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rather than play each other in half-competitive n00bwars?
I'd rather not play with the best Renegade players still around and instead play in my public server where I will decide that anyone better than me is cheating.
mrpirate wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 18:10 I'd rather not play with the best Renegade players still around and instead play in my public server where I will decide that anyone better than me is cheating. I don't want to play with people like Mr Pirate who are convinced that the world only turns because they wake up every day.
Heres an idea. How about XWIS fixes the ladder instead of using a 3rd party. WHAT A CONCEPT.
null wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 12:56 Heres an idea. How about XWIS fixes the ladder instead of using a 3rd party. WHAT A CONCEPT. It would be nice, but I still believe that the best way to get good, is to play clanwars - public servers are virtually all infested with n00bs, of course you don't need to be in the cw.cc league in order to play against decent clans - but it makes it a lot easier - many of the better players use the league and will only play against cw.cc clans. I can't understand why people won't even register on there, so that they at least have the option to use it & have more opponents, but that's just my view.
Goztow wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 19:48 mrpirate wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 18:10 I'd rather not play with the best Renegade players still around and instead play in my public server where I will decide that anyone better than me is cheating. I don't want to play with people like Mr Pirate who are convinced that the world only turns because they wake up every day. Well for starters Mrp doesn't play clanners. Bad assumption there.
And to be fair it was Goztow who felt the world needed his opinion on this thread first.
null wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 12:56 Heres an idea. How about XWIS fixes the ladder instead of using a 3rd party. WHAT A CONCEPT. Because even if they did it wouldn't be a quarter as good as clanwars.cc.
mrpirate wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 11:10 I'd rather not play with the best Renegade players still around and instead play in my public server where I will decide that anyone better than me is cheating. lol
Honestly, it seems like there's some decently sized clans in the community posting on these forums that... well, I've never heard of before.. obviously you guys dont play cw's and I'm just saying... you should.
Goztow wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 10:47 No. YOU'RE COOL!
X2Torn wrote on Mon, 07 August 2006 19:25 mrpirate wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 11:10 I'd rather not play with the best Renegade players still around and instead play in my public server where I will decide that anyone better than me is cheating. lol I second that.
Goztow wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 13:48 mrpirate wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 18:10 I'd rather not play with the best Renegade players still around and instead play in my public server where I will decide that anyone better than me is cheating. I don't want to play with people like Mr Pirate who are convinced that the world only turns because they wake up every day. The thing about the league is the fact that you DON'T have to play those clans if they bother you. If your problem is actually with the forums, then just check the stickies to keep yourself up to date with the rules, and use the Audits section if someone fails to report a match or reports it incorrectly.
Jimbo27 wrote on Tue, 08 August 2006 01:55 Honestly, it seems like there's some decently sized clans in the community posting on these forums that... well, I've never heard of before.. obviously you guys dont play cw's and I'm just saying... you should. Maybe you don't know them because you spend most of your time playing CW's? I got nothing against CW's. I respect people playing them. I do not respect people with an attitude problem. Unfortunately quite a lot of clans playing a lot of CW's have an attitude problem. Ofcourse I'm not obliged to play against them. As my deputy game leader put it: "No one of us likes the stress and atmosphere of an official league. We are all old men (and a few young ladys), so too much tizzy is not good for us " We play our share of funwars and are happy with that. Oh, we even believe we aren't all that bad at them, though not superb ofcourse. We play it for fun, because it gives an intresting dimension to the game. We also play funwars against CW.cc-clans, we play against about any clan that shows us a mature and respectful approach and obviously asks us to play a funwar. So feel free to give us a visit: www.thekoss2.org. We'll just have to find a date: we try to limit to 2 funwars per week as we also have recruit trainings and other events and we have had quite some requests lately .
Goztow wrote on Tue, 08 August 2006 02:50 I got nothing against CW's. I respect people playing them. I do not respect people with an attitude problem. Unfortunately quite a lot of clans playing a lot of CW's have an attitude problem. And a lot of public server players (and moderators) don't?
MaidenTy1 wrote on Tue, 08 August 2006 09:53 Goztow wrote on Tue, 08 August 2006 02:50 I got nothing against CW's. I respect people playing them. I do not respect people with an attitude problem. Unfortunately quite a lot of clans playing a lot of CW's have an attitude problem. And a lot of public server players (and moderators) don't? I do not want to relate CW.cc to the statement you quoted. And you're absolutely right. That must be the reason you'll hardly ever see me outside my clan server.
