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mrpirate wrote on Sun, 13 August 2006 17:46 yes
Quote: Vikings > Pirates. Only because my fathers side of the family descends from a Viking King.
It has already been established that pirates are better than ninjas.
Ninjas are better
You guys are crazy. Ninjas beat pirates if the pirate is off-guard. Pirates beat ninjas in the open sea. Vikings beat both pirates and ninjas combined, always, since they rule much harder on the ocean than a pirate, and raping and pilliaging beats hiding in the shadows. Not to meantion the Vikings have the superior horned-helm of protection. You could drop a bunker-buster on that thing and it still wouldn't kill it's wearer. Long story short, Vikings own.
http://www.drmcninja.com/page.php?issue=2
Well, pirates drink all day long.
So do Vikings. In fact, Vikings can't stop drinking, ever, since they drink out of conch shells, so somebody has to be holding the conch full of booze, since it can't be set down because of it's lack of a flat bottom.
Heavy. I still say pirates are better.
Die ninja scum
i dont use limewire and a few web sites download... next topic! lol
Dover wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 05:29 You guys are crazy. Ninjas beat pirates if the pirate is off-guard. Pirates beat ninjas in the open sea. Vikings beat both pirates and ninjas combined, always, since they rule much harder on the ocean than a pirate, and raping and pilliaging beats hiding in the shadows. Not to meantion the Vikings have the superior horned-helm of protection. You could drop a bunker-buster on that thing and it still wouldn't kill it's wearer. Long story short, Vikings own. Dover has a point.
You're thinking of the wrong Vikings. The Vikings you're talking about are from Minnosota and wear tights for a living. The Vikings I'm talking about raised an empire from Spain to Russia, chopping people in half across the way with axes. In all of history, you will never find a more fearsome group of badasses than the vikings. Not to meantion that Vikings are, by nature, tactical geniuses. Vikings invented the flanking manuever, and argueably blitzkrieg as well. Vikings FTW.
Pirates > Ninjas. Cutlass + pistol + rum + never bathing + stealing French money + not paying taxes = win
you forgot the wenches damn it
Dover wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 07:43 You're thinking of the wrong Vikings. The Vikings you're talking about are from Minnosota and wear tights for a living. The Vikings I'm talking about raised an empire from Spain to Russia, chopping people in half across the way with axes. In all of history, you will never find a more fearsome group of badasses than the vikings. Not to meantion that Vikings are, by nature, tactical geniuses. Vikings invented the flanking manuever, and argueably blitzkrieg as well. Vikings FTW. Tights are not equal to Football pants. Not even close.
Pirates own ninjas. Pirates also own Vikings. Viking pirate ninjas, however, own all of the above.
NukeIt15 wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 21:40 Pirates own ninjas. Pirates also own Vikings. Viking pirate ninjas, however, own all of the above. agreed
Knives & bladed weapons are just as dangerous as pistols within their effective ranges; some would say they are even more dangerous at close range since they 1)are more easily concealed; 2)make no noise when they are "fired"; 3)don't run out of bullets; 4)don't have to be reloaded; and a number of other reasons. Ninjas are experts at getting close enough to smell their victims' deodorant without being noticed. They're also experts with knives and swords. Ninjas win.
Hydra wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 18:57 Knives & bladed weapons are just as dangerous as pistols within their effective ranges; some would say they are even more dangerous at close range since they 1)are more easily concealed; 2)make no noise when they are "fired"; 3)don't run out of bullets; 4)don't have to be reloaded; and a number of other reasons. Ninjas are experts at getting close enough to smell their victims' deodorant without being noticed. They're also experts with knives and swords. Ninjas win. But you're not killing Spanish and stealing their treasures. Also, ninjas have to be silent. Pirates can be loud, obnoxious, and dangerous all at the same time. Sure, ninjas are better at stealth, but the overall factors point in the direction of the pirates. Not to mention, pirates also conceal swords.
So what if a ninja sneaks up on a pirate?
The ninja will fall unconscious thanks to the pirate's smell.
Not if he's wearing a mouth ....mask.....thing.
If a ninja sneaks up behind a pirate, he'll be seen by other pirates. Pirates aren't independant. They have their crews.
What if there are lots of ninjas? One for each pirate!
Dave Mason wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 20:10 What if there are lots of ninjas? One for each pirate! There'd be no way. They'd have to stow away on the ship after docking, and that won't happen as the pirates will be stocking the ship full of rum and food.
j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 15 August 2006 01:23 Dave Mason wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 20:10 What if there are lots of ninjas? One for each pirate! There'd be no way. They'd have to stow away on the ship after docking, and that won't happen as the pirates will be stocking the ship full of rum and food. At which point, the ninjas attack while they're off guard, slaugtering them all. No time to pull their gun then.
