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Dear Crimson, I'm writing on behalf of the community to ask you to resign renforums to people who care, and generally have time to devote to the wellbeing of Renegade. Crimson, what are you doing to better the forums? New moderators are nonexistent (just like the current moderating staff), the mission of the forums has faded, and you are hardly posting here. Have you noticed that the administration here is closely paralleling the admin situation that existed in the Westwood Renforums? Or are you never here enough to notice? Take a moment and read the topics in your forums. They lack any kind of direction/unity. This is because interest in renegade is dying. Maybe so many communities wouldn't fail if you supported the community in the caliber you claim to. This involves actually updating your projects. When was the last time BHS made any critical or useful updates to the game? Actually... Where were you when EA once again screwed the honest WOL user by choosing XWIS over your supposedly working WOL clone? Did you not care enough to convince Mike Verdu that n00bstories had the capacity and honesty to run WOL? Knowing that so many technically capible, motived n00bstories members would help you run it. Where were you when your real followers tried time and time again to help you, but you just discarded them? You have the power, Crimson, not us. Resign, because you obviously can't represent the little guy. You don't care enough to correctly maintain the little guy's forums. Just throw the towel in, Christine. -null
null wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 00:03 I'm writing on behalf of the community Wait.... So when did the community decide this? I must have missed the meeting....
I assume he is speaking figurativly. I'm not saying I agreeing with him but I don't necessarily disagree with everyhting he says.
she does alot. She hosts game servers, a IRC server, and RG/BHS and she is always around you are just blind.
Anybody with a credit card can do that. You have to have dedication to run a community.
null wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 01:03 Where were you when EA once again screwed the honest WOL user by choosing XWIS over your supposedly working WOL clone? Probably supporting the change since the alternative was no WOL at all. Quote: When was the last time BHS made any critical or useful updates to the game? Two days ago.
She has done alot for/with this community has she not? She posts here more often then she used to. Look at me try to sound intellegent...Even know i'm not. Am I getting anywhere?
Kamuix wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 00:17 She posts here more often then she used to. \ She used to post alot more.
Probably true, I used to only post in the mod forum I never pay Etention
There are SO many alternatives to WOL. But you're too much of an idiot to know that, because you're just an op from IRC. First being WU. WU was created by WSE, yes, Westwood Exposed. They were the first to offer an alternative to WOL, way back in 2002 when VTed started winding things down (firing Sherry, setting +m in all channels). This never got off the ground, because Revolt and Ty got in a fight. Second being CNCR. This EXISTED and was ran by Revolt, England, Kholdstare, Epyon and others and hosted by Edexcel. Heres the ones that never made it online: ApaxTeam - x210 created many WOL clones and used Revolts. This never took off because of financial problems, and x210's lack of dedication. GNOL/TSWOS - Me and semanuk's project to create a Delphi WOL clone with full support for battleclans. It never made it online because our server provider got tired of waiting for us. REOL - Developed by Scorpio9a. Functioning. Never stayed online because nobody cared enough. This is the version Crimson was supposedly ready to use. Here are some currently developed WOL clones FSGS - Not under development anymore PvPGN - Full support for every WOL game except Renegade pyWOL - Actively developed Python WOL clone. Dont even start with me about "there was no alternative". There was no reason, other than Crimson's apathy, that XWIS should have been selected as the successor to WOL. As for the updates, I'm talking about something other than maintanance that can give the community a reason to exist.
I agree with the renewing of the moderators, ive been waiting around for years for that to open. The current ones are barely around, and there is plenty of trash that needs to be thrown out. Just look at the Silo, it still has that Dead Five post on top and there has been plenty of "grain" worthy topics since then.
I'm aware of the WOL clones, but how many people are willing to and have the capacity to support those? Not to mention XWIS had already been supporting other C&C games for a few years. I find it incredibly hard to believe that EA would have ran around having "try-outs" looking for the best candidate to take over WOL, of all things. You know, since they care so much about it. If the deal with XWIS didn't work out, WOL probably would of reverted back to being ran by EA, or more likely would have just been shut down altogether. Maybe you've been gone too long, but last time I checked jadame has absolutely nothing to to with renforums, renguard, WOL, or BHS. He's an IRCop on the network of a friend.
