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This about getting kicked for saying bad words in game. I'd just like to know the community's real opinion behind kicking people for swearing in a violent video game. In my opinion, one shouldn't be kicked for swearing in a violent video game. Renegade is a violent video game, as you constantly kill & destroy people and buildings or vehicles, and well, according to the law killing is a much greater offence than swearing. If I was to get mad while playing Renegade, it'd be because somebody killed me, not because someone swore at me. I just don't understand how server owners promote violence (I say this because if they didn't promote violence they wouldn't have servers up to give people access to virtual killings), and are entirely against swearing. If you can virtually kill someone, why can't you virtually swear at someone? And not only that, most Internet games are rated T for Teen, right? If you were to have a certain rule in your server (like if you swear you get kicked) because there's a chance that a little kid is playing the game, well, that isn't your responsibility. An 8 year old technically isn't even allowed to play the game so it's safe to assume that everybody in your server is okay with swearing. Anyways, let's face it, swearing is part of every teen's vocabulary, and this community is made up of teens for the most part. So, what do you guys think? Should you be able to virtually kill and virtually swear, or virtually kill and not virtually swear?
Re: Server owners, or servers in general...
It's up to the server operator. If they don't want you doing something, you have no right to complain- you don't have to play in their server if you don't care for the rules.
Swearing has nothing to do with Violence. It's quite simple to have one without the other. I'm one that fully supports servers that deal with foul language. If you don't like that you get kicked for swearing, the answer is simple. Don't swear. It's not as hard as you think. And before you claim something along the lines of preaching what you say, I'm 23 and have never uttered a single "swear word".
I am a server owner and I fully allow swearing on my server. The only line I draw is when someone is being brutally abusive towards someone and most racial slurs are not appropriate either. It seems to me that most servers that kick you for swearing are either run by people with kids or the server owners are control freaks who have no real reason for it, they just like kicking people. There are probably exceptions to this.
Swearing is allowed to a point on our servers, as long as it doesnt get abusive or excessive. We do try to keep it to a minimum due to the fact that younger kids do play this game, but for the most part I think server owners allow it as long as it doesnt get out of hand.
I've always been of the opinion that if you kick people from a server for swearing, you are a dink.
I kick for swearing, I reserve the right to have fun without having some n00b cursing me during a game.
I think UNRULES are a PERFECT example of no swear tightasses in this community, they have dumbass rules(like no swearing), moderators that can get away with just about anything, and their servers lag like fuck, so to me, they are the worst part of the ren community
I fully agree with Crimson on this one. I usually only do something about it when arguments get out of hand. And I hate overmoderated servers.
It was pretty hard to do but we successfully instored the no swearing and English only rule and guess what: there is no more swearing by anyone that has been in the server before. And you can't imagine what a delight it is to play in such an envirronment. We also have a swearbot which first warns, then qkicks and even goes over to a kick when you swear multiple times. It helps giving the moderators spending less time on moderating. I should also note that we have almost 24/7 mods in-game or in irc. It's important to first warn people so they actually know they cannot swear. It's also in the !rules and even in the MOTD. There is in no way promoting violence in Renegade. You don't murder people, you make frags. It is so little realistic that you can hardly even compare it to real life violence. People, and especially teenagers, need to know that the Internet or an online game envirronment is not an anarchic place where you can do about everything that your parents wouldn't allow you to do. That includes swearing, insulting, being a dickhead, ... I also notice that I avoid playing in servers where swearing is allowed because it annoys me a lot now that i'm used playing without it. We also notice that we seem to attract a more mature public with often elder players who come to our server because of this rule. These players generally also care more about being friendly and about teamwork so a nice side effect is that we actually get better games. So I all encourage you guys to NOT instore the no swearing rule. That way, we keep this in our eyes advantage over other servers. The fact that players still think that they can complain about rules makes me laugh a bit. They have no clue what we pay to get this servers for them to play in. And there are enough servers out there. As to Crimson's remark: the fact you have kids does indeed influence the decision. The control freak-idea you outed seems stupid: it would mean that you need to be 24/7 in the game.
We only kick for swearing when it really gets out of hand. We don't like it, but we allow it. Though when it starts to effect the game, messures should be taken.
The way I look at it is I'm not your mommy. If mommy doesn't want you to read swearing then she can handle that. I'm not going to nor should I have to.
HerrKealf wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 03:31 We only kick for swearing when it really gets out of hand. We don't like it, but we allow it. Though when it starts to effect the game, messures should be taken. On Jelly people can swear all they like, if they continually direct abuse at players and it gets excessive, then they will probably get a boot, or at least a warning. Any racist comments/abuse will get you banned instantly.
mrpirate wrote on Tue, 14 March 2006 23:06 I've always been of the opinion that if you kick people from a server for swearing, you are a dink.