Dave Mason wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 22:18 j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 15 August 2006 01:23 Dave Mason wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 20:10 What if there are lots of ninjas? One for each pirate! There'd be no way. They'd have to stow away on the ship after docking, and that won't happen as the pirates will be stocking the ship full of rum and food. At which point, the ninjas attack while they're off guard, slaugtering them all. No time to pull their gun then. They have crates to protect them, giving them enough time to pull out their pistol or cutlass and call down the rest of their mates.
What if the Ninjas have nuclear powered turtle neck sweaters?
gbull wrote on Tue, 15 August 2006 05:37 What if the Ninjas have nuclear powered turtle neck sweaters? Well, now you are just being silly!
j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 15 August 2006 03:28 Dave Mason wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 22:18 j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 15 August 2006 01:23 Dave Mason wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 20:10 What if there are lots of ninjas? One for each pirate! There'd be no way. They'd have to stow away on the ship after docking, and that won't happen as the pirates will be stocking the ship full of rum and food. At which point, the ninjas attack while they're off guard, slaugtering them all. No time to pull their gun then. They have crates to protect them, giving them enough time to pull out their pistol or cutlass and call down the rest of their mates. You're missing the point. Ninjas are masters of sneaking up on their targets without being seen. If there were enough ninjas, they could kill the entire population of the ship before anybody knew what was happening. My God this is a silly conversation...
You fail to realize that Pirates are cooler than Ninjas even if they *can* kill an entire crew of Pirates if they were in a group. The thing is, they usually travel alone, making this a useless argument because Pirates kick ass.
Let's start from the beginning again then. A one ninja could sneak on board and remain unseen with ease. He could slowly kill one pirate after the other one by one until the entire crew was dead because ninjas are cool.
Dave Mason wrote on Tue, 15 August 2006 08:12 Let's start from the beginning again then. A one ninja could sneak on board and remain unseen with ease. He could slowly kill one pirate after the other one by one until the entire crew was dead because ninjas are cool. Who gives a shit, ninja's don't get spanish gold, rum or wenches so Pirate>ninja scum.
ninja's are japanises aren't they. well iv seen (on tv) a japanese man laid out on a bed of nails with 5 or 6 pathing slabs on top of him and then an other japanese man broke them all in half with his hand!
[PA Pirate wrote on Tue, 15 August 2006 09:27] Dave Mason wrote on Tue, 15 August 2006 08:12 Let's start from the beginning again then. A one ninja could sneak on board and remain unseen with ease. He could slowly kill one pirate after the other one by one until the entire crew was dead because ninjas are cool. Who gives a shit, ninja's don't get spanish gold, rum or wenches so Pirate>ninja scum. Exactly. Sail the seas. Steal Spanish gold. Spend it all on wenches and rum. While sailing you get to carry a pistol, a cutlass, and drink rum. Let's not forget about stealing Spanish ships. Bigger, faster, and more guns! The ninja life is about discipline, rules, and stupid black costumes. Just that alone makes a pirate better.
Pirate definition, which seems relevant here and should end this nonsense: Quote: The Pirate is an oft misunderstood individual who can be seen absolutely pwning everyone around him/her. Well versed in the arts of cheekiness, deceit, extortion(sp), theft, blackmail, smarmery, and crazy acrobatic sword and or knife fighting. The pirate always lands on his feet, and always wins, even when you think not. naturally hates the ninja, as ninjas are overated far too serious for their own good. the most 31337 p1r4735 sometimes join the ranks of the mysterious Shadow Pirates. ninja:ha! i have found you! now i shall avenge my family's honor! pirate:psshh. piss off fuckface. yer mum liked it. ninja: how dare you! devil! now you DIE!! pirate: well, you are a sensitive boy aren't you? -proceeds to taunt ninja untill ninja rushes forward in a rage, trips ninja and takes his shoes and his wallet- ninja: i will find you..... pirate: bring yer sister. -walks away whistling- Source - urbandictionary.com
UrbanDictionary Warriors of the North, that beat the living fuck out of the christians during the medieval times. Vikings are massive burly bearded men, usually armed wiht swords or axes, that like to drink, fight, and rape christian whores. Weak, modern men are a disgrace of utmost disgust, compared to the mighty vikings. "Hail Thor!" roared the berzerker Viking as he raised his axe and swung down, chopping a christian's head clean in half, splattering brains all over his blade, arm and face. UrbanDictionary The only people who, if you saw them on a twilight hill on the horizon, you would shit your pants and run in sheer terror! Vikings raid, raze, and knit in their spare time. No one has been able to oppose them for long; there are vikings among us-- do not cross us. They bring us cool words like: "beserk" which means "bear shirt", "hauberk" which means "steel shirt". The Vikings just raided England and conquered Europe. They have bagpipes and know how to use them. Hail to the Vikings! Vikings > Pirates.
