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http://streaming.reopen911.org/video/PainfulDeceptions_dutch .html It's a bit long but well worth it. I went like wtf!
None of these stupid videos can ever provide a valid reason for the US government wanting to kill 2,700 people.
Just comes up with an empty box... Anyway, I do not believe anything any video on the internet has to say about 9/11. Most of them are filled with lies and are very deceiving. Hell, I don't hardly believe anything the media says either. Of course that is because the media is extremely biased.
xptek wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 13:11 None of these stupid videos can ever provide a valid reason for the US government wanting to kill 2,700 people.
I'm can't believe either they knowingly killed thousands of ppl, but there are some things in there that make you go hmmm anyway.
Hmm... I think I know where this will end up, so moved to the Hot Topics forum.
When will people just give up and realize that the USA WAS attacked on 9/11 and NOT by its own government. For fuck's sake, people. Wake the fuck up and get over your bullshit conspiracy theories. I'm sick and tired of it. It's bad enough that this is the 5th year from whence it happened, but we STILL have idiots claiming that Bush and his administration concocted this sinister plot to attack the nation that they run. I wouldn't sabotage my company, would you? I didn't think so.
http://streaming.reopen911.org/video/PainfulDeceptions.wmv For those who're interested. Haven't watched myself yet, it's 186 MBs.
Quote: When will people just give up and realize that the USA WAS attacked on 9/11 and NOT by its own government. For fuck's sake, people. Wake the fuck up and get over your bullshit conspiracy theories. I'm sick and tired of it. It's bad enough that this is the 5th year from whence it happened, but we STILL have idiots claiming that Bush and his administration concocted this sinister plot to attack the nation that they run. I wouldn't sabotage my company, would you? I didn't think so. Very well put Jball. Seriously though, how can anyone possibly believe that your own government would purposely kill it's own citizens? The fact that someone would even say that is outrageous. America is in debt as is, and the Bush Administration would not purposely attack it's own country. That would put America in even more debt. All the conspiracy folks out there really need to wake up and realize: "The world is at war. Countries will attack countries and people will attack people. If the Bush Administration did attack it's own country purposely, which it did not, the country would most likely develop into a civil war."
Dave Anderson wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 12:47 Quote: When will people just give up and realize that the USA WAS attacked on 9/11 and NOT by its own government. For fuck's sake, people. Wake the fuck up and get over your bullshit conspiracy theories. I'm sick and tired of it. It's bad enough that this is the 5th year from whence it happened, but we STILL have idiots claiming that Bush and his administration concocted this sinister plot to attack the nation that they run. I wouldn't sabotage my company, would you? I didn't think so. Very well put Jball. Seriously though, how can anyone possibly believe that your own government would purposely kill it's own citizens? The fact that someone would even say that is outrageous. America is in debt as is, and the Bush Administration would not purposely attack it's own country. That would put America in even more debt. All the conspiracy folks out there really need to wake up and realize: "The world is at war. Countries will attack countries and people will attack people. If the Bush Administration did attack it's own country purposely, which it did not, the country would most likely develop into a civil war." Just quote your post, even though I'm addressing j_ball as well. I'm not disagreeing with either of you, just point out some dangerous areas. j_ball: Be careful here. People do, and have, sabotaged things they own to gain other benefits (in most cases, insurance money). I'm sure you've heard of the rash of charges being laid against Corporate owners who have done improper things with the companies money. That there is perhaps the greatest example of sabotaging their own company. Just because you won't doesn't mean someone else won't. Dave: The civil war would only come about if people knew that the country was attacked by its own government. What better way to cover it up than to blame terrorists, and then start a war to take the suspicion away from the government? What was that movie called? Wag the dog? Just to reiterate: I'm not saying I believe the conspiracy theories, just be careful of how you go about arguing against them.
Dave Anderson wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 14:47 Seriously though, how can anyone possibly believe that your own government would purposely kill it's own citizens? The fact that someone would even say that is outrageous. Well, it *does* kill its own citizens through the legal system. Killing 2,700 and further harming a failing economy makes no sense, though.
It makes no sence to you to do something like that. But theres lots we don't know about how they would benefit from this. And not everyone thinks the same way.
I'll bet alot of ppl stil don't know about this. Here's a link of the Operation Northwoods unclassified document. A U.S Government plan for quote " Justifacation for US milatry intervention in Cuba" unquote .Although the plan was rejected by the president J.F.K staff at the time. It's the actual unclassifed document from 1962 planned by the U.S Joint Cheifs of staff for staged attacks on its own citizens and Cubans citizens. Someone within the Government must have leaked it. Its's a pretext for war and invasion basically. Something that happened over 40 yrs ago, none the less in my opinion seems to resemble something like the government could plan in the future like 9/11. Abcnews report about it http://abcnews.go.com/US/story?id=92662 The document itself http://www.gwu.edu/~nsarchiv/news/20010430/doc1.pdf (You need adobe reader to view it) There's also alot of evidence(about 9/11) and more ppl comming foward such as eye witnesses to the events which happened that day, and famous ppl like Actors and Musicians who are starting to wake up and challenge the story about which the U.S government claims is the truth. You have to do look for it for yourself!
Fuck sake, dont start this shit again.. people are too brainwashed by what they are told on the tv to think anything elas. Let it rest. If there is more to what we been told, or the stuff that we was told turns out to be lies, it be found out in years to come, not now.
Heh heh...actors and musicians. Because when I want information on politics and world events, I'll go to the liberal arts. *is a liberal arts major* The reason it's extremely, insanely unlikely for the U.S. to stage 9/11 is that it was an attack against the World Trade Center and Pentagon. If the government was looking to make serious money off the disaster, why attack an area/building(s) that already makes serious money? The millions/billions of dollars lost in their destruction, lost business, and memorial efforts would greatly offset anything gained from whatever oil reserves we don't already have access to from OPEC, not to mention the cost of weapons and whatnot used to attack. Also, why would the government attack its own military headquarters if it wanted to start a war? That's basically like shooting yourself in the head in order to frame someone for assault. I can't see military brass corrupt enough to instigate a war as willing to potentially lose their nice offices and pretty secretaries. Not only does it not make sense to me, but it is also against general human nature.
http://video.google.de/videoplay?docid=-4315024059102108031& amp;q=kennedy bush killed kennnedy!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Doth ever the shit-fountain cease to spew?
IWarriors wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 15:53 Fuck sake, dont start this shit again.. people are too brainwashed by what they are told on the tv to think anything elas. Let it rest. If there is more to what we been told, or the stuff that we was told turns out to be lies, it be found out in years to come, not now. I'd call that putting your head in the sand.
Didin't they say the plane was looking for the whitehouse and got lost so the pilot decided to hit the pentagon lol, something like that, than again that would be even more stupid, Trying to destroy the whitehouse.