If you're offended by "swear words", you should really ask yourself why that is. In particular why you would discriminate against particular words that do usually have a valid meaning other than to simply offend people. "Shit" is the same as "excrement", for example. It's ridiculous when you think about it, that for the sake of example, a person could go onto a server and state "I stood in some shit this morning" and be immediately kicked by one of the more eager admins, yet a similar statement using a word not deemed a "swear" would suffer no penalty. Also, practically all swear words can be used to express frustration, which is a healthy thing to do... you get it out and you move on. The thing is, a swear word used in that context would essentially mean the same as let's say "fiddlesticks". So if you kick someone from a server for typing "fuck" in frustration, but not "fiddlesticks", you're arbitrarily deciding that one word is wrong, even though they have the same meaning. It's stupid when you think about it. Personally, I'm all for people being punished for abusing other users on the internet, but every single word there is can be used with the intention of offending others. By the same token, all words can be used without that intention. The only rule that's necessary is one to punish people who deliberately try to insult other people... and I think that's generally obvious by the context. If some people insist on being offended by a particular word itself, regardless of how it was used, the they are the one with a problem. These people are blindly following a code of conduct that outlaws certain words for reasons that they don't understand... they just follow. It's pretty much the same as religion actually, so any server that outlaws swear words might as well go ahead and enforce the religious beliefs of their choice on everyone that plays there.
warranto wrote on Tue, 14 March 2006 23:19 Swearing has nothing to do with Violence. It's quite simple to have one without the other. I'm one that fully supports servers that deal with foul language. If you don't like that you get kicked for swearing, the answer is simple. Don't swear. It's not as hard as you think. And before you claim something along the lines of preaching what you say, I'm 23 and have never uttered a single "swear word". you're 23 and playing video games, you probably don't even remember how the sun looks like, let alone what swear words are and light lol, i think you need to rethink the definition of a n00b, as u are one urself =/
Like this guy who started the topic, ban him for being a dipshit, not for swearing.
$c0p3 wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 14:22 warranto wrote on Tue, 14 March 2006 23:19 Swearing has nothing to do with Violence. It's quite simple to have one without the other. I'm one that fully supports servers that deal with foul language. If you don't like that you get kicked for swearing, the answer is simple. Don't swear. It's not as hard as you think. And before you claim something along the lines of preaching what you say, I'm 23 and have never uttered a single "swear word". you're 23 and playing video games, you probably don't even remember how the sun looks like, let alone what swear words are and light lol, i think you need to rethink the definition of a n00b, as u are one urself =/ Warranto>dog shit>you. PS. I'm with mrpirate on this.
I'm with m1a1_abrams on this one. They're just words and anyone who gets all butt-hurt about them is a "dink" as you say.
Wtf, someone hang him ($c0p3/mouthwashingliquid)
$c0p3 wrote on Tue, 14 March 2006 21:18 In my opinion, one shouldn't be kicked for swearing in a violent video game. You aren't in a war zone with your best friends dying around you every day. Not swearing is simply respect. Kids play this game every day. Its not an extremely gory game by any measure compared to whats out now. You shouldn't have to swear to express yourself while playing a game. Thats just disrespectful. Ultimately its the server owners decision. If they don't want you swearing on there server then don't. You are using their servers for free. Atleast you can respect their requests and fellow gamers.
$c0p3 you come here asking peoples opinions then your mad cuz they give them? Thats kind of stupid, if you dont want peoples opinions then dont talk on the forums. Quote: you're 23 and playing video games, you probably don't even remember how the sun looks like, let alone what swear words are Im 24, I know what the sun looks like, I have a full time job and a family. So you talk trash about a person becuase they play video games, doesnt say much for yourself does it?
Yes, children play this game. They shouldn't be playing it, anyway, since the game is rated for 14 year old teenagers or older. If you're a server owner who has kids and lets them play this game, you're probably a bad parent. Don't go forcing your shitty parenting skills on the rest of us because you can't fucking use ESRB ratings, that's why the motherfucking ratings exist you dumb fuckers. And yes I'm being fucking abusive, and fucking swearing too much, deal with it you shitheads.
What's funny is that people bitch about the fucking swearing, and don't turn on the damn language filter.
DJM wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 10:12 $c0p3 wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 14:22 warranto wrote on Tue, 14 March 2006 23:19 Swearing has nothing to do with Violence. It's quite simple to have one without the other. I'm one that fully supports servers that deal with foul language. If you don't like that you get kicked for swearing, the answer is simple. Don't swear. It's not as hard as you think. And before you claim something along the lines of preaching what you say, I'm 23 and have never uttered a single "swear word". you're 23 and playing video games, you probably don't even remember how the sun looks like, let alone what swear words are and light lol, i think you need to rethink the definition of a n00b, as u are one urself =/ Warranto>dog shit>you. PS. I'm with mrpirate on this. oh then you're with me as well, as my arguements were originally brought up by mrp quite a long time ago. and w/e jschultz9. i'm going to go off-topic here for a sec.. has you/your server ever played a clan named LoD? Anyways ACK, I've only heard negative things about you, but your comment was teh <3
$c0p3 wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 15:14 and light lol, i think you need to rethink the definition of a n00b, as u are one urself =/ You asked a question, I answered it. If you don't agree with my answer thats not my concern, nor will insulting me do anything more than prove your lack of maturity.
