with hundreds of dollars' worth of prizes every month for players, and they (and we) ask nothing in return from the players other than that they behave themselves and follow the rules. Various other companies offer prizes too. I know it's "cool" to bash EA and everything, but what they're doing is brilliant. As for ads, we have a small google banner which takes up a fractional part of the league page, and they are typically related to gaming servers etc... therefore being of potential benefit to players. They don't impose, they don't pop out at you.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-11T02:33:39-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Basic marketing appears to be anything but brilliant to me.
creator: Aprime
date: 2006-09-11T04:06:11-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: LESS DISCUSSION, MORE PICTURE WARS.
creator: Ryan3k
date: 2006-09-11T06:05:45-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: xptek wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 21:58 Thats a different page. Oh, and Im not actually using MacOS there, thats Ubuntu with a MacOSX Compiz theme. Nevertheless, the firefox rendering engine is the same on Windows, Mac and Linux so I dont know where the problem is coming from...
creator: Jonty
date: 2006-09-11T06:31:48-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-09-11T06:32:44-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: moarrrrrrrrr
creator: Aprime
date: 2006-09-11T06:40:55-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Comrade wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 23:06 Basic marketing appears to be anything but brilliant to me. Then pray tell me: what do you do for the community that's better than this: Quote: EA supply us with hundreds of dollars' worth of prizes every month for players, and they (and we) ask nothing in return from the players other than that they behave themselves and follow the rules.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-11T06:49:07-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: How about patching the God damn game instead of wasting (not really, since you're buying into it) the money on cheap marketing tactics/moves (involves prizes and whatever else) to reinvigorate their image and augment their sales? (EA handing its services over to the community isn't something you should see as good in the first place)
creator: Aprime
date: 2006-09-11T07:02:00-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: MaidenTy1 wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 01:49 pray tell me: what do you do for the community that's better than this: Quote: EA supply us with hundreds of dollars' worth of prizes every month for players, and they (and we) ask nothing in return from the players other than that they behave themselves and follow the rules. Don't dodge my question. Thanks. As for EA handing services over to the community, well, putting aside the other aspects of "services" which have been handed over to groups such as XWIS and BHS, we are perfectly fine with handling the clan ladder. It's not simply a replacement to the original WOL ladder - it's better than the original WOL ladder, and I say that without a hint of ego or bias.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-11T07:08:23-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 02:02 How about patching the God damn game instead of wasting (not really, since you're buying into it) the money on cheap marketing tactics/moves (involves prizes and whatever else) to reinvigorate their image and augment their sales? I see you edited this post - and all I can say is, are you a communist by any chance? OMFG, A COMPANY WANTS TO PROMOTE A GOOD IMAGE OF THEMSELVES AND THEREBY INCREASE THEIR SALES, UNACCEPTABLE! They're doing a really, really good thing and you're belittling that generosity because it will improve their image? What the fuck? What would you rather they spent those hundreds of dollars a month on? Some form of advertising, perhaps? That would have roughly the same effect except for the fact players wouldn't getting free games
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-11T07:11:12-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: MaidenTy1 wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 03:11 Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 02:02 How about patching the God damn game instead of wasting (not really, since you're buying into it) the money on cheap marketing tactics/moves (involves prizes and whatever else) to reinvigorate their image and augment their sales? I see you edited this post - and all I can say is, are you a communist by any chance? OMFG, A COMPANY WANTS TO PROMOTE A GOOD IMAGE OF THEMSELVES AND THEREBY INCREASE THEIR SALES, UNACCEPTABLE! They're doing a really, really good thing and you're belittling that generosity because it will improve their image? What the fuck? What would you rather they spent those hundreds of dollars a month on? Some form of advertising, perhaps? That would have roughly the same effect except for the fact players wouldn't getting free games Yes, sorry about the edit, I wasn't expecting you to read or reply so quickly. No, I'm not a Communist, they have indeed the right to do this, you qualified their move(s) as brilliant, which is by far, false. Brilliant would be actual product support, and apart from the "new" (repackaged (or whatever the correct term is to define it) version of the recent one that excluded (yes) Renegade) version of the Level Editor (or those prizes, which are technically worthless), EA has failed their duty to support this game. "What would you rather they spent those hundreds of dollars a month on?" Read: Fixing the game. Sure we're doing a better job than they did, sure! But the truth is, it's not even our job, it's theirs. I feel bad for all the people who bought Earth and Beyond, seriously.
creator: Aprime
date: 2006-09-11T07:25:14-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 03:25 I feel bad for all the people who bought Earth and Beyond, seriously. hear hear.
creator: DreamWraith
date: 2006-09-11T10:18:34-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Ryan3k wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 08:05 LESS DISCUSSION, MORE PICTURE WARS.
creator: trooprm02
date: 2006-09-11T14:10:02-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Plz DO NOT speak bad about communism. Communists have done nothing to you, so you got no right to get them into all of this. Thank you.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-09-11T14:39:06-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Goztow wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 15:39 Plz DO NOT speak bad about communism. Communists have done nothing to you, so you got no right to get them into all of this. Thank you. DreamWraith wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 11:18 hear hear. Oh; and about the rest: I would definitely rather have EA fixing Renegade and making it better than giving out prizes to about 2 people every month, how about everyone else?