At the risk of re-igniting a flamewar, isn't your clan server the one which, by your admission, doesn't require proof to ban someone for cheating? I'll be frank here. Getting flamed by some random guy in a game or on a forum doesn't bother me in the slightest. Getting banned from a server, same. But being labelled a cheater without proof and when I'm not given the chance to prove myself innocent, THAT might well bother me.
See my last post here: http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg&th=20736&a mp;start=0&rid=4882 And the whole point of a forum is that you can appeal. More than one has fought his case on our forums and has been unbanned. Ofcourse when you come and say "OMG y0u 4ssh0les b4nn3d me, you are t3h stupid: I do not h4x!" you got 0 chance of getting unbanned. If you're intrested on reading up some exemples: http://www.thekoss2.org/forum/viewforum.php?f=5 Maiden, since you took CW.cc over, my clan's reasons for not joining CW.cc have changed. You are doing your best to make it known and turn around the bad reputation some of your predecessors put up. Just be careful as you tend to have a principle of "who isn't pro me is con me". This isn't necessarely true.
http://www.thekoss2.org/forum/viewtopic.php?t=1376 Quote: Yup - as with pirates - come back and display same skill when the littel bypass u have bene using has been fixed -Refueller Quote: Quite simply, i would rather remove 10 players and 'maybe' have one or two wrong than spend useless time checking players out -Refueller It doesn't exactly seem like he's talking about suspicion, in fact, it looks like he's telling me I have it. (which is ironic since if he positively knew I was bypassing, why wouldn't he report to crimson? Unless of course he knew he had no leg to stand on. Which would be the case) And *useless* time? Yeah, I guess it would really be *useless* time to check players and see if they're innocent, wouldn't it. I mean it's only your job as a moderator to do it, but that's OK. It's useless to check to see if people are innocent, right? The topic goes on about how testing doesn't work. Even though this is clearly wrong seeing as how many servers have banned many people through testing and screenshots. And at least when they do ban these people they have solid proof and if they were using RG while doing so it's solid proof for RG to ban them. Not only that, if you're actually experienced enough with the game you come to look for things suggesting that a player cheats. I've gotten a fraps of some guy that did 10.5 damage with his GDI rifle and 52.5 per headshot with it. Don't you think it would be smart to like do the same in the case for your server? not to do it while you're a mod, too, i guess. Since you don't always join with the nickname anyways. Anyways the biggest deal was that some days after I was banned, I had joined the EoE server. After awhile they accused me of cheating. They asked me to do a test and I shot around the guy's head (while he was moving around and other people were shooting at me) and I passed, they say that Koss said that we *were* cheating in their server and so that's the reason they banned me moments later. As far as i remember you were "friends" with EoE maybe played some wars and everything and you were probably close to them at the time. So yeah any fair player would get pissed when you guys decide we *were* cheating and tell others that we were when by your own admission, you don't have ANYTHING to go on. --------------------------------------- This is where being knowledgable about the game comes in handy. Knowing what units do how much damage. I instinctively check this every time I play to make sure a guy isn't cheating. 1. To see if he's doing the correct damage 2. To see if he gets headshots over and over and never once gets a body shot. There are MANY ways to prove cheaters are cheating, and I'm sure that about 90% of them, or probably more, don't know how to "switch a cheat off" if that's even possible with the cheat they're using, because it isn't possible for a lot of cheats. It's just the fact that someone in Koss told EoE we cheated when we didn't, and you had nothing to back that up.
You still didn't understand that you're not the one deciding what our moderators should or shouldn't do? This looks much like the "no swearing in public servers"-topic... If you want to do this discussion, we can do it on msn/irc/KOSs2 forums or wherever you like to but not here. Let's not hi-jack this topic.
Quote: Quite simply, i would rather remove 10 players and 'maybe' have one or two wrong than spend useless time checking players out interesting logic... now me, (talking about the CW league, not really any specific server) I'll let ten cheaters walk free before I ban someone who doesn't have conclusive proof against them... each to his own, I guess. If "maybe" one or two out of those ten aren't cheating, then by logical extension, if no proof is obtained then "maybe" all ten of them aren't.
MaidenTy1 wrote on Tue, 08 August 2006 15:48 Quote: Quite simply, i would rather remove 10 players and 'maybe' have one or two wrong than spend useless time checking players out interesting logic... now me, (talking about the CW league, not really any specific server) I'll let ten cheaters walk free before I ban someone who doesn't have conclusive proof against them... each to his own, I guess. If "maybe" one or two out of those ten aren't cheating, then by logical extension, if no proof is obtained then "maybe" all ten of them aren't. It's the same as allowing swearing or not: a server/clan/community policy. Nothing else.
