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Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!!
i am so P***ed off with windows that i could lose all the work i currntly have just to get it off with my computer. reason? i couldn't list there is so many things wrong with the windows generation. first off windows is very unstable and crashes often, poeple can say this never happens but that is because they don't push like i do. to stop it crashing at the moment i have overclocked the proccessor to the max and it over heats regulary. i have enough spyware to give tell the whole us when i go to the toilet. i am going to install suse linux 9.1(i know it is a earlier version but i like it). i was wondering if there is a way to get rengaurd working with cedega. i was wondering if i run cedega twice once to run Game.exe and the second to run Game2.exe? cedega runs renegade very well. does anybody have problems with windows? EG: you have renegade running in the background with rengaurd, renegade server is up and then level edit wont run or windows doesn't even seem to try and load it or it brings up a white window? in suse linux if anything like that happens like the white screen it starts a crash handler that stops it *IMMEDIETLY* not it ten minits or an hour. also the multitasking on suse linux is incredible, nothing windows could match. although i need windows for 3dsmax i can use Vmware which is good and windows seems to be more stable running in it. ill post a screenshot of it later when i have everything installed.
Re: Windows/Microsoft has pulled the last straw!!!
I'm running Windows fine, currently my uptime is 5 weeks, 3 hours. I'm sure servers are up for longer, but as this is my home pc (And it isn't very good, still awaiting my new to arrive), I think its doing well.
nice. would you be able to install it on my pc?(or at least lend me the disk ) i used to run linux(suse 9.1). the only reason i switched back to windows is cos i put a new motherboard in my pc, and had to reinstall an os. i didnt have a linux disk knocking around, but found a windows one.
dead6re wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 19:38 I'm running Windows fine, currently my uptime is 5 weeks, 3 hours. I'm sure servers are up for longer, but as this is my home pc (And it isn't very good, still awaiting my new to arrive), I think its doing well. as i said in my post i could bet you don't push it as much as i do, i normally have:renegadeserver, renegade+rengaurd, VC++, HLBot, 2 or 3 windows for browsing various files running. sometimes the window bar(blue bar at bottom) is so full i dont dont know what is running and what isn't i try to close programs but i need them lol. i better make this short, the processor alarm is going off. also thing i like about linux is i will let you try to force it to do somthing EG: you want to write a CD and there is no cd in the drive. it prompts you and there is a option to force and if you click it, it will send the data to the CD drive to burn. i am still in the process of backing up so i wil have it installed in about 3 hours.
help-linux wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 12:35 i am so P***ed off with windows that i could lose all the work i currntly have just to get it off with my computer. reason? i couldn't list there is so many things wrong with the windows generation. first off windows is very unstable and crashes often, poeple can say this never happens but that is because they don't push like i do. to stop it crashing at the moment i have overclocked the proccessor to the max and it over heats regulary. i have enough spyware to give tell the whole us when i go to the toilet. i am going to install suse linux 9.1(i know it is a earlier version but i like it). i was wondering if there is a way to get rengaurd working with cedega. i was wondering if i run cedega twice once to run Game.exe and the second to run Game2.exe? cedega runs renegade very well. does anybody have problems with windows? EG: you have renegade running in the background with rengaurd, renegade server is up and then level edit wont run or windows doesn't even seem to try and load it or it brings up a white window? in suse linux if anything like that happens like the white screen it starts a crash handler that stops it *IMMEDIETLY* not it ten minits or an hour. also the multitasking on suse linux is incredible, nothing windows could match. although i need windows for 3dsmax i can use Vmware which is good and windows seems to be more stable running in it. ill post a screenshot of it later when i have everything installed. I've been running Windows for years and have not had any "unknown problems". All the problems I have had with my computer were caused by me, and I know it. I have never had problems with Windows crashing, nor running slowly. On the other hand, I don't see how you can possibly think overclocking your central processing unit is going to help. And if you have spyware/viruses and other things, you really need to be more careful at what you browse on the internet, or stop looking at all that pr0n.
Heh, we all have our moments with it I'd guess. I haven't had many problems in a long time, apart from Nvidia drivers causing memory dumps every now and then...and I do push it quite a lot. Anyway, in the end, it's not like the average gamer has much of a choice. That's what it always falls down to. I have about 30 games on my shelf (all legal retail versions by the way), and I might get maybe 30%-60% of them running on other operating systems with a lot of tweaking. Yes, there are emulators, and no, they're not stable. They also need a lot of tweaking to get the games working. In Windows, I install the game, and it just works. Expect this to be an even bigger "problem" when MS comes up with Direct X 10 (Vista only). I do have Ubuntu on my oldest PC, and I like it, but I don't like the idea of spending countless hours to figure out how to play a game.
like dan said, if you run windows through vmware, windows has major problems, all you have to do is delete the file it runs off and reinstall it. or, use cedega(it costs money - but i already have subscribed )
overclocking was need because windows coulnt run all those programs well as it needs half for its core. lol, i once installed windows. set it up so it was on the desktop, i went for my tea. 2 hours later(somthing come up) it would only boot into safe mode. what do you think of that? also that stupid thing microsoft come up with caled activeX controls just calls for viruses and spyware.