dude#1 wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 00:10 null wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 00:03 I'm writing on behalf of the community Wait.... So when did the community decide this? I must have missed the meeting.... I know I sure as hell didn't get the memo. Whiskey tango foxtrot. Quote: Take a moment and read the topics in your forums. They lack any kind of direction/unity. Yes, because everyone KNOWS that people won't, heaven forbid, talk about DIFFERENT TOPICS. I mean, seriously! It's not like we can post multiple discussions anyway, much less in categorized subforums! Quote: This is because interest in renegade is dying. How old is Renegade again? Quote: Where were you when EA once again screwed the honest WOL user by choosing XWIS over your supposedly working WOL clone? I fail to see what is so horrible about XWIS. I connect and play games just like WOL. XWIS > Nil, as said before, as well. Quote: ...n00bstories had the capacity and honesty to run WOL? Again, what is so utterly horrid about XWIS? I'm pretty sure it's running. Quote: Where were you when your real followers tried time and time again to help you, but you just discarded them? Such as when? Quote: You have the power, Crimson, not us. [snip] ...the little guy's forums. Contradictions FOR THE WIN! How is she "failing to represent the little guy"? Who is this "little guy" and what's "failing to be represented"? Quote: Anybody with a credit card can do that. You have to have dedication to run a community. Because she obviously doesn't need "care" or "dedication" to spend from her own pocket to keep the community running. And even if she DID resign, who, pray tell, do you nominate to replace her? And I fail to see what a single IRCop has to do with the entire community. Are we all one big chatroom? I think not. Last I checked, IRCops managed IRC.
It said in my post that Crimson's true loyal followers could have easily helped her with it, instead of just looking at her channel ops, like you. The only reason Olaf got WOL is because he bugged the shit out of EA. The transition was all his idea, otherwise, WOL would have just sat there until it got terminated by EALA, just like Earth and Beyond. The reason he got it is because HE CARED ENOUGH TO ASK AHEAD OF TIME.
9 out of 10 posts on this forum are egotist smart asses trying to look better than everyone else
dude#1 wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 00:10 Because she obviously doesn't need "care" or "dedication" to spend from her own pocket to keep the community running. And even if she DID resign, who, pray tell, do you nominate to replace her? And I fail to see what a single IRCop has to do with the entire community. Are we all one big chatroom? I think not. Last I checked, IRCops managed IRC. You have no idea how many times people, who have supported her since late 2002, have been disregarded. If she did resign, I'd say whoever gets a forum up faster will be the new community leader, just like everything else. The IRCop's attitude reflects Crimson's idea of administration. Have some random, power abusing people who have nothing to do with the Renegade community, step right in, write rules, manage and run a place they have no real connection with.
Sparkmist wrote on Sat, 24 June 2006 23:45 9 out of 10 posts on this forum are egotist smart asses trying to look better than everyone else Amen. I'm glad somebody here is looking at this message with thought, instead of just thinking "this guy is anti-crimson, so I'm going to find fault in everything he says and blind myself from the truth".
I'm pretty sure that includes yourself. You are the one who came back here and tried to belittle the administration in a poor attempt to promote your own ideas. I can't think of any reason people should even be listening to you. You stormed out of this community in a whining rage a couple years ago, and have had little to do with it since. What position are you in exactly to suddenly decide what is best for the whole?
The only reason I left was because I recognized that there was no fairness or regard for what is important in the community anymore. Quote: You are the one who came back here and tried to belittle the administration in a poor attempt to promote your own ideas. I can't belittle what doesnt exist. Quote: I can't think of any reason people should even be listening to you. I was hoping maybe the "laypeople" of the community, mainly because people like you, in an administrative position, see nothing wrong with whats going on. Quote: What position are you in exactly to suddenly decide what is best for the whole? Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one who cares about the wellbeing of the Westwood fans, because everyone else is just passive.
Oblivion165 wrote: Just look at the Silo, it still has that Dead Five post on top . . . . . .THAT, of all posts, is still there? Lol. . .
I read these forums several times a day. Just because I don't post in the general threads doesn't mean I'm not here. I still have TONS of dedication to this community. Remember, n00bstories doesn't run anything. The entity that I am a part of that is dedicated solely to Renegade is Blackhand Studios. If you think we're not doing anything, I might remind you that jonwil released scripts.dll 2.8 TWO DAYS AGO. As for the rest of things, you have no idea what conversations have transpired between the person I talk to at EA (who is, incidentally, NOT Mike Verdu) and myself. Things move slowly at EA and I do not release information about things that may or may not happen until I have permission from them. As it stands now, I actively use administrative access with XWIS to keep things in line. I also run one of the most popular servers in the game, serving out 2 terabytes each month. I am still as dedicated as ever to this community and it's pure insanity for anyone to think otherwise. Just because I don't always participate in the day-to-day "post your desktop" threads and such doesn't mean that I don't care or that I'm not paying attention. This is a GENERAL forum. Not to mention the silent storm YSLMuffins who has been diligently keeping the Mod forum in line for a couple of years now, and warranto who visits here several times daily as well. Amanda, aka Jadame Tamuli, is not a part of the Renegade community. He is a fan of older Westwood games and I met him in the old #ww channel several years ago. His maturity and knowledge with IRC and mIRC earned him op, then oper status on the n00bstories network. Since n00bstories.com is a site for gamers in ALL online games, not just Renegade, there is no need for him to be even remotely interested in the game for him to be a great fit for his position. BHS runs things for Renegade, and BHS helps administrate XWIS Renegade. NOT n00bstories. Just because I am part of both doesn't make it true. I generally believe that if it isn't broke, don't fix it. While not everything at XWIS is running exactly as I would do it, I don't think the difference are enough to justify any sort of revolt against them. The servers are VERY stable, the ban tools work quite well, and Olaf and DonCarlo are very quick to respond to my emails if I have any problems. I can't ask for much more than that. Furthermore, all of the people YOU mentioned are current or ex script kiddies who could never be trusted with serials and IPs of players. To everyone else: I appreciate your support. Though normally on a Saturday I get the luxury of sitting at my computer for several hours, my mom is in town staying at my house with her three younger kids, one of which just had a birthday on Thursday. So, I have spent most of the day in my pool and eating barbecued steak.
