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OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone?
I usually keep asking them to repeat themselves until they hang up. That or ask them to hold on and leave the phone on a shelf.
Re: OT: What do you do to sales people on the phone?
Two words: Arnold Soundboard. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/soundboards.shtml
Nothing, since I'm one of those sales people on the phone. Quote: That or ask them to hold on and leave the phone on a shelf. If you're trying to piss them off, don't. I love when people do that, because I'm required to wait five minutes. That means five minutes to talk to friends, get on the internet, etc.
I let them tell me their entire spiel about their product, then I tell them, "I'm not interested," and hang up.
YOURE A FUCKING TELAMARKETER! GO TO HELL! FUCKIN STOP CALLIN DURING DINNER!! DAMMIT!! I usally ask them realy retarted questions than I end it with somthing confusing than I say hold on ill get me credit card or somthing and just walk off and watch TV and I make sure they can hear my laughfing at the TV too!
Most people just do what Ryan3k do, which is understandable. Sometimes (once a week, usually) you get assclows like DJM that think they're clever.
Scuse me for not wanting to be hassled by companies at 8pm on a Sunday night, never mind the rest of the week, about double glazing which I already have, questionaires that I don't care about and cheaper insurance that I don't need. How you people get our numbers is beyond me, we've had our number removed from the phone book and the numerous "lists" and we still manage a few courtesy calls every now and then.
Your an asshole and should be put to sleep if you screw with, swear at or hang up on a telemarketer. Yes they are annoying but the people on the other end of that phone are just doing their job and don't need bullshit from immature morons. They are just trying to get through the day and earn an honest living like the rest of us. Simply tell them not to call this number again and say good bye. btw, they call at dinner time becuase they know that is the best odds of you being home dip shit.
Usually its somebody from abroad, we just hang up before they begin XD
So I'm an asshole to people who bug me about things I don't need/care about or already have. Sue me.
My entire family is cruel to telemarketers...including me. We pull the funniest and sometimes mean tricks on them... But I think about it alot...They are just doing their job.
I just got a sales call and this I wanted to share. Here is the conversation from my last call...this is what I really hate. Me: Hello. Them: Hello, is Mr. Jeff Anderson there? Me: He is not available, may I take a message? Them: No, but can you tell us when the best time to try back later would be? Me: Is this a sales call? Them: No, we are calling to try save you money on your television service. Me: So it's a sales call... Them: Well...(Pauses for about 3 seconds)...Yes. Me: *Hangs up.* I hate when sales representatives do that. It's annoying.
Human telemarketers don't annoy me anymore. They go away when you tell them you aren't interested and you can have them place you on the do-not-call list by asking them to not call again. Mechanical ones, on the other hand- they piss me off to no end. You know the type; they call and there's no way in hell you can hang up until they're done with you (seriously...you hang up, come back 5 minutes later and that digitized voice is still blabbering on about something or other). Mechanicals make me want to kill things, especially when I've got other calls I want to make. Telemarketers aren't the ultimate form of phone evil, though. Call waiting is. Nothing, and I mean nothing annoys me quite like a person who calls me and then proceeds to put me on hold while they yak on the other line. I frankly don't give half a shit how important that other call is, you called me. You are wasting my time. My answer to things like this anymore goes something like this: Caller: Hi, how are you? Me: Fine, you? Caller: Great. Hey, could you hold a minute, I've got someone on the other line... Me: No. Caller: What? Me: I won't hold. Caller: I have to take this call. Me: Fine. Just don't expect me to be here when you get back. Caller: I'll call back then. Me: I won't answer. Caller: Why not? Me: Whatever you want to say to me, you can say it now or not at all. If it was important enough to call me about before you called whoever else you want to talk to, you can let them wait. Caller: I don't understand why you can't just hold for a minute. Me: I don't see why I should have to. Have fun on the other line. *click* What's even worse is when someone like that calls for someone else living in your house and then makes you hold as if they were someone who you wanted a call from in the first place.
I'll probably tell them: "wrong number" because we got too many strangers calling to my house. =/ Normally, I get real confused when salespeople start calling my house and kept telling wrong number. =/ Damn stupid telephone company. For example, a guy dials a number which is different from my house and the tele company somehow patches that guy to my house number instead. And that happened on handphones too, one guy dialled a totally different number from my hp no and my tele company actually patched it to my hp..... =.=
SpyGuy246 wrote on Mon, 27 March 2006 13:10 Two words: Arnold Soundboard. http://www.ebaumsworld.com/soundboards.shtml I second that.
Politely say no, not interested as quickly as possible. Yes I hate the phone calls, but you gotta remember the people are human beings too...
Actually, to be honest, I usually don't have the presence of mind to have the website up and be ready with Ahnold when someone calls. That and I don't have caller ID. But what I do do is tell them "I'm not interested" 3 times. If they keep talking, I hang up. And they often do just that, although most get the hint after the first no.
I'm sorry but my mother and father are busy. They are people too.
DJM wrote on Mon, 27 March 2006 17:48 Scuse me for not wanting to be hassled by companies at 8pm on a Sunday night, never mind the rest of the week, about double glazing which I already have, questionaires that I don't care about and cheaper insurance that I don't need. How you people get our numbers is beyond me, we've had our number removed from the phone book and the numerous "lists" and we still manage a few courtesy calls every now and then. Generally, if you politely ask to be placed on a do not call list and don't hang up right away, it'll be processed within 3-4 weeks. Otherwise, "not interested" works. Harassing the person doing their job isn't going to do anything. Generally, kids that think they're tricky don't make me think twice anymore. I'll usually try back in about 2-3 days to see if I can catch an adult, otherwise we just place them in a list for a six month callback. (And no, I'm not one of those "lol insurance guys." I call previous AOL customers and either set them up with Verizon DSL + AOL or a three month AOL trial.)
Whenever I pick up that call, I lay it down and go away to do something else. Then I check up in about 30 minutes.
If they try to sell you something. Try*** to sell them something.
idjit626 wrote on Mon, 27 March 2006 17:08 YOURE A FUCKING TELAMARKETER! GO TO HELL! FUCKIN STOP CALLIN DURING DINNER!! DAMMIT!! I usally ask them realy retarted questions than I end it with somthing confusing than I say hold on ill get me credit card or somthing and just walk off and watch TV and I make sure they can hear my laughfing at the TV too! For some people, that's their living. Blame the company behind the practices, not the callers.
Since most of the dialers are automated, when I see an obvious telemarketer on my caller ID I just do the pickup/hangup. I assume that if a person were on the other end, they just got nothingness or my call was never given to a rep. My brother fucks with them -- it's hilarious for us listening and often the caller as well. He makes up a character on the spot and asks stupid questions. He does that to wrong number callers, too. He pretends that the person being called is indisposed at the moment and goes on and on about it.
