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9/11 Treason
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description: If you people still believe in the official story of 9/11 it is about time that you open your eyes as to what is unfolding as the greatest deception and treason in the history of human civilization probably! Read the following carefully, study it and then ask yourself: What are we going to do about this? http://prisonplanet.com/video/911insidejobvideo.wmv [source and petition: http://www.thepetitionsite.com/takeaction/929981172 ] Scholars Call for Release of 9/11 Information TO THE MEMBERS OF THE HOUSE OF REPRESENTATIVES AND OF THE SENATE OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA:* PLEASE TAKE NOTICE THAT, On Behalf of the People of the United States of America, the Undersigned Scholars for 9/11 Truth Hereby Petitions for, and hereby demands, Release of the Following kinds of documents, video and films, and physical evidence to the public for study by experts and scholars investigating the events of 9/11: 1. Immediate release of the full Pentagon surveillance tapes, of which five frames (only) have been released via the official ASCE report, as Judicial Watch has also requested. We further demand release of the video tape seized by FBI agents minutes after the Pentagon hit, from the fuel service station near the Pentagon, as well as any other videotape which shows the 9/11 strike on the Pentagon. See http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...repentagon.html http://www.defenselink.mil/releases/2000/b...0_bt218-00.html http://www.defenselink.mil/news/May2000/20005022a.jpg http://perso.wanadoo.fr/jpdesm/pentagon/pa...fct-videos.html 2. Immediate release of 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage held by NIST, largely from private photographers, regarding the collapses of WTC buildings on 9/11/2001 (NIST, 2005, p. 81). In particular, all footage relating to the collapse of WTC 7 (including shots before, during and after the collapse) must be released immediately, without waiting for the NIST report on WTC 7, which is long overdue and may be prolonged indefinitely…
creator: zunnie
date: 2006-04-12T03:16:11-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Oh my God, not this bullshit again. Get the fuck out!
creator: bigejoe14
date: 2006-04-12T03:23:44-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: "I'm sorry, but this information will remain confidential as it is part of an on-going investigaiton." -Random person who is involved.
creator: warranto
date: 2006-04-12T03:45:36-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Bush President for the rest of his political life? (source: http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb...pic.php?p=71101 ) (search: http://search.msn.com/results.aspx?FORM=TO...ent+For+Life%22 ) Quote: A House bill has been introduced that would change the 22nd amendment and enable George Bush to remain President for the rest of his political life. The bill would repeal limitations on a President holding office for a maximum of two terms. The bill can be found at the Library of Congress website here.
creator: zunnie
date: 2006-04-12T06:02:05-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Have a close read here and google some stuff if you dont believe it... The collapse of WTC7 for example. The reluctance of the Bush administration to conduct an enquiry at all. An enquiry which was conducted under the presumption that the official story was fact. The fact that Osama Bin Laden is not wanted for the crimes committed on 9/11. Check out the FBI website. http://www.fbi.gov/wanted/terrorists/terbinladen.htm That Bush saw the first plane crash before entering the Brooker school, when that wasn't aired till the following day, how was he watching the FIRST plane hit ???? And how could he have watched it unless they knew it was going to happen in the first place. Why would television be looking at the World Trade centre at all unless there was a reason?? Why does the Gov. not release the confiscated videotapes from the gasstation and the hotel across the street which definately recorded the plane impact on the Pentagon. Why did they DENY any video existed at first, and later release FIVE FRAMES showing only the explosion but without any trace to a Boeing... Examin the frames and you will notice a white smoke trail in the center-right, that is not a Boeing lol. Another fact what alot of people forget about the pentagon is this: When the "plane" impacted the building, the ROOF did NOT collapse, the collapse followed hours later and notice that the roof is not showing ANY damage. Futhermore the entire front of the point of impact is completely inconsistent with the damage a Boeing would have done. Watch photos from the pentagon or videos from CNN and you will see a large group of people collecting debris from a crashsite that needed to be examined thorougly. This 'evidence' was immediately destroyed. Also they are seen carrying away a huge box(container) with a blue plastic cover minutes after impact, what was inside it? Why were there Trucks on the grass in front of the pentagon dumping layers of sand the minute after the crash while the firemen were still ther…
creator: zunnie
date: 2006-04-12T09:36:29-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: convinced yourself yet, mate?
creator: Sniper_De7
date: 2006-04-12T13:44:05-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Are you really that stupid... really. The building pulverized under its own weight and wtc 7 sustained massive structural damage to its lower levels destroying the structural integrity of the building. You sir are just another MP idiot trying to sound smart becuase you found a conspiracy theorists website. Also, if you look up the that bill EVERY president has attempted to pass something similar to that effect. So be quiet idiot.