Scythar wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 20:11 Anyway, in the end, it's not like the average gamer has much of a choice. That's what it always falls down to. I have about 30 games on my shelf (all legal retail versions by the way), and I might get maybe 30%-60% of them running on other operating systems with a lot of tweaking. Yes, there are emulators, and no, they're not stable. They also need a lot of tweaking to get the games working. In Windows, I install the game, and it just works. Expect this to be an even bigger "problem" when MS comes up with Direct X 10 (Vista only). I do have Ubuntu on my oldest PC, and I like it, but I don't like the idea of spending countless hours to figure out how to play a game. as much as i hate windows i second that.
i loved linux when i ran it - i didnt even need to worry about viruses, and it ran so quick! since then i have improved my computer with new motherboard and put an AMD processor in it(alright, dan put them in )and it run amazingly better in linux than with windows.
the17doctor wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 20:18 i loved linux when i ran it - i didnt even need to worry about viruses, and it ran so quick! since then i have improved my computer with new motherboard and put an AMD processor in it(alright, dan put them in )and it run amazingly better in linux than with windows. it runs very fast on my computer as well, as it doen't have to waste CPU power loading grafix not to mention the ram it uses. i hope vista doesn't sell as that will need a powerfull computer run, if you had a duel core processor it would just be as fast as if it was on windows xp with a 333MHz intel processor.
the only problem i have with MS is blocking P2P ports....
help-linux wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 14:35 first off windows is very unstable and crashes often, poeple can say this never happens but that is because they don't push like i do. to stop it crashing at the moment i have overclocked the proccessor to the max and it over heats regulary. i have enough spyware to give tell the whole us when i go to the toilet. well that's really smart learn how to use windows, mine is fine
Jaspah wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 20:42 help-linux wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 14:35 first off windows is very unstable and crashes often, poeple can say this never happens but that is because they don't push like i do. to stop it crashing at the moment i have overclocked the proccessor to the max and it over heats regulary. i have enough spyware to give tell the whole us when i go to the toilet. well that's really smart learn how to use windows, mine is fine i know how to use windows i have had it (on and off) for 10 years. but linux truly rules over it
help-linux wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 16:08 Jaspah wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 20:42 help-linux wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 14:35 first off windows is very unstable and crashes often, poeple can say this never happens but that is because they don't push like i do. to stop it crashing at the moment i have overclocked the proccessor to the max and it over heats regulary. i have enough spyware to give tell the whole us when i go to the toilet. well that's really smart learn how to use windows, mine is fine i know how to use windows i have had it (on and off) for 10 years. but linux truly rules over it You were only 5. How can a 5 year old judge an operating system?
the only problem i can find with linux is it's lack of programs - which isnt too bad, and it's not exactly a bug, it's just people who create programs prefer to write ones for windows.
j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 21:12 help-linux wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 16:08 Jaspah wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 20:42 help-linux wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 14:35 first off windows is very unstable and crashes often, poeple can say this never happens but that is because they don't push like i do. to stop it crashing at the moment i have overclocked the proccessor to the max and it over heats regulary. i have enough spyware to give tell the whole us when i go to the toilet. well that's really smart learn how to use windows, mine is fine i know how to use windows i have had it (on and off) for 10 years. but linux truly rules over it You were only 5. How can a 5 year old judge an operating system? i knew my way around windows 98 then, i could even install it
Windows has made a habit out of easy installs. It's nothing more than point, click, and maybe type in your name, organization, and how to identify your computer to a network.
Windows is perfectly fine however you use it, and any Spyware that infects it is 99.9% the user's fault.
help-linux wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 16:42 same with the suse generation What's your point? My point is that you can't judge an Operating System when you're that young regardless if you know how to install it.