Tell them whoever they are asking for has just recently died.
I 3-way the rejection hotline, then let it talk for me. Some people get the hint and hang up, others get pissed, and others just keep on talking. Either way, I get a laugh out of it, and usually they don't call back. As for the automated ones, I just hang up. There's no point. You can't insult a machine. No, telemarketers aren't "honest people". Would you say Nazis who worked at concentration camps were just "Honest people working for a living"? No, they make their money at the expense of other people, and so do telemarketers. Who has the AUDACITY to become a telemarketer with the reputation they have?
Dover wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:47 I 3-way the rejection hotline, then let it talk for me. Some people get the hint and hang up, others get pissed, and others just keep on talking. Either way, I get a laugh out of it, and usually they don't call back. As for the automated ones, I just hang up. There's no point. You can't insult a machine. No, telemarketers aren't "honest people". Would you say Nazis who worked at concentration camps were just "Honest people working for a living"? No, they make their money at the expense of other people, and so do telemarketers. Who has the AUDACITY to become a telemarketer with the reputation they have? Oh, give me a fucking break. I really with we all had the luxury of choosing a job that meets your moral standards, but it doesn't work that way. Most of the people I work with are quite honest. They're either highschool students looking for a high paying job with flexible hours (like myself) or older people in debt. Don't pretend we're all a bunch of crooks that took the job just waste five minutes of your time.
Dover wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:47 No, telemarketers aren't "honest people". Would you say Nazis who worked at concentration camps were just "Honest people working for a living"? No, they make their money at the expense of other people, and so do telemarketers. Who has the AUDACITY to become a telemarketer with the reputation they have? Yes, they are. German soldiers during WW2 weren't necessarily Nazi. They were controlled and ordered by the Nazi government. You were forced to do what you were told. Most people didn't actually believe in the practices they were being forced into performing. However, the true enemy of WW2 was the Nazi leaders and the SS. The reputation of telemarketers has no bearing on the job availability. If it's the only job available or the highest paying job, you're going to take it. Anybody with any logic and reasoning would do that. If I was given the chance to be a telemarketer, I would. Making $14/hr to make phone calls and getting rewarded for making a sale; why would someone give up that opportunity just because of the "reputation"? If you would... good luck in the real world with that attitude.
j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:23 Dover wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:47 No, telemarketers aren't "honest people". Would you say Nazis who worked at concentration camps were just "Honest people working for a living"? No, they make their money at the expense of other people, and so do telemarketers. Who has the AUDACITY to become a telemarketer with the reputation they have? Yes, they are. German soldiers during WW2 weren't necessarily Nazi. They were controlled and ordered by the Nazi government. You were forced to do what you were told. Most people didn't actually believe in the practices they were being forced into performing. However, the true enemy of WW2 was the Nazi leaders and the SS. Since when does "Just following orders" make you innocent? If you did what they did, you're a bad person, no matter who told you to. And for the record, it was the SS that operated the camps, not the soldiers. j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:23 The reputation of telemarketers has no bearing on the job availability. If it's the only job available or the highest paying job, you're going to take it. Anybody with any logic and reasoning would do that. If I was given the chance to be a telemarketer, I would. Making $14/hr to make phone calls and getting rewarded for making a sale; why would someone give up that opportunity just because of the "reputation"? If you would... good luck in the real world with that attitude. If you were offered a job of $14/hr to torture jews and were rewarded for killing them, would you do it? I can't sit there and bug people when they quite obviously (I say obviously based on 99% of answers that telemarketers get) don't want whatever garbage it is that they are being peddled. My morals wouldn't let me, because I know I hate being called by people I don't know selling junk I don't want. Have you noticed NOBODY in this topic as of now has said "I hear them out, and if they're offering something I want, I make a deal."? That's because telemarketers do nothing but bring discomfort to innocent people. If it were otherwise, telemarketers wouldn't have the bad rep they do.
How I treat them depends on how they treat me. I'll start off poilte, but I can quickly turn that around if they start pushing. In my book, no means no. If the telemarketer keeps pushing after someone says they're not interested, then I could care less what is done to them over the phone.
xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:05 Oh, give me a fucking break. I really with we all had the luxury of choosing a job that meets your moral standards, but it doesn't work that way. Most of the people I work with are quite honest. They're either highschool students looking for a high paying job with flexible hours (like myself) or older people in debt. Don't pretend we're all a bunch of crooks that took the job just waste five minutes of your time. You act as if there's some kind of shortage on availible jobs. If high wages and flexible hours are the only reason you have the job, then you're a terrible person. How can you justify causing others discomfort for "flexible hours"?! If most of the workforce can go to work from 9 to 5, so can you. I'm sure you didn't take the job with the intention of wasting our time, but that's a by-product you should've considered before taking the job.
Quote: You act as if there's some kind of shortage on availible jobs. Yeah, there is a shortage of available jobs. Quote: How can you justify causing others discomfort for "flexible hours"?! Two minutes of discomfort? How AWFUL! Grow a fucking spine, say "Not interested," and get on with your day. Quote: I'm sure you didn't take the job with the intention of wasting our time, but that's a by-product you should've considered before taking the job. You act as if I care about your time. =\ And the whole 'compate telemarketers to Nazis': ...what? You honestly get THAT worked up over a phone call? Quote: Have you noticed NOBODY in this topic as of now has said "I hear them out, and if they're offering something I want, I make a deal."? That's because telemarketers do nothing but bring discomfort to innocent people. If it were otherwise, telemarketers wouldn't have the bad rep they do. Our office average for sales is usually around 20% of calls, so some people do.