creator: Jonty
date: 2006-09-11T14:55:33-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 03:25 I feel bad for all the people who bought Earth and Beyond, seriously. Me too, because I bought it some time ago and when I finnaly wanted to try it(2 years ago in summer), it would no longer work. Well, at least I got it in a cheap bundle with C&C Renegade, Need for Speed(can't remember which one), and Freedom Force. How was the game anyway? Was it worth it?
creator: terminator 101
date: 2006-09-11T16:02:46-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 03:25 you qualified their move(s) as brilliant, which is by far, false. You don't think being able to win free games simply by playing a game you like is brilliant? Let's agree to disagree on that, but don't just say "it's false" on a matter of opinion. Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 03:25 Brilliant would be actual product support, and apart from the "new" (repackaged (or whatever the correct term is to define it) version of the recent one that excluded (yes) Renegade) version of the Level Editor I have no idea what you're talking about. Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 03:25 or those prizes, which are technically worthless ...worthless? Any game might grip you the way Renegade has gripped the majority of people on this forum at some point. I guess Renegade is "technically worthless" as well, then? Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 03:25 "What would you rather they spent those hundreds of dollars a month on?" Read: Fixing the game. Then why don't you get off your lazy ass and do something about it instead of whining? Draw up a proposal and petition EA about it. Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 03:25 Sure we're doing a better job than they did, sure! But the truth is, it's not even our job, it's theirs. Who's "we"? Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 03:25 I feel bad for all the people who bought Earth and Beyond, seriously. Again, don't know what you're talking about.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-11T17:49:43-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: You don't think being able to win free games simply by playing a game you like is brilliant? Let's agree to disagree on that, but don't just say "it's false" on a matter of opinion. Alright, but the fact is that the whole idea is similar to handing out t-shirts (and perhaps other free 'goodies') to people in a convention. "I have no idea what you're talking about." You can't possibly be serious. PlanetC&C Renegade SDK 14:02 PST | Dario | Print News | Mail News According to Red Alert: A Path Beyond (and later confirmed by EA's Predator at CnC Den), EA will be releasing a new Renegade SDK. Basically it's a rehash of the tools that came with BfME 2 (something that Saberhawk has already done in July), but officially released by EA. Who's "we"? Simply the community, isn't that rather obvious? "...worthless? Any game might grip you the way Renegade has gripped the majority of people on this forum at some point. I guess Renegade is "technically worthless" as well, then?" I wasn't targetting any game (hell, I didn't even know what they were (specifically) handing out to you, but I assumed it included t-shirts, games, etc.). Worthless because other than making a few morons happy and... Oh yeah, maybe it's brilliant after all, because they can get away with not doing their work, as it makes people like you apparently happy. Yes, we all know that online petitions work! About Earth and Beyond: They bought a game and what, like, a year after their purchase EA shuts it down (unprofitability leads to loss of support when consumers are dealing with Electronic Arts). I could compare this to Dell not recalling a certain battery from a laptop that is affected by the current "lol exploding battery" drama because it didn't get enough sales.
creator: Aprime
date: 2006-09-11T18:17:14-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: I want a free Renegade Mouse Pad! No, seriously, I don't want a mouse mat.
creator: Jonty
date: 2006-09-11T20:51:04-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 13:17 Alright, but the fact is that the whole idea is similar to handing out t-shirts (and perhaps other free 'goodies') to people in a convention. ...? What can POSSIBLY be bad about winning free games, and not having to expend any money or much effort in doing so, other than the minimal amount of effort that following the league rules takes? Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 13:17 "I have no idea what you're talking about." You can't possibly be serious. PlanetC&C Renegade SDK 14:02 PST | Dario | Print News | Mail News According to Red Alert: A Path Beyond (and later confirmed by EA's Predator at CnC Den), EA will be releasing a new Renegade SDK. Basically it's a rehash of the tools that came with BfME 2 (something that Saberhawk has already done in July), but officially released by EA. I meant what I said - I have no idea what this is, nor am I terribly bothered. Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 13:17 Who's "we"? Simply the community, isn't that rather obvious? You said "we're doing a great job of what EA are supposed to be doing". So answer my question: what have you done? Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 13:17 "...worthless? Any game might grip you the way Renegade has gripped the majority of people on this forum at some point. I guess Renegade is "technically worthless" as well, then?" I wasn't targetting any game (hell, I didn't even know what they were (specifically) handing out to you, but I assumed it included t-shirts, games, etc.) Free games of the players' choice. Simple as that. Surprising you saw fit to argue this far without knowing that... Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 13:17 Worthless because other than making a few morons happy and... So anyone who plays this game competitively is a "moron"? Is that what you're saying? Comrade wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 13:17 Yes, we all know that online petitions work! Worked for us on several RECENT occasions, so quit making excuses.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-12T06:14:27-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Jonty wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 15:51 I want a free Renegade Mouse Pad! No, seriously, I don't want a mouse mat. Hey, we (or more correctly: I) give those out too, and once again, ask nothing in return other than adherence to league rules.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-12T06:15:32-00:00