I agree with egg. Why do you run all those anyway? Is it necissary? If it weren't for Windows you would have porbably not got into computers. The only windows i've had problem with was on my old comp with Windows Me- but even then i lived through it for 4/5 years.
j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 16:08 help-linux wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 16:42 same with the suse generation What's your point? My point is that you can't judge an Operating System when you're that young regardless if you know how to install it. explain your point a bit more
before we turn this into flame wars because everybody is entitled to an opinion and i respect 99% of the forums members. i have just installed it took 15 minits. and it works perfectly and everything comes up strate away. just so you know, i didn't judge windows when i was younger because i didn't use it like then. but i remeber what it was like and i like windows 98 better than all of the windows generations. i will post a picture of renegade when i get Cedega installed.
help-linux wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 06:35 first off windows is very unstable and crashes often, poeple can say this never happens but that is because they don't push like i do. I'd say i've pushed both XP and 2000 pretty hard and they have coped very well. Anything before them though is flakey. help-linux wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 06:35 to stop it crashing at the moment i have overclocked the proccessor to the max and it over heats regulary. i have enough spyware to give tell the whole us when i go to the toilet. I'm sure there's a more sensible fix than OCing, and as for spyware you need tools to protect your PC, it comes with the territory. help-linux wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 06:35 does anybody have problems with windows? EG: you have renegade running in the background with rengaurd, renegade server is up and then level edit wont run or windows doesn't even seem to try and load it or it brings up a white window? Nope, never had anything like that. Some people just don't like Windows, just like I'm not a big *nix fan, but I use netBSD at Uni and this PC has been dual booted with Mandrake and SuSE and Ubuntu. I still go back to Windows because it's what im confortable with.
light wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 22:34 help-linux wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 06:35 first off windows is very unstable and crashes often, poeple can say this never happens but that is because they don't push like i do. I'd say i've pushed both XP and 2000 pretty hard and they have coped very well. Anything before them though is flakey. help-linux wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 06:35 to stop it crashing at the moment i have overclocked the proccessor to the max and it over heats regulary. i have enough spyware to give tell the whole us when i go to the toilet. I'm sure there's a more sensible fix than OCing, and as for spyware you need tools to protect your PC, it comes with the territory. help-linux wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 06:35 does anybody have problems with windows? EG: you have renegade running in the background with rengaurd, renegade server is up and then level edit wont run or windows doesn't even seem to try and load it or it brings up a white window? Nope, never had anything like that. Some people just don't like Windows, just like I'm not a big *nix fan, but I use netBSD at Uni and this PC has been dual booted with Mandrake and SuSE and Ubuntu. I still go back to Windows because it's what im confortable with. when i have the processor clocking at what it was normally at it would crash very often making the computer un-useable so i couldn't even backup. i had zone alarm security suit and that does work very well but some programs are not reconized as "viruses"
People who think Windows is a good operating system are nubcakes. You obviously have never used Linux before (especially with Xgl). I have both operating systems on a dual-boot. I used to use Linux full-time until a new compiz update messed up my key bindings. I was using the retarded quinnstorm version and I've just been too lazy to redo compiz... so I've been using Windows again for the past month or two. It's seriously a huge difference when you change your full-time operating system from Linux to Windows though. It's a big speed and stability difference. And yes, I do know how to take care of Windows, but you can only help it so much.
OS X for my sanity.
icedog90 wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 22:56 People who think Windows is a good operating system are nubcakes. You obviously have never used Linux before (especially with Xgl). I have both operating systems on a dual-boot. I used to use Linux full-time until a new compiz update messed up my key bindings. I was using the retarded quinnstorm version and I've just been too lazy to redo compiz... so I've been using Windows again for the past month or two. It's seriously a huge difference when you change your full-time operating system from Linux to Windows though. It's a big speed and stability difference. And yes, I do know how to take care of Windows, but you can only help it so much. Thank you, someone who understands me!
i sooooo cant wait to get back to linux!
it will probably take about 45 minits to get windows fully installed...unlike linux which installed in about 20 minits
the good news is, it dosnt cut off ur internet access
"to stop it crashing at the moment i have overclocked the proccessor to the max and it over heats regulary. i have enough spyware to give tell the whole us when i go to the toilet." Ever think that if you didn't make your computer run at a couple thousand degrees celcius that it wouldn't explode? Or about getting Spyware protection? If you screw hookers without protection, you get STDs, if you get the example.
lets change Scythar's sig from: "There's a hole in the sky through which things can fly." to "There's a security hole in windows through which viruses and other malware can fly through."
Windows is fine, there's really nothing wrong with it and if you can't get mulitple programs running, upgrade the RAM not the CPU. i usually have about 6 programs running constantly all the time for months on end and i've had no problems what-so-ever. The only problems i've had is: virus and...... erm...... That's about it.
here is a screenie:
icedog90 wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 17:56 People who think Windows is a good operating system are nubcakes. You obviously have never used Linux before (especially with Xgl). I have both operating systems on a dual-boot. I used to use Linux full-time until a new compiz update messed up my key bindings. I was using the retarded quinnstorm version and I've just been too lazy to redo compiz... so I've been using Windows again for the past month or two. It's seriously a huge difference when you change your full-time operating system from Linux to Windows though. It's a big speed and stability difference. And yes, I do know how to take care of Windows, but you can only help it so much. Windows is still a decent Operating System.
I wouldn't mind running Linux for the experience... but Windows is what I've used and know my way around.