Dover wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:51 j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:23 Dover wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:47 No, telemarketers aren't "honest people". Would you say Nazis who worked at concentration camps were just "Honest people working for a living"? No, they make their money at the expense of other people, and so do telemarketers. Who has the AUDACITY to become a telemarketer with the reputation they have? Yes, they are. German soldiers during WW2 weren't necessarily Nazi. They were controlled and ordered by the Nazi government. You were forced to do what you were told. Most people didn't actually believe in the practices they were being forced into performing. However, the true enemy of WW2 was the Nazi leaders and the SS. Since when does "Just following orders" make you innocent? If you did what they did, you're a bad person, no matter who told you to. And for the record, it was the SS that operated the camps, not the soldiers. j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:23 The reputation of telemarketers has no bearing on the job availability. If it's the only job available or the highest paying job, you're going to take it. Anybody with any logic and reasoning would do that. If I was given the chance to be a telemarketer, I would. Making $14/hr to make phone calls and getting rewarded for making a sale; why would someone give up that opportunity just because of the "reputation"? If you would... good luck in the real world with that attitude. If you were offered a job of $14/hr to torture jews and were rewarded for killing them, would you do it? I can't sit there and bug people when they quite obviously (I say obviously based on 99% of answers that telemarketers get) don't want whatever garbage it is that they are being peddled. My morals wouldn't let me, because I know I hate being called by people I don't know selling junk I don't want. Have you noticed NOBODY in this topic as of now has said "I hear them out, and if they're offering something I want, I make a deal."? That's because telemarketers do nothing but bring discomfort to innocent people. If it were otherwise, telemarketers wouldn't have the bad rep they do. Let me guess, you're a liberal? (off topic, but I feel that I make an accurate assumption) If they're being forced to do something against their will... yeah, it does make them innocent. If you're raped, does that not make you innocent? You're being forced to perform a sexual act, yet the victim is still performing the act. Then by your logic, they're not innocent. Now you've just made all rapists wrongfully accused. Calling people and advertising is an equivelant of killing jews? You're a member of PETA, aren't you? If telemarketing didn't work, it wouldn't be worth spending the money on it, now would it be? Corporations don't just go, "hey, let's waste millions of dollars on telemarketing just for the Hell of it!" They know that it works. Sure, a majority of people don't buy into the products, but for the percentage that it does work on... they make a profit off of. Also, if you're going to bitch about telemarketing, then you better bitch about TV commercials, radio commercials, and road bilboards because they do the same thing. If I see a Budweiser TV commercial, I'm not interested in buying Budweiser, but that doesn't mean that it won't work on others. Also, yeah, there is a shortage of jobs. Unemployment is at 5%, which means that it's NOT at full employment (4% unemployment). If it's not at full employment, it means that there's not enough jobs for there to be full employment. Hence an obvious observation of a shortage of jobs.
Dover If you were offered a job of $14/hr to torture jews and were rewarded for killing them, would you do it? You are taking it out of context. When you recieve a telemarketing call nobody gets murdered for being in a certain ethnic group or religion. And depending on what is on offer, for example offering cheaper internet access to previous customers of AOL. It's not always a bad thing. Over here (UK), I'm getting a job in a call centre. Where I will be phoning existing customers of a certain gas company and asking them (not pushing, but at the same time not being too passive) if they would like insurance to cover them if anything is to go wrong with their gas supply (leak, mains burst. etc). You could say we are selling them peace of mind.
We don't get those calls. Our number ins't listed.
Mindtzar wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 16:38 Dover If you were offered a job of $14/hr to torture jews and were rewarded for killing them, would you do it? You are taking it out of context. When you recieve a telemarketing call nobody gets murdered for being in a certain ethnic group or religion. And depending on what is on offer, for example offering cheaper internet access to previous customers of AOL. It's not always a bad thing. Over here (UK), I'm getting a job in a call centre. Where I will be phoning existing customers of a certain gas company and asking them (not pushing, but at the same time not being too passive) if they would like insurance to cover them if anything is to go wrong with their gas supply (leak, mains burst. etc). You could say we are selling them peace of mind. Mindtzar lives! [/offtopicpost]
I see Godwin's Law has been invoked. Sorry Dover, but I think tradition clearly states that you just lost the argument. But seriously people, stop acting so overly sensitive. Don't act offended by people who say they play pranks on telemarketers if you're going to call them "assclowns," "dipshits," or suggest that they should be killed. You're treating them the same way on the internet as they treat people over the phone.
I don't like telemarketing but seriously, you can't compare them to Nazis. That's just insane. My point is, we've had our number taken of every list we can find and yet some calls still manage to come through on a Sunday night occasionally whilst we're eating. If these people are going out of their way to bug us even though we've asked not to be bugged then they deserve what they get. Me: Have you got a number I can ring you back on? Them: Yes it's 0176...... Me: Is that your home number? Them: I'm sorry I don't want you calling that. Me: I don't want you calling mine either. *Puts phone down*.
Before you put the phone down and after you say "I don't want you calling mine," just ask to then be removed from their list.
Dover wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 14:56 You act as if there's some kind of shortage on availible jobs. Well, up here in Manitoba getting a job even at Mcdonalds or a Dairy Queens is hard. That's how bad it is, and no I'm not incopitent as I'm often seen as the overachiever in the group. Anyways, what I do to telemarketers is just get my parents to handle it. My mom's pretty nice to them, but depending whether or not my dad has had one too many.... lets just say I'm left feeling sorry for the guy on the other end of the phone.
I used to work at a call center... I got fired because I suck at it. I had a blast working there though, not because of what we were doing there, but because the people I worked with. Didn't matter that age. There were some younger than myself, and those who were well older... Almost like a close group of friends out to just have a good time. A telemarketer isn't a bad thing. When you say you don't like that they continue after you say, "I'm not interested.", you can't get mad at the caller... They truely are just doing their job. At where I worked you were required to rebuttal at least twice during each and every call they are able to. My wife also worked as one and the same policy applied. I don't have any problem with listening to what they have to say. You'd be surprised with how nice a person would be after you let them say their thing, and then you nicely said your not interested. Surely there can't be much where you can't spare yourself a few minutes to let this person do their job. You know... The longer their on the phone with you, the better they do their job... They don't mind giving you the whole story about the product they might be selling, just for you to say no. In fact, I loved when I got them type of people. Had some great conversations with some people on the phone that way... Talking to strangers on the phone can be quite fun. I've had pranks pulled on me also... Know what? Doesn't do anything. When that call is over, you or what you just did is not even a memory... But those calls who actually listened to you or even talked to you (even if they said no) are the ones you remember.
I got an automated telemarketing call today on my CELL PHONE.
We have Caller ID, so we just don't answer. I would never make fun of one of them or prank them though. I'd feel really bad about it...
I say "Mrs *mymum'ssurname* isn't avaliable etc" This is a funny story: A friend get's a telemarketing call: sales person: Would you like a conservatory? Friend: Yes, ooh, how much? SP: *some quote* F: ooh, that sounds great SP it has self-cleaning glass etc... (this continues for about five minutes whilst the sales person lists all the features and times they can put it on etc...) SP: so on saturday? at 3:00? F if you can put a conservatory on a second floor flat. *click* lol
Doitle wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 23:09 We have Caller ID, so we just don't answer. What if some of them don't dsiplay caller ID(it just says unknown number)?