It stops becoming "policy" when you tell other servers that so and so is cheating, when you don't have any proof what-so-ever, or even an ounce of logic to back you up. So what, you think it would be a waste of time to keep innocent players from being banned? Well, that's what you're agreeing to.
And people ask why I think Goztow/KOSS are a bunch of idiots...
Sniper_De7 wrote on Wed, 09 August 2006 00:46 It stops becoming "policy" when you tell other servers that so and so is cheating, when you don't have any proof what-so-ever, or even an ounce of logic to back you up. So what, you think it would be a waste of time to keep innocent players from being banned? Well, that's what you're agreeing to. I just told them that you were banned from our server for cheating. They know our policy. They didn't ask me for proove. Don't blame us because other server owners accept our policy. Blame the other serevr owner.
Goztow wrote on Wed, 09 August 2006 01:47 Sniper_De7 wrote on Wed, 09 August 2006 00:46 It stops becoming "policy" when you tell other servers that so and so is cheating, when you don't have any proof what-so-ever, or even an ounce of logic to back you up. So what, you think it would be a waste of time to keep innocent players from being banned? Well, that's what you're agreeing to. I just told them that you were banned from our server for cheating. They know our policy. They didn't ask me for proove. Don't blame us because other server owners accept our policy. Blame the other serevr owner. Yeah, but you were wrong to tell them, when I was banned for NOT cheating, but for suspected of cheating. You cannot, at any point, really say someone was cheating if you don't even have a clue as to what he was doing that would be considered "above the norm" in skill. ie - doing more damage / etc. etc. ----------------------------------------------------- edit: you would be right to tell other servers about cheaters if you had some kind of proof or at least something to go on, but you didn't. ----------------------------------------------------- Now if you at least SAW something out of the ordinary and could identify what it was that a cheat would have done, that's entirely a different story. That's why I asked over and over what I did that any person couldn't have done. Of course no answer was given, during the entire length. Maybe it was the fact that I got MVP some of the games, or got most kills, because as we know it's a truely gruesome task to get that in public servers. Really, for the sake of old times, please just tell me what I did that constitutes me be even suspected of cheating? Can you? I'm going to guess not. In fact, I'm going to guess you listened to the GT guy who had no clue what he was talking about and doesn't know how fast another stank would kill another one, which it may have even been 3 shots/4 shots, because it does 90 damage per 2 rockets, and he was repairing it so as soon as I was shooting it, he got back in (so he wasn't at full health obviously). But please, do tell what I did that anyone else couldn't have done just as easily.
It's been a while, heh, 28th of January. I think they just read on our forums (in the topic you posted) that you were banned suspected for cheating. that means that they knew it was suspicion (I assulme they read the topic). I never go actively to a server owner and ask them to ban people. I mean: where would I start? I banned 4 cheaters last saturday in 1 hour. I think the topic is pretty clear. I'd even say more: based on that topic you still have a very strong suspicion of cheating on your back for me. In the topic ref says that he observed you under a covered nick. He waited to see at least 4 for him very dodgy things from you. All when no moderator was in the game, as you thought. Strange, no? None of what you said here wasn't answered in that topic? Why bother? because someone else seemed to not agree with me so it was a good time to bring up all this again? YOU HAVE ALL YOUR ANSWERS IN THAT TOPIC. You had them in January and still have them.
Goztow wrote on Wed, 09 August 2006 14:45 I banned 4 people better than me last saturday in 1 hour. Fixed.
This is why i don't play on most WOL servers, they just happen to be shite. It's funny how word gets around about cheaters(apparent cheaters may i add), when looking for cws i've seen replies from clans saying, "we don't play cheaters" And then i reply, "What proof do you have that we cheat?" Its the same old shit, "We've heard about it from other clans like EoE, SoQ" I laughed. I joined the EoE server once and got flamed saying i was hacker just for being a GW member, absolutely no evidence but they said oh, one of your members played under the name Vagina in the clanwar and we didn't like it so we banned him. Then he came on under a another nickname and wasn't banned. So him and everyone else associated with GW is now a hacker in EoE's book. HOW PATHETIC.