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2006-04-12T13:47:39-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Quote: 6,899 photographs and 6,977 segments of video footage I'm sure you would have fun looking them all through?
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-04-12T13:51:13-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Why the buildings collapsed: http://www.tms.org/pubs/journals/JOM/0112/Eagar/Eagar-0112.h tml
creator: warranto
date: 2006-04-12T14:09:50-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: I honestly didn't think you could sink any further, zunnie. I stand corrected. You just entered the point of no return. Not that we wanted you to return, anyways... See, here's the thing. Two planes... they were hijacked. They then ran into the buildings. See, when a structure is weakenend, it tends to collapse. That's what happened on 9/11. I put that in as easy of terms as I could put it.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2006-04-12T16:11:00-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Did you think that maybe...MAYBE...the red-hot metal in the rubble came from the UPPER floor? Which collapsed along with the rest of the building? Because when a building falls, the top kinda gets mixed in with the bottom. Or it was Photoshopped in. Because conspiracy theorists never have alterior motives. Also, if you will watch the actual footage of the collapse, you can see that the buildings started to collapse NOT from the bottom, as they would if they had been C4d, but rather from where they had been hit...where the steel had been sufficiently weakened by the jet fuel. If they were C4d, the "secret agents" would have had to climb up X many stories in both buildings, through the fire, without being seen by escaping civilians, cops, or firefighters. And why would a B-24 bomber not cause the Empire State Building to fall? Big difference between a B-24 and a 7X7 #1: NO JET FUEL. B-24s are propeller-driven. As to why Bush's statue has no end date on it yet? Just in case he resigns or is impeached or nutcases such as yourself decide to assassinate him.
creator: PlastoJoe
date: 2006-04-12T16:24:55-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Or dies of natural causes.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2006-04-12T17:28:34-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: OPEN YOUR EYES..... LOL >>>>>>>> OPEN THEM PS LOOOOOOOOOOOOL SHOTGUNNERS HAV THE OPPOSITE COLOUR OF THE TEEM, INTRESTING RITE ZUNNIE?
creator: Sniper_De7
date: 2006-04-12T18:29:30-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Zunnie, zunnie, zunnie. Stop being so fucking gullible.
creator: Jecht
date: 2006-04-12T18:39:40-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Quote: The Empire State Building had a military B-25 bomber crash into it on July 28, 1945. http://www.evesmag.com/empirestatebldgcrash.jpg << image of impact zone Reality check here: the Empire State (steel girders and concrete) and WTC towers (load-bearing steel skin and steel core structure) were built using different methods of construction. The aircraft types are also massively different to the point that it isn't even funny...lemme run off a few of the differences here: - The B-25 was a light, twin engined bomber. The closest size comparison I can offer is a prop-driven puddle-jumper (the lighter planes used by airlines for short hops)...not a very huge plane. It was also completely empty apart from its flight crew; it had neither bombs nor cargo or passenegers on board. - The Boeing 757 and 767 are BIG planes. Their engines measure about the diameter of the BODY of the B-25. Both aircraft carry hundreds of people and multiple tons of cargo. We're talking a LOT of MASS here, and a lot of mass causes a LOT of damage when it impacts. - The B-25, being a piston-engined aircraft, used aviation gasoline as fuel (similar to what your CAR runs on). It was also at the end of its flight on impact, meaning that its fuel tanks were very close to empty. - The Boeing jets used on 9/11 were fueled by commercial jet fuel. It burns hotter than gasoline- and the planes were fully fueled or at least mostly full when they impacted those buildings. Let's not even discuss how much MORE of the stuff these planes carry. - The B-25 was built, for the most part, from steel. - Modern airliners are constructed from aluminum and lightweight composite materials. The only thing on an airliner that isn't likely to burn in a crash is its LANDING GEAR. - The pilot of the B-25 was not intending to crash into the Empire State. He made a navigational error in poor weather. It was a freak accident and the only thing totaled was the plane. - The hijackers DID intend to crash into the WTC towers an…
creator: NukeIt15
date: 2006-04-12T18:45:49-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Be carefully zunnie, the American government might see this and force you have the Harvesters on their appropriate teams as revenge for leaking their secret.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2006-04-12T19:21:42-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: I think this business of flaming people who come to this forum with information they've found captivating when it's simply incongrous with your primordial beliefs needs to stop. Especially when you don't make an effort to debunk it. Zunny's raising points that weren't in the last 9/11 thread. I'm not sure what to think on this, but I do have one question I don't think I've ever seen answered: Why did Tower #7 collapse?