We ignore unknown numbers. If it's important, they'll leave a message.
because we have been getting so many sales calls recently we have just taken to not bothering to answer the phone anymore... If it's important they will leave a message... Sometimes we do 1471 and see if its a number any of us recognise, if not we dont call back..
xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 Yeah, there is a shortage of available jobs. Utter and complete Bullshit. xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 Two minutes of discomfort? How AWFUL! Grow a fucking spine, say "Not interested," and get on with your day. It's not even the two minutes. It's more of the "Who the fuck are you and why are you calling my house without permission?" xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 You act as if I care about your time. =\ ...Which makes you a bad person. I'm sure Nazi's didn't care for the jews much either. xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 And the whole 'compate telemarketers to Nazis': ...what? First example that came to mind, although I can provide others if you'd like. xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 Our office average for sales is usually around 20% of calls, so some people do. By "usually around", do you mean "7-8%"? Even at 20, that's pathetic. 4 out of every 5 people you call want to be left the hell alone. That's less than half of a majority.
j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:36 Let me guess, you're a liberal? (off topic, but I feel that I make an accurate assumption) Define "liberal". j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:36 If they're being forced to do something against their will... yeah, it does make them innocent. If you're raped, does that not make you innocent? You're being forced to perform a sexual act, yet the victim is still performing the act. Then by your logic, they're not innocent. Now you've just made all rapists wrongfully accused. That entire paragraph was absolute nonsense. Rapists have a choice, the victem doesn't. Similarly, you, the telemarketer, can quit your job and stop bugging people. The people on the recieving end of the call have no choice. Even if we don't answer, we endure the endless ringing, and then you just call back later that day. j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:36 Calling people and advertising is an equivelant of killing jews? You're a member of PETA, aren't you? Are you shitting me? Of course not. PETA sucks. And I never implied that the two were equivelants. j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:36 If telemarketing didn't work, it wouldn't be worth spending the money on it, now would it be? Corporations don't just go, "hey, let's waste millions of dollars on telemarketing just for the Hell of it!" They know that it works. Sure, a majority of people don't buy into the products, but for the percentage that it does work on... they make a profit off of. Do spam e-mails work? I doubt it, but people still do it because it's do damn cheap. The companies win because they get a measly "20 or so percent" of the people called, the callers win because they get their measly $14 an hour, but the call-reciever just gets pissed off. j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:36 Also, if you're going to bitch about telemarketing, then you better bitch about TV commercials, radio commercials, and road bilboards because they do the same thing. If I see a Budweiser TV commercial, I'm not interested in buying Budweiser, but that doesn't mean that it won't work on others. Oh, but there are ways around those. I have Tivo, and can skip commercials. I listen to internet radio--no commercials. I'm not FORCED to look at road billboards. They're just there if I happen to glance over. If I don't like it, I look away. I can't do that with telemarketers. j_ball430 wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:36 Also, yeah, there is a shortage of jobs. Unemployment is at 5%, which means that it's NOT at full employment (4% unemployment). If it's not at full employment, it means that there's not enough jobs for there to be full employment. Hence an obvious observation of a shortage of jobs. You dumbass. Do you have any grasp of economics? If we were at 0% unemployment, do you know how much inflation there'd be? Your $14 an hour would be worthless. The target unemployment rate is between 4 and 6%, so I'd say there are enough jobs. More than enough, even.
Dover, your rebuttal is weak and immature. And you continue making the telemarketer-Nazi comparison.
Why do telemarketers assume we want to be called? If only 20% actually accept the sale, why bother with a "Do-Not-Call" list? How about a "Do-Call" list, and don't call anybody else. If people want to be called to learn about exciting offers about their long-distance phone carrier, let them sign up for it. As for the nazi thing, would you like another comparison? -Internment camps along the West coast during WWII -Rape -Mormon Missionaries -PETA The list goes on. The point is, if I wanted to know about whatever crap you're selling, I would call YOU. Again, my point is DON'T CALL ME. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't call me.
Dover wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 14:44 xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 Yeah, there is a shortage of available jobs. Utter and complete Bullshit. And how do you know if there is a job shortage where xptek lives? You have no proof to back up your point. Quote: xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 Two minutes of discomfort? How AWFUL! Grow a fucking spine, say "Not interested," and get on with your day. It's not even the two minutes. It's more of the "Who the fuck are you and why are you calling my house without permission?" So everyone who calls your household needs permission first? How are they to get this permission? They obviously cannot call you to get permission first, can they? Quote: xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 You act as if I care about your time. =\ ...Which makes you a bad person. I'm sure Nazi's didn't care for the jews much either. Dude, you're comparing genocide to a minor inconvenince... Comparing it to something extreme does not make all telemarketers instantly pure evil. I'm sure you don't care about xptek do you? By your logic, that means you're also a bad person. Quote: xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 And the whole 'compate telemarketers to Nazis': ...what? First example that came to mind, although I can provide others if you'd like. xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 Our office average for sales is usually around 20% of calls, so some people do. By "usually around", do you mean "7-8%"? Even at 20, that's pathetic. 4 out of every 5 people you call want to be left the hell alone. That's less than half of a majority. Again, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, how the hell would you know how many sales they make? You don't work for the same company do you? Therefore you have no access to their sales records. You lose by default!
Dover wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:50 Why do telemarketers assume we want to be called? If only 20% actually accept the sale, why bother with a "Do-Not-Call" list? How about a "Do-Call" list, and don't call anybody else. If people want to be called to learn about exciting offers about their long-distance phone carrier, let them sign up for it. As for the nazi thing, would you like another comparison? -Internment camps along the West coast during WWII -Rape -Mormon Missionaries -PETA The list goes on. The point is, if I wanted to know about whatever crap you're selling, I would call YOU. Again, my point is DON'T CALL ME. Don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't, don't call me. Telemarkters don't assume you want to be called, they just call a list of numbers given to them. And a do-call list wouldn't work, as there is just as much chance of the people on it not being interested as a just a list of numbers. And not to mention they would get pestered all the time and be less likely to purchase whatever you're trying to sell them. On a side note, you're coming across as an angsty it's cool to hate everything kid.