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description: 1. Can't be arsed, won't lead to anything. 2. lol 3. I was talking about the community as a whole, and as far as I know, I'm part of the community. I haven't done much that is worth talking about, but I've collaborated. 4. k. 5. If you see it like that, sure. 6. Good for you. One last request: take off your pants and bend over.
creator: Aprime
date: 2006-09-12T06:50:31-00:00

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description: Comrade wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 01:50 1. Can't be arsed, won't lead to anything. 2. lol 3. I was talking about the community as a whole, and as far as I know, I'm part of the community. I haven't done much that is worth talking about, but I've collaborated. 4. k. 5. If you see it like that, sure. 6. Good for you. It isn't obvious which parts you're replying to here... Comrade wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 01:50 One last request: take off your pants and bend over. Well, you sure know how to debate, don't you? Is this how you want to help out a dying game - by flaming and belittling those of us who are actually doing something about it?
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-12T07:04:02-00:00

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description: Running a ladder doesn't do anything to fix a game, or get EA to do it's job. It merely allows EA to NOT perform their job.
creator: DreamWraith
date: 2006-09-12T07:13:51-00:00

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description: DreamWraith wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 02:13 Running a ladder doesn't do anything to fix a game I don't claim to be "fixing the game", I said we were continuing to support a game even though it's old and buggy. I'm of the opinion that if people here spent less time bitching at EA and XWIS and more time actually making themselves useful in some way, everyone would be better off. DreamWraith wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 02:13 It merely allows EA to NOT perform their job. ..."allows"? We've had this league since... uh, I think summer 2002. I really doubt anyone from Westwood/EA has ever looked at our ladder and thought "AWESOME! We don't have to run a clan ladder now!" The Clanwars.cc Renegade league was set up, in part, because of the fact the old WOL auto ladder had so many things wrong with it.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-12T08:36:02-00:00

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description: MaidenTy1 wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 09:36 ... Interesting, I just realised you're from the UK and your ISP is Tiscali.
creator: Jonty
date: 2006-09-12T14:57:42-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: you want a biscuit?
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-12T15:02:32-00:00

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description: I wouldn't mind one, seeing as you probably won't give me the mouse mat...
creator: Jonty
date: 2006-09-12T15:10:08-00:00

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description: MaidenTy1 wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 09:36 DreamWraith wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 02:13 Running a ladder doesn't do anything to fix a game I don't claim to be "fixing the game", I said we were continuing to support a game even though it's old and buggy. I'm of the opinion that if people here spent less time bitching at EA and XWIS and more time actually making themselves useful in some way, everyone would be better off. DreamWraith wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 02:13 It merely allows EA to NOT perform their job. ..."allows"? We've had this league since... uh, I think summer 2002. I really doubt anyone from Westwood/EA has ever looked at our ladder and thought "AWESOME! We don't have to run a clan ladder now!" The Clanwars.cc Renegade league was set up, in part, because of the fact the old WOL auto ladder had so many things wrong with it. the problem with the old ladder is what they are getting at - because the oldone didnt work, you got it. this shows laziness on EA's part, cos instead of fixing the ladder, they just handed it over for someone else to deal with.
creator: futura83
date: 2006-09-12T17:58:46-00:00

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description: What has comrade aka aprime1 aka some other retarded name done? He's made shitty photomanipulations thinking he's clever or something he's visited these forums for years to spam and write stupid shit but hasn't contributed anything but grief He's made a bunch of failed websites with fashion-bitch graphics He's trolled forums and made a general ass of himself, not knowing anything about social interaction, whereas I choose to make an ass of myself because I don't want to be nice here... for the most part, anyway I think these forums would be better off without him but it's not my call.. i'm glad he's gzlined permanently from n00bstories IRC so he can't ruin it anymore with his putrescent sack of shit people call a "personality"
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-09-12T18:22:27-00:00

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description: the17doctor wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 13:58 the problem with the old ladder is what they are getting at hold on... are you saying people do want a clan ladder? I could've sworn nobody other than the clans in the Clanwars.cc league gave a flying fuck about providing clan support to Renegade. It's certainly the impression I've gotten from this forum so far. the17doctor wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 13:58 because the oldone didnt work, you got it. no... the old one was crap ever since I got the game, and we weren't the official league then... the17doctor wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 13:58 this shows laziness on EA's part, cos instead of fixing the ladder, they just handed it over for someone else to deal with. Who cares, if ours is better than the old auto league? Isn't that a little bit more important than who runs it? You're focusing on all the wrong details here...
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-12T18:26:13-00:00

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description: what im getting at, is, instead of fixing bugs, they hand things to the community. im not saying this is a problem that the community has control, but ea could have at least fixed all the bugs before they handed it over(bugs i am on about are things like the blue hell glitch and so on)
creator: futura83
date: 2006-09-12T18:30:35-00:00

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description: Aircraftkiller wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 14:22 What has comrade aka aprime1 aka some other retarded name done? He's made shitty photomanipulations thinking he's clever or something he's visited these forums for years to spam and write stupid shit but hasn't contributed anything but grief He's made a bunch of failed websites with fashion-bitch graphics He's trolled forums and made a general ass of himself, not knowing anything about social interaction, whereas I choose to make an ass of myself because I don't want to be nice here... for the most part, anyway I think these forums would be better off without him but it's not my call.. i'm glad he's gzlined permanently from n00bstories IRC so he can't ruin it anymore with his putrescent sack of shit people call a "personality" Wow, that sounds similiar...
creator: Ma1kel
date: 2006-09-12T18:35:49-00:00

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description: It sounds similar to you maybe?
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-09-12T19:25:31-00:00

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description: Comrade = retard Snipler = retard Pull your heads out of your asses
creator: Jimbo27
date: 2006-09-12T21:54:31-00:00