Quote: Dave: The civil war would only come about if people knew that the country was attacked by its own government. What better way to cover it up than to blame terrorists, and then start a war to take the suspicion away from the government? What was that movie called? Wag the dog? My thought on it is the people who claim that these "conspiracies" are taking place must think that they know the government attacked it's own citizens on purpose. If that is not true, then I do not believe that the people who do believe that these conspiracies are taking place would be making a big deal out of 9/11.
If Bush can kill Kennedy, he can destroy the WTC!
SpyGuy246 wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 15:54 Also, why would the government attack its own military headquarters if it wanted to start a war? That's basically like shooting yourself in the head in order to frame someone for assault. I can't see military brass corrupt enough to instigate a war as willing to potentially lose their nice offices and pretty secretaries. Not only does it not make sense to me, but it is also against general human nature. That's a pretty moot point, attacking "Their own military HQ" didn't/doesn't seem to weaken their military forces in any way...also, the portion of the Pentagon happened to be under renovation at the time... At least watch the video if you're going to make arquments. I've seen videos both for against a government conspiracy, and I have to admit there's a lot in the matter that doesn't make sense if I was to believe your government.
http://jewsdidwtc.com 'nuff said. (Que 'That's offensive!')
At the end of the day, if we was talking about the british government, i wouldn't put it past them, i would say that neither the US government or UK government are trustworthy on any stretch of the imagination. All i'm trying to tsay although, yeah the internet is full of bullshit but the government is full of bullshit too. You just have to trust you own judgment on events.
NukeIt15 wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 12:59 Doth ever the shit-fountain cease to spew?
Muh, finished watching, it's almost one and a half hours long. I thought it was the same stuff I've already seen but it's more insigthful. I'm going to bitch-slap the lot of you in your faces. There. I simply fail to see how this much detail and insight into the events could be accidental or wrong. It's like they stated, there's a conspiracy theory, but it's made by the government. Even if they didn't create the whole mess by themselves, there's so much unnecessary hiding of facts and so many vague statements or outright lies that I can't understand how some can swallow all of it wihout criticism. Yeah there's a shit-fan out there, fueled by taxpayers' money. If I lived in America, I would at least demand more throughout investigation. But then again, I'm not. That doesn't nullify my comment like some of you surely just thought, though.
Dave Anderson wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 14:11 Just comes up with an empty box... Anyway, I do not believe anything any video on the internet has to say about 9/11. Most of them are filled with lies and are very deceiving. Hell, I don't hardly believe anything the media says either. Of course that is because the media is extremely biased. You don't believe what the media tells you, you don't believe what average citizens tell you, yet you believe what politicians tell you?
I never said I don't believe what average citizens tell me. And I do believe what some politicians say to a certain extent.
why isn't it just plausible for people to believe that anti-american or anti-west or anti-jew/supporters went and did a terrorist attack? Would it really be that unlikely? No one expected it to happen so it's not like it would seem impossible. These people kill jews and other innocent civilians for the sake of their religion and have done so for a long time. Would it be anything new? It's not like its the first time a terrorist organization did something like this. I've met a couple of dutch people who seriously all just believe Bush did it. They probably go home to TV to hear news about how Bush did it and so forth. How about I just go ahead and ask why in God's name it is even close to being believable that our president would destroy our money making buildings and our pentagon compared to terrorists who are bent on terror and destruction and have killed civilians and do holy wars?. It's just as believable to me that Bush did it than aliens did it. Yeah, that sounds about right. Perhaps I'll tell the news that our favourite alien ET came down and busted up our shit.
http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons
Scythar wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 15:28 That's a pretty moot point, attacking "Their own military HQ" didn't/doesn't seem to weaken their military forces in any way...also, the portion of the Pentagon happened to be under renovation at the time... At least watch the video if you're going to make arquments. I've seen videos both for against a government conspiracy, and I have to admit there's a lot in the matter that doesn't make sense if I was to believe your government. I've seen similar documentaries and God knows how many websites, so I know the basic arguments already. The ones I've seen share a lot of the same sources and "facts." More than likely, any inconsistencies and/or coverups that did occur were motivated by a desire to cover up the screwups made by the government that prevented them from doing anything about it. The US government (and all governments to an extent) already has a history of this.
SpyGuy246 wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 15:54 Heh heh...actors and musicians. Because when I want information on politics and world events, I'll go to the liberal arts. *is a liberal arts major* The reason it's extremely, insanely unlikely for the U.S. to stage 9/11 is that it was an attack against the World Trade Center and Pentagon. If the government was looking to make serious money off the disaster, why attack an area/building(s) that already makes serious money? The millions/billions of dollars lost in their destruction, lost business, and memorial efforts would greatly offset anything gained from whatever oil reserves we don't already have access to from OPEC, not to mention the cost of weapons and whatnot used to attack. Also, why would the government attack its own military headquarters if it wanted to start a war? That's basically like shooting yourself in the head in order to frame someone for assault. I can't see military brass corrupt enough to instigate a war as willing to potentially lose their nice offices and pretty secretaries. Not only does it not make sense to me, but it is also against general human nature. The WTC was about to expire, so it had to come down or be totaly refitted which would had cost more money then it was worth. The US have attacked or allowed its things to be attacked before for their own interests, visit link below. http://www.ussliberty.com/ And why is it against general human nature? people destroy their own shit all the time, look in WW2, the Germans destroyed everything as they fell back to Germany.. People burn down their homes or get their cars stolen so they can collect the insurance. Never forgot, us humans are bad ass mofos, we do anything for ourselfs.
If you don't know all the facts or you aren't 100% sure if one side of the story is true, then don't just close your mind to the other story. ...... not that I completely believe the conspiracy theory, its just that I don't believe that there is no chance of it being true. Anyways, is it really that impossible that the government would kill there own citizens??? About the plance that went for the pentagon-- did you actually hit it? I might have been just a clever plan to persuade people to believe that our country was being attacked by foreigners, could it not???
It has come to my attention that one possible way to make people like these listen to reason is to yell louder than they do. Therefore, an experiment: YOU FAIL AT LIFE! Are they taking off their tinfoil hats yet? No? Oh, drat. I guess we'll just ignore 'em then. This thread is hereby hijacked in the name of general forum mental health. I declare this thread re-dedicated to pursue an answer to the eternal question posed by Socrates, who said: "I drank what?" I propose that the answer to this question must have been Pepsi, for its foul flavor and ability to induce vomiting. If this is true, then Socrates must have been a Coke-drinker. Agree/disagree?
So in other words you have no answer to those questions??
No, in other words all these retarded conspiracy theories have been debunked so many damn times that it isn't even interesting to read them anymore. Nobody from the moonbat camp seems to read the logical, well-reasoned posts that are made to answer these moronic accusations, even when they are backed up with pages and pages of evidence from real, credible sources. In other words, it's like talking in one ear and having your words fly right out the other in a cloud of dust and cobwebs. There's no point being serious when nobody is listening, so why should I bother to re-type what has been said hundreds of times before on these same forums? Why should anybody bother? Now answer the query of Socrates before I turn you into a kipper with the top-secret transmogrifier gun I stole from Area 51.