Dover Define "liberal". Democrat Dover That entire paragraph was absolute nonsense. Rapists have a choice, the victem doesn't. Similarly, you, the telemarketer, can quit your job and stop bugging people. The people on the recieving end of the call have no choice. Even if we don't answer, we endure the endless ringing, and then you just call back later that day. My comparison makes perfect sense. I wasn't comparing anything to telemarketers in this paragraph, I was just saying that Nazi soldiers were innocent even though they were forced to kill millions. Nothing more; nothing less. Dover Are you shitting me? Of course not. PETA sucks. And I never implied that the two were equivelants. I never said you did, but the president of PETA seems to think that killing animals is equivelant to the Holocaust, so I figured you gained your ammo from her. Dover Do spam e-mails work? I doubt it, but people still do it because it's do damn cheap. The companies win because they get a measly "20 or so percent" of the people called, the callers win because they get their measly $14 an hour, but the call-reciever just gets pissed off. Some spam e-mails work, but it's not the legit corporations that spam. The customers who buy into the product aren't pissed, are they? Also, anybody getting pissed over a phone call needs anger management. Dover Oh, but there are ways around those. I have Tivo, and can skip commercials. I listen to internet radio--no commercials. I'm not FORCED to look at road billboards. They're just there if I happen to glance over. If I don't like it, I look away. I can't do that with telemarketers. Yes, you can. You just simply ignore the call. Don't pick up. Let the answering machine get it. If it's a telemarketer, they won't leave a message. Dover You dumbass. Do you have any grasp of economics? If we were at 0% unemployment, do you know how much inflation there'd be? Your $14 an hour would be worthless. The target unemployment rate is between 4 and 6%, so I'd say there are enough jobs. More than enough, even. I have plenty of a grasp of economics. I was going for business management last year. I know what would happen with unemployment being 0%, but did I ever mention that figure (0%)? No, I said full employment is 4%. 5 percent is actually a fairly larger number than 4% (around 1.5 million people), so no, 5% is not a perfectly healthy unemployment rate. The target is 4%, not 4-6%. 2 percent is quite a big margin.
Quote: Why do telemarketers assume we want to be called? If only 20% actually accept the sale, why bother with a "Do-Not-Call" list? How about a "Do-Call" list, and don't call anybody else. If people want to be called to learn about exciting offers about their long-distance phone carrier, let them sign up for it. Do call list = less people to call = fewer sales. Think about it. Quote: Utter and complete Bullshit. How'd you come to that conclusion? Quote: It's not even the two minutes. It's more of the "Who the fuck are you and why are you calling my house without permission?" Thanks for proving my point. Now if we can figure out how this compares to genocide. Quote: ...Which makes you a bad person. I'm sure Nazi's didn't care for the jews much either. Can you show me the rubric you're using to get this "omg bad person!" label? Just wondering if I fall under any categories that make me "bad." Quote: By "usually around", do you mean "7-8%"? Even at 20, that's pathetic. 4 out of every 5 people you call want to be left the hell alone. That's less than half of a majority. By "usually around," I mean "20%." We generally get lists in the form of 10,000 people. Once you're done calling that, there's 2,000 sales at $50 each. I'm not expecting you to grasp any of this, considering you're around 16 and posting from your school's connection, but when you get a job you'll realize other people's morality and convenience aren't things you consider.
Friends, and Family don't have unknown numbers... Thus, we don't answer.
Wow, this simple topic has turned into a full fledged arguement.
dude#1 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 21:45 Wow, this simple topic has turned into a full fledged arguement. Welcome to the internet...
dude#1 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 21:45 Wow, this simple topic has turned into a full fledged arguement. Exchanging opinions in a topic? Awful.
I'm not usually rude, but I definately don't "wait" for their first (of three) rebuttals. "Hi, is this shane?" "yes it is" "we're calling you to let you know of a ..." "not interested, thanks" <click>
Dan wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:57 And how do you know if there is a job shortage where xptek lives? You have no proof to back up your point. Unemployment rate is just under 4%, whereas the target unemployment rate is 4-6% to avoid inflation. If he lives anywhere in the United States, there are enough job. And there are even more in Europe. Dan wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:57 So everyone who calls your household needs permission first? How are they to get this permission? They obviously cannot call you to get permission first, can they? If they know me, they can ask me. If they don't know me, chance are I'd rather not talk to them. Easy system, eh? Dan wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:57 Dude, you're comparing genocide to a minor inconvenince... Comparing it to something extreme does not make all telemarketers instantly pure evil. Why does everyone assume I mean telemarketers are equal to nazis? My point was that they both cause harm to others for their own convienance. Whatever form that may take, genocide or advertisement, it's WRONG. Dan wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:57 I'm sure you don't care about xptek do you? By your logic, that means you're also a bad person. Of coure I care about xptek, as much as a person can care about text on the internet... Dan wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:57 Again, you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, how the hell would you know how many sales they make? He told me, although I could choose to not believe him... Dan wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:57 You don't work for the same company do you? Therefore you have no access to their sales records. No, but he told me, and I'm sure he does.
Mindtzar wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:02 Telemarkters don't assume you want to be called, they just call a list of numbers given to them. And a do-call list wouldn't work, as there is just as much chance of the people on it not being interested as a just a list of numbers. And not to mention they would get pestered all the time and be less likely to purchase whatever you're trying to sell them. /*Begin Sarcasm Wait, so you mean people DON'T want to be called by strangers? Wow, you're right. I never thought of it that way. End Sarcasm */ Mindtzar wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:02 On a side note, you're coming across as an angsty it's cool to hate everything kid. Hate everything? No, a handful of things, telemarketers included. Let me tell you a story. About a year and a half ago, I had my girlfriend over, and we were...eh..."getting intimate". That's when a telemarketer calls. The first time I ignore it, but he calls back in 5 minutes. He repeats this until I answer on the fourth call. I told him I wasn't interested, but he didn't take "No" for an answer. I ended up having to yank the phone line to get the fucker to stop calling. By then I was so pissed I wasn't in the mood for sex. My entire day ruined, thanks to one telemarketer and his $14/hr wage and BS hours. How about you telemarketers find REAL jobs, eh? You know, jobs where you actually do WORK?
j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 Democrat No. j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 My comparison makes perfect sense. I wasn't comparing anything to telemarketers in this paragraph, I was just saying that Nazi soldiers were innocent even though they were forced to kill millions. Nothing more; nothing less. "Forced", doubtful. Soldiers were sent to fight WWII, the SS ran the camps. Are you going to sit here and defend the SS for me? j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 I never said you did, but the president of PETA seems to think that killing animals is equivelant to the Holocaust, so I figured you gained your ammo from her. The president of PETA will also have us consider that animals have formed their own nations, and that we as humans have no right to intervene. I'm sure she also wrote a book on "How to introduce farm animals into your love life", but that doesn't make her right. Or sane. j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 Some spam e-mails work, but it's not the legit corporations that spam. In all my days, I've never heard of anyone actually buying something from email, with the possible exception of porn. j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 The customers who buy into the product aren't pissed, are they? Also, anybody getting pissed over a phone call needs anger management. Ugh, it if was one phone call, I'd understand, but these people make a living out of calling other people and talking about nonsense. What the fuck is that?! j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 Yes, you can. You just simply ignore the call. Don't pick up. Let the answering machine get it. If it's a telemarketer, they won't leave a message. ...And have them call back later in the day, or tomarrow... j_ball430 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 15:41 I have plenty of a grasp of economics. I was going for business management last year. I know what would happen with unemployment being 0%, but did I ever mention that figure (0%)? No, I said full employment is 4%. 5 percent is actually a fairly larger number than 4% (around 1.5 million people), so no, 5% is not a perfectly healthy unemployment rate. The target is 4%, not 4-6%. 2 percent is quite a big margin. 2% is a big margin, but an economy isn't a scarecrow. It can take a bit of a beating. Anything above 6% is considered "High" unemployment, and anything below 4% is considered "low", therefore the target is between 4 and 6%.