Goztow wrote on Wed, 09 August 2006 08:45 It's been a while, heh, 28th of January. I think they just read on our forums (in the topic you posted) that you were banned suspected for cheating. that means that they knew it was suspicion (I assulme they read the topic). Quote: I just told them that you were banned from our server for cheating. So which one is it? Have you changed your story? I never go actively to a server owner and ask them to ban people. I mean: where would I start? I banned 4 suspected cheaters last saturday in 1 hour. I think the topic is pretty clear. I'd even say more: based on that topic you still have a very strong suspicion of cheating on your back for me. In the topic ref says that he observed you under a covered nick. He waited to see at least 4 for him very dodgy things from you. All when no moderator was in the game, as you thought. Strange, no? I have no idea what the fuck you're talking about with this last sentence. If you're referring to the four kills I had against him he was saying that was when he was on his own nick, so why would that be strange? if you're talking about something I said recently, well yeah, he already had admitted to using a pseudonym, so it's not strange either that I would know this since it says in the thread. No, he was saying that during my four kills I had against him under his nick, each time is reason enough to be a suspected cheater(because killing him is impossible/nearly so). But *why* exactly? As far as if i can remember, one of them was just me sniping against him. What's so suspicious about that? Like I said on there, I also missed quite a bit of my shots and everything. So what, killing someone like ref is suspicious then, because he is so good at the game, and anyone who kills him or does better is thus "suspicious"? No, there was nothing "suspicious" what-so-ever, and you still can't name it. So long as you actually do tell me what I did that was suspicious, which you have yet to do, it will always hold no water. I mean if a guy headshots every time that's suspicious, and perhaps reason enough to believe he had big head (which isn't the case here seeing as how I didn't even kill that many people...) This is why I asked over and over if he could name one thing that was me doing something suspicious, something that would normally be nearly impossible for any other person to do, to make him believe I was cheating. Only, I knew that wasn't going to happen because just like every other server I get banned on, they have absolutely no leg to stand on. Really, I don't know exactly what they do with appointing moderators, I'm sure they're just friends. I just wished there were moderators that don't cheat (because I've had that happen to me as well as others before, and admins don't usually do anything due to whatever reason (friend...pays for server...etc) and I wish for moderators that actually KNOW the game and can spot things like damage differences quite easily. Also for moderators not to give shitty reasons for not allowing testing "because it can be bypassed" is not a reason. RG1.04 will be able to be bypassed, and some cheats can still be turned off. But who cares about proving cheaters are cheaters and proving falsely accused people are good players. None of what you said here wasn't answered in that topic? Why bother? because someone else seemed to not agree with me so it was a good time to bring up all this again? YOU HAVE ALL YOUR ANSWERS IN THAT TOPIC. You had them in January and still have them. [i]No, they weren't. reread all of ref's posts. Tell me where it says I did something doubtful, SPECIFICALLY.
EoE are pretty cool imo. did almost ban me cos they thought I was mrpirate though, lol!
Wow, after reading some of the retarded shit i just read, maybe I DON'T want gay clans like koss on clanwars.cc... You guys would probably call every person on there a cheater and cry and quit the game. Mrpirate and Sniper_De7 do not cheat and never have. I was in a clan with them for two years and can safely say they are some of the best players I've ever played with.
Jimbo27 wrote on Fri, 11 August 2006 22:13 gay clans like koss And me who thought the attitude was getting better... wrong again.
null wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 10:56 Heres an idea. How about XWIS fixes the ladder instead of using a 3rd party. WHAT A CONCEPT. Pretty lame idea. Then you would have a bunch of ladder n00bs. Making games against there freinds and feed off points/kills etc. I hope the never fix that bloody ladder. I perfer server ladders instead of being judged in renegade over a silly ladder... Big whoop. Your ranked high. Good job!!! Want a cookie?
ghost wrote on Sat, 12 August 2006 05:51 null wrote on Sun, 06 August 2006 10:56 Heres an idea. How about XWIS fixes the ladder instead of using a 3rd party. WHAT A CONCEPT. Pretty lame idea. Then you would have a bunch of ladder n00bs. Making games against there freinds and feed off points/kills etc. I hope the never fix that bloody ladder. I perfer server ladders instead of being judged in renegade over a silly ladder... Big whoop. Your ranked high. Good job!!! Want a cookie? They could try to fix the "recruit" tag that stays forever now...
Jimbo27 wrote on Fri, 11 August 2006 21:13 they are some of the best players I've ever played with.
Goztow wrote on Fri, 11 August 2006 22:26 Jimbo27 wrote on Fri, 11 August 2006 22:13 gay clans like koss And me who thought the attitude was getting better... wrong again. No you didn't. I still can't see why you can judge a league on the actual forum? I don't think even a quarter of the players on that league post on the forums regulary.....
Incidentally, BHS is working to revive the ladder. We also intend to use outside consultants like MaidenTy1 to make a solution that DOES work for the Renegade community and how it has evolved.