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2006-04-12T22:18:02-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: "Why did Tower #7 collapse?" http://www.mp-gaming.net/wtc_7_cbs.mpg http://www.mp-gaming.net/wtc7_collapse.mpg http://www.mp-gaming.net/wtc7_collapse2.mpg This is without doubt a controlled demolition. And, i am not here to argue or fight with people, i have spent hours beyond hours investigating about this and read basically every report, document, the official documents, individual testimonies and so on. "Why?" you ask - Because things that have happened and you start thinking and placing logic and common sense in your examinations you will conclude that indeed something fishy is about it. http://www.9-11commission.gov/staff_statements/staff_stateme nt_15.pdf Another minor(?) thing that is kind of odd is that they speak of "Bin Ladin" in the official 9/11 documents while everywhere on the world knows it is spelled as "Bin Laden". Did they make a "stupid" typo? Or is this the reason why he is not on the FBI website most wanted terrorists for the attacks of 9/11? Just odd to say the least... Did you know that alot of the alledged hijackers turned out to be alive and well in Saudi Arabia and some other ME countries? http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/1567815.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/1559151.stm "Why indeed did the WTC collapse" http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html Hunt the boeing! If you find it, make sure you get in touch with Davic Copperfield... Also notice on these pictures there are trucks dumping sand.. http://www.asile.org/citoyens/numero13/pentagone/erreurs http://www.ratical.org/ratville/CAH/RRiraqWar.html Lastly, why did the US invade Afghanistan, followed by Iraq and why is Iran the next target? [*]Afghanistan: Taliban goverment does not want the US to pass through Afghan territory constructing a pipeline to Pakistan coastlines for natural gas transport. (In 1998 or so Clinton forbade the US to do business with Taliban). [*]The US needs a REASON to invade Afghanistan overthrow the Taliban goverment and construct their nat…
creator: zunnie
date: 2006-04-13T01:14:11-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Even if your evidence was convincing, I'd still have one fact that I could use to defend the fact that our nation was attacked by a foreign party: We don't need to be attacked to go to war. We weren't attacked to join Vietnam. We weren't attacked to join Korea. We weren't attacked (by Iraq) to start the war in Iraq. If we want to start a war, we'll start a war. We don't need an attack on our soil (or a solid reason) to start a war. It's as simple as that.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2006-04-13T01:36:23-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: The 911wasalie banner just took all your credit away...
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-04-13T06:52:23-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: SuperFlyingEngi wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 18:18 I think this business of flaming people who come to this forum with information they've found captivating when it's simply incongrous with your primordial beliefs needs to stop. Especially when you don't make an effort to debunk it. Zunny's raising points that weren't in the last 9/11 thread. I'm not sure what to think on this, but I do have one question I don't think I've ever seen answered: Why did Tower #7 collapse? Because you touch yourself at night.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-04-13T11:32:42-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: I've read things that say that there were explosives planted at the ground floor of the WTC that caused it to collapse. However, if anybody bothers to watch the videos, the WTC collapse was a sequential collapse; if weakness at the bottom had caused it to collapse, the top of the WTC would have been intact as it crashed further and further toward the ground. Instead, the top collapsed downward in a big plume of soot and debris, meaning that the structural integrity was compromised at the location of the plane explosion.
creator: Ryan3k
date: 2006-04-13T13:47:22-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: That and ALL of the buildings in that plaza were designed specifically to collapse in on themselves or straight down if they ever experienced structural failure. The attackers wanted those towers to fall over and cause widespread devestation; the skill of the people who built the towers ultimately kept that from happening. The same goes for every other building that fell. In a sense, they were controlled demolitions- but by nature of design, not through the assistance of explosives as conspiracy nuts would have you believe. The only large-scale explosions in the WTC that day were caused by two airliners full of innocent civilians.