LACK OF MATURITY? I'LL GIVE HIM A LITTLE CREDIT, HE CAN READ THE ESRB RATING AND UNDERSTAND IT UNLIKE YOU. WHY DON'T YOU GO AND ACTUALLY BE MATURE BY NOT FORCING YOUR SHITTY OPINION OF "NO SWEARING" UPON FAIR NETIZENS THAT ONLY WISH TO VENT THEIR ANGER IN-GAME? YOU'D BE DOING MORE SERVICE IN THE RUNNING OF YOUR SERVER THAN YOU PROBABLY HAVE LATELY.
Is it that hard to not play in a server where vulger isn't allowed? Seriously, if you want to swear join a server where it isn't against the rules(like Crimsons). Otherwise expect to be banned. That simply really. No point to bitch about getting banned for not following the rules. That the main point. You don't follow the servers rules and you get banned. If some server owner had a rule, no nicknames with any form of "urmom" in it are allowed then you would have to follow that. Otherwise you risk being kicked/banned.
IS IT THAT HARD TO JUST FUCKING DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT THIS GAME IS TEEN RATED, AND AS SUCH YOU'RE AN IDIOT FOR MODERATING WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE CAN SWEAR? RENEGADE, SO FAR, HAS TAUGHT US: IT'S OKAY TO BLOW SOMEONE'S HEAD OFF WITH A GIANT BLUE BEAM CANNON THAT WOULD RIP THEIR HEAD OPEN AND SPLATTER THEIR BRAINS EVERYWHERE. IT'S OKAY TO RUN OVER PEOPLE WITH VEHICLES, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ENEMY. IT'S OKAY TO SWEAR, BECAUSE HAVOC SWEARS IN A VIDEO. IT'S NOT OKAY TO MODERATE SWEARING. YOUR OPINION IS WRONG.
Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 22:16 IT'S NOT OKAY TO MODERATE SWEARING. YOUR OPINION IS WRONG. The server owners lease the server and have rights to it. They can run it however they want.
genetix wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 22:43 Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 22:16 IT'S NOT OKAY TO MODERATE SWEARING. YOUR OPINION IS WRONG. The server owners lease the server and have rights to it. They can run it however they want. Sniper_De7 wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 22:50 That doesn't make it right, does it? It does in fact.
How so? If a server owner abuses his powers and !kills people to steal vehicles, that isn't right. He might be able to do it, but it doesn't make it right.
Sniper_De7 wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 22:50 That doesn't make it right, does it? It doesn't matter if it is or isn't. Its the server owners decision bottom line. Nothing anyone can do about it. If you don't like it don't play on that particular server. Hows that so confusing/hard to accept? I'm an administrator for a BF2 64 player ranked server. We promote a semi swear free community and everyone loves it. Sure we aren't really strict on swearing but we get a lot of compliments about it. You would be amazed at how many people under the age of 15 play war games. I simply consider it respect. Probably why last time I check our BF2 server was ranked in the top 5. If you want to swear play in a server that doesn't have a no swearing rule. Its that simple. Not like theres a shortage of servers to play on
Fuck off you overprotective, rule crazy assholes. If your idea of having fun is an addition rule to follow, then fine. You are now, in my books, a douchebag. And I will continue, given the opportunity, to voice my opinion. Why is that so confusing/hard to understand? I hope you all fucking choke.
genetix wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 00:02 If you want to swear play in a server that doesn't have a no swearing rule. Its that simple. Not like theres a shortage of servers to play on That point has been said before, and I quite agree.
Aircraftkiller wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 23:16 IS IT THAT HARD TO JUST FUCKING DEAL WITH THE FACT THAT THIS GAME IS TEEN RATED, AND AS SUCH YOU'RE AN IDIOT FOR MODERATING WHETHER OR NOT PEOPLE CAN SWEAR? RENEGADE, SO FAR, HAS TAUGHT US: IT'S OKAY TO BLOW SOMEONE'S HEAD OFF WITH A GIANT BLUE BEAM CANNON THAT WOULD RIP THEIR HEAD OPEN AND SPLATTER THEIR BRAINS EVERYWHERE. IT'S OKAY TO RUN OVER PEOPLE WITH VEHICLES, BECAUSE THEY'RE THE ENEMY. IT'S OKAY TO SWEAR, BECAUSE HAVOC SWEARS IN A VIDEO. IT'S NOT OKAY TO MODERATE SWEARING. YOUR OPINION IS WRONG. Er... Is your caps lock broken? Seriously, I've seen two posts in all caps by you, it's very unlike you.
mrpirate wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 00:11 Fuck off you overprotective, rule crazy assholes. If your idea of having fun is an addition rule to follow, then fine. You are now, in my books, a douchebag. And I will continue, given the opportunity, to voice my opinion. Why is that so confusing/hard to understand? I hope you all fucking choke. *throws Mr Pirate a cookie* Now calm down, boy or no more cookies for you.