You know what? Snakes on a Plane, Snakes on a mutha fuckin' Plane!
Dover wrote on Tue, 15 August 2006 10:41 UrbanDictionary Warriors of the North, that beat the living fuck out of the christians during the medieval times. Vikings are massive burly bearded men, usually armed wiht swords or axes, that like to drink, fight, and rape christian whores. Weak, modern men are a disgrace of utmost disgust, compared to the mighty vikings. "Hail Thor!" roared the berzerker Viking as he raised his axe and swung down, chopping a christian's head clean in half, splattering brains all over his blade, arm and face. UrbanDictionary The only people who, if you saw them on a twilight hill on the horizon, you would shit your pants and run in sheer terror! Vikings raid, raze, and knit in their spare time. No one has been able to oppose them for long; there are vikings among us-- do not cross us. They bring us cool words like: "beserk" which means "bear shirt", "hauberk" which means "steel shirt". The Vikings just raided England and conquered Europe. They have bagpipes and know how to use them. Hail to the Vikings! Vikings > Pirates. Sorry, but you fail... miserably. Vikings are an overrated bunch of outdated warriors hellbent on stupid things like domination rather than what's really important... stealing Spanish gold and using wenches, and abiding by no government, not even your own.
j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 20:23 Dave Mason wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 20:10 What if there are lots of ninjas? One for each pirate! There'd be no way. They'd have to stow away on the ship after docking, and that won't happen as the pirates will be stocking the ship full of rum and food. They don't have to do that. Ninjas can fly, motherfucker! Can pirates do that? I don't think so!
j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 15 August 2006 07:57 Dover wrote on Tue, 15 August 2006 10:41 UrbanDictionary Warriors of the North, that beat the living fuck out of the christians during the medieval times. Vikings are massive burly bearded men, usually armed wiht swords or axes, that like to drink, fight, and rape christian whores. Weak, modern men are a disgrace of utmost disgust, compared to the mighty vikings. "Hail Thor!" roared the berzerker Viking as he raised his axe and swung down, chopping a christian's head clean in half, splattering brains all over his blade, arm and face. UrbanDictionary The only people who, if you saw them on a twilight hill on the horizon, you would shit your pants and run in sheer terror! Vikings raid, raze, and knit in their spare time. No one has been able to oppose them for long; there are vikings among us-- do not cross us. They bring us cool words like: "beserk" which means "bear shirt", "hauberk" which means "steel shirt". The Vikings just raided England and conquered Europe. They have bagpipes and know how to use them. Hail to the Vikings! Vikings > Pirates. Sorry, but you fail... miserably. Vikings are an overrated bunch of outdated warriors hellbent on stupid things like domination rather than what's really important... stealing Spanish gold and using wenches, and abiding by no government, not even your own. If I can dig up the news story, I will, but recently a bunch of pirates tried to take a cruise ship using grenade launchers and automatic rifles, but were turned away because the cruise ship used sonar on them, or some shit, and the pirates couldn't handle it. What wimps. As for the wenches; UrbanDictionary Relatives of the norwegians. Some other countries (Danmark, Sweden) tried to make their own vikings. They failed. The norwegian vikings ruled Europe, scared the crap out of anyone else, drank "mjød" (bier), fucked "kjerringer" (big breasted norwegian women), had names like "Blood axe" and made "svenskevitser" (jokes) of the other scandinavians. Some vikings still live in Norway today. "Run for the hills! The vikings are coming" Who needs prostitutes when your entire nation is populated by "kjerringer"? And lastly, who needs Spanish gold when you have ALL the gold, from England to the Balkans?
cmatt42 wrote on Tue, 15 August 2006 13:48 j_ball430 wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 20:23 Dave Mason wrote on Mon, 14 August 2006 20:10 What if there are lots of ninjas? One for each pirate! There'd be no way. They'd have to stow away on the ship after docking, and that won't happen as the pirates will be stocking the ship full of rum and food. They don't have to do that. Ninjas can fly, motherfucker! Can pirates do that? I don't think so! You're thinking of samurai.