Merovingian wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 15:54 Windows is fine, there's really nothing wrong with it and if you can't get mulitple programs running, upgrade the RAM not the CPU. i usually have about 6 programs running constantly all the time for months on end and i've had no problems what-so-ever. The only problems i've had is: virus and...... erm...... That's about it. icedog90 wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 14:56 People who think Windows is a good operating system are nubcakes. You obviously have never used Linux before (especially with Xgl). And the problems I have with Linux are... erm... umm... nothing.
Well, i've never used linux before, but Macs are getting good... i think.
no, you're right, Mac OSX is quite good too.
I run Windows XP and always update it, and remove those babyish colors, and make it so all those extra features are disabled, so I basically have a "Windows 2000" type of look. It also increases performance. And it runs fine. I just hate calling support to authorize my serial, lol. It always asks me to re-auth my serial for "additional hardware installed to my pc" lol. Thats prob the only con i have
icedog90 wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 00:52 Merovingian wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 15:54 Windows is fine, there's really nothing wrong with it and if you can't get mulitple programs running, upgrade the RAM not the CPU. i usually have about 6 programs running constantly all the time for months on end and i've had no problems what-so-ever. The only problems i've had is: virus and...... erm...... That's about it. icedog90 wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 14:56 People who think Windows is a good operating system are nubcakes. You obviously have never used Linux before (especially with Xgl). And the problems I have with Linux are... erm... umm... nothing. Owned! what i don't like is people that say they are used to windows and don't want to switch. well the version i am using (Suse) is very much like windows (expt all the benefits of the linux kernel)
icedog90 wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 19:52 And the problems I have with Linux are... Massive monotholic kernel. Dependency hell. Not easy to use for most users. Still prefer Linux over Windows, though.
Another con xp has is its gay GUI which eats up resources
the windows system32 folder, which i would class as the kernel is bigger than the linux kernel. the thing i like about the linux kernel is that it makes you wait when booting before you can do anything. this is good because you can't suddenly start throwing around commands while it is still loading and make it crash.
help-linux wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 01:07 icedog90 wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 00:52 Merovingian wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 15:54 Windows is fine, there's really nothing wrong with it and if you can't get mulitple programs running, upgrade the RAM not the CPU. i usually have about 6 programs running constantly all the time for months on end and i've had no problems what-so-ever. The only problems i've had is: virus and...... erm...... That's about it. icedog90 wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 14:56 People who think Windows is a good operating system are nubcakes. You obviously have never used Linux before (especially with Xgl). And the problems I have with Linux are... erm... umm... nothing. Owned! what i don't like is people that say they are used to windows and don't want to switch. well the version i am using (Suse) is very much like windows (expt all the benefits of the linux kernel) Well you can go with Linux, i'm going with Windows myself since it can use and run all of the applications i use today. If you don't properly know how to use Windows, why use it? Also, in my defence, i actually admitted i have never, ever used a Linux machine in my life, and have only just got to grips with Mac OSX.
macs are probably the best type of pc's you can grab you can have like shitty specs and still have excellent performance on it, too bad you cant run any games on it
Merovingian wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 01:12 help-linux wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 01:07 icedog90 wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 00:52 Merovingian wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 15:54 Windows is fine, there's really nothing wrong with it and if you can't get mulitple programs running, upgrade the RAM not the CPU. i usually have about 6 programs running constantly all the time for months on end and i've had no problems what-so-ever. The only problems i've had is: virus and...... erm...... That's about it. icedog90 wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 14:56 People who think Windows is a good operating system are nubcakes. You obviously have never used Linux before (especially with Xgl). And the problems I have with Linux are... erm... umm... nothing. Owned! what i don't like is people that say they are used to windows and don't want to switch. well the version i am using (Suse) is very much like windows (expt all the benefits of the linux kernel) Well you can go with Linux, i'm going with Windows myself since it can use and run all of the applications i use today. If you don't properly know how to use Windows, why use it? Also, in my defence, i actually admitted i have never, ever used a Linux machine in my life, and have only just got to grips with Mac OSX. lol, i wasn't saying that in a sarcastic way. it was funny, i couldn't resist. i have seen mac os everywhere but i have never got round to trying it. is it free?
Mac's are only built and designed with their counterpart machines. They make their own computers as well as make the software but Mac's are mainly used for media like video editing and music editing and stuff. Our school just got a PowerMac G5 for the studio and it's absolutly great.
icedog90 wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 01:17 I know how to use Windows just fine. That post was directed towards the last person that was in the quote. Sorry if i mislead you.
I want to get a mac so badly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hardly play games these days anyway, so when i wont play games, imma go on my mac those r only dreams tho lol
Icedog, you might know this. Does 3DSMax work on Macs? our collage is thinking about buying it.