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description: Aircraftkiller wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 14:22 What has comrade aka aprime1 aka some other retarded name done? He's made shitty photomanipulations thinking he's clever or something he's visited these forums for years to spam and write stupid shit but hasn't contributed anything but grief He's made a bunch of failed websites with fashion-bitch graphics He's trolled forums and made a general ass of himself, not knowing anything about social interaction, whereas I choose to make an ass of myself because I don't want to be nice here... for the most part, anyway I think these forums would be better off without him but it's not my call.. i'm glad he's gzlined permanently from n00bstories IRC so he can't ruin it anymore with his putrescent sack of shit people call a "personality" Yes, all my other nicknames suck. I rarely criticize my own work. Stop pretending you know anything about me. I said it wasn't worth mentioning and the other websites have nothing to do with this, oh, and you forgot to mention the shit heightfield maps, oh, and I was never you moron, I even got in #n00bstories the other day by accident without anybody noticing. Also AIDS fairies. MaidenTy1 wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 03:04 Comrade wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 01:50 One last request: take off your pants and bend over. Well, you sure know how to debate, don't you? Is this how you want to help out a dying game - by flaming and belittling those of us who are actually doing something about it? The subject doesn't hold enough importance to me to debate over it, I think it's rather obvious. Anyway, I just contributed to something and I can't tell you what it is until it's finished. All I can say is that most people will likely enjoy it. And Jimbo: gg.
creator: Aprime
date: 2006-09-12T23:27:58-00:00

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description: the17doctor wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 13:30 what im getting at, is, instead of fixing bugs, they hand things to the community. im not saying this is a problem that the community has control, but ea could have at least fixed all the bugs before they handed it over(bugs i am on about are things like the blue hell glitch and so on) MaidenTy1 wrote Who cares, if ours is better than the old auto league? Isn't that a little bit more important than who runs it? You're focusing on all the wrong details here... let me put this as plainly as I can. Clanwars.cc is all about running clan ladders. EA isn't. Hence, we run clan ladders better than EA. They won't mind me saying that. So if they want a clan ladder run, why is it such a bad thing to engage the services of a group who can do it way better than EA could? I simply don't understand what your problem is with this. Comrade wrote The subject doesn't hold enough importance to me to debate over it, I think it's rather obvious. Evidently. You've only posted, what, ten times so far in a three-page topic? Comrade wrote Anyway, I just contributed to something and I can't tell you what it is until it's finished. All I can say is that most people will likely enjoy it. wow, the suspense is killing me. I wish I ever did anything important enough to have an NDA.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-13T03:52:17-00:00

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description: Comrade wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 19:27 Anyway, I just contributed to something and I can't tell you what it is until it's finished. All I can say is that most people will likely enjoy it. I can vouch for that.
creator: pvtschlag
date: 2006-09-13T08:27:05-00:00

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description: if it's anything like crunge then i doubt that highly
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-09-13T13:48:06-00:00

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description: MaidenTy1 wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 23:52 the17doctor wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 13:30 what im getting at, is, instead of fixing bugs, they hand things to the community. im not saying this is a problem that the community has control, but ea could have at least fixed all the bugs before they handed it over(bugs i am on about are things like the blue hell glitch and so on) MaidenTy1 wrote Who cares, if ours is better than the old auto league? Isn't that a little bit more important than who runs it? You're focusing on all the wrong details here... let me put this as plainly as I can. Clanwars.cc is all about running clan ladders. EA isn't. Hence, we run clan ladders better than EA. They won't mind me saying that. So if they want a clan ladder run, why is it such a bad thing to engage the services of a group who can do it way better than EA could? I simply don't understand what your problem is with this. Comrade wrote The subject doesn't hold enough importance to me to debate over it, I think it's rather obvious. Evidently. You've only posted, what, ten times so far in a three-page topic? Comrade wrote Anyway, I just contributed to something and I can't tell you what it is until it's finished. All I can say is that most people will likely enjoy it. wow, the suspense is killing me. I wish I ever did anything important enough to have an NDA. im not saying the problem is you, i am saying that the problem is EA, who wont fix a game that is really buggy, and probably will abandon all games they make once the games reach a certain age.
creator: futura83
date: 2006-09-13T15:12:54-00:00

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description: the17doctor wrote on Wed, 13 September 2006 17:12 MaidenTy1 wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 23:52 the17doctor wrote on Tue, 12 September 2006 13:30 what im getting at, is, instead of fixing bugs, they hand things to the community. im not saying this is a problem that the community has control, but ea could have at least fixed all the bugs before they handed it over(bugs i am on about are things like the blue hell glitch and so on) MaidenTy1 wrote Who cares, if ours is better than the old auto league? Isn't that a little bit more important than who runs it? You're focusing on all the wrong details here... let me put this as plainly as I can. Clanwars.cc is all about running clan ladders. EA isn't. Hence, we run clan ladders better than EA. They won't mind me saying that. So if they want a clan ladder run, why is it such a bad thing to engage the services of a group who can do it way better than EA could? I simply don't understand what your problem is with this. Comrade wrote The subject doesn't hold enough importance to me to debate over it, I think it's rather obvious. Evidently. You've only posted, what, ten times so far in a three-page topic? Comrade wrote Anyway, I just contributed to something and I can't tell you what it is until it's finished. All I can say is that most people will likely enjoy it. wow, the suspense is killing me. I wish I ever did anything important enough to have an NDA. im not saying the problem is you, i am saying that the problem is EA, who wont fix a game that is really buggy, and probably will abandon all games they make once the games reach a certain age. You don't know anything about business do you?
creator: Tiesto
date: 2006-09-13T15:22:48-00:00

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description: no i dont
creator: futura83
date: 2006-09-13T15:26:50-00:00