creator: NukeIt15
date: 2006-04-13T14:21:41-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: I already pointed that out somewhat, but it was conveniently ignored... 1. Did you know that there are multiple ways of spelling "Osama bin Laden?" Including "Usama bin Laden" and "Osama bin Ladin?" Proving that they used a different spelling in the official report proves nothing. It only proves that the writers were familiar with a different form of his name Quote: The IDENTITIES of four of the 19 suspects accused of having carried out the attacks are now in doubt. 2. This is what the BBC article said about them. Not that "the presence of Saudi hijackers on the planes is in doubt." Simply that their identities (obtained from studying grainy surveillance tape) were later found to be wrong. How do we know YOUR family members weren't in their place on the plane? Quote: http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html 3. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/wtc/collapse2.html (one of the sources he himself used, but ignored the explanation given by the professor of engineering. Read the entire article. Quote: Also notice on these pictures there are trucks dumping sand.. 4. I could see no trucks dumping sand. Unless you mean on the overhead picture, in which case you can see a lot of things there on the ground. Also, it is a common practice to dump sand on fire. And even if it wasn't, what are you trying to imply? Quote: Because things that have happened and you start thinking and placing logic and common sense in your examinations you will conclude that I agree with you up to this point. You should start taking your own advice.
creator: PlastoJoe
date: 2006-04-13T15:47:23-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: There ARE trucks dumping sand. However, the point of that was to make it easier for the wheeled vehicles doing the cleanup to move around on the Pentagon "lawn," as opposed to their wheels tearing up all the grass and soil, especially if it were to rain a bit.
creator: Ryan3k
date: 2006-04-13T17:28:20-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Whenever I hear about these idiotic conspiracy theories, I just remember that my own boyfriend (whom you all know as Blazer), LIVED in Arlington, Virginia on September 11th and he actually, with his own eyes, saw the low-flying plane right before it struck the Pentagon. He lived in a high-rise building of condominiums on one of the upper floors and had a nice view of the city. He said the plane was so close that he probably could have seen the pilot and passengers (if it weren't going so fast, I assume). So, say what you like, but just remember that you're calling Blazer a liar.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-04-13T17:55:51-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: I'm not going to vouch for the accuracy of this site, but it does explore what myths have arrisen from 9/11 http://www.911myths.com/
creator: warranto
date: 2006-04-13T19:04:26-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Has anyone else watched Loose Change?
creator: Renx
date: 2006-04-13T20:23:30-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Somehow, retarded just does not adequately describe this thread. Besides, George Bush can barely eat a pretzel without a trip to the ER. I doubt his ability to organize the demolition of multiple skyscrapers. This thread makes evolution seem logical. ...having your sig flip people off doesn't help your case either. By the way, we're talking about terrorists. Whose to say they didn't have a little 'boost' from their luggage?
creator: Berkut
date: 2006-04-13T22:53:29-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: I want the engineering and critical analysis doctorate from the guy who did Loose Change.
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2006-04-13T23:22:18-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Phase 9 wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 18:53 This thread makes evolution seem logical. Let's be friends.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2006-04-14T00:00:29-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: mrpirate wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 19:00 Let's be friends. Uh, okay. (?)
creator: Berkut
date: 2006-04-14T00:06:32-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Phase 9 wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 18:53 Somehow, retarded just does not adequately describe this thread. Besides, George Bush can barely eat a pretzel without a trip to the ER. I doubt his ability to organize the demolition of multiple skyscrapers. This thread makes evolution seem logical. ...having your sig flip people off doesn't help your case either. By the way, we're talking about terrorists. Whose to say they didn't have a little 'boost' from their luggage? I can drink a can of soda and nearly choke on it, you can't help how your body reacts to what you're putting into it. I've had times where I drank a Sprite and nearly passed out from being unable to breathe after the first sip, since it went into the wrong hole in my throat instead of simply falling into my stomach. Using that against someone is idiocy, please remember that he's as human as anyone else is.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2006-04-14T01:15:43-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Not only that, but he's put under a microscope. Every normal day mistake we have, he's just as likely to have. The only difference is that the media will publish it and give millions of mindless liberals fuel to keep the anti-Bush fire going.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2006-04-14T01:35:48-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Don't take it that way, I was making a joke that these liberals would actually look at before scrolling down and missing the point. Heck, I've done worse. There was the Great Wasabi Insident of aught-2... embarasses me to this day. And the Sprite thing is totally understandable. ...Lost: Five 0 is my biggest vice, though. Stuff burns worse than that 8-year-old whiskey I found under the sink. (Technically, I am conservative, and technically I support Bush. It was but a joke, sorry.) I saw a book that reminded me of this thread, though. Michael Moore is a Big, Fat, Stupid White Man. Might be worth a look.