Merovingian wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 17:21 Icedog, you might know this. Does 3DSMax work on Macs? our collage is thinking about buying it. Unfortunately, no.
Damn! Gona have to install Windows to a partition then and boot from that. See, something Windows can do that others can't.
it's not something Windows can do, it's the company making the program run on a certain OS. That has nothing to do with the OS itself.
Just FYI, the Intel Macs do have Boot Camp that allows you to run Windows (and any games) natively.
Macs now use Intel chips and can function just like any other PC if you so desire.
On MacOS: It's great, I run a quad-boot on my PC with XP, Vista, Ubuntu and MacOSX 10.4.6 That's right, you can run MacOS on pretty much ANY computer now! Just take a look at www.osx86project.org, it has guides and links to all you need to run MacOS on your normal computer (provided you have MacOS on a DVD, of course ) On Linux: It's great..etc. However, all the crapola about dependancies really does annoy me, if I want to install a program on Linux there's a good chance I'll either have to "apt-get install" the dependancies, or, because that's often not worked, find them manually on the internet and compile/install them. Another thing that annoys me is Xgl/Compiz. I have to admit, the effects are pretty cool, but only if you have a decent graphics card that someone can be bothered to make Linux drivers for, and besides, I hate anything that doesn't have Antialiasing nowadays. Oh, and it's far from finished, and plays Videos and other graphicky things rubbishly. On Windows: I don't see why everyone hates it so much! I have a Sempron64 3400+ with 512Mb RAM and I've probably had more crashes on Ubuntu/MacOS than on Windows. I've never had a single virus/spyware (Of course, that depends on the websites one visits!) and it hardly ever seems slow or sluggy without me accidentally putting an infinite loop in a script or something. All in all, I think Ubuntu and MacOS both have great potential, as does Vista, but, at the moment, there simply isn't enough worldwide support or programs to make them a completely viable solution for me. Therefore, I'll stick with what I got now. Although... Has anyone actually got Renegade/RenGuard/WOL working under Cedega? I don't like Cedega (Crap license, Open Source all the way!) but I do use it.
help-linux wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 14:52 dead6re wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 19:38 I'm running Windows fine, currently my uptime is 5 weeks, 3 hours. I'm sure servers are up for longer, but as this is my home pc (And it isn't very good, still awaiting my new to arrive), I think its doing well. as i said in my post i could bet you don't push it as much as i do, i normally have:renegadeserver, renegade+rengaurd, VC++, HLBot, 2 or 3 windows for browsing various files running. sometimes the window bar(blue bar at bottom) is so full i dont dont know what is running and what isn't i try to close programs but i need them lol. Lets see what programs... - IDA x2 (One for RenegadeFDS on windows, one for Linux) - mIRC x2( I should use just one but I don't) - RenegadeServer - RenGuard + Renegade - Visual Studio And my processor is only 2.40GHz
Jonty wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 08:58 On MacOS: It's great, I run a quad-boot on my PC with XP, Vista, Ubuntu and MacOSX 10.4.6 That's right, you can run MacOS on pretty much ANY computer now! Just take a look at www.osx86project.org, it has guides and links to all you need to run MacOS on your normal computer (provided you have MacOS on a DVD, of course ) On Linux: It's great..etc. However, all the crapola about dependancies really does annoy me, if I want to install a program on Linux there's a good chance I'll either have to "apt-get install" the dependancies, or, because that's often not worked, find them manually on the internet and compile/install them. Another thing that annoys me is Xgl/Compiz. I have to admit, the effects are pretty cool, but only if you have a decent graphics card that someone can be bothered to make Linux drivers for, and besides, I hate anything that doesn't have Antialiasing nowadays. Oh, and it's far from finished, and plays Videos and other graphicky things rubbishly. On Windows: I don't see why everyone hates it so much! I have a Sempron64 3400+ with 512Mb RAM and I've probably had more crashes on Ubuntu/MacOS than on Windows. I've never had a single virus/spyware (Of course, that depends on the websites one visits!) and it hardly ever seems slow or sluggy without me accidentally putting an infinite loop in a script or something. All in all, I think Ubuntu and MacOS both have great potential, as does Vista, but, at the moment, there simply isn't enough worldwide support or programs to make them a completely viable solution for me. Therefore, I'll stick with what I got now. Although... Has anyone actually got Renegade/RenGuard/WOL working under Cedega? I don't like Cedega (Crap license, Open Source all the way!) but I do use it. i got renegade working on cedega with WOL. unfortunately, i couldnt install RG, as the way cedega installs programs is it creates a new virtual c: drive for all the games instead of just installing them to the same virtual drive.