xptek wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 16:30 Do call list = less people to call = fewer sales. Think about it. I'm sure it does, but frankly, I don't give a shit about your sales. Quote: Utter and complete Bullshit. xptek wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 16:30 How'd you come to that conclusion? The national unemployment rate. How'd you come to the conclusion that there's a shortage? xptek wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 16:30 Thanks for proving my point. Now if we can figure out how this compares to genocide. Nazis = caused harm to others for their own satisfaction Telemarketers = cause harm to others (Via unwanted phonecalls) for their own satisfaction (Via $14/hr) If you'll noticed, I never meantioned the word "Genocide". xptek wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 16:30 Can you show me the rubric you're using to get this "omg bad person!" label? Just wondering if I fall under any categories that make me "bad." I don't have one pre-made, but I'll draw one up for you. Thrice Maddox Bill Clinton Lola Ray ---Good people above here--- Talk radio hostss ----Bad people below here--- Oprah Telemarketers People who insist on causing arguments online Nazis Paris Hilton xptek wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 16:30 By "usually around," I mean "20%." We generally get lists in the form of 10,000 people. Once you're done calling that, there's 2,000 sales at $50 each. The fact remains that that's only 20%. That meanss 80% of the people you call that want to be left the hell alone. xptek wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 16:30 I'm not expecting you to grasp any of this, considering you're around 16 and posting from your school's connection, but when you get a job you'll realize other people's morality and convenience aren't things you consider. I have a job. But then again, what do you care? You're a blowhard who assumes I don't. And again, if you're only concerned with your paycheck for doing "work", then you'd be what's called "selfish", which puts you under the "Bad Person" catigory.
I fail to realize why everyone is making a big deal out of this. I don't like telemarketers. In fact I hate them with a passion. Are you telling me I'm not allowed to do that?
There can be enough jobs generally but not enough jobs in the category you're applying for. That being said, in the US there are many jobs but many people need more than one job to get around. Welcome to the dream of America!
Quote: The fact remains that that's only 20%. That meanss 80% of the people you call that want to be left the hell alone. The fact remains it's a profitable practice that's not going away any time soon. Deal with it. Quote: The national unemployment rate. How'd you come to the conclusion that there's a shortage? Namely the lack of jobs in my area. Quote: I don't have one pre-made, but I'll draw one up for you. Thrice Maddox Bill Clinton Lola Ray ---Good people above here--- Talk radio hostss ----Bad people below here--- Oprah Telemarketers People who insist on causing arguments online Nazis Paris Hilton Correction: Everyone --Good people above here-- Leonard J. Crabs --Bad people below here-- Martin Kasakov /me nods. Dover wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 01:47 I fail to realize why everyone is making a big deal out of this. I don't like telemarketers. In fact I hate them with a passion. Are you telling me I'm not allowed to do that? No, it's the fact that you're lashing out at the people doing their jobs rather than the companies using the telemarketing firms' services. If you honestly want to do anything to stop telemarketing, write a letter/call the company using our services and tell them you're not buying their product because of the telephone solicitation they use.
Dover "Forced", doubtful. Soldiers were sent to fight WWII, the SS ran the camps. Are you going to sit here and defend the SS for me? Do I look stupid enough to defend the SS? Did I not earlier call them the true enemy in WW2? My point is, you're an idiot for comparing the two. I think that's been everybody's point. Dover The president of PETA will also have us consider that animals have formed their own nations, and that we as humans have no right to intervene. I'm sure she also wrote a book on "How to introduce farm animals into your love life", but that doesn't make her right. Or sane. So we agree on something, however, that was not my point. I was just noticing a similiarity in your ideologies. Dover In all my days, I've never heard of anyone actually buying something from email, with the possible exception of porn. You've also never heard of a 20% sales rate for telemarketing, so I'm going to go as far as guessing that you truly don't know any numbers concerning email advertisement. I almost bought a new harddrive off of a TigerDirect email that I received. I wanted to, but I couldn't afford it. Dover Ugh, it if was one phone call, I'd understand, but these people make a living out of calling other people and talking about nonsense. What the fuck is that?! You don't have to answer the phone. Enough said. Dover ...And have them call back later in the day, or tomarrow... So you ignore them later in the day or the next. It's quite a simple idea. Dover 2% is a big margin, but an economy isn't a scarecrow. It can take a bit of a beating. Anything above 6% is considered "High" unemployment, and anything below 4% is considered "low", therefore the target is between 4 and 6%. The target percentage is about 4.3% unemployment. I never heard of this 4-6% bullshit. Maybe, at the most, unemployment can be at 5% and be considered healthy. Speaking of which... Dover Unemployment rate is just under 4% Where the Hell did you get that number? The national unemployment rate is around 5%, not under 4%. There's no shortage of jobs. I have no clue where you're getting your numbers from... And on another note: Bill Clinton and Maddox are "good" people? Heh... you are truly confused, aren't you? How is Oprah "bad"? I don't like her, but I certainly don't consider her a "bad" person.
xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 01:57 The fact remains it's a profitable practice that's not going away any time soon. Deal with it. So is carjacking, but that doesn't make it okay. Since when does "Profitable" mean "Acceptable"? xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 01:57 Namely the lack of jobs in my area. Based on...your keen observation? xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 01:57 Correction: Everyone --Good people above here-- Leonard J. Crabs --Bad people below here-- Martin Kasakov /me nods. For having an opinion? Heh, what do I care? I'm secure enough to not get all butt-hurt about some guy over the internet talking about what he thinks. I guess the same can't be said for you though. xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 01:57 No, it's the fact that you're lashing out at the people doing their jobs rather than the companies using the telemarketing firms' services. If you honestly want to do anything to stop telemarketing, write a letter/call the company using our services and tell them you're not buying their product because of the telephone solicitation they use. Companies are capitalists, and capitalists have no feelings. What do they care who they're discomforting? And don't the people who work for those companies still have some kind of moral obligation? Or are they washed clean from that using the excuse "I'm just doing my job"? Even if I am lashing out, why are you getting all anal about it?