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description: Sorry, but so many of you retards who post on these forums simply cannot grasp the truth here. THERE IS NO OTHER LADDER THAN THE CLANWARS.CC LADDER. I can guarantee that NONE of you could send me a link to a working renegade clanwars ladder OTHER THAN clanwars.cc. Furthermore, the clanwars.cc ladder is fully functional. Allow me to expand on this. It has: 1. The BEST clans on renegade competing monthly for prizes. 2. Extremely easy to use and self-explanitory interface. 3. Excellent moderators/admins that process requests the day they are issued. Also, they have caught and banned several people for the use of radar hack (undetectable by RG) in clan games. 4. A flawless system of manual reporting that has been working with no problems for several months. 5. No downtime except on extremely rare occasions. I would know this as I visit the site daily. And I really don't feel the need to type any more. I don't know whether it's the fact that you're jealous of cw.cc, or if it's just simply ignorance, but for whatever reason, so many unintelligent and thickheaded people on these forums (including even Crimson, it appears) cannot grasp the fact that clanwars.cc is actually a 100% legitimate, working, intact website that serves every decent clan on renegade. For those of you who are so vehemently opposed to clanwars.cc, I suggest you try it out before you continue to judge it.
creator: Jimbo27
date: 2006-09-13T19:19:47-00:00

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description: Aircraftkiller wrote on Wed, 13 September 2006 09:48 if it's anything like crunge then i doubt that highly I'd rather you not look down your nose at my network or anything that my network is associated with.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2006-09-13T19:22:00-00:00

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description: Quote: that serves every decent clan on renegade I can positively say that is incorrect. Unless CW.cc serves every decent clan because a clan isn't decent if it doesn't play at CW.cc (in your mind). Then you are prooving your own point, which obviously for any intelligent being seems flawed.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-09-13T20:00:52-00:00

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description: 1) One only has to visit the cw.cc forums to see what the so-called "decent clan community" looks like. 2) There WILL be another ladder, I daresay it will be up within the next 3-4 months. This thread has been moved to the Hot Topics forum where it seems to belong.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-09-13T20:50:33-00:00

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description: this rofl:
creator: jnz
date: 2006-09-13T22:06:54-00:00

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description: http://www.CLANWARS.CC
creator: futura83
date: 2006-09-13T22:13:14-00:00

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description: he just pwnt himself....
creator: Matix
date: 2006-09-13T23:01:56-00:00

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description: If EA was actually going to do something in renegade, the last thing they would probably care to fix would be the clan ladder. So using the excuse that since there's an alternative ladder, they decided not to do anything to fix the clan ladder, is just pretty stupid. If EA really cared, they'd fix major problems like ob walking and what not. Also it does seem a bit strange that only after some YEARS of the clan ranking not working, it suddenly becomes a priority. I would work more towards the new RG than fixing the clan ladder when there's already an alternative. I mean I know it takes a lot of work to completely rewrite it or whatever you had to do, but I don't think the original RG took this long. Then again, that's just me. By the way there *is* an alternative to clanwars.cc - there's the league called ESL, which is primarily european, and one of the clans I know who was in it caught a clan cheating and the ESL admins did nothing. Oh wait, yeah they did, they banned the clan that exposed the cheaters. Awesome alternative. Don't know if it's active anymore, though
creator: Sniper_De7
date: 2006-09-14T00:50:43-00:00

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description: Goztow wrote on Wed, 13 September 2006 16:00 Quote: that serves every decent clan on renegade I can positively say that is incorrect. Unless CW.cc serves every decent clan because a clan isn't decent if it doesn't play at CW.cc (in your mind). Then you are prooving your own point, which obviously for any intelligent being seems flawed. I know for a fact that there isnt a single clan on renegade thats half decent that does not participate in clanwars.cc Name one that could compete with the clans on clanwars.cc. Then have them play us to back it up.
creator: Jimbo27
date: 2006-09-14T01:03:05-00:00

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description: Crimson wrote on Wed, 13 September 2006 16:50 1) One only has to visit the cw.cc forums to see what the so-called "decent clan community" looks like. 2) There WILL be another ladder, I daresay it will be up within the next 3-4 months. This thread has been moved to the Hot Topics forum where it seems to belong. A working auto-report ladder. In all honesty, that would be great. However, let's stop and reflect for a second on what you just said. "There WILL be another ladder"... Okay. That is then, this is now. For the next few months at least, clanwars is THE ladder. God, it must KILL you that EA actually endorses us. You seem so intent on killing clanwars.cc. (the sad thing is everyone automatically agrees with you) "I DARESAY...3-4 months"... You don't sound too sure of yourself on this. What even is the necessity for another clan ladder when the current one works fine? Look at C&C generals, for instance. It's manual ladder has been working for years. No reason that renegade's would fail. Let's be honest, Crimson. Your hate for clanwars.cc came from the early days when WL played CW in clanwars. I wasn't on WOL then, so I don't know the details. But I do know that some of the players from [CW] got on your nerves. Furthermore, you seem to get thoroughly irritated by a few "immature" people on clanwars, like wrs or soul for instance. Just ignore them ffs. The majority of people on clanwars forums are fine. We can all get along. I know we can.
creator: Jimbo27
date: 2006-09-14T01:18:18-00:00