Found the story. USA Today MIAMI — The crew of a luxury cruise ship used a sonic weapon that blasts earsplitting noise in a directed beam while being attacked by a gang of pirates off Africa this weekend, the cruise line said Monday. The Seabourn Spirit had a Long Range Acoustic Device, or LRAD, installed as a part of its defense systems, said Bruce Good, a spokesman for Miami-based Seabourn Cruise Line. The Spirit was about 100 miles off Somalia when pirates fired rocket-propelled grenades and machine guns as they tried to get onboard. The subsidiary of Carnival Corp. was investigating whether the weapon was successful in warding off the pirates, he said. The ship's captain also changed its course, shifted into high speed and headed out into the open sea to elude the pirates, who were in two small boats, he said. He had no further details. Wow. Pirates are wimps. Which proves my point. Where are pirates now? In dignys getting scared off by loud sounds. Where are Vikings now? They've formed Metal bands. There can be no arguement. Vikings > Pirates.
USA Today MIAMI — The crew of a luxury cruise ship used a sonic weapon that blasts earsplitting noise in a directed beam while being attacked by a gang of pirates off Africa this weekend, the cruise line said Monday. Earsplitting noise is not a loud sound, it's potentially deafening. I'm sure your vikings couldn't stand that.
Of course they could. After they finished rampaging across the Eastern hemisphere, they've created some of the most nitoriously loud and raunchy metal bands. They're now make deafening noises for a living. Face it, j_ball, Pirates go to bed at night wishing they were Vikings,
www.cristgaming.com/pirate.swf off-topic kinda but u gotta c this!!!
z310 wrote on Wed, 16 August 2006 03:27 You're thinking of Samurai. Nope!
I'm starting to go for vikings.
vikings totally blow and so do pirates,vikings would have a chance against ninjas(ill get back to that in a bit), as for pirates, they were stupid drunk idiots,ninjas are the best.ninjas can sneak up on vikings and kill them. but obviously if it was one ninja against an army of vikings or pirates the pirates or vikings would win. ninjas arent dumb enough to take on and army, they would make an army of ninjas..then attack.so there if it came down to army on army, ninjas would kick ass because they would hide untill they and kill the enemy with surprise. there ninjas own everything. well except for me i pwn everything
superj69 wrote on Wed, 16 August 2006 20:44 ...they were stupid drunk idiots... You obviously have no room to speak. And as for me starting to go for vikings, I take that back; a pirate's lifestyle is by far better.
If I could choose to drop my lifestyle I live now to live the life style of either a Pirate, Viking, Ninja, or Samurai, I would pick the Samurai. Secondly, I would pick the Pirate. I like both, but I personally like the Samurai lifestyle better.
Dave Anderson wrote on Wed, 16 August 2006 20:48 If I could choose to drop my lifestyle I live now to live the life style of either a Pirate, Viking, Ninja, or Samurai, I would pick the Samurai. Secondly, I would pick the Pirate. I like both, but I personally like the Samurai lifestyle better. So, if you lost a game of chess or something, would you be obligated to commit seppuku?
Hey, don't argue with that. If he commits seppuku, that leaves more for us pirates to plunder!
superj69 wrote on Wed, 16 August 2006 17:44 vikings totally blow and so do pirates,vikings would have a chance against ninjas(ill get back to that in a bit), as for pirates, they were stupid drunk idiots,ninjas are the best.ninjas can sneak up on vikings and kill them. but obviously if it was one ninja against an army of vikings or pirates the pirates or vikings would win. ninjas arent dumb enough to take on and army, they would make an army of ninjas..then attack.so there if it came down to army on army, ninjas would kick ass because they would hide untill they and kill the enemy with surprise. there ninjas own everything. well except for me i pwn everything You silly silly man. You can't sneak up on a Viking. Vikings are NEVER off guard. If they were, how would they conquer Europe? Vikings invented tactical manuevers like the flank. How do you sneak up on someone who invented sneaking up? You can't. Ninjas specialize in hiding in the shadows and attacking at the best moment, but Vikings invented the ambush. How do you ambush someone who invented the ambush? You can't. 1v1, Ninja vs Viking, the Viking would win, because: - Vikings are much, much manlier. - Vikings have the superior horned-helm of protection. - Vikings are well-trained in all forms off badassery and weaponry. - Vikings have absolute control of the sea, and therefore have the advantage of being able to call in artilery strikes What do ninjas have? Skintight black clothing. Vikings > Pirates > Ninjas > Scientology > Paris Hilton
If you want to be an insomniac who does not have the technology to bathe himself without dying, then be my guest. Personally, I'd rather not be under a government and paying taxes to them. I don't give a damn if they conquered the fucking world... they still are under someone else's rule. Pirates? Nobody to control them but mother nature on the seven seas. That and a few overzealous English navy men. You talk about Vikings plundering England and getting all the gold, but he's then financially responsible for himself and his family. Pirates do nothing but take that money and spend it on a few nights on land. Vikings are barbarians. All they know is war. Not to mention that pirates aren't stupid when it comes to attacking a ship. They know how to broad-side ships and take them by surprise. They can't just attack them head-on. Especially not a navy vessel.