Feetseek wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 23:21 If you don't know all the facts or you aren't 100% sure if one side of the story is true, then don't just close your mind to the other story. This would be an excellent thing to tell the makers of the documentaries. What is aggravating is that they and their sheep are amazingly condescending and use the "obvious" fallacy when it's clear that if it was so obvious, more people would see it. If they didn't want to maintain the WTC buildings, why not simply implode them without people inside? It would be cheaper without damage to the emergency crews and other buildings and all the money they ended up paying the victims and their families. A Republican government especially is against government spending, so it's highly improbable that a Republican administration that could so carefully plan and cover up (without leaks of any kind in either stage of the process) a very expensive operation against its own interests (military, free commerce) without an equally careful analysis of how it would negatively impact the nation afterwards. Anyway, Maddox had it right. Of course a random schmuck is going to uncover an elaborate conspiracy no one has leaked even after 5 years and publicize it to the world without any retaliation against him.
Jaspah wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 21:23 http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons Oh no you didn't...
Feetseek wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 23:21 If you don't know all the facts or you aren't 100% sure if one side of the story is true, then don't just close your mind to the other story. ...... not that I completely believe the conspiracy theory, its just that I don't believe that there is no chance of it being true. Anyways, is it really that impossible that the government would kill there own citizens??? About the plance that went for the pentagon-- did you actually hit it? I might have been just a clever plan to persuade people to believe that our country was being attacked by foreigners, could it not??? WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO HIT THE PENTAGON, TOO, FOR AMERICANS TO BELIEVE WE WERE BEING HIT BY TERRORISTS. UNLESS YOU ARE A DIMWITTED FOOL, AND I AM NOT RULING THIS THEORY OUT, I THINK EVERYONE GOT THE MESSAGE WHEN THE WTCs FELL. YOU'RE A DOOFUS FOR THINKING THAT ANYTHING EXTRA WOULD EVEN BE CONSIDERED "CLEVER". IF THERE EVER WAS THIS CONSPIRACY, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CLEVER PLAN TO GO AFTER THE PENTAGON WHEN THE WTC WOULD HAVE EASILY BEEN ENOUGH. NO, IT'S NOT *IMPOSSIBLE* THAT THE GOV'T WOULD KILL ITS OWN CITIZENS. IN THIS CASE, IT IS INFINATELY MORE LIKELY THAT TERRORISTS, WHOSE DUTY IN THEIR LIFE IS TO CREATE TERROR, KILL INNOCENT CITIZENS, AND DESTROY ANY FREEDOM OR "WEST" MOVEMENTS. THESE SAME TERRORISTS WISH TO WIPE THE ENTIRETY OF THE JEW POPULATION OFF THE MAP. BUT OH NO, ITS MUCH MORE PLAUSIBLE TO BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT IS CONSPIRING AGAINST HIS OWN COUNTRY SO THAT WE COULD USE MONEY ON THE WAR AND LOSE AMERICAN LIVES. Quote: If you don't know all the facts or you aren't 100% sure if one side of the story is true, then don't just close your mind to the other story. DO YOU EVEN READ YOUR OWN WRITING? IF YOU LOOKED IN THE MADDOX PAGE AND READ IT, IF YOU COULD READ IT, ON THE BOTTOM WERE LINKS TO DEBUNKING 16 OF THE MOST COMMON CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THE ONLY REASON WHY WE DON'T BELIEVE YOUR HORSESHIT THAN PINK UNICORNS DESTROYING THE WTC IS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BRING UP A VALID POINT. ALL YOU'RE DOING NOW IS SAYING IS THAT ISN'T IT POSSIBLE FOR BUSH TO DO IT. YEAH, IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT AS MUCH POSSIBLE AS THE PINK UNICORNS. SHOW ME SOMETHING THAT WOULD SUGGEST HE DID IT AND IT'LL HAVE BEEN ALREADY DEBUNKED LONG AGO BY SCIENTISTS WHO *DO* THIS RESEARCH UNLIKE SILLY MORONS WHO BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT'S SAID AND HAS NO BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ANYTHING. MISSLE SHOT FROM PLANE CONSPIRACY? DEBUNKD STEEL MELTING POINT CONSPIRACY? DEBUNKD I COULD GO ON BUT I WILL LEAVE YOU TO READ IT, THAT IS IF YOU ARE UP TO ACTUALLY READING CREDIBLE SOURCES INSTEAD OF THE WORD OF A FUCKING KID WHO MAKES A SHITTY VIDEO. YEAH, LET'S BELIEVE HIM OVER THE SCIENTISTS. DO YOU EVEN REALIZE HOW IDIOTIC ANYONE IS FOR BELIEVING THIS? DO YOU? DO YOU? SCIENTOLOGISTS FEELS SHITTED ON FOR PEOPLE BELIEVING IN A MORE OUTLANDISH STORY THAN THEIR OWN. K? K EDIT: Quote: The WTC was about to expire, so it had to come down or be totaly refitted which would had cost more money then it was worth. The US have attacked or allowed its things to be attacked before for their own interests, visit link below. ARE YOU SERIOUSLY SUGGESTING THAT BUSH SENT PLANES IN TO DEMOLISH THE WORLD TRADE CENTER IN ORDER TO "REFIT" IT? WHY WOULDN'T HE INSTEAD JUST DO A SCHEDULED DEMOLITION? WOULDN'T THAT MAKE MORE SENSE? THE ANSWER IS YES. AND A LOT MORE SENSIBLE THAN SENDING PLANES INTO BUILDINGS WHILE THERE ARE PEOPLE INSIDE, WHICH WOULD HAVE COSTED A LOT MORE THAN A SCHEDULED DEMOLITION OF THE WTC IN ORDER TO "REFIT" IT. ARE YOU SURE YOU DON'T HAVE VOICES IN YOUR HEAD GIVING YOU THESE IDEAS? HOW DO SOME OF YOU PEOPLE SLEEP AT NIGHT, WITH SUCH OVERWHELMING PARANOIA? http://www.boeing.com/commercial/prices/ JUST FOR ONE SOLITARY 747 ON ITS OWN. BY THE WAY, IF THIS WAS EVEN REMOTELY TRUE, THEN THEY WOULD HAVE STARTED REBUILDING THE WTC RIGHT AWAY. EVEN THOUGH I DON'T THINK THEY ARE NOW, APPARENTLY THERE IS A PETITION THAT CITIZENS MADE SO THAT WE COULD REBUILD THE WTC IN A WAY TO SHOW TERRORISTS THAT WE CAN ALWAYS REBUILD. UNLESS OF COURSE YOU THINK IT WAS BUSH WHO MADE UP THE PETITION.