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description: Crimson wrote on Wed, 13 September 2006 15:50 1) One only has to visit the cw.cc forums to see what the so-called "decent clan community" looks like. I never tire of hearing this bullshit from you, and the fact you simply do not realise how horribly flawed it is. Shall I copy-paste our recent email conversation about your auto ladder project? You said you'd love my help but didn't want to involve "the clanwars.cc people" on the grounds that they're all immature. Now, I challenged you to explain exactly who you mean by this - you couldn't think of a response, but I'll happily give you another go. It can't be the admins in charge of Renegade, because we administrate the Renegade league in a mature and professional manner. It can't be any specific player because why would you need their involvement? So what did your statement mean? If your entire anti-CW argument is based on the fact that there is a minority of idiots who use it, then by the same "logic" Renguard, XWIS, Gamespy, Renegadeforums.com and every single public server is equally guilty. Crimson wrote on Wed, 13 September 2006 15:50 2) There WILL be another ladder, I daresay it will be up within the next 3-4 months. Thank god. You've only neglected it for ten months and counting, so thank god. You never gave a shit about providing clan support to Renegade until I posted that thread on XWIS. Go ahead and pretend that's untrue, I dare you. Considering how often you've publicly stated that clans and a clan league are a waste of time, etc. It's plain to me that you couldn't give two hoots whether there's a functional league, you just can't handle Clanwars.cc getting rightful credit for something. On my watch as admin/overseer of the renegade league, there has never been a single 24-hour stretch where either myself or a fellow admin wasn't there to add peoples' games, answer questions, etc. Compare that to your ten-month stretch of utter neglect. Crimson wrote on Wed, 13 September 2006 15:50 This thread has been mo…
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-14T06:46:10-00:00

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description: Jimbo27 wrote on Wed, 13 September 2006 20:18 Let's be honest, Crimson. Your hate for clanwars.cc came from the early days when WL played CW in clanwars. I wasn't on WOL then, so I don't know the details. I do know the details, even though I wasn't around then. The absolute worst anyone from [CW] did was a little forum flaming. You'd probably be quite surprised about some of the stuff WL did... it's quite funny, some of it. Everyone, and I mean everyone from [CW] back then got over all the fucked up shit that WL did A LONG time ago. Crimson is still angry at [CW] even though they didn't do anything. Go figure. I withdraw my offer to assist your ladder project, by the way.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-14T06:47:30-00:00

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description: Jimbo27 wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 03:03 Goztow wrote on Wed, 13 September 2006 16:00 Quote: that serves every decent clan on renegade I can positively say that is incorrect. Unless CW.cc serves every decent clan because a clan isn't decent if it doesn't play at CW.cc (in your mind). Then you are prooving your own point, which obviously for any intelligent being seems flawed. I know for a fact that there isnt a single clan on renegade thats half decent that does not participate in clanwars.cc Name one that could compete with the clans on clanwars.cc. Then have them play us to back it up. Click at my siggy. And before you ask: HR challenged us and got beaten up quite badly. You asked me to name one, and i gave you one. We got beaten up by GW but then again: not many can say they haven't, can they? I remember MrPirate challenging us once but we never played him because we simply don't play people which show bad attitude. Sure, we play for fun, not in competition but we can put up a good fight against most clans. Ask PApirate. If you want to do a funwar with us, go to our forums and ask for one in a decent way, then we will arrange a date, time, number of players and maps. Might not be in a couple of days though, we try to keep it to 1-2 funwars per week and we already have some appointments. And don't give me the "I only play for CW.cc points" thing, please .
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-09-14T07:06:25-00:00

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description: Tbh even though I <3 Jimbo I don't agree with the whole "only Clanwars.cc clans are any good" angle. At least, I believe it is LARGELY true (though not completely) but I don't find it a very tasteful statement. He's bang on about everything else.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-14T07:10:30-00:00

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description: MaidenTy1 wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 09:10 Tbh even though I <3 Jimbo I don't agree with the whole "only Clanwars.cc clans are any good" angle. At least, I believe it is LARGELY true (though not completely) but I don't find it a very tasteful statement. He's bang on about everything else. You are probably right because exercice makes clans good but there are other ways to exercice, though you need to have many community contacts to get in contact with enough other worthful clans. clanwars.cc makes that easier. However, as anyone can join up at cw.cc, it's normal that you must also have beginning clans that aren't good. I think a statement like "you can find many good clans at clanwars.cc" would be more appropriate.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-09-14T07:15:30-00:00

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description: MaidenTy1 wrote on Wed, 13 September 2006 23:46 Shall I copy-paste our recent email conversation about your auto ladder project? You said you'd love my help but didn't want to involve "the clanwars.cc people" on the grounds that they're all immature. Now, I challenged you to explain exactly who you mean by this - you couldn't think of a response, but I'll happily give you another go. It can't be the admins in charge of Renegade, because we administrate the Renegade league in a mature and professional manner. It can't be any specific player because why would you need their involvement? So what did your statement mean? Maybe YOU need to check your inbox, because I replied to you and you never wrote back: Quote: ----- Original Message ----- From: Christine Korza To: spoony@clanwars.cc Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 3:34 PM Subject: Re: VPC Consultant I think you misunderstand me. I recognize that the people who have the most knowledge about clanning in Renegade are members of the cw.cc community. As a result, I had always intended to approach you guys for your input on this project. Hence, I'm glad that you are interested in this project. -Christine ----- Original Message ----- From: Will Rose To: crimson@blackhand-studios.net Sent: Wednesday, August 09, 2006 3:17 PM Subject: Re: VPC Consultant So "most of them" refers to a small minority who in no way represent the site, and that's why CW is unsuited for such a project? Stop me if I'm misinterpreting your statement somehow. Quote: Thank god. You're welcome. Quote: You never gave a shit about providing clan support to Renegade until I posted that thread on XWIS. Go ahead and pretend that's untrue, I dare you. 100% bullshit. You can't claim to know my plans or my thoughts. I don't like to announce things before they're at least starting to come to fruition. We are currently running a successful test of the new ladder system. All that's left is the database components. Quote: Considering how often you've publicly state…
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-09-14T07:15:40-00:00