I think you're confusing things here. The staff of n00bstories have one purpose: administrate and moderate n00bstories. that's it. we don't need to know much anything about the inner workings of communities, we just make sure people like you don't get far with your idiocy. Crimson can run mulitple organizations without each member knowing everything the others do. My boss at work has two other corporations he owns, runs all three. I don't know shit about the other two, except that they're doing well. So it doesn't really seem to matter.
If you are so well informed as you say, than you must have another username on this forum. Why than did you not post using your real name? I have been here for quite awhile, following things passively long before I registered, and I have had no complaints regarding her servers or these forums. As far as I am concerned, the BHS team has kept Renegade running, and unless some other group comes foward showing any care or effort towards Renegade, you should keep quiet or take up your issues with Crimson personally. Thank You Crimson for everything you have done for Renegade and the community.
The only gripe I can bring to mind is neither XWIS nor RenegadeCommunity.com have, or have ever had, anything in the way of clan support for Renegade. I'm just saying, I've brought up a suggestion which will benefit everyone and be of detriment to no-one, and it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. On the ears of Electronic Arts, however, it's resulted in our league being sponsored with hundreds of dollars' worth of prizes, which I think is food for thought for all the EA-haters on this forum who claim they don't support the older games.
MaidenTy1 wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 22:49 it's resulted in our league being sponsored with hundreds of dollars' worth of prizes, which I think is food for thought for all the EA-haters on this forum who claim they don't support the older games. They don't, they pay other people to do it. AFAIK EA pays (or at least contributes to) the XWIS bandwidth bill.
MaidenTy1 wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:49 The only gripe I can bring to mind is neither XWIS nor RenegadeCommunity.com have, or have ever had, anything in the way of clan support for Renegade. I'm just saying, I've brought up a suggestion which will benefit everyone and be of detriment to no-one, and it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. On the ears of Electronic Arts, however, it's resulted in our league being sponsored with hundreds of dollars' worth of prizes, which I think is food for thought for all the EA-haters on this forum who claim they don't support the older games. Renegadecommunity.com support will probably rise to a 1000-fold of what it is now in a couple of days/weeks. Stay tuned... As to this thread: the only thing I miss at the moment are regular updates on Renguard. For the remaining we got: - Core Patch 1 and 2; - scripts version 10800; - an active community forum where some people actually help others and a bunch of idiots come together to flame eachother but still the persons helping others make it all worthy; - renegadewiki; - renegadecommunity.com which is unsupported atm but should get the support it deserves very soon; - Xwis running WOL the best it can. Allthough I cannot understand they still haven't put Renegade in their forum title and apparantly can't find a solution to the problems with serials, I do agree that they function quite nicely; - A new Brenbot version in the making, allthough not by a BHS member; - ... So all in all, I don't think we're doing that badly. Moreover, I usually have a quick answer on my PM's from Crimson.
light wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 07:09 MaidenTy1 wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 22:49 it's resulted in our league being sponsored with hundreds of dollars' worth of prizes, which I think is food for thought for all the EA-haters on this forum who claim they don't support the older games. They don't, they pay other people to do it. Your statement is nonsense.
null you have 9 fucking posts, who the hell are you to go asking her to resign`? or hiding your real name huh`?
your opinion is null and void... (sorry, couldnt resist ^^) But I agree with what others have said, crimson does a lot more for this community than you give her credit for, and signing up here and immediatly asking her to resign is ludicrous...
Goztow wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 06:42 MaidenTy1 wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:49 The only gripe I can bring to mind is neither XWIS nor RenegadeCommunity.com have, or have ever had, anything in the way of clan support for Renegade. I'm just saying, I've brought up a suggestion which will benefit everyone and be of detriment to no-one, and it seems to have fallen on deaf ears. On the ears of Electronic Arts, however, it's resulted in our league being sponsored with hundreds of dollars' worth of prizes, which I think is food for thought for all the EA-haters on this forum who claim they don't support the older games. Renegadecommunity.com support will probably rise to a 1000-fold of what it is now in a couple of days/weeks. Stay tuned... As to this thread: the only thing I miss at the moment are regular updates on Renguard. For the remaining we got: - Core Patch 1 and 2; - scripts version 10800; - an active community forum where some people actually help others and a bunch of idiots come together to flame eachother but still the persons helping others make it all worthy; - renegadewiki; - renegadecommunity.com which is unsupported atm but should get the support it deserves very soon; - Xwis running WOL the best it can. Allthough I cannot understand they still haven't put Renegade in their forum title and apparantly can't find a solution to the problems with serials, I do agree that they function quite nicely; - A new Brenbot version in the making, allthough not by a BHS member; - ... So all in all, I don't think we're doing that badly. Moreover, I usually have a quick answer on my PM's from Crimson. Renegadecommunity.com was Renardin's idea, and all its used for is to push Reborn.