I will always whole-heartedly stand by a server owner's right to run their server however the hell they want to (so long as their way doesn't infringe on any applicable laws). That said, I will continue to allow swearing. I'm glad this topic came up so curious gamers will have a better idea of which servers to visit to fulfill their desire to swear or to be around people who can't/don't swear.
Heh I remember playing in the "Men of God" servers, and their swear filter was to the extreme. You couldn't even say "An APC is coming over the bridge!" without being kicked.
TBH, I don't care whether children play this game - it's their parents job to allow or not allow it, not ours. If parents decide to let their kids play rene, they should choose a server, where their kids don't get insulted. But those server/rules were not made for under-aged in first place! Can't you imagine, that permanently swearing is just annoying? Wy do ppl need to say "fucking crap" instead of just "crap" "what the fuck / wtf" instead of "what?"... I don't care, how you are used to talk to pll in RL or on-line. You think, your words aren't important enough, that you need to up-value them with colorful swearing? - Thats your decision, your manners and thats how you grow up. I don't care about your swearing, as long as I don't have to listen to it. As said above, just play in another sandpit. There are enough good player on-line, who don't need to swear!
genetix wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 23:02 I'm an administrator for a BF2 64 player ranked server. We promote a semi swear free community and everyone loves it. Sure we aren't really strict on swearing but we get a lot of compliments about it. You would be amazed at how many people under the age of 15 play war games. I simply consider it respect. Probably why last time I check our BF2 server was ranked in the top 5. You basically just said that your server allows swearing and the people adore you for it. I mean every server that allows semi swearing (as you call it, I mean most or all that I've ever been that allows swearing, doesn't allow anything too extreme - How many people have I seen go beyond that point and get kicked? None what-so-ever that I can recall. That said, obviously people don't really ever get out of hand. It's just a senseless rule to have, and that's the argument here. If all servers had no swearing would you say to quit the game? If you're going to argue, at least argue whether or not it's a senseless rule. As far as I can tell, no one really ever abuses it to the level of absurdity. The game is meant for teens, meaning by this age, children would have and are comfortable around swear words and violence (this is where parenting comes in and teaching your children about violence) We all already know server owners get to do what they want. If they want to be asshats and ban/kick people who are better than them, then that's their perogative. None of this makes something right. So if you're going to argue that a server owner can do whatever he wants with his server, it holds no bearing on making it right. It's just forcing his opinion to everyone else. Trying to ban swearing is a futile attempt to rid seeing swearing elsewhere. You'll find it in school (in case where you missed the last 6+ grades of your school, kids are using swear words) You'll find it in the street. You'll find swearing practically everywhere, and trying helplessly to avoid it is not the solution. it's not like servers with no swearing ever not see swearing. You'll still see people swear so that throws the whole "my kid plays this game" Because people either. A) Don't know the rules. B) Don't give a damn about rules they believe are pointless C) Purposely break rules Banning swearing, is like banning alcohol in that there's still going to be people who swear, and there always will be. If you really don't want your child to see swearing.. you should really not let them play games online. That makes more sense to me than any other solution.
I agree! Like I got warned by a bot in the Storm server for saying wtf Its sooo stupid, and I havent played ther ever since, many people say the same thing.
Sniper_De7 wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 09:42 Banning swearing, is like banning alcohol in that there's still going to be people who swear, and there always will be. If you really don't want your child to see swearing.. you should really not let them play games online. That makes more sense to me than any other solution. If a country lets say the US, were to ban alcohol. It would because the effect on your body it has is similar to some illegal drugs. They would only be banning it for your benifit. Thats not my point though. Lets say we were to ban alchohol. Are you saying you would still get alchol even if it was illegal and drink it? If thats the case. Your an alcholholic. From my experiance bad language and drinking are usually hanging out with eachother. Im not sure how you were raised but I know you probally grew up around drinking and swearing possibly? Swearing: There is no need for it, especially in video games. I know that some kids are bad and swear themselves. They think there so cool when they do. They pick it up from so called "adults" who swears in game. Kids swear in game alot more than they do in RL because they can get away with it. Similar with adults, its not cool realy. I happen to like servers with no swearing policies. It shows that at least some people care for the youth. Here where I live you can be 13 and play this game. I don't know about you but I didn't swear when I was 13. When I was 13 and I was aruound swearing my other 13 y\o cousin would say "lets get out of this nonsense swearing". Its completly fine if you let your kids play this game, but as long as there of legal age. But just because its okay for them to play doesn't mean its okay for them to be around swearing. Those who think its okay to swear in a game when they know there are young teens in it, show no respect and think about nobody but themselves. Its perfectly ok for a server owner to ban swearing. Its his server and its his choice. There is nothing wrong with a little censorship, especially when whether it exists or not could affect our youth.