Sniper_De7 wrote on Fri, 28 July 2006 07:20 Feetseek wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 23:21 If you don't know all the facts or you aren't 100% sure if one side of the story is true, then don't just close your mind to the other story. ...... not that I completely believe the conspiracy theory, its just that I don't believe that there is no chance of it being true. Anyways, is it really that impossible that the government would kill there own citizens??? About the plance that went for the pentagon-- did you actually hit it? I might have been just a clever plan to persuade people to believe that our country was being attacked by foreigners, could it not??? WHY WOULD THEY NEED TO HIT THE PENTAGON, TOO, FOR AMERICANS TO BELIEVE WE WERE BEING HIT BY TERRORISTS. UNLESS YOU ARE A DIMWITTED FOOL, AND I AM NOT RULING THIS THEORY OUT, I THINK EVERYONE GOT THE MESSAGE WHEN THE WTCs FELL. YOU'RE A DOOFUS FOR THINKING THAT ANYTHING EXTRA WOULD EVEN BE CONSIDERED "CLEVER". IF THERE EVER WAS THIS CONSPIRACY, IT WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN CLEVER PLAN TO GO AFTER THE PENTAGON WHEN THE WTC WOULD HAVE EASILY BEEN ENOUGH. NO, IT'S NOT *IMPOSSIBLE* THAT THE GOV'T WOULD KILL ITS OWN CITIZENS. IN THIS CASE, IT IS INFINATELY MORE LIKELY THAT TERRORISTS, WHOSE DUTY IN THEIR LIFE IS TO CREATE TERROR, KILL INNOCENT CITIZENS, AND DESTROY ANY FREEDOM OR "WEST" MOVEMENTS. THESE SAME TERRORISTS WISH TO WIPE THE ENTIRETY OF THE JEW POPULATION OFF THE MAP. BUT OH NO, ITS MUCH MORE PLAUSIBLE TO BELIEVE THE PRESIDENT IS CONSPIRING AGAINST HIS OWN COUNTRY SO THAT WE COULD USE MONEY ON THE WAR AND LOSE AMERICAN LIVES. Quote: If you don't know all the facts or you aren't 100% sure if one side of the story is true, then don't just close your mind to the other story. DO YOU EVEN READ YOUR OWN WRITING? IF YOU LOOKED IN THE MADDOX PAGE AND READ IT, IF YOU COULD READ IT, ON THE BOTTOM WERE LINKS TO DEBUNKING 16 OF THE MOST COMMON CONSPIRACY THEORIES. THE ONLY REASON WHY WE DON'T BELIEVE YOUR HORSESHIT THAN PINK UNICORNS DESTROYING THE WTC IS BECAUSE YOU CAN'T BRING UP A VALID POINT. ALL YOU'RE DOING NOW IS SAYING IS THAT ISN'T IT POSSIBLE FOR BUSH TO DO IT. YEAH, IT'S POSSIBLE, BUT AS MUCH POSSIBLE AS THE PINK UNICORNS. SHOW ME SOMETHING THAT WOULD SUGGEST HE DID IT AND IT'LL HAVE BEEN ALREADY DEBUNKED LONG AGO BY SCIENTISTS WHO *DO* THIS RESEARCH UNLIKE SILLY MORONS WHO BELIEVE EVERYTHING THAT'S SAID AND HAS NO BACKGROUND KNOWLEDGE ABOUT ANYTHING. MISSLE SHOT FROM PLANE CONSPIRACY? DEBUNKD STEEL MELTING POINT CONSPIRACY? DEBUNKD I COULD GO ON BUT I WILL LEAVE YOU TO READ IT, THAT IS IF YOU ARE UP TO ACTUALLY READING CREDIBLE SOURCES INSTEAD OF THE WORD OF A FUCKING KID WHO MAKES A SHITTY VIDEO. YEAH, LET'S BELIEVE HIM OVER THE SCIENTISTS. DO YOU EVEN REALIZE HOW IDIOTIC ANYONE IS FOR BELIEVING THIS? DO YOU? DO YOU? SCIENTOLOGISTS FEELS SHITTED ON FOR PEOPLE BELIEVING IN A MORE OUTLANDISH STORY THAN THEIR OWN. K? K Laaaaammbb! By gods, what's the issue some of the people have here? Not questioning the government, be it any country's government, is NOT a healthy thing to do(not to do). Especially after your government rips you away from your freedoms just like that. Grow some balls. <Random useless insults since it seems to be in>
Haven't we already questioned the gov't and debunked every conspiracy out there? The only thing left is the people believing the story who actually didn't read the debunks Edit: no, I'm not saying odn't question them. But when the same people regurgitate the same things over and over even though it's been debunked for over years. it gets tiring. if you want to side with them for actually questioning the gov't. Don't tell me anything, tell them to use something that hasn't been debunked for years and get some actual points. edit: if they can. Which, is kind of doubtful considering most people just show these videos being done by teenagers and pass it off as inexcapably true. and where the fuck did i suggest not questioning the gov't is good? Politicians do shit all the time. But I'm not going to question something that doesn't hold any water. I think coke killed Socrates with its weird aftertaste
Yeah, yeah, that's true, and your previous post actually did have a point in it now that I actually bothered to read it. Typing in caps doesn't have the same effect as shouting, since people can just skip the annoying part instead of having to listen... Anyway, I'm still not convinced either way, and probably never will be by the looks of it. I'm just annoyed at how the "free" part in the "land of the free" is being compromised, and there are still many who seem ignorant about it. I guess I'm just worried.
Yeah lets kill a few people who pay tax and then spend even more money cleaning it up and rebuilding MAKES 100% SENSE IF YOU THINK ABOUT IT
LOL, the US government is not directly responsible for the attacks - I bet my life on it. You can dig up the past and find evidence to explain why these nutters hated the US enough to make such an attack on it, but that doesn't mean the government is responsible. What governments and media does do is make their citizens so fucking obsessed with the constant threats that will "kill us all" that we don't mind them spending billions to fight a war that nobody cared about before and you forget all about the other things that matter in the world. Keep us scared, so that we will support them in fighting the evil and forget about people who live in poverty, crumbling schools, citizens with no health care - the things that actually affect the average person life in a big way.
I'd like to point out that Britain seems more of a target at the minute, considering we have just had 1st anniversary of the London bombings i think we are serious at with high muslim population racial tensions are always high,i remember going to Bradford to support my football team, and the people there just peered out the windows at us as if we were foriegn, it felt like a different country. We have the threat coming from from our home turf unlike the americans. I think we have uneccessarily waded into to support the Americans on whatever they want and its cost us.
Feetseek wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 21:21 About the plance that went for the pentagon-- did you actually hit it? I might have been just a clever plan to persuade people to believe that our country was being attacked by foreigners, could it not??? My boyfriend (Blazer on here) was in a high-rise condo near Washington, DC, on 9/11. He saw, with his own eyes, the plane right before it hit the Pentagon. It passed so closely to him that he could almost see the passengers inside if the plane weren't going so fast.