null wrote on Sat, 24 June 2006 23:14 Please. Wow, you sure showed them.
bigejoe14 wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 08:50 null wrote on Sat, 24 June 2006 23:14 Please. Wow, you sure showed them. Why don't you look at the big picture instead of critisizing me?
Crimson wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 00:29 I read these forums several times a day. Just because I don't post in the general threads doesn't mean I'm not here. I still have TONS of dedication to this community. Take the time to post more, and keep the community fresh then. Quote: If you think we're not doing anything, I might remind you that jonwil released scripts.dll 2.8 TWO DAYS AGO. Are you jonwil? Quote: As for the rest of things, you have no idea what conversations have transpired between the person I talk to at EA (who is, incidentally, NOT Mike Verdu) and myself. Things move slowly at EA and I do not release information about things that may or may not happen until I have permission from them. Thats the problem with you and EA, is that you just say "Hey, everyone who supports Renegade can wait, but I'm special, so I'll keep the community in the dark!" Quote: I also run one of the most popular servers in the game, serving out 2 terabytes each month. Jesus, where do you get the cash for that bandwidth Quote: Since n00bstories.com is a site for gamers in ALL online games, not just Renegade, there is no need for him to be even remotely interested in the game for him to be a great fit for his position. n00bstories was all Renegade until people were suggesting that you add more games. You can't tell me that the majority of your basis isn't renegade. If he and so many administrators in n00bstories (who incidentally are forum moderators and BHS staff?) have no interest in the game, why don't you pick from the SO many eager people in these forums to help you. Quote: I generally believe that if it isn't broke, don't fix it. While not everything at XWIS is running exactly as I would do it, I don't think the difference are enough to justify any sort of revolt against them. The servers are VERY stable, the ban tools work quite well, and Olaf and DonCarlo are very quick to respond to my emails if I have any problems. I can't ask for much more than that. I think its enough for you, with power, to look at the topics about battleclans and push to get them implemented. There is NO reason at all why XWIS cant have clan support beyond that the administration is happy with the half-ass job we call the new WOL. Quote: Furthermore, all of the people YOU mentioned are current or ex script kiddies who could never be trusted with serials and IPs of players. How irrelevant. At least they have the initiative to write fully functioning WOL clones. if you're so much better than the "ex script kiddies" why don't you prove it by getting a decent WOL going. Quote: So, I have spent most of the day in my pool and eating barbecued steak. I had steak too, it was mad good.
IWarriors wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 11:34 null you have 9 fucking posts, who the hell are you to go asking her to resign`? or hiding your real name huh`? He goes farther back than most people here in this community, but it's not really relevant anyway.
I don't allow fucktards to speak for me. You being a fucktard please do not speak for me, ever. You forget one simple thing. Crimson is a PERSON who has a life and a job that pays her. She does not recieve a pay check from this community, as a matter of fact to have a great server to play on and Renguard to keep all servers cheat free she goes in the red month after month after month. A total number that astounds me every time. Reguardless of everything even if I did agree with you and want Crimson gone who would replace her? There is not a single person worthy of the job nor a person who has the $ to support it.
At least Renardin took the time and effort to try and get it back up. Now all it needs is a decent support, like you mentioned, and I think it will get it very soon. Such things take time.
First, luv2pb, you are a person in an administrative position and your opinion should just be disregarded because you're blinded from what the common player sees. luv2pb wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 11:20 I don't allow fucktards to speak for me. You being a fucktard please do not speak for me, ever. Use your brain and look at the big picture instead of critisizing me. Quote: You forget one simple thing. Crimson is a PERSON who has a life and a job that pays her. She does not recieve a pay check from this community, as a matter of fact to have a great server to play on and Renguard to keep all servers cheat free she goes in the red month after month after month. A total number that astounds me every time. What does that have to do with anything? I go on the red every month and so does everyone else with a credit card. Quote: Reguardless of everything even if I did agree with you and want Crimson gone who would replace her? There is not a single person worthy of the job nor a person who has the $ to support it. Who are YOU to speak for everyone. How can you even judge something like that? Look at all the people that post here every day, volunteer to help, and generally give a fuck. I'm talking about the people who put politics aside and do whats best for the game. Spending money on a stupid FDS does nothing for the community. Why doesn't she spend time FIXING things that are important to the community.