that pirate vs ninja shit is way old and has nothing to do with any of u wanna be's except mrp cuz he's old school and he's the only real pirate hurrrrr that pa pirate dude's a poser/wanna be/loser so yeahhhhhhh drop dead
fo shizzle dawg, we all here ya - I guess I will have to go pose somewhere else then now that the mighty scope has spoken. Keep keeping it real with the old skool shit dude.
Only page 2 for me. The trade off of world conquest and not being under a government is really up to personal taste. I'd rather be a Viking, but I see that j_ball has a different set of values. There's really only one way to settle this: 1v1, Viking vs Pirate. Viking would win, because Battle Axes > Cutlasses. Ship vs ship, Viking Longboat vs Pirate whatever, Vikings win since nobody in history has been able to best the Vikings in the sea. Army vs Army, Viking vs Pirate. Vikings would win, because Pirates have no army. 3/3. Vikings > Pirates. And just to add the icing on top of the cake, Vikings star in one of the most sucessful--and addictive--video games of all time. Has anyone ever heard of "The Lost Pirates" or "The Lost Ninjas"? No, because they aren't as cool as Vikings.
Dover 1v1, Viking vs Pirate. Viking would win, because Battle Axes > Cutlasses. Pistol > Battle Ax Dover Ship vs ship, Viking Longboat vs Pirate whatever, Vikings win since nobody in history has been able to best the Vikings in the sea. One word: cannons. Dover Army vs Army, Viking vs Pirate. Vikings would win, because Pirates have no army. This doesn't count, then. If there's no army of pirates, then how would you know if an army of vikings would win?
j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 17 August 2006 12:36 Pistol > Battle Ax Fair enough. In hand-to-hand combat (Which Pirates are greatly romanticed for), Vikings would win. In ranged combat, I declare a tie since: - Viking bows reload faster than pistols - Pirate pistols (And pistols in general) tend to be innacurate. j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 17 August 2006 12:36 One word: cannons. That's working under the assumption that Vikings didn't use Cannons on their ships, which is wrong. Vikings are most famous during the pre-cannon middle-ages, but they've thrived even after the invention of the cannon. j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 17 August 2006 12:36 This doesn't count, then. If there's no army of pirates, then how would you know if an army of vikings would win? Just because Pirates are too disorganized to form and army doesn't mean they're exempt from this test. In any case, if you gathered an equal number of pirates and Vikings and had them go at it, the Vikings would win, because Pirates can't work together at all. To use a Renegade metaphor, Vikings are Team Players, where as Pirates are the n00bs who try the 1-man rushes. The score stands at 2.5/3 In favor for the Vikings.
Quote: That's working under the assumption that Vikings didn't use Cannons on their ships, which is wrong. Vikings are most famous during the pre-cannon middle-ages, but they've thrived even after the invention of the cannon. Everybody knows that Vikings vs. Pirates vs. Ninjas applies only to the classic stereotypes.
http://www.deviantart.com/deviation/32614489/?qo=6&q=by% 3Adarkdemin+sort%3Atime+-in%3Ascraps That guy can pwn anything.
lol, it is funny how this thread turned in a despute about weather pirates are beter than ninja's and most things could pwn a pirate because lets face it, a ninja with a stick and a viking with spiked ball on the end of a chain could pwn a 15y/O who has loads of copied cd's... as with the viking and the ninja, Cyborg Ninja Pirate Ipod Jesus would step in and pwn them both!
NukeIt15 wrote on Thu, 17 August 2006 14:13 Quote: That's working under the assumption that Vikings didn't use Cannons on their ships, which is wrong. Vikings are most famous during the pre-cannon middle-ages, but they've thrived even after the invention of the cannon. Everybody knows that Vikings vs. Pirates vs. Ninjas applies only to the classic stereotypes. Pirates vs Ninjas, maybe, but Vikings are different, since they have multiple stereotypes. Do you go with Norse worriers or Guitar-playing Metal gods? Further proof: 1v1, Pirate vs Viking in unarmed combat. Vikings would win, because they're bigger and manlier.