j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 Do I look stupid enough to defend the SS? Did I not earlier call them the true enemy in WW2? My point is, you're an idiot for comparing the two. I think that's been everybody's point.[/quote] My comparison ends at their frame of mind, not at their actions. I think you're an idiot for taking it out of context. j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 So we agree on something, however, that was not my point. I was just noticing a similiarity in your ideologies. Ideologies? My ideology is "Leave me the hell alone, I don't want your car insurance, I don't want your Book-O-Mormon, I don't want to buy cheaper j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 You've also never heard of a 20% sales rate for telemarketing, so I'm going to go as far as guessing that you truly don't know any numbers concerning email advertisement. I almost bought a new harddrive off of a TigerDirect email that I received. I wanted to, but I couldn't afford it. xptek wrote on Tue, 28 March 2006 15:25 Our office average for sales is usually around 20% of calls, so some people do. j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 You don't have to answer the phone. Enough said. If I don't, they keep calling back. And even if I don't answer, the ringing is interuption enough. j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 So you ignore them later in the day or the next. It's quite a simple idea. I shouldn't have to, because they shouldn't be calling me in the first place. j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 The target percentage is about 4.3% unemployment. I never heard of this 4-6% bullshit. Maybe, at the most, unemployment can be at 5% and be considered healthy. Speaking of which... Obviously we disagree here. j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 09:22 Bill Clinton and Maddox are "good" people? Heh... you are truly confused, aren't you? How is Oprah "bad"? I don't like her, but I certainly don't consider her a "bad" person. I could go on into this big long explanation on why I consider some people above the line and others below the line, but I don't think you care, and I don't care to tell you. Suffice to say that it's based on my experiances and opinions.
I happen to like capitalism. I like the fact that people can make themselves successful and don't have to answer to anybody for it. Telemarketing is... marketing. Marketing isn't always the most convenient for the consumers, but it gets the job done. Marketing is about one thing, and one thing only. It's to sell the product. You can't just sell the product and expect people to buy it just on chance alone. How do you get sales? You build it upon the quality of your product and the name of your product. How do you get your name out there to where it becomes trusted? You advertise. How do you advertise? TV and radio commercials, billboards, flyers, and telemarketing. Business is economics. The whole point of business is to make a profit. You don't look for the nicest ways of making a buck, you look for the easiet, cheapest, and most effective. If something works, you do it. Telemarketing obviously works, so it's going to be used. Get over it. You are a consumer. Companies want your buisiness. They can't get your business if you don't know about them or their product.
Just for the record, the definition of liberal is not Democrat, in any way, shape, or form.
Ryan3k wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 11:38 Just for the record, the definition of liberal is not Democrat, in any way, shape, or form. Well, yeah... I know.
Quote: So is carjacking, but that doesn't make it okay. Since when does "Profitable" mean "Acceptable"? Sources indicate carjacking is indeed illegal. Telemarketing isn't. Quote: Companies are capitalists, and capitalists have no feelings. What do they care who they're discomforting? And don't the people who work for those companies still have some kind of moral obligation? Or are they washed clean from that using the excuse "I'm just doing my job"? If companies get enough complaints, they'll eventually look at it. They don't care about your feelings (neither do I!), but if enough people contact them telling them they won't buy from them because of their telemarketing, they may considering dropping it if they're losing money. Quote: Based on...your keen observation? Based on the lack of jobs. Quote: Even if I am lashing out, why are you getting all anal about it? I don't know, generally when you're slandering an entire group of people, there's at least one person that's going to have a problem with it.
j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 10:35 I happen to like capitalism. I like the fact that people can make themselves successful and don't have to answer to anybody for it. That part's fine. It's the part where people who actually do work get paid chicken shit, while cushy office jobs get higher wages. Being an "administrator" and twiddling your thumbs gets you an even higher wage. Do you see the problem yet? j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 10:35 Business is economics. The whole point of business is to make a profit. You don't look for the nicest ways of making a buck, you look for the easiet, cheapest, and most effective. If something works, you do it. The "easiest, cheapest, and most effective" would be subliminal messenging and brainwashing, but that happens to be illegal in most countries, because it's something called "immoral". Morality comes to play with business practices, and advertisement is no differant. j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 10:35 Telemarketing obviously works, so it's going to be used. Get over it. You are a consumer. Companies want your buisiness. They can't get your business if you don't know about them or their product. Perhaps they can tell me about their product in some way that doesn't interupt whatever it is I'm doing. On a billboard, let's say. The company owns that billboard. It can do whatever it wants on it. What right does this company have to bother me in the privacy of my own house?
xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 13:00 Sources indicate carjacking is indeed illegal. Telemarketing isn't. "Illegal" and "immoral" aren't the same thing. Just because something isn't illegal doesn't mean it isn't immoral. Peeing in a public pool, for example, isn't illegal, but it sure is immoral xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 13:00 If companies get enough complaints, they'll eventually look at it. They don't care about your feelings (neither do I!), but if enough people contact them telling them they won't buy from them because of their telemarketing, they may considering dropping it if they're losing money. Yeah, just like a factory will recall a defective/dangerous product only if they're going to lose money out of it. It's true, but is it morally right? I say no. Call me an idealist, but that's the way I see things. xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 13:00 Based on the lack of jobs. And what told you there's a lack of jobs? xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 13:00 I don't know, generally when you're slandering an entire group of people, there's at least one person that's going to have a problem with it. You know, I'm sure telemarketers are fine people, when they're not telemarketing. I could meet a telemarketer on the street and not notice, or care. He could be a great guy. It's on the job I can't stand them. I suppose you could say it's not the people I hate as much as the act of telemarketing. I cannot stand being called by a telemarketer, since whatever I'm doing is almost always more important than hearing about car insurance.
Quote: And what told you there's a lack of jobs? The lack of jobs. As in.. there's not enough jobs to justify quitting my current one. Capiche? Quote: It's on the job I can't stand them I suppose you could say it's not the people I hate as much as the act of telemarketing. I honestly can't stand being called by a telemarketer either, but if you're kind to the people and politely ask them to place you on the do not call list, and then maybe say "thank you" after they say okay, the calls will get a lot less frequent.
xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 15:25 The lack of jobs. As in.. there's not enough jobs to justify quitting my current one. Capiche? I'm sure there are, just jobs you aren't willing to do. For example, in my first job I was a bag boy at an Albertsons by my house, and I only earned $7/hr. But it was still a job. xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 15:25 I honestly can't stand being called by a telemarketer either, but if you're kind to the people and politely ask them to place you on the do not call list, and then maybe say "thank you" after they say okay, the calls will get a lot less frequent. I doubt it. Putting personal experiances aside, I've read in this topic that (some) telemarketers are trained to heckle you until your third rebuttle. I've gone up to eight rebuttles before hanging up on telemarketers before. Telemarketers are salesmen, and salesmen are trained to get to the sale at all costs.