Gotsow wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:20 At least Renardin took the time and effort to try and get it back up. Now all it needs is a decent support, like you mentioned, and I think it will get it very soon. Such things take time. I was there when he reccomended it to Crimson. All he did was say "LOEL I HAEV TEH RENE LAYOUT" and Crimson took to the idea like it was the best thing ever created.
Any how many people do you think would trust someone who was a "script kiddie" in either the past or the present be trusted with passwords or ip addresses? Crimson has a social life, she works for the servers she has. She supports the Renegade community in every-way possible. Just look at RenGuard, all the server their are run and owned by Crimson. Crimson isn't jonwil BUT jonwil is helping to develop Renegade and fix existing bugs and if possible, add new features. NOT everyone is good at everything! We all have our own strengths and weaknesses. EA have never been efficient, it is unfair to blame Crimson about the slowness. Have you ever tried to send in a support ticket? Mine normally take at least 2 days to get answered, and still mostly the solution isn't correct! XWIS was chosen by EA. BHS may have had little input but with the ONLY server for Westwood games that has been running for a long time now, so it is the best choice. They have managed to survive even when WOL was around. Crimson is an active moderator, I see her on the current users on-line section almost every day. Although she does NOT post every day, I don't expect her, like me, she has a social life. IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT, GO AWAY!
Again, you have forgetten that the reason WOL died is because Olaf convinced EA that he could run it. Had Crimson cared, she would have looked beyond her stupid game server and become concerned in the future of WOL. Instead she was just apathetic about the whole thing and decided "Oh well" knowing that she and the PEOPLE WHO ARE KNOWLEGEABLE about WOL would have easily ran WOL better than Olaf. Quote: Any how many people do you think would trust someone who was a "script kiddie" in either the past or the present be trusted with passwords or ip addresses? If thats the case, then the majority of this community can't be trusted. lol
Hers not entirelly wrong, under each forum thread I see the mods, well, im not sure if even all of them is still around The promise I can make tho, is that I will be the last Renegade memember in the world I will never leave this game (unless i like die of misterious cause)
dead6re wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:42 Wow, that's quite a change of heart compared to the libel you were spewing a few months back.
That might be the case, but Crimson is NOT a script kiddie, so I place my trust in her that my password is secure and safe. I know Crimson has a working alternative for WOL when it died, BUT XWIS has been stable for a long time, and is the best solution. It was tested by EA, they decided the outcome. If you have problems with XWIS, Why are you complaining here? GO TO TALK OLAF HIMSELF http://www.strike-team.net/
Because of my administrative position being so close to Crimson I see more than you can ever imagine. I talk to more community members in a hour than you have in the last week. I know what Crimson, n00bstories, BHS, strike-team, ect are working on and doing to better Rengeade. But what I do not know is who you are and why you think you have the slightest clue what is going on around you. You may go in the red yes, but not for this game you don't. Or let me guess your next story is that you either run or have ran a server in the past? I did not speak for everyone. I gave statements that are mine and mine alone.
xptek wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:55 dead6re wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:42 Wow, that's quite a change of heart compared to the libel you were spewing a few months back. I realized that saying rubbish doesn't get you anywhere, I am trying to improve my communication skills.
dead6re wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:59 xptek wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:55 dead6re wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:42 Wow, that's quite a change of heart compared to the libel you were spewing a few months back. I realized that saying rubbish doesn't get you anywhere, I am trying to improve my communication skills.
dead6re wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:56 That might be the case, but Crimson is NOT a script kiddie, so I place my trust in her that my password is secure and safe. You have no idea. Quote: I know Crimson has a working alternative for WOL when it died, BUT XWIS has been stable for a long time, and is the best solution. It was tested by EA, they decided the outcome. If you have problems with XWIS, Why are you complaining here? GO TO TALK OLAF HIMSELF http://www.strike-team.net/ I would talk to him, but it would end up like th conversation we just had now: Quote: Joey says: Hi Joey says: You there? Olaf van der Spek says: Yes. Joey says: ok. Talking to him is pretty useless if you ask me. Besides if only you guys knew what really happened. I'm asking her to leave nicely before I completely stain her reputation.
By the way, your password is secure and safe anyways because Apgar is a one way hash.
Your log only includes you trying to see if he was available, with no mention of trying to ask him about the problems or requests you may have. Crimson herself is NOT a script kiddie, although others near her could be. If I am wrong, please prove it. Apgar has recently been cracked by a member of the BHS team.
Its not about Olaf anyways. -They found Revolt's Apgar source code from Silent_Kane, who got it from somebody else. -Its a one way hash and cant be reversed. -The only thing they cracked was woldata.key which is used to scramble/unscramble your serial number.
lol was an apgar dudes and crimson, very cool
null wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 13:28 Its not about Olaf anyways. -They found Revolt's Apgar source code from Silent_Kane, who got it from somebody else. -Its a one way hash and cant be reversed. -The only thing they cracked was woldata.key which is used to scramble/unscramble your serial number. Okay, I didn't know anything about the apgar findings so thats new on me. v00d00 managed (maybe with help) to crack the woldata.key which has been useful for various people, including myself.