Teh-Pwnerer wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 20:19 I want to get a mac so badly!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hardly play games these days anyway, so when i wont play games, imma go on my mac those r only dreams tho lol you do know that there is software for mac called boot camp, you can run pretty much any windows/linux software in it, and since i know you can afford it, you may as well do that http://www.apple.com/macosx/bootcamp/ also, there are some games you can play on mac. WoW, I think UT as well, there are many more, just don't remember them.
Jonty wrote on Fri, 08 September 2006 23:58 On MacOS: It's great, I run a quad-boot on my PC with XP, Vista, Ubuntu and MacOSX 10.4.6 That's right, you can run MacOS on pretty much ANY computer now! Just take a look at www.osx86project.org, it has guides and links to all you need to run MacOS on your normal computer (provided you have MacOS on a DVD, of course ) On Linux: It's great..etc. However, all the crapola about dependancies really does annoy me, if I want to install a program on Linux there's a good chance I'll either have to "apt-get install" the dependancies, or, because that's often not worked, find them manually on the internet and compile/install them. Another thing that annoys me is Xgl/Compiz. I have to admit, the effects are pretty cool, but only if you have a decent graphics card that someone can be bothered to make Linux drivers for, and besides, I hate anything that doesn't have Antialiasing nowadays. Oh, and it's far from finished, and plays Videos and other graphicky things rubbishly. On Windows: I don't see why everyone hates it so much! I have a Sempron64 3400+ with 512Mb RAM and I've probably had more crashes on Ubuntu/MacOS than on Windows. I've never had a single virus/spyware (Of course, that depends on the websites one visits!) and it hardly ever seems slow or sluggy without me accidentally putting an infinite loop in a script or something. All in all, I think Ubuntu and MacOS both have great potential, as does Vista, but, at the moment, there simply isn't enough worldwide support or programs to make them a completely viable solution for me. Therefore, I'll stick with what I got now. Although... Has anyone actually got Renegade/RenGuard/WOL working under Cedega? I don't like Cedega (Crap license, Open Source all the way!) but I do use it. If ubuntu messes up on you, it's because you set it up wrong. I have Xgl and I can run MULTIPLE H.264 videos at decent resolutions and overlap them, make them transparent, and do all kinds of other stuff with them and they don't lag. In Windows, ONE H.264 video that is a pretty decent resolution will lag a whole lot for me. There's nothing more to say here. I don't see what's wrong with apt-get install. It works perfectly fine for me. I think it's nice because I can easily find a free program with a package manager, instead of having to search Google (and most likely find a trial).
icedog90 wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 09:33 I have Xgl and I can run MULTIPLE H.264 videos at decent resolutions and overlap them, make them transparent, and do all kinds of other stuff with them and they don't lag. In Windows, ONE H.264 video that is a pretty decent resolution will lag a whole lot for me. There's nothing more to say here. Question is, do I want to run multiple overlapped transparent H.234 videos? EDIT: Nevertheless, I'm interested. Do you have an nVidia card? I have a GeForce 6200, I can run a HD video *fairly* fine in XP, but in Xgl I can't seem to find a working video output thingy. Then again, I haven't tried for a few months now, there's probably been a few thousand updates.
You mean H.264. H.264 is probably the best video compressing codec out there right now and it is very powerful. It uses a crapload of CPU to decode. I have a Geforce 6800. I used to have problems getting video to work in Xgl/compiz, but after a new version of Ubuntu it randomly seemed to work fine. Remember though, Xgl is totally new and it's not even in beta.
do you like these apples?
icedog90 wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 09:55 You mean H.264. H.264 is probably the best video compressing codec out there right now and it is very powerful. It uses a crapload of CPU to decode. Yes, It'll take me quite a long time to get that right. Anyways, I'm installing Xgl and compiz now. Hopefuly, the videos will work better on Dapper than they did on Breezy... On Cedega: Every time I try to install Renegade, I set everything up but when the installer's actually supposed to start nothing seems to happen. Do I have to try and use that non-graphical installer someone made, or is my computer b0rked? Also, is everyone here using KDE, or are there some GNOME users other than me? EDIT: OK, I changed some things, and now I can get as far as installing the game. However, when it actally starts copying the files, it says that "TDBERR" is copying and locks up before the little rotating soldier appears, so I still can't finish the install.
I use Gnome. just so you know, you can't count on getting Renegade to work in Cedega if you have Xgl/compiz. Because right now direct rendering is not supported in Xgl. But if the nVIDIA drivers for Xorg 7.1 EVER COME OUT, then that will change. I can't even believe ATi released Linux drivers for Xorg 7.1 before nVIDIA.
renegade does work in cedega, but only after i installed the nvidia drivers
oh, sorry
There are pros and cons to every operating system. Being a network security analyst I know many of the geek details to many operating systems and I can honestly say that Windows is one hell of a resource waster. HOWEVER, *nix hasn't seemed to have developed yet. At least in the last fear years you have WINE and other emmulations and a greater drive for people to develop compatibility with games and such. Unix is a nice system if you're doing anything that doesn't require a great deal of compatibility or requires a great deal of security. Windows is pretty much the opposite. I hear people bash Windows all the time, but they don't consider things like the brilliance of developing a user friendly GUI for an operating system; or how far Microsoft has gone to develop cross-platform technologies. Though I'm not a huge M$ fan in general, I am not sold on *nix quite yet either. It still needs more development. You may not like M$ in general - or perhaps it is just a hate for their Windows OS product line, but before you go bashing Windows consider that many people use it for the simple fact that there isn't much that can challenge it right now.