Dover That part's fine. It's the part where people who actually do work get paid chicken shit, while cushy office jobs get higher wages. Being an "administrator" and twiddling your thumbs gets you an even higher wage. Do you see the problem yet? Honestly? No. Most likely they earned that position. Dover The "easiest, cheapest, and most effective" would be subliminal messenging and brainwashing, but that happens to be illegal in most countries, because it's something called "immoral". Morality comes to play with business practices, and advertisement is no differant. Calling you on the phone and offering a product is not immoral. Dover Perhaps they can tell me about their product in some way that doesn't interupt whatever it is I'm doing. On a billboard, let's say. The company owns that billboard. It can do whatever it wants on it. What right does this company have to bother me in the privacy of my own house? They own a phone line, don't they? That gives them the right to make phone calls. Just as owning a billboard gives them the right to post their advertisement.
xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 00:49 dude#1 wrote on Wed, 29 March 2006 21:45 Wow, this simple topic has turned into a full fledged arguement. Exchanging opinions in a topic? Awful. Your words, not mine.
Dover wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 14:38 xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 15:25 The lack of jobs. As in.. there's not enough jobs to justify quitting my current one. Capiche? I'm sure there are, just jobs you aren't willing to do. For example, in my first job I was a bag boy at an Albertsons by my house, and I only earned $7/hr. But it was still a job. Cutting my pay in 1/2 because of your moral concerns simply isn't viable. Quote: I doubt it. Putting personal experiances aside, I've read in this topic that (some) telemarketers are trained to heckle you until your third rebuttle. I've gone up to eight rebuttles before hanging up on telemarketers before. Telemarketers are salesmen, and salesmen are trained to get to the sale at all costs. Eh, I don't know. Where I work, we don't do any rebuttals. Ever. So I can't speak for every company.
xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 13:42 Cutting my pay in 1/2 because of your moral concerns simply isn't viable. I'm sure it isn't, but that was when I was in 10th grade, 15 1/2 years old, with slightly below average grades. I now work at a blockbuster for $10.25/hr. I'm sure since you're undoubtable older and have a prettier resume, you can get higher without engaging in immoral activity. I used to work at my mom's office fixing up their computers for $20/hr, for a couple weeks. Not that I'm asking you. That's your business. I just think the world would be a better place if all telemarketers quit their jobs.
^------- 16. 10th grade. Slightly above average grades.
Dover I just think the world would be a better place if all telemarketers quit their jobs. They don't make the world a "worse" place. They're simply doing their jobs. Blame the companies for marketing, not the people making an honest living.
xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 14:53 ^------- 16. 10th grade. Slightly above average grades. ...No shit? What company?
j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 15:02 They don't make the world a "worse" place. They're simply doing their jobs. Blame the companies for marketing, not the people making an honest living. Who are these "companies" I should be blaming? A company isn't a person, it's a collection of people, in this case, telemarketers.
Dover wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 15:40 j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 15:02 They don't make the world a "worse" place. They're simply doing their jobs. Blame the companies for marketing, not the people making an honest living. Who are these "companies" I should be blaming? A company isn't a person, it's a collection of people, in this case, telemarketers. A company can exist without labor. It won't survive without labor, but it can exist without labor. Therefore, labor does not equal a company.
j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 14:43 A company can exist without labor. It won't survive without labor, but it can exist without labor. Therefore, labor does not equal a company. If you could explain how it could exist without surviving? Besides, if it doesn't survive, my troubles are done. Edit: What the hell are you talking to about this for?
Dover wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 15:49 j_ball430 wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 14:43 A company can exist without labor. It won't survive without labor, but it can exist without labor. Therefore, labor does not equal a company. If you could explain how it could exist without surviving? Besides, if it doesn't survive, my troubles are done. Edit: What the hell are you talking to about this for? The company can exist on paper. It won't survive for long as the purpose of a company is to make profit, so it won't last long, but it does have the ability to exist. I'm just saying that workers don't equal a company. A lot more makes up a company than just the labor. Therefore, you can't consider telemarketers as the companies themselves as you attempted to do.
Dover wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 15:38 xptek wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 14:53 ^------- 16. 10th grade. Slightly above average grades. ...No shit? What company? AOL/Time Warner. (Read: The Devil) http://xptek.shackspace.com/new_script.JPG 'nuff said.
Sorry, I had to.
So this is a thread about what I do to sales people on the phone, and I shall contribute! Usually, I check the caller ID to see if the caller is "unknown", "out of area", or something else, I usually let it ring. If, by the off chance that I do answer, they ask for my dad. I politely tell him he's not around at the moment. They'll ask for another time that they could call, and I pull a random plausible time that I know my dad won't be around to answer. We exchange goodbyes, and it's done. And so we can see we can avoid telemarketers while not coming off as a jerk.
"they don't live here anymore" "i'm house sitting for a few weeks" Wonder how those would work.
After reading two more pages of banter, one question lingers on.. If the telemarketers don't give one shit that they're bothering the people they call, why should the people they call give one shit if the telemarketer likes/dislikes how they respond? If you can call us whenever you feel like it, it only sounds reasonable that we converse however we feel like it.. then we all go our seperate ways. Why try and insist that you're "just doing your job, and consumers don't need to get so upset", when in the same breath you're telling us you don't give a shit if we like you calling or not.
msgtpain wrote on Thu, 30 March 2006 18:57 After reading two more pages of banter, one question lingers on.. If the telemarketers don't give one shit that they're bothering the people they call, why should the people they call give one shit if the telemarketer likes/dislikes how they respond? If you can call us whenever you feel like it, it only sounds reasonable that we converse however we feel like it.. then we all go our seperate ways. Why try and insist that you're "just doing your job, and consumers don't need to get so upset", when in the same breath you're telling us you don't give a shit if we like you calling or not. If someone is genuinely upset, I do care, and I'll apologize and remove them from the list. But, more often than not you get people being complete assholes, and I generally treat them as such. Quote: http://image03.webshots.com/3/7/73/97/13177397GNRDGEjbLa_ph. jpg Sorry, I had to. Haha, I think I'd snap if I was on support. Those poor people look like zombies.