From August 2005: Quote: <Crimson> yeah... we've cracked woldata.key and the renrem protocol Can I prove that she holds out on you guys any more clearly? Or do you want the logs to prove everything.
Just to clarify, Apgar is a relatively weak and proprietary encryption method from what I've seen. One solution would be to take the Apgar password the client sends when logging onto WOL and store it in an MD5 hash. This doesn't really address the possibility of overzealous administrators sniffing what the clients are sending or modifying the source to log the Apgar password the client sends, but it's a start.
I see Renegade being improved on how it was when it was first developed. The discoveries, even if they were not their own have been amazing. Various mods have been produced, Dragonade/SS(AOW/CTF/Solider Wars). I think Crimson is doing a good job, even though I disagree with a few decisions that have been made.
null wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:46 Again, you have forgetten that the reason WOL died is because Olaf convinced EA that he could run it. Had Crimson cared, she would have looked beyond her stupid game server and become concerned in the future of WOL. Instead she was just apathetic about the whole thing and decided "Oh well" knowing that she and the PEOPLE WHO ARE KNOWLEGEABLE about WOL would have easily ran WOL better than Olaf. You sure as hell showed a LOT of caring with your last account. Besides, aren't you asking a bit much? What you are basically doing is asking Crimson to step up her responsibilities and take charge of WOL. She already has enough on her plate to deal with, so who are you to tell her what she has to do to keep the community alive? I really don't see how you, a former script kiddie who's done NOTHING for the community, has any say in this matter.
null wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 13:58 <Crimson> so you got WOL source code from xtrm2matt oh boy <null> . <null> He has it? <null> So he wasnt lying then. <Crimson> havocide offered to sell it to BHS for $999 <null> ... <null> Havocide is a fuckwit <null> He thinks Matt has it <null> I think Matt is full of shit. I don't have it, and I was most likely joking when I said I'd sell it.
If the Renegade servers are on a different DNS server, then if you could get Olaf to agree, and working Renegade clone of WOL would be nice. Olaf support into the Renegade community is minimal - We found that with his late posting of important messages. Seeing WSE come back could be interesting.
Has nothing to do with WSE. Read the log and try again.
I thought it said something about the domain ownership of WSE changing hands. The index page on the website shows the plans to release the source code.
Its about Crimson blessing the foiling of XWIS and EA
The main body of your log was about foiling XWIS and EA. But there was a tiny extract about WSE being started again. <null> Either you or Olaf get it, Im going to relaunch WSE. <null> Ed gave me the domain My paragraph mark was meant to show a difference. The first about how XWIS is doing. The second about a site being reborn.
msgtpain wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 13:43 Random, shane Edit: Never mind, I get it now
I would like to see Crimson and BHS pick up support for Renegade by hosting WOL. Relieving Olaf of Renegade can allow him to focus on the other games he supports. BHS know far more about Renegade than Olaf, including the bugs and errors. Surely there could be a way to do it?
To be honest, I do trust that Crimson has dedicated towards the community, but there has been no evidences of it. The forums have been a little too forgiving with spam, trolling, and flaming. There needs to be more moderation and clean this up. It has no organization and pisses most of the members off when they see the endless amounts of flaming. Crimson says that she's working on stuff behind the scenes with EA and other advances, and her administration backs her up on that. I can't say that I completely trust this. I can't exactly accuse Crimson of lying, because I have no reason to believe that, but I see no evidences in any advances. Now, I'm not saying that any confidential information with EA should be released. It's confidential for a reason, and if she was to release it, she could very well compromise her attempts to further Renegade and the community. All I want is to be assured that the community is being pushed forward. Someone's word, to me, isn't good enough regardless of the sincerity and respect of the person in question.
I'm assuming your log was posted to show what a bad person Crimson is for condoning your plan to take out Xwis? She was doing it so that Renegade players could get the best gaming experience possible. It reminds me of the teamsters. Sure they operated and to this day sometimes operate outside the law but for the people who count on them, they come through. They defend their workers and take the power out of employers hands to screw over whoever they want. Also, you established this post on the banner that Crimson should step down because she sat idle and did nothing when EA choose to turn over WOL. Are you mad because the leader of a large community didn't decide to go personally kill Olaf a la Clue (In the ______ with the ______)? Your log shows how many things Crimson was doing and looking into and people she was talking to trying to fix things, but it just obviously didn't work.
Yeah it was all her. Nobody else helped.
Who else did you expect to help? Most people didn't even know it happened and we don't have any special power.
Thats the whole problem. She made no effort to let any of you guys know.
What I'm saying is, what could any of us have done?
What makes her any different than you or I Doitle. The only reason she has any say in things is because people like you and I support her by posting on these forums. My point is, the common man should have a say. Seeing that she is the head of the C&C community, whether she'll admit it or not, she disregards our concerns for WOL and does virtually nothing to reiterate our concerns.