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description: Oh, crap, I have to repeat myself again. I will continue to stand by my stance that the CW clan was in the wrong in their whining about the clan matches between WL and CW, and I will continue to agree that most of the members of WL were a bunch of crybabies. As soon as they had to actually TRY to win, they lost interest in this game. Their arguments were stupid, and good riddance to them. Can you please tattoo this on your forehead so I stop being accused of saying anything besides this?
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-09-14T07:19:22-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Sniper_De7 wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 02:50 Also it does seem a bit strange that only after some YEARS of the clan ranking not working, it suddenly becomes a priority. I would work more towards the new RG than fixing the clan ladder when there's already an alternative. As I say... Quote: You never gave a shit about providing clan support to Renegade until I posted that thread on XWIS. Go ahead and pretend that's untrue, I dare you. Considering how often you've publicly stated that clans and a clan league are a waste of time, etc. It's plain to me that you couldn't give two hoots whether there's a functional league, you just can't handle Clanwars.cc getting rightful credit for something. ^^ I challenge Crimson to refute this. The plain fact is making a clan ladder didn't even enter her mind until I made a thread on XWIS (who have made no efforts to create a Renegade clan ladder either) suggesting an endorsement for the Clanwars.cc ladder which was already in existence, seeing as how nobody else could be bothered to do it. Crimson tried quite surprisingly hard to stop this, although failed... mainly due to the fact her "arguments" were complete garbage. I think it was about a week later that she suddenly announced that she's always wanted to provide clan support to Renegade and is gonna fix up a new clan ladder, DESPITE her constant earlier statements that clans and a clan league are a waste of time. She didn't give a shit about the ten months of utter negligence Renegade's clan support status has had from those in authority. Yet when it seemed likely that a community she still has an irrational hatred of might get this honour, suddenly it's top of her agenda. I can put it no plainer than by saying she doesn't care about providing Renegade's clan support - she simply wants to take something away from Clanwars.cc.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-14T07:20:42-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Until you are privy to all the emails exchanged between EA, myself, and Strike Team, plus all the private chats between the BHS members, and and tape recordings of my conversations with Blazer, you'd better watch what lies you're spouting. I have ALWAYS wanted to get both ladders back up, and I have ALWAYS intended to post a thread on the CW forums asking if anyone amongst them wanted to consult on the project when it was time. There's a thing called priorities, and for now, there is a gap in Silent Kane's time where he was able to finish his part of the ladder project. We are currently running a test of the software which is creating text file dumps until the database components are done: [root@box logs]# ls -l -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 41646 Sep 12 13:37 game_a0000000_16218594.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 35216 Sep 12 13:54 game_a0000000_16219102.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 36263 Sep 12 14:14 game_a0000000_16219378.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 31397 Sep 12 14:30 game_a0000000_16219578.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 34975 Sep 12 14:44 game_a0000000_16219854.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 36226 Sep 12 15:14 game_a0000000_16220054.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 32977 Sep 12 15:27 game_a0000000_16220526.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 43001 Sep 12 16:02 game_a0000000_16220758.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 30269 Sep 12 16:11 game_a0000000_16221310.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 35716 Sep 12 16:26 game_a0000000_16221442.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 30241 Sep 12 16:37 game_a0000000_16221622.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 40528 Sep 12 17:12 game_a0000000_16221770.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 32257 Sep 12 17:27 game_a0000000_16222318.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 34089 Sep 12 17:48 game_a0000000_16222518.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 42848 Sep 12 18:23 game_a0000000_16222850.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 25684 Sep 12 18:32 game_a0000000_16223402.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 29991 Sep 12 18:44 game_a0000000_16223578.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 40264 Sep 12 19:20 game_a0000000_16223770.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 34506 Sep 12 19:35 game_a0000000_16224254.log -rw-rw-r-- 1 sk sk 29942 Sep 12 19:51 game_…
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-09-14T07:25:59-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: About the e-mails, all I find necessary to say is that you still haven't answered this question: Quote: Now, I challenged you to explain exactly who you mean by this - you couldn't think of a response, but I'll happily give you another go. It can't be the admins in charge of Renegade, because we administrate the Renegade league in a mature and professional manner. It can't be any specific player because why would you need their involvement? Crimson wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 02:15 Quote: You never gave a shit about providing clan support to Renegade until I posted that thread on XWIS. Go ahead and pretend that's untrue, I dare you. 100% bullshit. You can't claim to know my plans or my thoughts. I don't like to announce things before they're at least starting to come to fruition. Who do you think you're convincing here? Crimson wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 02:15 Quote: Considering how often you've publicly stated that clans and a clan league are a waste of time, etc. I did? When? all the time... Crimson wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 02:15 Quote: On my watch as admin/overseer of the renegade league, there has never been a single 24-hour stretch where either myself or a fellow admin wasn't there to add peoples' games, answer questions, etc. Compare that to your ten-month stretch of utter neglect. Well, on my watch as admin/overseer of the Renegade Forums, the RenGuard network, the n00bstories Renegade server, the n00bstories IRC network, and the n00bstories website, there has never been a 24-hour stretch where I wasn't there to answer questions or emails or private messages. Is that a worthwhile comparison? No, because I was talking about clan ladder. Crimson wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 02:15 Quote: Way to dodge my earlier statement directed at you, by the way. Sorry, but most of the time I can't bring up the energy to respond to shit when you seem to ignore that I ever said anything later. You didn't reply to my earlier statement at all. Crimson wrote on…