creator: Berkut
date: 2006-04-14T02:10:18-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Just because you're a conservative does not obligate you to support Bush.
creator: Ryan3k
date: 2006-04-14T11:58:29-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Yeah, you aren't supposed to blindly support leaders because they claim to support your ideals. The fact is, I am not fond of Bush at all. However, I am a Republican, and I did vote for him over Kerry. Honestly, I'd vote him over Kerry again simply because it was Kerry... Other than that, I didn't really want to vote him in again.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2006-04-14T12:05:33-00:00

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description: Oh, and for everyone who absolutely hates Michael Moore, he pales in comparison to the crap that Alex Jones puts out. A few examples: 9-11: The Road to Tyranny (2002) American Dictators: Documenting The Staged 2004 Election (2004) Martial Law: 9/11 Rise of the Police State (2005)
creator: Ryan3k
date: 2006-04-14T12:45:40-00:00

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description: I didn't support Kerry... Because I'm not old enough to vote :P But I liked Bush more because Kerry could never seem to make up his mind. Bush is also said to be a Christian, and a supporter of Israel. Kerry was said to be for, then against, then for abortion (then again, I heard this from adults, and we all know how much adults tell the truth :P ) Politics aren't really interesting to me. Humans were never good at governing each other, anyway. And when I said conservative, I mostly meant against stuff like abortion (I almost experienced that, and wasn't too happy about it when I found out.), gun-control (ok, the crooks have guns. What do we fight them with, harsh language?), and the "modern interpretation" (aka: editing), of the constitution.
creator: Berkut
date: 2006-04-14T17:37:54-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Well, statistics show that countries with strict gun-control have substantially lower levels of violent crime. However, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed...
creator: Ryan3k
date: 2006-04-14T20:21:20-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: NOw all you need is the hunting licence to GET thoes bear arm. Well, assuming bear hunting is in season.
creator: warranto
date: 2006-04-14T20:31:09-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Statistics also show that alchohol and tobacco kill more people than firearms. At least rifles come with a safety-switch Another thing, I tried finding leading causes of death in the US. It almost never listed abortion. If it gets much worse, the leading cause of death in the US will be parents.
creator: Berkut
date: 2006-04-14T20:36:48-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: omf
creator: mrpirate
date: 2006-04-14T20:43:51-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: mrpirate wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 15:43 omf Oh my 'what'? 'Fog'?
creator: Berkut
date: 2006-04-14T21:04:02-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Ryan3k wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 16:21 Well, statistics show that countries with strict gun-control have substantially lower levels of violent crime. However, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed... WRONG! http://www.gunowners.org/sk0703.htm Quote: 1. Fact: The murder rates in many nations (such as England) were ALREADY LOW BEFORE enacting gun control. Thus, their restrictive laws cannot be credited with lowering their crime rates.1 2. Fact: Gun control has done nothing to keep crime rates from rising in many of the nations that have imposed severe firearms restrictions. * Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24% and kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%."2 * Canada: After enacting stringent gun control laws in 1991 and 1995, Canada has not made its citizens any safer. "The contrast between the criminal violence rates in the United States and in Canada is dramatic," says Canadian criminologist Gary Mauser in 2003. "Over the past decade, the rate of violent crime in Canada has increased while in the United States the violent crime rate has plummeted." 3 * England: According to the BBC News, handgun crime in the United Kingdom rose by 40% in the two years after it passed its draconian gun ban in 1997.4 * Japan: One newspaper headline says it all: Police say "Crime rising in Japan, while arrests at record low."5 3. Fact: British citizens are now more likely to become a victim of crime than are people in the United States: * In 1998, a study conducted jointly by statisticians from the U.S. Department of Justice and the University of Cambridge in England found that most crime is now worse in England than in the United States. * "You are more likely to be mugged in England than in the United States," stated the Reuters news agency in su…
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2006-04-15T00:51:11-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: DarkDemin wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 19:51 Ryan3k wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 16:21 Well, statistics show that countries with strict gun-control have substantially lower levels of violent crime. However, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed... WRONG! I was 90% sure of that, but I was too lazy to do the research. Thanks .
creator: Berkut
date: 2006-04-15T01:04:23-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: warranto wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 21:31 NOw all you need is the hunting licence to GET thoes bear arm. Well, assuming bear hunting is in season. Well the right to bear arms and to bear arms is all fine and dandy but what about the right to arm bears?