Something I like posting to just generally fuck with the conspiracy theorists and more specifically the Pentagon attack and all this proof that it was a missile, is this video... http://www.imadogg.com/videos/concreteplane.wmv People will cry and claim the lack of evidence, plane parts, etc etc etc etc prove it was a missile... Watch the video...it's a fighter on rails hitting a concrete wall at 500 miles an hour...what's left? Nothing except the extreme wing tips...period...the plane for lack of a better word atomizes itself into nothing in front of your eyes...so yeah...there would not be material like a water crash...a head on collision into a concrete wall will generally atomize the plane...some parts blew or broke off and it was going slower...but it's no where near the proof to cry it was a missile...plus no one could see a missile travelling at 700 mphs...but some could, and did (Like Blazer apparently), see the plane going in...it's a major DC artery (or just outside it) over Rt 27, Columbia Pike, 395, etc etc...and yeah...who looks up all day to even see a plane when 500 a day take off from Reagan...but some did...others just want fame to say it was whatever they want to say for 2 minutes of fame...the ones that actually saw the plane dismissed cause it's not compelling news...
Dogg wrote on Fri, 28 July 2006 13:25 Something I like posting to just generally fuck with the conspiracy theorists and more specifically the Pentagon attack and all this proof that it was a missile, is this video... http://www.imadogg.com/videos/concreteplane.wmv People will cry and claim the lack of evidence, plane parts, etc etc etc etc prove it was a missile... Watch the video...it's a fighter on rails hitting a concrete wall at 500 miles an hour...what's left? Nothing except the extreme wing tips...period...the plane for lack of a better word atomizes itself into nothing in front of your eyes...so yeah...there would not be material like a water crash...a head on collision into a concrete wall will generally atomize the plane...some parts blew or broke off and it was going slower...but it's no where near the proof to cry it was a missile...plus no one could see a missile travelling at 700 mphs...but some could, and did (Like Blazer apparently), see the plane going in...it's a major DC artery (or just outside it) over Rt 27, Columbia Pike, 395, etc etc...and yeah...who looks up all day to even see a plane when 500 a day take off from Reagan...but some did...others just want fame to say it was whatever they want to say for 2 minutes of fame...the ones that actually saw the plane dismissed cause it's not compelling news... Just to point out facts, there are relatively few who believe that it was a missile anyway, or at least not a missile alone. For example, if you try to counter the original video posted in this thread, they claimed it was a Global Hawk.
My favorites are still that it was military cargo jets that slammed into the WTC...and everyone on flight 93 was slaughtered in a hanger on some airport where they held the real flight...again, military jet or something else actually crashing in PA...lol
Crimson wrote on Fri, 28 July 2006 13:11 Feetseek wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 21:21 About the plance that went for the pentagon-- did you actually hit it? I might have been just a clever plan to persuade people to believe that our country was being attacked by foreigners, could it not??? My boyfriend (Blazer on here) was in a high-rise condo near Washington, DC, on 9/11. He saw, with his own eyes, the plane right before it hit the Pentagon. It passed so closely to him that he could almost see the passengers inside if the plane weren't going so fast. See... no matter how convincing movies are, they can't compete with hundreds of eyewitnesses all saying they saw the same thing. I used to somewhat buy Loose Change, but I thought about it long and hard and now I'm back on the "it was an attack" bandwagon. I think some videos should be released to put some stuff to rest. However, I don't think "why would we hurt our own country?!" is a valid argument. Don't be so naive to think our goverment is completely open to us and wouldn't do something drastic for gain in the higher powers.
mjfabian wrote on Fri, 28 July 2006 23:17 However, I don't think "why would we hurt our own country?!" is a valid argument. Don't be so naive to think our goverment is completely open to us and wouldn't do something drastic for gain in the higher powers. Like December 7, 1941? War was inevitable, but America was still too isolationist for their own good. We needed to be attacked before the public would go for this whole war thing. Yes, it was the Japanese who attacked us, but that doesn't mean we didn't know about it. Japanese carriers were given the order of strict radio silence. That silence was broken, intercepted, decyphered, and given to higher US military officials, and rumor has it that it even reached the ears of FDR. I don't think that it fell on deaf ears, either. I believe that officials let it slide due to the fact that they wanted in the war. I know that the government allows for things like this to happen, but I don't think that they're the ones to actually orchestrate the whole attacks. That's taking it a little too far and is treasonous.
xptek wrote on Fri, 28 July 2006 01:11 None of these stupid videos can ever provide a valid reason for the US government wanting to kill 2,700 people. ffs. 55000 americans were died horribly in vietnam for no purpose. and ur saying that the us don't kill 2700 civilians for their capitalist goals? remember that 12-13 yrs old kids somehow get a weapon and kill their classmates without any doubts in the us. the us do what they want. and unfortunately there's noone capable to stop this. because that's in their blood. time to wake up for u.
unknownLogan wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 05:52 xptek wrote on Fri, 28 July 2006 01:11 None of these stupid videos can ever provide a valid reason for the US government wanting to kill 2,700 people. ffs. 55000 americans were died horribly in vietnam for no purpose. and ur saying that the us don't kill 2700 civilians for their capitalist goals? remember that 12-13 yrs old kids somehow get a weapon and kill their classmates without any doubts in the us. the us do what they want. and unfortunately there's noone capable to stop this. because that's in their blood. time to wake up for u. Vietnam wasn't for "no purpose". The french scurried away and we believed that countries would follow communism. Learn your history, you need to. Upon that since what you said was completely false, yes, I do believe the U.S wouldn't hurt their economy least of all doing it by killing 2700 civilians. What would be the incentive there, captain Logic? Quote: remember that 12-13 yrs old kids somehow get a weapon and kill their classmates without any doubts in the us. How does this hold any bearing whatsoever? Unintelligent, deranged kids, who probably didn't get enough support from their parents or they didn't tell them right or wrong is something completely different than educated adults making decisions. Besides, There are 12-13 old kids that go to war, if you think that they're somehow incapable of doing violence at that age, you are way off the marker. Hell, some kids even blow themselves up for "the cause". Quote: the us do what they want. and unfortunately there's noone capable to stop this. because that's in their blood. No, the US don't do what they want. Because there ARE people capable of stopping us, even though we aren't doing anything wrong. "because that's in their blood" For one thing, all americans are not the same and we do not all agree with decisions and never will for whatever reasons. Same goes with ANY large country. So thanks for the stereotype and could you please use logic next time? Let me ask, are you dutch? This is what it breaks down to. 1. You believe the US killed 2700 civilians so that they can damage their own economy for what? So we could lose billions of dollars? Well that's a good reason Cpt. Logic. Or 2. You could believe that Terrorists hijacked a commercial plane (Which, would probably have seemed the least-likely thing to have happened) not to mention the fact that we wouldn't have thought something like this would have happened meaning our guard would have been down and much more possible to have hijacked our planes. Note also that they went for the WTC which would damage our economy while killing 2700 civilians. I'd say that would be a clear-cut terrorist thinking. They do billions of damage losing each commercial airplane but they also kill 2700 civilians, hurt our economy by destroying the WTC and attempt to run into the pentagon. I mean didn't they just declare a holy war on israel anyways? Not really israel, but jews in particular. The very same people wish to exterminate every last jew, ADMITEDLY. Does this sound like someone we know? I know your history isn't that great but perhaps you know about Hitler? If you're going to make such outlandish comments would you PLEASE just like re-read what you are going to say and ask yourself if this makes any sense because someone shouldn't be doing this for you. Open YOUR eyes and stop following the propaganda of your country and think for yourself. Conformist.