Dover wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 10:04 NukeIt15 wrote on Thu, 17 August 2006 14:13 Quote: That's working under the assumption that Vikings didn't use Cannons on their ships, which is wrong. Vikings are most famous during the pre-cannon middle-ages, but they've thrived even after the invention of the cannon. Everybody knows that Vikings vs. Pirates vs. Ninjas applies only to the classic stereotypes. Pirates vs Ninjas, maybe, but Vikings are different, since they have multiple stereotypes. Do you go with Norse worriers or Guitar-playing Metal gods? Further proof: 1v1, Pirate vs Viking in unarmed combat. Vikings would win, because they're bigger and manlier. Ninja vs viking hand to hand.......... Ninja wins!
Dover wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 10:04 1v1, Pirate vs Viking in unarmed combat. Vikings would win, because they're bigger and manlier. most men are normally bigger and manlier than a 15Y/O pirate
Dave Mason wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 04:31 Dover wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 10:04 NukeIt15 wrote on Thu, 17 August 2006 14:13 Quote: That's working under the assumption that Vikings didn't use Cannons on their ships, which is wrong. Vikings are most famous during the pre-cannon middle-ages, but they've thrived even after the invention of the cannon. Everybody knows that Vikings vs. Pirates vs. Ninjas applies only to the classic stereotypes. Pirates vs Ninjas, maybe, but Vikings are different, since they have multiple stereotypes. Do you go with Norse worriers or Guitar-playing Metal gods? Further proof: 1v1, Pirate vs Viking in unarmed combat. Vikings would win, because they're bigger and manlier. Ninja vs viking hand to hand.......... Ninja wins! Hand to hand with out without weapons? Without weapons Vikings with, because: - They're much better armored - They can take a lot more hits. With weapons, I'd stay put money on the Viking, Since Battle Axes > Katanas, and any kind of Attack the Viking dishes the Ninja will be unable to block.
Do you jack off to pictures of big, burly, hairy vikings? You seem to be in love with them. "OMG, SUM1 SED VIKINGZ WUD LOZE. HOW DARE TEHY?!?!?!?!?!" See, here's your flaw with defending vikings: you keep changing your viking whenever a new opposition is brought up. A pirate carries both a cutlass and a pistol. A viking would have a spear, bow, or axe. Not a combination of a bow and an axe or spear. Some vikings may have a sword, but only the most wealthy. Choose what your viking is. Does he carry a shield with an axe, spear, bow, or sword? You can't change him for the sake of the argument. If your viking has a bow, in short range combat, he'd most certainly be killed by a pirate or ninja. He probably would lose if it was long-range, as well, since his accuracy would probably be poor, unless he was an excellent marksman, then he would most definitely kill a pirate and a ninja. He'd have to be damn good to hit a pirate or ninja on the run not being slowed down by any armor or shielding. If your viking has a spear, he might have a better chance in short range combat, as the spear would probably be quite long. However, he'd still probably lose if the ninja or pirate was able to take their swords to the spear and sever the point, leaving a blunt stick. Long (medium) range, he'd probably lose again, unless he was excellent in accuracy. Once he throws the spear, he has nothing to use on the offensive if the pirate and ninja are not hit by the throw. If your viking has an axe, he stands even better of a chance in short range combat. Though, with the weight of the shield and axe, he'd be a lot more sluggish than the ninja or pirate. Though, if he managed to catch flesh with his axe, there's no doubt that the pirate and ninja would go down. There is no long range capabilities for this weapon. If your viking has a sword, he probably stands the best chance. Though the pirate and ninja depend on their swords for most of their fighting, if the viking is any good with his sword-fighting, he'll be quite the match for both the pirate and ninja. Again, long range is not applicable with the sword. Note: I did this without the pirate using his pistol. The pistol is a fairly short-range weapon, so a pirate using that and being accurate would take the viking down no matter what weapon he uses for short-range combat.
Dover wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 15:23 Dave Mason wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 04:31 Dover wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 10:04 NukeIt15 wrote on Thu, 17 August 2006 14:13 Quote: That's working under the assumption that Vikings didn't use Cannons on their ships, which is wrong. Vikings are most famous during the pre-cannon middle-ages, but they've thrived even after the invention of the cannon. Everybody knows that Vikings vs. Pirates vs. Ninjas applies only to the classic stereotypes. Pirates vs Ninjas, maybe, but Vikings are different, since they have multiple stereotypes. Do you go with Norse worriers or Guitar-playing Metal gods? Further proof: 1v1, Pirate vs Viking in unarmed combat. Vikings would win, because they're bigger and manlier. Ninja vs viking hand to hand.......... Ninja wins! Hand to hand with out without weapons? Without weapons Vikings with, because: - They're much better armored - They can take a lot more hits. With weapons, I'd stay put money on the Viking, Since Battle Axes > Katanas, and any kind of Attack the Viking dishes the Ninja will be unable to block. A ninja can kill a viking with their little finger.