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2006-04-15T01:16:20-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: "Bear arms" is the correct phrase.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2006-04-15T01:17:35-00:00

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description: Who gives a bear's? Oh, s***, we're off-topic.
creator: Berkut
date: 2006-04-15T01:28:22-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: I think this topic is better than the original one, personally.
creator: PlastoJoe
date: 2006-04-15T01:33:02-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: SpyGuy246 wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 20:33 I think this topic is better than the original one, personally. Amen. !vote change topic to "Homophones." (jk) PS: For the idiots: homophone >noun: each of two or more words having the same pronunciation but different meanings, origins, or spelling (e.g. new and knew). -Wordperfect definition. Copy-pasted.
creator: Berkut
date: 2006-04-15T01:38:46-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: I hope that pasting was worth ruining your eyes over.
creator: PlastoJoe
date: 2006-04-15T02:48:59-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: SpyGuy246 wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 21:48 I hope that pasting was worth ruining your eyes over. I was wearing sunglasses.
creator: Berkut
date: 2006-04-15T02:58:17-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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creator: DarkDemin
date: 2006-04-15T02:58:33-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: DarkDemin wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 19:51 Ryan3k wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 16:21 Well, statistics show that countries with strict gun-control have substantially lower levels of violent crime. However, the right to bear arms shall not be infringed... WRONG! http://www.gunowners.org/sk0703.htm Quote: 1. Fact: The murder rates in many nations (such as England) were ALREADY LOW BEFORE enacting gun control. Thus, their restrictive laws cannot be credited with lowering their crime rates.1 2. Fact: Gun control has done nothing to keep crime rates from rising in many of the nations that have imposed severe firearms restrictions. * Australia: Readers of the USA Today newspaper discovered in 2002 that, "Since Australia's 1996 laws banning most guns and making it a crime to use a gun defensively, armed robberies rose by 51%, unarmed robberies by 37%, assaults by 24% and kidnappings by 43%. While murders fell by 3%, manslaughter rose by 16%."2 * Canada: After enacting stringent gun control laws in 1991 and 1995, Canada has not made its citizens any safer. "The contrast between the criminal violence rates in the United States and in Canada is dramatic," says Canadian criminologist Gary Mauser in 2003. "Over the past decade, the rate of violent crime in Canada has increased while in the United States the violent crime rate has plummeted." 3 * England: According to the BBC News, handgun crime in the United Kingdom rose by 40% in the two years after it passed its draconian gun ban in 1997.4 * Japan: One newspaper headline says it all: Police say "Crime rising in Japan, while arrests at record low."5 3. Fact: British citizens are now more likely to become a victim of crime than are people in the United States: * In 1998, a study conducted jointly by statisticians from the U.S. Department of Justice and the University of Cambridge in England found that most crime is now worse in England than in the United States. * "You are more likely to be mugged in England than in the United S…
creator: Ryan3k
date: 2006-04-15T05:01:37-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Aww, we're on-topic again.