There are people who still benefit from said 2700 deaths. Weapons manufacturers, for one. Quote: even though we aren't doing anything wrong. LOL. Yes, the United States in all it's greatness has a perfect record with its foreign policies. They haven't resulted in 100's of thousands of deaths, I swear.
Crimson wrote on Fri, 28 July 2006 13:11 Feetseek wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 21:21 About the plance that went for the pentagon-- did you actually hit it? I might have been just a clever plan to persuade people to believe that our country was being attacked by foreigners, could it not??? My boyfriend (Blazer on here) was in a high-rise condo near Washington, DC, on 9/11. He saw, with his own eyes, the plane right before it hit the Pentagon. It passed so closely to him that he could almost see the passengers inside if the plane weren't going so fast. WTF HE WUZ PAYD OFF BAI TEH GUVRNMENT 2 LEI 2 U ADN ALL OF US WTFOMGBBQLOL It would be nice if they released more footage of the airplane hitting, though. As I recall, there was more than just one camera watching; there were also cameras on the interstate and on top of hotels and such, but the FBI all took themand haven't released them as of yet.
For the record, there were several snakes on that plane.
Sniper_De7 wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 07:03 unknownLogan wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 05:52 xptek wrote on Fri, 28 July 2006 01:11 None of these stupid videos can ever provide a valid reason for the US government wanting to kill 2,700 people. ffs. 55000 americans were died horribly in vietnam for no purpose. and ur saying that the us don't kill 2700 civilians for their capitalist goals? remember that 12-13 yrs old kids somehow get a weapon and kill their classmates without any doubts in the us. the us do what they want. and unfortunately there's noone capable to stop this. because that's in their blood. time to wake up for u. Vietnam wasn't for "no purpose". The french scurried away and we believed that countries would follow communism. Learn your history, you need to. Upon that since what you said was completely false, yes, I do believe the U.S wouldn't hurt their economy least of all doing it by killing 2700 civilians. What would be the incentive there, captain Logic? Quote: remember that 12-13 yrs old kids somehow get a weapon and kill their classmates without any doubts in the us. How does this hold any bearing whatsoever? Unintelligent, deranged kids, who probably didn't get enough support from their parents or they didn't tell them right or wrong is something completely different than educated adults making decisions. Besides, There are 12-13 old kids that go to war, if you think that they're somehow incapable of doing violence at that age, you are way off the marker. Hell, some kids even blow themselves up for "the cause". Quote: the us do what they want. and unfortunately there's noone capable to stop this. because that's in their blood. No, the US don't do what they want. Because there ARE people capable of stopping us, even though we aren't doing anything wrong. "because that's in their blood" For one thing, all americans are not the same and we do not all agree with decisions and never will for whatever reasons. Same goes with ANY large country. So thanks for the stereotype and could you please use logic next time? Let me ask, are you dutch? This is what it breaks down to. 1. You believe the US killed 2700 civilians so that they can damage their own economy for what? So we could lose billions of dollars? Well that's a good reason Cpt. Logic. Or 2. You could believe that Terrorists hijacked a commercial plane (Which, would probably have seemed the least-likely thing to have happened) not to mention the fact that we wouldn't have thought something like this would have happened meaning our guard would have been down and much more possible to have hijacked our planes. Note also that they went for the WTC which would damage our economy while killing 2700 civilians. I'd say that would be a clear-cut terrorist thinking. They do billions of damage losing each commercial airplane but they also kill 2700 civilians, hurt our economy by destroying the WTC and attempt to run into the pentagon. I mean didn't they just declare a holy war on israel anyways? Not really israel, but jews in particular. The very same people wish to exterminate every last jew, ADMITEDLY. Does this sound like someone we know? I know your history isn't that great but perhaps you know about Hitler? If you're going to make such outlandish comments would you PLEASE just like re-read what you are going to say and ask yourself if this makes any sense because someone shouldn't be doing this for you. Open YOUR eyes and stop following the propaganda of your country and think for yourself. Conformist. those are totally wrong, shallow, subjective, and cant be supported, EVER! i told about the kids because i was trying to tell about the social situation of the us. but obviously, u didnt get that. u cant get involved into another countries' business, and im not giving any reasons for that fact, because thats obvious. i hope u can get that. middle east... motherland of the civilizations (i bet u didnt know that)... trust me, the disagreement is between arabs and israelis, not all of the jews. baghdat, damascus, jerusalem,... were found thousands of years ago, while there werent any european cities, and while there were no u.s. middle easterners are there for a very long time, and trust me theyve no hateful feelings, they belive in brotherhood, but israel is the one doing shit, and thats why theyre struggling against israel, but that is not against the whole jews on the planet. because theyre not europeans or americans (check the history of the social life in roman empire for more information). and theyre just defending themselves, because they were kicked out of their land. try to get that too. btw im not dutch, im not european, and luckily im not american either. please, tell me how can u damage the economy of a country like the us by destroying buildings, since there are billions(u know what billion is?) in process in the us economy? even kids dont believe that. that attack was just an excuse, to get to the middle east and afghanistan, and to the rich oil reserves. the 2nd greatest oil reserves are below kerkuk, the northeast of iraq. and obviously, u dont know that too. and accept that u totally messed up on that, didnt u? ur miserable, illiterate, and obviosly n00b. go play generals.
unknownLogan wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 15:50 ur miserable, illiterate, and obviosly n00b. go play generals. This really sums up your argument well.