What is so wrong about kids swearing and why is it so important to protect them from it? I'm an adult and I swear, but it's never hurt me. It didn't turn me into a criminal and I don't do drugs, LOL. I don't understand what you think is going to happen to kids if they see people swearing on a computer game. I mean, can't you distinguish between words and "being a bad person"? It's one thing if you just hold the belief that certain words are always wrong for no reason... not that it's sensible or anything, it's just lots of people have these group-reinforcing beliefs that they picked up from authority figures in their childhood... but to try to link words with kids turning into bad people is just stupid. You haven't given any reason why, you just said that kids who swear are "bad". Also... what's with the respect thing. Like people who swear don't have respect for other people? Well, you can swear without intending to hurt other people... if you insist on being hurt then it's your problem, as long as the other person has made it clear that he/she isn't intending it that way. I mean, if you feel you should be able to stop other people exercising their own beliefs that you find offensive, even though they are not intended to be, then I suppose you would find it perfectly reasonable for say an extremist Muslim to expect all the Christians in the world to stop being overtly Christian, or whatever. These extremists do find other beliefs offensive, so I guess all the other non-Muslims are being disrespectful by continuing to offend? Do you get my point? Your arguments for certain words being "wrong" are only leant credibility by their age, because "swear words" have been around for a long time. Think outside the box of your upbringing for a moment and you will see that it's nonsense.
Quote: Lets say we were to ban alchohol. Are you saying you would still get alchol even if it was illegal and drink it? If thats the case. Your an alcholholic. Let's just stop here since after what I say all of that will become null and void. If you use weed are you a weed addict? Just because it becomes illegal doesn't mean you have problems. Not that I was bringing up drinking for this. I brought it up because it's similar in that, when there was a prohibition for alcohol, people sold and drank alcohol, even though it was illegal. Similarily, people on a no-swearing server do let out swear words. Quote: Swearing: There is no need for it, especially in video games. There's no *need* for a lot of things. How this figures in, you can explain to me. I don't see anythign wrong with dying and saying, "fuck" after you did something stupid and died for it. You're expressing it using a swear word. I don't feel I'm a e-badass that gets his jollies from saying it. I don't think anyone really feels they're "cool" for swearing. I've heard that so many times and it makes me sick. I've never, once, in my entire life so far, ever thought that swearing suddenly makes me cool and awesome. Quote: They pick it up from so called "adults" who swears in game. Swearing from "adults" never influenced me to swear. Quote: Kids swear in game alot more than they do in RL because they can get away with it. Kid's swear all the time. Maybe not around their parents, but they do. They get away with it a lot. I'd bargain that it's way more than servers on renegade Quote: I happen to like servers with no swearing policies. It shows that at least some people care for the youth. Here where I live you can be 13 and play this game. I don't know about you but I didn't swear when I was 13. When I was 13 and I was aruound swearing my other 13 y\o cousin would say "lets get out of this nonsense swearing". Its completly fine if you let your kids play this game, but as long as there of legal age. But just because its okay for them to play doesn't mean its okay for them to be around swearing. If a person would have asked me when I was 13 if it was OK to allow teen rated violence (swearing, blood, etc) in a teen-rated game. I would have said it was perfectly normal. and yes, it does mean its okay for a teenager to be around swearing if you buy them a game that is teen rated and the teen is of legal age. Violence and swearing go hand in hand. If your kid is able to accept people blowing eachother's heads off, the rating system also accepts that they are able to accept bad language. TEEN = SWEARING/VIOLENCE not FLUFFY BUNNIES WITH PINK HATS. Quote: Those who think its okay to swear in a game when they know there are young teens in it, show no respect and think about nobody but themselves. No... I assume any person who has renegade is capable to withstand bad language when the soul purpose of the game is killing the enemy by any means necessary. This includes shooting their face with tank shells and other various weapons. This is a safe assumption because either A.) They are a teen and bought the game. B.) Their parents think their children is capable of distinguishing a virtual world to a real world and bought them the game so they can enjoy it(knowing full well that there would be violence in it) Quote: Its perfectly ok for a server owner to ban swearing. Its his server and its his choice. owning a server does not make it right to do things that are wrong. Thus, abusing the powers capable (this includes setting senseless rules, letting cheaters roam free if they so wish to desire, or using the !kill command or other various wrong acts. Just because they own the server none of this makes it right. Sure, they can do it, which I've already stated and has been stated so many times, but it does not make it OK. Quote: There is nothing wrong with a little censorship, (a little?) especially when whether it exists or not could affect our youth. Like I said, if you really think a teenager can't accept the fact that violent games have swearing. then violent games are not suitable for that teenager. Online swearing means a lot less when you hear it at your school and your friends are saying it. The fact that someone might call me an asshole and he lives xxxx miles away from me, means so little to me. Now, have a person coming up to you when you're 10 years old and some kid comes on the playground and calls you it - it'll mean a lot more.