creator: Berkut
date: 2006-04-15T05:24:39-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Quote: If you could show me some results from an academic journal as opposed to "GUNOWNERS.ORG" to prove your point, it would have much more validity. http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/1440764.stm Here's an article from that biased mess that you linked me that is nested within the footnotes (a clever guise designed to make the site look credible). Anywho, this study says that "A new study suggests the use of handguns in crime rose by 40% in the two years after the weapons were banned." Guess who commissioned this research? "The Countryside Alliance's Campaign for Shooting." How convenient. If you can show me an example where the study above has been replicated in the same area by a different and independent group of researchers, I will take your word for it. However, many of these little "studies" often have pitfalls and the results are plain WRONG. Anyone who takes a beginner's course in deviance/criminology knows that. In the meantime, interest groups pick and choose the findings that support their beliefs, discarding/ignoring others. http://www.sfu.ca/~mauser/papers/asc/ASC2002/ASC02-Talk.pdf http://www.justfacts.com/gun_control.htm Quote: * Right-to-carry laws require law enforcement agencies to issue handgun permits to all qualified applicants. Qualifications include criteria such as age, a clean criminal record, and completing a firearm safety course. (13) * In 1986, nine states had right-to-carry laws. (14) * As of 1998, 31 states have right-to-carry laws, and about half the U.S. population lives in these states. (3) * Florida adopted a right-to-carry law in 1987. At the time the law was passed, critics predicted increases in violence. The founder of the National Organization of Women, Betty Friedan stated: "lethal violence, even in self defense, only engenders more violence." (13) * When the law went into effect, the Dade County Police began a program to record all arrest and non arrest incidents involving concealed carry licensees. Between September of 1987 and…
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2006-04-15T08:14:55-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: I can't see why some people just believe their story without giving the opposing story a chance?? PS: Not saying that anyone here do this, just a lot of people on Earth
creator: Feetseek
date: 2006-04-20T00:42:38-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: i jsut watched 1 video (loose change) and it was pretty convincing. the pentegon attack looks pretty fake if it was an aircraft that hit it. but as for the twin towers attack...i really dont know what side to believe. there is a lot of evidence on both. but the way i see it is this: if it was a terrorist attack,why planes?? i mean it would have been much more effective just to simply drive a few armoured van/trucks in to the building. a few dozen or so armed men. basically all they had to do was get in.kill the secruity. go to where they needed to detonate the bombs and blow up the towers. why go to all the bother of hijacking planes and doing little damage to the buildings at the start and giving more people the chance of escape. if they had bombed teh building with suicide bombers on foot, they would have killed more people and could even have attacked hte buildings around them.more effective. if it was a setup though,why go to all the bother again with the planes?? they could have simply blown up the towers with explosives and blamed it on terrorists.it would have been more convincing.or they could even have paid terrorists to do it. but this is just what i think. since it is to do with america i really dont care very much since i live in the uk.but if the government wont release all the evidence of the attacks then they obviously have something to hide.
creator: renwarrior
date: 2006-04-22T14:27:14-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: You do realize all they had to do to hijack the planes were buy tickets and flash box cutters at flight attendants. Don't be an idiot and side with zunnie.
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2006-04-22T19:26:23-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: It may have been "more efficient" (debatable, but for argument's sake...), but having aircraft fly into the building definitly hits harder on the "scare factor". There is no point in killing someone if you can't "terrorize" them as well.
creator: warranto
date: 2006-04-22T20:48:37-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Why in the world would terrorists get armored vehicles for car bombs? First of all, an armored car would contain a good part of the blast. That's why Iraqi terrorists use sedans and trucks instead of captured or old tanks or the like for their bombs. Secondly, which would arouse more suspicion: several men buying a plane ticket or having several armored trucks make an unscheduled delivery to a downtown building? The 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center involved a car bomb (not an armored car) in the parking garage underneath the building, where you would think it would be most vulnerable. It only killed 6 people and didn't cause irreparable damage to the building. And all they'd have to do is kill the security? Please; this isn't the Matrix. That would set off all kinds of alarms all over New York and cause all sorts of screwups in their plan. Suicide bombers would certainly not have killed more than 2000 people unless they were armed with nukes. There is no way you could organize and move into the buildings in secret that many suicide bombers. And they certainly would not have taken down a skyscraper.
creator: PlastoJoe
date: 2006-04-22T21:45:52-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: what i meant was,hijack the building with sucide bombers. they dont just ahv to sneak in. a full on attack would scare teh shit outta u if u saw it and didnt expect it. u wuld 'terrorize' them by slaughtering hundreds of innocents and when swat teams and police show up detonate them selves severly damaging the building and causing its destruction. besides it was just a rough idea. people have their own opinions and their rightt o free speech u know. with the amount of evidence against the terrorist attack on its own would make you question the story.
creator: renwarrior
date: 2006-04-22T22:43:15-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Maybe you should NOT try to plan a terrorist attack before the Secret Service and the CIA want to investigate you?