I agree with fl00d3d, oh, and Wine Is Not an Emulator
I wasn't saying it was, but I was suggesting that it is similar to products like VMware which is. WINE is simliar in the sense that it allows you to "emulate" an operating system on top of an operating system -- you know what I mean
I don't bash Windows mindlessly, nor do I bash the living hell out of it. It may seem like I'm one of those band riders that love Linux and hate Microsoft, but I'm not trying to be like everyone else. It's not because someone told me so, it's because I use both and I've figured out myself. Yes, Linux is still in development, but it's impressive where it's at right now and how it is still getting better. The distro I use noticeably gets better monthly. Plus, it's free.
icedog90 wrote on Sat, 09 September 2006 22:00 just so you know, you can't count on getting Renegade to work in Cedega if you have Xgl/compiz. Because right now direct rendering is not supported in Xgl. But if the nVIDIA drivers for Xorg 7.1 EVER COME OUT, then that will change. I can't even believe ATi released Linux drivers for Xorg 7.1 before nVIDIA. Aha, I got around that problem by creating an Xgl server at tty7 with compiz etc. and a normal Xorg server at tty8, both at the same time. That way, I can use tty8 for stuff that needs Direct Rendering, and tty7 for everything else. It doesnt create a noticeable performance decrease, either. My problem still remains, though. (the one where the installer crashes as it starts to copy the files) How did you people go about installing it? If I can get Renegade to work here, who knows, I might be able to get rid of Windows altogether!
Yeah, I wanted to do that but I couldn't figure it out for some reason. I'm definitely not a guru...
icedog90 wrote on Sun, 10 September 2006 18:17 I'm definitely not a guru... Well, neither am I ( ) but if you have Ubuntu (well, I guess this will work on other distros) then I used this guide. Still got to make it install, though.
How much FPS did you get playing renegade on linux?
I got a chance to participate in the London Imperial College annual software developer showcase. They had several mainstream developers there show, some of which were discussing how the new upcoming Linux updates were shaping up. You'll be surprised how many problems and issues they ran in to. Linux is very powerful and bus friendly when controling data but it lacks the robustness that Windows has. Windows 2003 is a very stable operating system, that and the fact it is actually a better environment to design and develop software in than Linux. I use both platforms extensively, both have their uses and in my opinion there is no better operating system; they are both tools, and all tools are useful in given situation. Also regarding the overclocking the processor to ensure stability. You'd gain 5% real-world difference in performance in Windows, Windows uses very little processing cycle time as it is, instead Windows consumes your memory. I was even talking to someone from the animation team this morning and they laughed when I mentioned your claim at overclocking to remain stable. At work, I have 4 Windows platforms for developing different software, one is dual core and overclocked. At home I have a phase-cooled AMD Athlon 64 X2 FX62 running 24/7 at 3.4 GHz. I notice no difference in multi-tasking or running any real-world applications; even then I only notice a difference in FPS.
I'm sorry, but according to my experiences with using Windows XP and Linux, I've had better results in Linux with just about everything. The only thing that's really lame in my opinion is that video editing on Linux just doesn't really exist.
ADM wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 16:32 I got a chance to participate in the London Imperial College annual software developer showcase. They had several mainstream developers there show, some of which were discussing how the new upcoming Linux updates were shaping up. You'll be surprised how many problems and issues they ran in to. Linux is very powerful and bus friendly when controling data but it lacks the robustness that Windows has. Windows 2003 is a very stable operating system, that and the fact it is actually a better environment to design and develop software in than Linux. I use both platforms extensively, both have their uses and in my opinion there is no better operating system; they are both tools, and all tools are useful in given situation. Also regarding the overclocking the processor to ensure stability. You'd gain 5% real-world difference in performance in Windows, Windows uses very little processing cycle time as it is, instead Windows consumes your memory. I was even talking to someone from the animation team this morning and they laughed when I mentioned your claim at overclocking to remain stable. At work, I have 4 Windows platforms for developing different software, one is dual core and overclocked. At home I have a phase-cooled AMD Athlon 64 X2 FX62 running 24/7 at 3.4 GHz. I notice no difference in multi-tasking or running any real-world applications; even then I only notice a difference in FPS. you (or anyone) can laugh all you want because it made it fast enough to backup all my stuff. i tryed before overclocking and it wouldn't do it. it just kept locking up. with linux, if a program locks up i can go into runlevel 3 and stop its process. if it crashes in windows there is not much you can do exept wait for task maniger to come up.