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-14T07:30:47-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Crimson wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 00:25 Until you are privy to all the emails exchanged between EA, myself, and Strike Team, plus all the private chats between the BHS members, and and tape recordings of my conversations with Blazer, you'd better watch what lies you're spouting. Lies? What lies? Crimson wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 00:25 There's a thing called priorities, and for now, there is a gap in Silent Kane's time where he was able to finish his part of the ladder project. I'm sorry, but "there's a thing called priorities" is hardly an excuse for a ten-month stretch of negligence. Where does Renguard 1.04 feature on the priorities? How long's it been since the bypass was released, a few months maybe?
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-14T07:33:23-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: by the way, here's what I meant by the "earlier post", which you did not respond to. MaidenTy1 wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 06:56 Crimson wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 05:01 Funny, according to the logs that my monitoring software keeps, RenegadeForums and all other BHS sites have 99.81% uptime, leaving 11 hours, 6 minutes, and 53 seconds of downtime this entire year That's more downtime than our renegade league has had this year. I can't prove this with statistics, but I know it for certain simply because I've been consistently overseeing. Crimson wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 05:01 Don't open your mouth and make accusations like that unless you're prepared to prove it. Rich coming from yourself, considering the amount of idiotic and baseless public accusations you've made about my website... that thread on XWIS would be an excellent example, as would be our recent conversation by e-mail about your ladder project. Another shining example, while we're on the subject of people messing with your forums, how about when you were absolutely dead sure that *I* hacked this site (and your proof was an irrelevant comment which you twisted and took out of context), and it turned out to be nothing whatsoever to do with me at all?
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-14T07:36:10-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: MaidenTy1 wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 00:30 About the e-mails, all I find necessary to say is that you still haven't answered this question: Quote: Now, I challenged you to explain exactly who you mean by this - you couldn't think of a response, but I'll happily give you another go. It can't be the admins in charge of Renegade, because we administrate the Renegade league in a mature and professional manner. It can't be any specific player because why would you need their involvement? How the hell can I come up with names when most of the members of that forum, from my limited observations, change their nicknames as often as they change their underwear? I can't answer this question. I can't give you specific names because I can't tell them apart. And I *DID* address this question of yours when I stated (NOTICE I AM REPEATING MYSELF AGAIN!) "I recognize that the people who have the most knowledge about clanning in Renegade are members of the cw.cc community. As a result, I had always intended to approach you guys for your input on this project." Quote: Crimson wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 02:15 Quote: Considering how often you've publicly stated that clans and a clan league are a waste of time, etc. I did? When? all the time... Now who's dodging questions? Quote: No, because I was talking about clan ladder. I fail to see where you're trying to go with this. Yes, I freely admit that I haven't been available at least once every 24 hours to respond to questions for a league that I don't run. Are you happy? Quote: You didn't reply to my earlier statement at all. What earlier statement? I'm getting tired of repeating myself. Quote: Request? I offered assistance for your benefit, not mine... simply on the basis that I know you don't have the faintest idea how to run a successful clan ladder. As for "you're the one who came to me, remember?", you're the one who posted a thread asking people to, remember? I don't have the faintest idea how to run a successful clan ladd…
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-09-14T07:50:45-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Crimson wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 03:50 How the hell can I come up with names when most of the members of that forum, from my limited observations, change their nicknames as often as they change their underwear? I can't answer this question. I can't give you specific names because I can't tell them apart. This is pathetic. If you cannot come up with one figure of authority at the Clanwars.cc Renegade league (and there are only three to select from) who is unsuitable to manage a Renegade league, then it's time to admit you didn't have a leg to stand on in the first place. And if your "clanwars.cc is not suitable to have something like this" angle is based on an individual player, rather than an official Clanwars.cc Renegade League representative, then by that sad attempt at reasoning, I could name one idiot who uses Renguard or posts here and conclude that every project of yours is equally unsuitable. Crimson wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 03:50 Quote: No, because I was talking about clan ladder. I fail to see where you're trying to go with this. Yes, I freely admit that I haven't been available at least once every 24 hours to respond to questions for a league that I don't run. Are you happy? where I'm going with this will be explained towards the end of the post. Crimson wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 03:50 Quote: Quote: Request? I offered assistance for your benefit, not mine... simply on the basis that I know you don't have the faintest idea how to run a successful clan ladder. As for "you're the one who came to me, remember?", you're the one who posted a thread asking people to, remember? I don't have the faintest idea how to run a successful clan ladder? Based on what? A wild hare in your ass told you so? Based on your complete lack of experience... but hey, prove me wrong. Crimson wrote on Thu, 14 September 2006 03:50 Quote: Crimson wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 05:01 Don't open your mouth and make accusations like that unless you're prepared to prove…
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-14T08:07:04-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Ooh, sounds like a hit a nerve. I think I'll wait until you've calmed down a tick.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-09-14T08:10:22-00:00

Re: EA's Officially sponsored sites
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description: Better idea: how about you do one of the following: justify your accusation, or withdraw it? I'll lay odds you can't do 'A' and you don't have the decency to do 'B'. Just like when you wrongly said I hacked the forums... Someone with a little more decency than you would've publicly said you were wrong, instead of locking the topic and hoping everyone would forget about it. I guess it would have been too much of a blow to your ego. You're never wrong... I'll be honest, I'm surprised you didn't delete the thread entirely.
creator: Spoony
date: 2006-09-14T08:12:19-00:00