Generally a "so-and-so, please chill out" is enough to get someone to stop who's being overly abusive, but we have definitely kicked people who go crazy with it.
even if mrp is wrong, he's right. whatever he says we must follow, therefore he's right and everyone else here is wrong.
Sniper_De7 wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 12:08 There's no *need* for a lot of things. How this figures in, you can explain to me. I don't see anythign wrong with dying and saying, "fuck" after you did something stupid and died for it. You're expressing it using a swear word. I don't feel I'm a e-badass that gets his jollies from saying it. I don't think anyone really feels they're "cool" for swearing. I've heard that so many times and it makes me sick. I've never, once, in my entire life so far, ever thought that swearing suddenly makes me cool and awesome. Then why do you take the time to “type” it ensure that everyone else on the server knows that you wanted to swear right then? If you die, yell fuck at your monitor and keep playing, if you type it out.. it’s because the actual frustration you are feeling just doesn’t seem validated unless you share it with everyone else. Sniper_De7 wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 12:08 Kid's swear all the time. Maybe not around their parents, but they do. They get away with it a lot. I'd bargain that it's way more than servers on renegade They usually don’t swear around their parents, because no matter how much you would like to argue it, swearing truly is offensive to most people. Their parents know that and have taught them that it is inappropriate to swear in front of others, especially others that you don’t know or who aren’t close friends. I’m a parent, and most of my other admins were/are parents whos kids actually sat down beside them and played the game for fun. WE decided (as parents) that we were going to BE parents and make sure OUR kids were not overly influenced or unnecessarily exposed to swearing. And, because it was OUR server that YOU were all guests on, that’s our right.. We didn’t make you play there, and we sure as hell weren’t trying to force our values on YOU. Sniper_De7 wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 12:08 Violence and swearing go hand in hand. If your kid is able to accept people blowing each other's heads off, the rating system also accepts that they are able to accept bad language. TEEN = SWEARING/VIOLENCE not FLUFFY BUNNIES WITH PINK HATS. In my opinion, that’s a cop-out. Violence and swearing do not go hand-in-hand. If you’re a violent person, you probably swear, but if you swear, you are not most likely violent. Someone that learns it’s “okay” to swear at leisure, will most likely simulate that behavior in the world. If everyone around them swears, it will become second nature. You can’t say the same about “blowing someone’s head off”… Simulated, animated violence is taken at face value; I don’t know too many people who play that are offended or have their behavior molded because of it. Can you say the same about having people tell you to “fuck off, asshole”. The violence is a part of the game, the swearing is a direct character attack and actually CREATES true hostility and possibly REAL violence. Sniper_De7 wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 12:08 owning a server does not make it right to do things that are wrong. Thus, abusing the powers capable (this includes setting senseless rules, letting cheaters roam free if they so wish to desire, or using the !kill command or other various wrong acts. Just because they own the server none of this makes it right. Sure, they can do it, which I've already stated and has been stated so many times, but it does not make it OK. Are we talking about an opinion here? Because, for something to be factually wrong, there must be some sort of basis, writing, guide, etc., of which we can all refer to. Do you have that “guide” which states the powers of a server owner do not include limiting swearing on their server? I didn’t think so.
My son likesto play and its always a plus to have a good server to go to with proper player conduct...to these servers, I thank. as for Scope, you dont seem to grasp the whole theory on why things are meant this way...prehaps maybe you should think about it before you type a post about it.....infact you should just lay off the typing all together....as it gets you into so much trouble.
This is the internet, i'll do and say whatever the hell I want to, as should everyone else. If you don't like it, go outside. Also violence is a much greater influence than swearing. Personally when I swear or express any anger I feel better after. I have no problem with anyone expressing how they feel or their opinion, especially on the net.
Hey Pain, why don't you address some of the points I made
Homey wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 02:59 This is the internet, i'll do and say whatever the hell I want to, as should everyone else. If you don't like it, go outside. Also violence is a much greater influence than swearing. Personally when I swear or express any anger I feel better after. I have no problem with anyone expressing how they feel or their opinion, especially on the net. People like you are the reason why such rules have to be instored. Idiot.
Goztow wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 12:08 Homey wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 02:59 This is the internet, i'll do and say whatever the hell I want to, as should everyone else. If you don't like it, go outside. Also violence is a much greater influence than swearing. Personally when I swear or express any anger I feel better after. I have no problem with anyone expressing how they feel or their opinion, especially on the net. People like you are the reason why such rules have to be instored. Idiot. I didn't actually think it was possible for you to post any more sensless rubbish. Your fingers would appear to not only do your typing but your thinking aswell. Please for the love of Christ disconnect your computer from the Internet.