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-04-23T00:54:24-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: good point. i think i'll keep em to myself,lol.
creator: renwarrior
date: 2006-04-23T15:10:04-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: renwarrior wrote on Sat, 22 April 2006 17:43 people have their own opinions and their rightt o free speech u know. Only the right to free speech from the government. Fortunately, I'm a private citizen with the right to bear arms. Lock and load!
creator: PlastoJoe
date: 2006-04-24T01:36:59-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Here's a question that hasn't been asked for the duration of this topic: "Who cares?" England's gun-related crime is irrelevant to the fact that the second amendment guarentees: Mad TV version of Karl Malone The right to bear arms, and "arms" means guns and "bear" means have, so that means you should bear guns. And it's most likely not going to change for a while. As for the 9/11 stuff? Drop it. It's over. The time for that was about 4 years ago, when people still gave a shit.
creator: Dover
date: 2006-04-25T22:06:03-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Dover wrote on Tue, 25 April 2006 18:06 As for the 9/11 stuff? Drop it. It's over. The time for that was about 4 years ago, when people still gave a shit. WRONG! 9/11 is still very relavent and the subject is still very touchy for most Americans. You do realize we are still engaged in a war that stemmed from 9/11. Stop being an ignorant child.
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2006-04-26T06:29:56-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: "Those who forget the past are condemmed to repeat it." ........... or at least something like that
creator: Feetseek
date: 2006-04-26T07:03:05-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: DarkDemin wrote on Tue, 25 April 2006 23:29 Dover wrote on Tue, 25 April 2006 18:06 As for the 9/11 stuff? Drop it. It's over. The time for that was about 4 years ago, when people still gave a shit. WRONG! 9/11 is still very relavent and the subject is still very touchy for most Americans. You do realize we are still engaged in a war that stemmed from 9/11. Stop being an ignorant child. You like to judge, don't you DarkDemin? Perhaps I should've made myself clear: Dover wrote on Tue, 25 Aptril 2006 15:06 The time for stupid conspiricy theories was 4 years ago, when people actually might've believed them.
creator: Dover
date: 2006-04-26T15:20:18-00:00

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description: I think he was appropriate to assume that you're ignorant to say that we should stop worrying about 9/11, and that it was 4 years ago. If you would have made yourself more clear, I'm sure he wouldn't have disagreed.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2006-04-26T16:17:01-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: My bad, then.
creator: Dover
date: 2006-04-26T17:46:55-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Sorry, I am used to the idiots that post on this area of the forum.
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2006-04-27T03:37:38-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: With Goztow gone, thread-bumpage shall recommence. So do people here still believe that 9/11 was an inside job or did they all pass grade 10?
creator: nikki6ixx
date: 2011-12-11T02:59:51-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2011-12-11T03:31:58-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: nikki6ixx wrote on Sat, 10 December 2011 20:59 With Goztow gone, thread-bumpage shall recommence. So do people here still believe that 9/11 was an inside job or did they all pass grade 10? I guess I usually don't have a problem with necro bumps.
creator: Doitle
date: 2011-12-11T05:04:06-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Necrobumps really shouldn't be a problem... so long that the bump is relevant to the topic. "LOL BUMP" is not relevant.
creator: R315r4z0r
date: 2011-12-11T05:18:33-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Well there is only one way to solve this; let's send it into Mythbusters and have them run a plane into a replica building and see if they can get it to collapse in the same way. Of course, they'd just roll their eyes at the suggestion as everyone with half a brain knows that the only people who had artier motives for slamming planes into the twin towers on 9/11 where the terrorists.
creator: Jerad2142
date: 2011-12-11T05:43:29-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Just for shits I browsed youtube because of this topic. These videos were posted this past summer, seem pretty interesting for anyone who wants to see a solid counter to the "truth" videos. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC3JgWkNNIQ&list=PL3DB8819ED82ABA1F&index =1&feature=plpp_video
creator: Homey
date: 2011-12-11T10:25:36-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: fuck america
creator: Hitman
date: 2011-12-11T15:35:40-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Hitman wrote on Sun, 11 December 2011 08:35 fuck america fuck you
creator: Gen_Blacky
date: 2011-12-11T19:53:49-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: fuck blacky
creator: ehhh
date: 2011-12-11T20:04:52-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: Read up on "Mechanics of Twin Towers collapse"
creator: TankClash
date: 2011-12-11T20:34:52-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: ehhh wrote on Sun, 11 December 2011 13:04 fuck blacky
creator: Hitman
date: 2011-12-11T22:09:45-00:00

Re: 9/11 Treason
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description: necrolock plx
creator: Starbuzz
date: 2011-12-11T23:58:59-00:00