SpyGuy246 wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 16:56 unknownLogan wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 15:50 ur miserable, illiterate, and obviosly n00b. go play generals. This really sums up your argument well. This sums up everybody else's argument: Logan, you are an idiot.
unknownLogan wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 15:50 those are totally wrong, shallow, subjective, and cant be supported, EVER! *what* is totally wrong? What parts? Would you care to tell me? What part is shallow? "Those"? Wow... What can't be supportive? There are words you need to add in your statement to make sense of it. Quote: i told about the kids because i was trying to tell about the social situation of the us. but obviously, u didnt get that. Why? What does that have anything to do with this? Like I said before, even if you were talking about the social situation of the US, which isn't it, it still has absolutely nothing to do with Bush orchestrating 911. Besides, you cannot judge a country on what few individuals do. Well you can, it'd just be stupid to. Quote: u cant get involved into another countries' business, and im not giving any reasons for that fact, because thats obvious. i hope u can get that. I have no idea of the point of this is, but by this brand of logic perhaps we shouldn't help Africa or any other countries. In fact, all we should have to worry about is ourselves, and that way, the people dying and the people who have no choice about how they wish to live, can just starve/be killed by their leaders. Quote: middle east... motherland of the civilizations (i bet u didnt know that)... trust me, the disagreement is between arabs and israelis, not all of the jews. baghdat, damascus, jerusalem,... were found thousands of years ago, while there werent any european cities, and while there were no u.s. middle easterners are there for a very long time, and trust me theyve no hateful feelings, they belive in brotherhood, but israel is the one doing shit, and thats why theyre struggling against israel, but that is not against the whole jews on the planet. because theyre not europeans or americans (check the history of the social life in roman empire for more information). and theyre just defending themselves, because they were kicked out of their land. try to get that too. http://www.israelnationalnews.com/news.php3?id=108542 Al-qaida, the terrorist organization really responsible for 911 calls for a holy war against Israel and says "It is Jihad for sake of Allah and will last until our religion prevails from Spain to Iraq" Spain to Iraq.. hmm Doesn't sound evil to me. Anyways, Israel has done pretty much everything asked of them from Arab nations and has even given them the land they wanted and yet still get attacked without provoking it. Quote: btw im not dutch, im not european, and luckily im not american either. The Americans and the Europeans dodged a bullet, then. Quote: please, tell me how can u damage the economy of a country like the us by destroying buildings, since there are billions(u know what billion is?) in process in the us economy? even kids dont believe that. that attack was just an excuse, to get to the middle east and afghanistan, and to the rich oil reserves. the 2nd greatest oil reserves are below kerkuk, the northeast of iraq. and obviously, u dont know that too. and accept that u totally messed up on that, didnt u? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11,_2001_attacks#Econ omic_aftermath I suggest reading that, or reading all of it if you wish. Note also that we have our own oil that we can produce in the U.S. and if we *really* wanted oil that badly, or needed it, then we could easily have done it here in the U.S. Quote: ur miserable, illiterate, and obviosly n00b. go play generals. How did anything I say portray me as anything "miserable?". How did anything I say portray me as "illiterate"? How does having this discussion have any bearing on how good I am at this game. Because the last time I checked if you were good at arguing it doesn't mean you're good at video games. Besides, what clans have YOU been in that were considered good? I was in gse, which was one of the best clans to have played (6v6+) How many clanwars have you played? Have you ever been in a clan? Or have you been playing in public CTF games since you bought this game with the first decade patch?
i agree with logan. Logan isn't an idiot. I believe the WTC was a conspiracy. And um... about those eyewitnesses. They were bribed. I saw this conspiracy video and they should this fbi guy giving a bribe to those eyewitnesses. I am not LIEING. I saw it but sadly i don't have the video. A uncle of mine lended it to me for 2 days. : /
Quote: i agree with logan. Logan isn't an idiot. I believe the WTC was a conspiracy. And um... about those eyewitnesses. They were bribed. I saw this conspiracy video and they should this fbi guy giving a bribe to those eyewitnesses. I am not LIEING. I saw it but sadly i don't have the video. A uncle of mine lended it to me for 2 days. : / Right. You saw a video showing "damning" evidence of the FBI bribing eyewitnesses, but you oh-so-conveniently don't have access to the video and thus cannot post it as proof of your position. That shows you have something to hide- possibly that the video was faked and might be revealed for the forgery it is, but more likely because there was no such video in the first place. "I'm not lying" is a statement worth as much on the internet as a grain of sand is on a beach in the Baja. If you don't provide proof, you'd better have some damned good reasoning (or a blatantly obvious point) or all anybody will do is laugh at and berate you. Not to mention that something as simple as proper grammar and spelling goes enormous lengths toward showing that you actually have something worth saying (it's an old story- if you don't care how you look, don't be surprised when no one else cares to look at you).
unknownLogan wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 16:50 u cant get involved into another countries' business, and im not giving any reasons for that fact, because thats obvious. i hope u can get that. ... im not american You are a total fucking retard.
Comrade wrote on Thu, 03 August 2006 17:30 For the record, there were several snakes on that plane. You mother fuckin' what?
appshot wrote on Wed, 09 August 2006 14:51 i agree with logan. Logan isn't an idiot. I believe the WTC was a conspiracy. And um... about those eyewitnesses. They were bribed. I saw this conspiracy video and they should this fbi guy giving a bribe to those eyewitnesses. I am not LIEING. I saw it but sadly i don't have the video. A uncle of mine lended it to me for 2 days. : / I'll be one of the first to say that I hate Maddox, but I can't disagree here: http://www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi?u=911_morons Most specifically:
the videos posted on the web are biased liberal democrats trying there best to turn the country against the bush administration.... liberals are biased towards good americans and lenient towrds terrorists in there media columns (New york times) in particular.. nothing they have to say is worth listening to!!!
korhound wrote on Thu, 10 August 2006 20:59 the videos posted on the web are biased liberal democrats trying there best to turn the country against the bush administration.... liberals are biased towards good americans and lenient towrds terrorists in there media columns (New york times) in particular.. nothing they have to say is worth listening to!!! Ignorance much? Last I checked, most of the country is "against" the Bush Administration.
arent there like thirty of these threads already? Let a dead dog lie... Regardless of wether it was some "government conspiracy" or just a genuine terrorist attack, it doesn't matter. Why? because in the end, if it were some conspiracy, we would NEVER have absolute proof of it. Everyone has heard the theories, seen the supposed evidence. Just give it a rest already.
appshot wrote on Wed, 09 August 2006 14:51 i agree with logan. Logan isn't an idiot. I believe the WTC was a conspiracy. And um... about those eyewitnesses. They were bribed. I saw this conspiracy video and they should this fbi guy giving a bribe to those eyewitnesses. I am not LIEING. I saw it but sadly i don't have the video. A uncle of mine lended it to me for 2 days. : / OH NOES! THAT MEANS THAT BLAZER, ONE OF THE PEOPLE IN THIS FORUM WHO SAW THE PLANE CRASH INTO THE PENTAGON, WAS ACTUALLY BRIBED!!!! WTF CRIMSON, YOUR BOYFRIEND IS A LYING SCUMBAG, YOU SHOULD DUMP HIS ASS RIGHT THE FUCK NOW! CAPS LOCK FTW </sarcasm> Isn't it funny that you can state these things, but you can't back them up? You claim you saw a video, but it's your "uncle's" video, so you can't show it to us. I can equally say that I saw video proof of the lost city of Atlantis rising from the depths, but unfortunately I lost it in my last hard drive format. But I'm telling you I saw it! Therefore it MUST be true!