Yay.
Crimson wrote on Wed, 16 August 2006 00:26 Incidentally, BHS is working to revive the ladder. We also intend to use outside consultants like MaidenTy1 to make a solution that DOES work for the Renegade community and how it has evolved. <3 Crimson
The only reason I still post or occasionally participate in clan wars in clanwars.cc's renegade league is the forum, the shit talking, all that. This game would totally suck without it. If we were all friends, if we all didn't talk shit to eachother, if we all didn't argue and said "ns" instead of "bs" everytime someone killed us, then this game would be boring as hell and it would've died AGES ago. drama keeps games alive. we need you n00bs to come on clanwars, so we can rape u, and make fun of u, till u one day get all pro and rape us back the way H2O does now
^^ let's be clear about the fact he is not by any means a good representative of clanwars.cc, everyone...
Spoony's just jellos cuz he never beats me
I think clanwars.cc is a nice league. But it's simply not necessary. Because, ask yourself, why do you play clanwars? not for fun, you can play funwars for fun you play them to show eachother who is the better clan. But why do you need a league for that? As you might noticed im in TT, and we don't play on cw.cc , but still play clanwars. So, just a notice about this, it's possible playing clanwars without cw.cc
TTBasM92 wrote on Mon, 28 August 2006 02:47 I think clanwars.cc is a nice league. But it's simply not necessary. Because, ask yourself, why do you play clanwars? not for fun, you can play funwars for fun you play them to show eachother who is the better clan. But why do you need a league for that? I don't speak for anyone else, but I play clanwars because they're more enjoyable than funwars.
Clanwars and funwars are the same? Except that clanwars 'count' and funwars dont? And funwars are most of the time unorganized.
TTBasM92 wrote on Mon, 28 August 2006 03:47 I think clanwars.cc is a nice league. But it's simply not necessary. Because, ask yourself, why do you play clanwars? not for fun, you can play funwars for fun you play them to show eachother who is the better clan. But why do you need a league for that? As you might noticed im in TT, and we don't play on cw.cc , but still play clanwars. So, just a notice about this, it's possible playing clanwars without cw.cc The competition involved makes the game much more fun.
plus the ladder and points.its kinda useless playing clanwars without a ladder ...
TTBasM92 wrote on Mon, 28 August 2006 19:49 Clanwars and funwars are the same? Except that clanwars 'count' and funwars dont? And funwars are most of the time unorganized. The game itself may be the same, but it's more enjoyable when it counts for something. This is true even if you aren't gunning for the cup and the prizes (my clan isn't, because none of us really play all that much, yet we still much prefer to play a clanwar over a funwar) Look how many people have complained about the lack of a Renegade single-player ladder, either here, on the XWIS forums or in various community sites. How many of those players are actually going to push themselves 24/7 for the Supreme Commander? I doubt it's many of them, but they still want a ladder so their games actually count statistically. The other thing is the Clanwars.cc league has in-game rules which are actually enforced by someone (stuff like base to base, backwalking the ob, etc... and obviously cheating). It can be annoying as hell when people do that to you, and thus it's nice to know you can play in a league where you're "protected" if that's the right word, from it. Speaking for myself, if it wasn't for the CW league I'd almost certainly have quit Renegade a long time ago (probably when cheating was at its most rampant), and I know A LOT of players who are of the same mind.
X2Torn wrote on Tue, 29 August 2006 06:15 its kinda useless playing clanwars without a ladder ... You should elaborate on that. So it's useless to do a game of soccer if you don't play in a club/division? So it's useless to do some work if you aren't in a company that pays you for it? I think X2torn just showed me that my life is completely useless...
Useless is the wrong word. It's like... how can I put this. Me going to a nightclub and staying sober. I'll still have fun, but I'll enjoy it more if I get a few drinks in me when I'm there. The nightclub is a clanwar, the drinks are the league...
Hmmm I don't drink alcohol. I guess that's just the difference between you and me then . Respect to both forms of clanwars, really.
like the league or not, the best clans and best players use it - if you want to get better you need to play those people and if you want to do that you need to be on the league in most cases.
[PA Pirate wrote on Wed, 30 August 2006 12:44]like the league or not, the best clans and best players use it - if you want to get better you need to play those people and if you want to do that you need to be on the league in most cases. WELL PUT!
Everyone has their own preferences on how they want to play this game. Clanwars are the main way to improve at this game nowadays, the better players just don't play public much anymore as they are banned off most servers. In fact, i'd rather play clanwars as there is far less chance of having a load of muppets on your team.