Sniper_De7 wrote on Fri, 17 March 2006 08:42 genetix wrote on Thu, 16 March 2006 23:02 I'm an administrator for a BF2 64 player ranked server. We promote a semi swear free community and everyone loves it. Sure we aren't really strict on swearing but we get a lot of compliments about it. You would be amazed at how many people under the age of 15 play war games. I simply consider it respect. Probably why last time I check our BF2 server was ranked in the top 5. You basically just said that your server allows swearing and the people adore you for it. I mean every server that allows semi swearing (as you call it, I mean most or all that I've ever been that allows swearing, doesn't allow anything too extreme - How many people have I seen go beyond that point and get kicked? None what-so-ever that I can recall. That said, obviously people don't really ever get out of hand. It's just a senseless rule to have, and that's the argument here. If all servers had no swearing would you say to quit the game? If you're going to argue, at least argue whether or not it's a senseless rule. As far as I can tell, no one really ever abuses it to the level of absurdity. The game is meant for teens, meaning by this age, children would have and are comfortable around swear words and violence (this is where parenting comes in and teaching your children about violence) We all already know server owners get to do what they want. If they want to be asshats and ban/kick people who are better than them, then that's their perogative. None of this makes something right. So if you're going to argue that a server owner can do whatever he wants with his server, it holds no bearing on making it right. It's just forcing his opinion to everyone else. Trying to ban swearing is a futile attempt to rid seeing swearing elsewhere. You'll find it in school (in case where you missed the last 6+ grades of your school, kids are using swear words) You'll find it in the street. You'll find swearing practically everywhere, and trying helplessly to avoid it is not the solution. it's not like servers with no swearing ever not see swearing. You'll still see people swear so that throws the whole "my kid plays this game" Because people either. A) Don't know the rules. B) Don't give a damn about rules they believe are pointless C) Purposely break rules Banning swearing, is like banning alcohol in that there's still going to be people who swear, and there always will be. If you really don't want your child to see swearing.. you should really not let them play games online. That makes more sense to me than any other solution. Let me clear that up even though it was posted a while ago. The reason people are happy is because we don't allow obvious swears like "Fuck" We do allow things like "WTF" Why? How many little kids know what "WTF" means? Its a lot less harsh and obvious then actually swearing. Plus its annoying when all you see in the public chat menu is people lipin off. I personally enforce it because its a sign of respect. You shouldn't need to swear. I normally let symbolized stuff go because younger audiences don't understand a lot of the terms yet. Thats why I get compliments about our server. Lots of the better BF2 players like it aswell. Its more fun when people aren't lipin off left right and center.
Like I said, what's this respect thing about? Can you explain why it's disrespectful for someone to stand by what they believe (while not intending any harm), rather than just behave how you want them to? It is of course the right of server owners to enforce their beliefs on players just because they want to, but this suggestion that "swear words" themselves are inherently bad and wrong is annoying. If you believe that a particular group of letters placed together is evil or something, then you can provide me with real world evidence for why that is? Otherwise it's very similar to a religious belief, hence my earlier example about an extremist Mulsim expecting all non-Muslims to conform to his ideals because he finds anything else offensive.
m1a1_abrams wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 12:41 It is of course the right of server owners to enforce their beliefs on players just because they want to, but this suggestion that "swear words" themselves are inherently bad and wrong is annoying. If you believe that a particular group of letters placed together is evil or something, then you can provide me with real world evidence for why that is? Otherwise it's very similar to a religious belief, hence my earlier example about an extremist Mulsim expecting all non-Muslims to conform to his ideals because he finds anything else offensive. This can easily be summed up with a little exercise: Next time you are talking to your mom, boss, grandma, teacher, aunt, blah, blah blah... Please have a mic ready then tell them to "Fuck off" in a non-joking, angry voice... then, post the capture wave file of your words and their reaction for us all to hear. If you're not willing to, for each and every one above; why is that?
I'm not really willing to run over my family with a Mammoth Tank just to capture their reaction for an experiment, but that doesn't really invalidate anyone's point here.
Aircraftkiller wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 13:19 I'm not really willing to run over my family with a Mammoth Tank just to capture their reaction for an experiment, but that doesn't really invalidate anyone's point here. My mistake, I was under the impression we were talking about real-world scenarios.. When you get a hold of a mammoth tank, give me a buzz... However, it actually does invalidate the point.. If you're not willing to do it because of the "harm" or "effect" that it will cause, then you intentionally DO NOT do something because of how it will affect others. Swearing is no different. If it's "Just a word", then why is it so important to use "those" words? blueberry is a word too; I don't see you calling everyone blueberries.