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j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 07:50 Do you jack off to pictures of big, burly, hairy vikings? You seem to be in love with them. "OMG, SUM1 SED VIKINGZ WUD LOZE. HOW DARE TEHY?!?!?!?!?!" See, here's your flaw with defending vikings: you keep changing your viking whenever a new opposition is brought up. A pirate carries both a cutlass and a pistol. A viking would have a spear, bow, or axe. Not a combination of a bow and an axe or spear. Some vikings may have a sword, but only the most wealthy. Choose what your viking is. Does he carry a shield with an axe, spear, bow, or sword? You can't change him for the sake of the argument. If your viking has a bow, in short range combat, he'd most certainly be killed by a pirate or ninja. He probably would lose if it was long-range, as well, since his accuracy would probably be poor, unless he was an excellent marksman, then he would most definitely kill a pirate and a ninja. He'd have to be damn good to hit a pirate or ninja on the run not being slowed down by any armor or shielding. If your viking has a spear, he might have a better chance in short range combat, as the spear would probably be quite long. However, he'd still probably lose if the ninja or pirate was able to take their swords to the spear and sever the point, leaving a blunt stick. Long (medium) range, he'd probably lose again, unless he was excellent in accuracy. Once he throws the spear, he has nothing to use on the offensive if the pirate and ninja are not hit by the throw. If your viking has an axe, he stands even better of a chance in short range combat. Though, with the weight of the shield and axe, he'd be a lot more sluggish than the ninja or pirate. Though, if he managed to catch flesh with his axe, there's no doubt that the pirate and ninja would go down. There is no long range capabilities for this weapon. If your viking has a sword, he probably stands the best chance. Though the pirate and ninja depend on their swords for most of their fighting, if the viking is any good with his sword-fighting, he'll be quite the match for both the pirate and ninja. Again, long range is not applicable with the sword. Note: I did this without the pirate using his pistol. The pistol is a fairly short-range weapon, so a pirate using that and being accurate would take the viking down no matter what weapon he uses for short-range combat. That's my point though. Pirates are Cutlass and pistol exclusive. Vikings have used (Over the years): - Swords - Shields - Spears - Bows - Axes - Guitars Whatever a Pirate or Ninja can dish out, A Viking can easily counter using one of the above. As for not being able to use more than one, I point to Baleog the Fierce from The Lost Vikings, who carries both a sword and a bow.
myself Do you jack off to pictures of big, burly, hairy vikings? You seem to be in love with them. "OMG, SUM1 SED VIKINGZ WUD LOZE. HOW DARE TEHY?!?!?!?!?!" You miss my point completely. If a viking encounters a pirate, he's not going to have a whole arsenal of weapons. He's just going to have one and a shield. Stop with the bullshit. Vikings fail and that's all there is to it. They got conquered. They can't possibily be that invincible.
This is a very silly conversation... Especially since Ninjas own pirates and Vikings.
Remember, Pirates vs Ninjas vs Vikings is serious business.
It really is. Arghh. Pirates win.
j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 13:45 myself Do you jack off to pictures of big, burly, hairy vikings? You seem to be in love with them. "OMG, SUM1 SED VIKINGZ WUD LOZE. HOW DARE TEHY?!?!?!?!?!" You miss my point completely. If a viking encounters a pirate, he's not going to have a whole arsenal of weapons. He's just going to have one and a shield. Stop with the bullshit. Vikings fail and that's all there is to it. They got conquered. They can't possibily be that invincible. Dover wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 13:37 As for not being able to use more than one, I point to Baleog the Fierce from The Lost Vikings, who carries both a sword and a bow. Now, while they may not carry all of those weapons, certainly a bow and a sword is feasible, if not probable. So, Pirate, armed with Cutlass and pistol going against a Viking armed with a sword and bow. I could add the shield in and also have it be realistic, but that's overkill. ~ Cutlass vs Sword, sword wins, since the heavy blows from the Viking are likely to break the cutlass under their weight. ~ Pistol vs Sword, because pistols are fairly short-ranged and innaccurate, several things can happen: - The pistol misses, while the pirate attempts to reload he gets his head choped off. - The pistol hits, but it doesn't kill. In a reload attempt the pirate gets his head chopped off. - The pistol misses, the pirate abandons reloading it and grabs his cutlass. See above. - The pistol hits, but it doesn't kill. The pirate abandons reloading it and grabs his cutlass. Because the Viking is wounded, he stands a better chance now. - The pistol hits and kills the Viking in one shot. This is unlikely because of the quality of pistols back then, but it's still a possibility. ~ Pistol vs Bow, The Viking would likely win because he can reload faster, and his bow would be more accurate. In an earlier comment, you said that only an excelant marksmen would do well with a bow, but you also said that Vikings are barbarians, and all they know is war. If that's true, than the Viking wouldn't have the bow in the first place unless he was an excelant marksman. ~ Cutlass vs Bow, several things can happen: - The pirate gets two arrows in the chest before he can get in range for his cutlass and dies. - The pirate gets hit, but doesn't die. The Viking keeps trying to poke holes in the pirate with arrows and ends up getting a cutlass in his gut. - The pirate gets hit, but doesn't die. The Viking grabs his sword and takes an easy victory, since the Pirate is wounded and the Viking would have won anyway (See above). - The pirate doesn't get hit at all. The Viking grabs his sword and kills the pirate (see above). - The Pirate doesn't get hit at all. The Viking keeps trying to poke holes in the pirate with arrows and ends up getting a cutlass in his gut. Obviously, unless the Viking does something blaringly stupid (Which he won't, since he's a barbarian and all he knows is war), The Viking wins. The average Viking is stronger, faster, or agile, and able to take more hits than the average Pirate. Yeah, Vikings aren't action movie hero rambos, but they're as close as humans have ever gotten.