If anyone is itnerested, I uploaded the photos and video that I took of the Pentagon on 9-11, as well as some I took from a close vantage point a few days later. They can be found Here. These are pictures that I personally took. The capture time and date are in the EXIF data. The pictures were taken with a Sony Mavica MVC-CD1000, which records directly to CDR mini-discs. I did not see the actual impact, as the Pentagon was located on the other side of my apartment building. Lame ascii art alert: __ / \ Pentagon / \__/ _________ cccccc< Plane | *|me \ pics|* | |_________| From my apartment window (noted by "me" above). I saw the plane fly right by. It was very low and moving very fast (according to Radar reports it was going 500mph). I could actually see the people in the cockpit as well as passengers in the windows as it went by. Shortly afterwards, I also saw the C130 cargo plane that was apparent sent to follow. Around the same time I heard reports on the local radio that people in the streets saw the cargo plane fly overhead. At the time, even though seeing the plane flying low and fast, where planes never fly...for some reason it didn't occur to any of us that it was going to hit the Pentagon. I remember we were watching the news, my TV was right next to the window, and my then-girlfriend first noticed the plane out the window and pointed to it and said "What's that plane doing...it's flying so low...that's making me nervous". I got up and went to the window and watched it go by. At the time I just figured it was some low flying plane. I guess the things happening in New York seemed so far away, that we didn't make the connection. I guess we were still in shock over what was happening. Once they announced on the news that the Pentagon was hit, we ran out to the living room and watched for a few minutes on the big screen TV. We were shocked to say the least. We questioned whether the muffled noise we had heard was the explosion. My roomate ran out the door and down the hall to a spot that has windows facing that way, and he came back and said that the Pentagon was on fire. We then all ran down the hall, and looked out the window along with several other building tennants. We took the pictures and video that I put online. We then realized the full scope of what had happened, and how fortunate my then-girlfriend was. She was working as a contractor with the Pentagon rennovation project, and had she gone to work on time, she would have been in the very area that the plane hit and destroyed. She was late for work however from spending the night at my place. Had she not, she most likely would have been killed. We went for a drive to try and get closer, but they roads were blocked off. A few days later we went to a nearby mall, that we knew had a good view of the Pentagon from the top level parking structure. Surprisingly the top level was not blocked off, except for some police tape to prevent people from going too close to the side facing the Pentagon. I then took the other pictures you see in my gallery. That day pretty much changed Washington DC forever. No more can you just drive by the whitehouse, or walk near it. Concrete barricades are all over the place, constant reminders that we now have to be on guard against any thing that could happen at any time. For quite awhile, the highway near the pentagon had Humvees with missle launchers on top of them parked next to the road. Miltiary personnel were everywhere. The worst thing about the whole event, was realizing that nobody is safe. Of course nobody ever was really safe, but until something like this happens you are lulled into a sense of security. Anytime we had seen something bad happen, it was in some other country or place, just images on the TV or newspaper. Things like that don't happen HERE...not to US...right? I suppose the terrorists goals were not only to kill and destroy, but to make us feel unsafe. In many ways, they succeeded on all counts. I think we feel much safer these days, since we have constant reminders of the steps being taken to keep this from happening again (the airport security checks, concrete barricades, etc). Even with those reminders of what could happen and how safe we are supposed to be, there are still fresh events, like the latest attempt to blow up planes with liquid explosives, to remind us that there are people who would like to destroy our way of life. We can never forget that we are constantly in someones crosshairs (sometimes literally...fucking snipers - I was in the thick of that too but that's another story), and although security measures may seem like a pain in the ass, or in some cases an invasion of privacy, we have seen what can happen if we do not protect ourselves. EDIT: I typed way more than I intended here. Sorry about that. I had just meant to upload the pictures that I took and post the link to them. I guess when you have been through an experience like that, its hard to just mention it in passing. P.S. I realize my ASCII pentagon is not actually a pentagon. I did the best I could
xptek wrote on Thu, 27 July 2006 12:11 None of these stupid videos can ever provide a valid reason for the US government wanting to kill 2,700 people. The goverment might not want to, but a certain gruop of people would love to, and no I'm not talking about Alquada.
I've intentionally stayed out of this discussion because it takes a lot of energy to intelligently debate something like this - and I just don't have that kind of energy right now. But I will say one thing: Please do not ever confuse the government of a nation with the nation itself. I love my country and would protect it with my life. I hate my government, and if needed would rally against it. So to expand on that, please do not confuse the military with the bad guys. They simply follow the orders of those appointed over them and are patriots. If there is conspiracy here it is because they were lied to as well.
My friend do you see the pyramid? Thats what a goverment is, the top controls the bottom, the inbetwen sections CAN speak out about the wrong and injuctices, but they are controled by money, so they do thier jobs scilently, hence the all seeing eye, if they see juctice they can easyly crush it, all the way down of the pyramid you have your wal-mart and you and me. My god what has this world come to, oww wait I know but if I post it you people will think that I am crazy. Through out all of humanity TOTAL control was and still is a goal. Just look at some of your everyday logos, look for the eye and the triangle.
thrash300 wrote on Wed, 06 September 2006 23:40 My friend do you see the pyramid? Thats what a goverment is, the top controls the bottom, the inbetwen sections CAN speak out about the wrong and injuctices, but they are controled by money, so they do thier jobs scilently, hence the all seeing eye, if they see juctice they can easyly crush it, all the way down of the pyramid you have your wal-mart and you and me. My god what has this world come to, oww wait I know but if I post it you people will think that I am crazy. Through out all of humanity TOTAL control was and still is a goal. Just look at some of your everyday logos, look for the eye and the triangle. We, the people, have the ability to change our government. However, too many people don't care enough to actually vote to make the government work for us better. Instead, they just expect the government to fix their problems. If people didn't rely so heavily on the government, the government wouldn't be so powerful. It's merely a matter of putting the power back into the hands of the people. Money corrupts. Powerful individuals run the government. They are who fund the politicians who then work to please those who fund their campaigns. If we would elect those who are not sponsored by big money in our own communities, then maybe it could stretch to our state governments and then eventually to federal. This ties into my first point. It won't happen, though. The only way to completely get rid of the corruption would be to topple the government and/or set new reforms allowing only so much money given to politicians. However, in doing so, that takes away from our constitutional rights. Even if it did happen, the corruption cycle would just start all over again. :\ Now, your crazy conspiricies are ridiculous. Stop thinking that everything in a conspiracy. For all I know, you probably think I'm some government agent sent to silence people like you. I wouldn't be surprised if you think my words are due to another government conspiracy.
The secret Zionist/Masonic conspiracy was printed on our money so everyone could see it. Really, you've lost all credibility you pretended to have.