help-linux wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 21:38 with linux, if a program locks up i can go into runlevel 3 and stop its process. if it crashes in windows there is not much you can do exept wait for task maniger to come up. That said, I've had more than one occasion where I couldn't switch to Runlevel 3/another vterm and killall a process, for whatever reason...
should always have a terminal-window available
Linux requires you to become a console junky... hehe.
icedog90 wrote on Mon, 11 September 2006 21:55 Linux requires you to become a console junky... hehe. lol, i prefer the terminal to a gui. it allows you to run the program from telnet
I might have a solution for the cant install renegade thingy in linux, but I don't know wheter or not you can emulate/import registery files as that will be neacetary 1. Make sure you already have a renegade install. 2. Edit the registery files to contain the serial and the right game path. 3. Import the registery settings. Then I guess it should work, atleast thats how I installed renegade here on windows
Renegade with Wine: http://forums.black-cell.net/index.php?topic=4776.0
Those definitely helped, and I can actually get into Renegade now ( ), but I still can't log on to XWIS, I get the "invalid serial" error. I've tried putting the right registry keys pretty much everywhere, running the Serial Changer under Wine, and probably a lot more, but I can't seem to get it to work...
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i am posting here to say, that i went back to windows (on this computer). but after a few days, it has started locking up. so i cant do anything or anything i was doing(that is not saved) is lost. im going back to linux, and i have also seen that crappysoft are going to do something about pirates.
Depending on how you use Windows, and the version you use will ultimately effect it's security. I've been using windows for 7 years now and not once has it spontaneously crashed with no cause. You must be calling for more resources than windows can handle. Download and install Vista RC1 on a small test machine and use that for whatever, Maybe the Fraps and Vegas video editing software you called for?
your right...in all my life windows has never crashed without a unown cause. but i have had it with the amount of crap i get from it. take this for example: i was installing VMWare while i was playing world of warcraft, WoW doesn't take much to run...it uses the same priciple as renegade in redering terain etc... (although i dont know much about it, the charater and the terain the look suprisinly similar) as soon as the installer took too much of the CPU it completely locked up, i couldn't even turn it off (using acpi). i has to cut the power. it gets very slow when trying to do 2 tasks like open IE while starting endorphin for example, IE will be up straight away normally. now, here is where linux completly overules windows: 1) if there is a lockup like then WoW crashed KDE will come in and save you. if KDE crashes, press F2 or ctrl+F2 (i can't rember exacly) and your in the completly in the kernel. you can do "ps aux | grep "programname" then do "kill process id" to kill it. then restart "x". 2) the windows task maniger is too primitive, if the computer locks up you can't kill anything because there is a chance taskmaniger will crash(that has happend many times). 3) linux doesn't have a "Windows error" that tell nothing about what has happend, and if you "Send" you get no support anyway. linux wil tall you about what has actully happend with a program and will kill it FOR you. 4) most newer disros are VERY userfreindly and come ready for a simple user to use. 5) linux is very powerfull, stable, reliable and best of all FREE! 6) linux is very custimiseable, you see something in a program you don't like or you want the kernel to load something that you have written, no problem! the sources are avaliable for download and it is EASY to complile and replace the old kernel. 7) more secure, the disro that i use comes with a exelent firewall, i never have problems with "hackers". viruses, becuase most veruses these days are active-x on website people just install them not knowing what they are doing, although viruses are a threat because of the way the linux kernel works it would take a hacker or a incredible stupid user to install one. linux disadvantages: 1) not many programs (like games and newwer, cpu intensive stuff) arer not made for linux. 2) programs need dependancys and some can be very hard to find. 3) some programs are hard to install, most need to be done from the command line but commands just need to be learnt. windows advantages: 1) alot of programs are made for it. 2) programs are easy to install windows disadvantages: 1) VIRUSES, HACKERS...very easy to get into a windows machine. 2) not as user freindly as you think, how do i stop people from going into a folder IE they need a password? 3) windows costs 80 bucks. 4) windows is all about presentaion using valuable RAM for "fancy" pictures and animations (this also uses CPU to load them) 5) windows assumes the user is extremly stupid and pops up with messages saying "you need to restart your computer" why? why do i need to restart my computer...then it does it anyway and you lose an hours worth of work. (this has happend many times for me) 6) windows multitaking is diabolical. 7) you cant change how the "innards" of it work everything you do on windows is ilegal 9) nothing (with the exeption of 1 in 10000 programs are open source) 10) the list goes on and on and on and on.