You refuse to look at things from a realistic POV don't you? I'm talking about how each weapon would fare if used in the way they were used typically. Plus, your vision of vikings is false. They aren't as big, strong, and powerful as you'd like to imagine they were. They're not these invincible barbarians. They are humans. Some bigger than others. Some stronger than others. They weren't these body building warriors. They were just regular conquering people. They just happened to be one of the most successful and have this image of uncleanliness thanks to the Christians of that time giving off the big, bad, hairy vikings. Militaries of that time didn't win simply because of brute strength and numbers. A lot had to do with tactics. You said yourself that they invented flanking. They didn't have to be brutefull if they were tactical. Pirate cutlass vs. viking sword: http://www1.kamakuranet.ne.jp/sankaido/parts/photo/pirate%20 cutlass.jpg http://www.silvermane.com/overstock/BK-YK133%20Viking%20Swor d.jpg The viking sword is longer and a little wider, but the viking isn't necessarily going to be this big burly guy capable of crushing the skull of any man with his hands. Also, pirate cutlasses were made of more refined and strong metals. They could easily withstand the blow from the viking sword. Pirate pistol vs. viking sword: Now, if the pistol hits and kills the viking. That's all said and done. If the pistol misses its mark or doesn't kill the viking, it's right back to cutlass vs. sword, since the pirate will usually have both out in his hands. Pistol vs. bow: Realistically, hand-to-hand combat with a viking bow is very unlikely, as the archer would have to stay in place to be able to fire accurately, but if you have a charging pirate coming after you, then you can't exactly stand in place. Plus, a running pirate shooting his pistol is more accurate than a running viking shooting his bow. Instead, he'd use his sword... thus bringing us back (yet again) to the cutlass vs. sword argument. For the archer to be effective, he would have to be out of the pirate's range of attack. Thus rendering any argument useless. Cutlass vs. bow: Again, for the archer to be effective, he would have to be out of the pirate's range of attack. If the pirate gets too close, he has no option but to take out his sword (if he happens to carry one) and fight the pirate cutlass vs. sword (yet again). If he kept trying to use his bow, he'd have a hard time trying to grab an arrow, get it ready for firing, and firing the bow while the pirate is slicing viking flesh like it was nothing.
Dover wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 10:23 Dave Mason wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 04:31 Dover wrote on Fri, 18 August 2006 10:04 NukeIt15 wrote on Thu, 17 August 2006 14:13 Quote: That's working under the assumption that Vikings didn't use Cannons on their ships, which is wrong. Vikings are most famous during the pre-cannon middle-ages, but they've thrived even after the invention of the cannon. Everybody knows that Vikings vs. Pirates vs. Ninjas applies only to the classic stereotypes. Pirates vs Ninjas, maybe, but Vikings are different, since they have multiple stereotypes. Do you go with Norse worriers or Guitar-playing Metal gods? Further proof: 1v1, Pirate vs Viking in unarmed combat. Vikings would win, because they're bigger and manlier. Ninja vs viking hand to hand.......... Ninja wins! Hand to hand with out without weapons? Without weapons Vikings with, because: - They're much better armored - They can take a lot more hits. With weapons, I'd stay put money on the Viking, Since Battle Axes > Katanas, and any kind of Attack the Viking dishes the Ninja will be unable to block. pfft, you forgot about throwing stars and the lightning bolts they can fire from their ass.