What makes her different is she knows people and how to get things done. I don't know anyone from EA. She runs the community, she knows what everyones trying to do. She also has the drive and give-a-damn that allows her to actually host servers and run a forum. I couldn't do any of this because: A. I don't have any money at all, I'm poor and I couldn't afford 1000$ plus a month on bandwidth for community sites and servers. B. I don't have the drive, I would just sit back and say it's too bad theres no community anymore... I wouldn't go create one. C. I can't deal with people. No I don't mean "ZOMG A PERSON AHHHH" I mean that I can't make people work. Someone attacked the community and I'd keep giving them second and third and fourth chances because I'm too nice and feel guilty about everything. That's what makes her different, and what has allowed this community to even exist. People like her have to be in charge and people like me have to post pictures of subwoofers in General Discussion.
I've always trusted Crimson and I still do. Just as Doitle said I know she'll get things done. The way I see the community now is still better than the way things were--or might have been without her (nonexistent).
Can I get some feedback from people other than staff?
null wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 12:58 <null> Waggonhöchstgeschwindigkeit <null> ...whatever that means. It means "Car maximum speed".
null wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 22:48 Can I get some feedback from people other than staff? you did, me, and I said it was ludicrous.
In my opinion, XWIS is not solution, we need clan support, individual rankings and so on. Do we have that? No, just a server listing. Gamespy does that. Might as well just shut down XWIS if its only going to do that. I can see why everyone is frustrated..we have been hearing about Renguard 1.04 for bloody ages now and seen nothing, a lot of servers no longer look for RG as proof of non-cheating etc. They just ban you. We need solutions, and quickly. Renegade is dying on its feet and i'm sick of finding clans to play nowadays.(Would rather just look at a ladder than trawling through one site to find another to challenge people. Lazy i know.)
I feel that judging the people you mentioned because they are "script kiddies" is a bit harsh. Silient Kane & V00d00 are both into some seriously dodgy shit and it doesn't seem to bother BHS. Other then that I'm with Crimson
Clanwars.cc currently has better clan support for Renegade than anything XWIS or BHS could ever hope to create... not that I've seen any signs of them trying to in the last year or so. EDIT: this is, of course, replying to Acey#GW, not Reborn.
I seriously doubt that because Clanwars.cc cant be access by any Westwood game client. Rendering it just a third party ladder, no different than any other game ladder.
MaidenTy1 wrote on Mon, 26 June 2006 00:30 Clanwars.cc currently has better clan support for Renegade than anything XWIS or BHS could ever hope to create... not that I've seen any signs of them trying to in the last year or so. EDIT: this is, of course, replying to Acey#GW, not Reborn. I know, i'm on there. But i was just commenting on how little action XWIS has taken on rankings etc. The individual rankings were up again for a while, then went down again. pointless.
Lay off crimson, I have seen what she has been doing Don't expect her to sit on a computer 24 hours a day just for you... People does have a life like crimson and I I don't give a fucking fuck what you think Crimson stood around Renegade for years she even lost money against me by phoning westwood studios to get me off the server as I was fucking around with her server back in the days Plus all that time she putted onto n00bstories which made crimson the way she is now owning pretty much all of Renegade Crimson is the queen of Renegade now you guys just fuck off and BOW to her
ACHTUNG JUDEN: INTERNET DEBATES ABOUT AN OLD GAME ARE VERY SERIOUS BUSINESS.
XPTEK IS VERY SERIOUS BUSINESS, AS YOU CAN TELL BY THIS LARGE TEXT THAT I AM MOCKING HIM WITH.
I just ask for moderation and a little hint as to know what else is in development. I have no other real problems with Crimson running the community. She's done far more than EA ever did, and is doing a Hell of a lot more than XWIS is.
Is there a reason you're calling us Jews? Methinks that is very stupid. And yes, it is serious business for people who still love the game, that includes myself.
null wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 10:44 From August 2005: Quote: <Crimson> yeah... we've cracked woldata.key and the renrem protocol Can I prove that she holds out on you guys any more clearly? Or do you want the logs to prove everything. Both of these things are evident and not hidden. BRenBot has used a native implementation of the renrem protocol for quite a while, and v00d00 released a small app to fix your serial storage for TFD players using his knowledge (I believe Scorp and SK were the first to crack woldata.key). We didn't hide this from you. Next, do NOT post private conversations. After that conversation, I exchanged some emails with Olaf and DonCarlo and found out that my previous knowledge of them was flawed. I now stand corrected. They have done nothing to make me feel that we can't trust them. While I do still contend that they don't care as much about Renegade as the other games, having BHS being administrators for the Renegade section of their servers is a great compromise that has worked very well. I'm VERY sorry that I can't share what we're working on with EA. I wish I could show you all the emails exchanged with stuff we're working on. There is a person there who is paid specifically to care about the older C&C games and with TFD out, it opens budget dollars to support these older games. Next, if someone would propose a full solution to "clean up" these forums, I am ALWAYS all ears. Power abuse is always my primary concern and very few people, it seems, can have such power and wield it properly. I am not generally a fan of ostracizing a community member just because they are sometimes dumb. RenegadeCommunity.com is not an idea I jumped on like it was the best idea in the world. If I indeed thought it was such a great idea, I would have done a lot of the work myself. However, I did think it was a decent idea and one I would be glad to host. I have let Renardin do most of the work. I'm pretty sure at this point there are a LOT of pages not even close to done so anything you want to say about the site is probably true because it's NOT finished. You know, I really wish that we could tell you everything that's going on with RG 1.04 as well. The problem is, the cheaters are everywhere, and if you follow all the cheater forums like we do, you would see that any time we post anything about RenGuard, it appears over there within an hour. Our responsibility is to keep cheaters out of the servers that have trusted us to do so, and at this point our best option is not to release any information about what's going on. Remember, I run a server and I play almost every day. I see cheaters all the time. I'm not going to forget about them. I find it quite hypocritical that "null" is complaining that I don't have any/enough "staff" to do anything and then complains because so many of the people who have been replying are "staff" of some kind. As it has been mentioned several times, I do have a life. I do spend quite a bit of time with assorted community-related matters but mostly I have to prioritize and compromise. Yes, maybe we all would have liked to see BHS run WOL, and in fact I had sent a long proposal to EA about us helping them fix bugs in WOL and help keep it in line, but they replied and told me that they were in the process of transitioning it to Olaf. We talked about several options in BHS and even offered to "try out" as an alternative option, but in the end we decided that our software wasn't ready to be mainstream in a quick enough amount of time compared to Olaf's software which was already stress-tested and in operation for a while, so we compromised and were given the ability to help run it. To date, we have placed over 40 bans on floodbots and lobby spammers. Having BHS make a WOL clone would use the resources of people whose time is better served towards RenGuard improvements. Once v00d00 is done with finals, I will find out where his current work stands (he was working on a lot of neat stuff right before finals) and what is safe to tell you guys (and essentially, the cheaters). At that time, I will let you know what he's been working on. There have been and always will be people who will try to smear my reputation, but in the end, the truth will prevail. I have too much pride to give up on anything I promise, so I am generally careful not to promise things if we can't deliver. Thanks again to all of you who support us and stand by us. Most of you know my door is always open and you are free to contact me by forum PM, email, or IRC msg if you have any concerns or ideas.
z310 wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 19:37 Cease failure, Mr. antisemitism. (Oh, and <3 Crimson and such.)
Crimson wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 19:43 I am not generally a fan of ostracizing a community member just because they are sometimes dumb. Most of the complaints about a ban anymore is because of ban evasion. I wouldn't support the banning of Sensitive if it wasn't painfully obvious that he has ban evaded and is being allowed to do so. Usually, ban evasion is an automatic permanent ban, and that's where most of this ban Sensitive is coming from. As for the rest of the forums, there is no "Off Topic" forum, which I think would cut down on a lot of spam. All we have is the "General Discussion" which, as the description points out, is for "General discussion of Command & Conquer Renegade". If we could get an Off Topic forum, I imagine that would help out a little.
Fine then if you're so great why dont you do this a) Tell EA that XWIS needs a CLEAR and definate website that explains to the common, off the shelf WOL user what XWIS is. b) Eliminate the difference between Striketeam and XWIS. c) Eliminate Striketeam's tacky and pathetic popup ads. d) Consolidate BHS and striketeam.
I banned Sensitive, and this IS the off-topic forum.
null wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 19:51 Fine then if you're so great why dont you do this a) Tell EA that XWIS needs a CLEAR and definate website that explains to the common, off the shelf WOL user what XWIS is. b) Eliminate the difference between Striketeam and XWIS. c) Eliminate Striketeam's tacky and pathetic popup ads. d) Consolidate BHS and striketeam. Why the fuck would she do that? a) It's not her responsibility for what EA requires of Olaf and Strike-Team. b) That's not her place to do that... she doesn't control either. c) That's Strike-Team's issues, not hers. It's not even hosted by her. d) BHS is strictly for Renegade. Merging would only cause issues. They should be allowed to operate separately. It'd be pointless for the two to join together.
I don't appreciate ads on their site, either, but there's nothing I can do about it. I don't see what a merger would accomplish. We have very different goals and focuses, so I don't see any advantages to even proposing such a thing.
xptek wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 19:44 Cease failure, Mr. antisemitism. I am not antisemitic.
Crimson wrote on Sun, 25 June 2006 19:51 I banned Sensitive, and this IS the off-topic forum. Eh, Off Topic/General Discussion of Renegade. I don't know if I'm the only one who would like two separate forums, but I imagine it'd be easier to keep down on the spam if they were separated. Just a suggestion. As for banning Sensitive... <3