So your argument is that we're bound to server regulations (Although you allowed swearing en-masse a long time ago when the Pits first started, just as an interesting note) of no-swearing and that the action itself is wrong. I think where you and I (And pretty much everyone arguing for swearing as much as they fucking like) disagree here is that the action of swearing is no different than the action of killing a player in the game. For example, you believe swearing to be a harmful thing. To some people, sure... Maybe it is. I grew up around it, having learned how to say shit like that when I was eight years old. I suspect it's no different today. The people complaining about it tend to be rather old compared to current players (Speaking 35+ years) because they have children that play the game. Teen rating notwithstanding, that being covered already; I believe most of the ones complaining are just sensitive or have lost touch with what it was like to be younger and surrounded by words like that. They've been around for centuries now, spoken by almost any conceivable person in this country. I bet some baby has said "Fuck" as its first word, somewhere. As we all know, you're free to run your server any way you (you in general) wish. As this thread proves, we're free to whine, bitch and moan about how stupid we think your server's rules are. So back to my point, I don't see a difference between the action of killing a player in-game and swearing. Both are equally hostile actions. Would you raise a rifle to your family to prove this point? If not, explain why? Seems ridiculous, doesn't it?
msgtpain wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 13:12 This can easily be summed up with a little exercise: Next time you are talking to your mom, boss, grandma, teacher, aunt, blah, blah blah... Please have a mic ready then tell them to "Fuck off" in a non-joking, angry voice... then, post the capture wave file of your words and their reaction for us all to hear. If you're not willing to, for each and every one above; why is that? Hey man I think you missed the point. I thought I made it clear earlier in this thread that I'm not an anarchist who thinks people should be able to say anything without any consequences. I think it's wrong to deliberately insult other people, I just don't think that any given word is wrong no matter the context. I wouldn't tell a family member to "shut up" or "go away", nevermind "fuck off". The former pair of phrases mean can mean exactly the same thing, yet they aren't swear words... hence my opinion that the hurtful sentiment is the only thing wrong, not the word. I do swear in frustration around my parents and brothers btw, like if I stub my toe on something. That would be anything from "shit", "fuck", "bugger", "bastard"... or perhaps all of them combined if it *really* hurt I wouldn't swear around elderly relatives though, because even though I think they're misguided to object to my swearing, I expect they are past the point that I can reason with a belief they've been indoctrinated with for 70+ years. A boss or teacher? Well I think that's rather unfair since they have the power to terminate your employment or education. If they made it clear they didn't want me to swear then I wouldn't have a lot of choice in the matter would I? It would be nothing to do with saving their feelings... more like looking out for myself.
Ack, I do understand how you coorelate the two. However, my point is that they are actually seperate actions and can't simply be "lumped" together. When you go in to play the game, you know that you are entering a game where simulated killing is taking place. As you are playing, you kill other characters, and they kill you. When I play, I never feel like I "am" the person I'm playing.. When you kill me, it doesn't make me angry, pissed, or any other type of emotion to where I would want to do anything other than kill your character back. When you tell me to "fuck off", you are attacking me.. not my character. You have transitioned from the online game to a real-world conversation. You aren't telling Havoc to fuck off, you're telling the person controlling Havoc. When cussing transcends that boundary, in my opinion, it is unacceptable. While I think typing "shit" is pointless and childish, I certainly have never kicked for it. You may be warned by the bot, but he can't really detect tone or inflection, so you're punished by AI. If you wouldn't tell me to fuck off to my face, unless we of course were friends, and I knew it was an off-the-cuff remark, why do it in the game?
When I play in-game I interpret the other players as my friends who are playing a game. I will tell my friends to fuck off, and I'd even tell my grandma to fuck off if she fragged me in-game. And just for comparison, my server is full or close to it about 80% of the time and I allow swearing. To each his own but allowing swearing hasn't inhibited my server one bit.
The problem there lies with the ESRB rating of teen. Straight from the ESRB website: Command & Conquer Renegade Westwood Studios,Inc. PC Teen (13+) Blood,Violence With a rating of at least 13+, you're expecting to hear things like "You fucking asshole" and any variation of other attacks on people in-game. When I play a game like CounterStrike, I expect to see people being assholes to each other. Not only is it because of the reputation of CS players, but also because of the ESRB rating. The higher the rating, the more one can logically expect to find malevolent players that simply play to piss everyone off. So yes, I'll agree with you that it does go a bit far to just attack someone like that, but what difference does it make as to what words you use? A1 has the right idea here, it's the meaning behind them... Not the words themselves.
I disagree. the reason you chose the words you do is because of the power and impact behind them. As I stated in a previous post, which you ignored, you don't go around calling people "blueberries".. because there is no power behind that. Your intent is to be callous, and the only word colorful enough to express your true feelings are swear words; By arguing that they are "just words", you are defeating your own argument, blueberry is a word too.
Crimson wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 16:32 Oh shut up, you blueberry. ROFL!
That might be true for some people Pain, but some of us have just grown up in an environment where swearing out of frustration isn't taboo, so those words really don't have the extra venom behind them when said in that context. I say "shit" like someone else might say "darn".
DJM wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 09:30 Goztow wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 12:08 Homey wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 02:59 This is the internet, i'll do and say whatever the hell I want to, as should everyone else. If you don't like it, go outside. Also violence is a much greater influence than swearing. Personally when I swear or express any anger I feel better after. I have no problem with anyone expressing how they feel or their opinion, especially on the net. People like you are the reason why such rules have to be instored. Idiot. I didn't actually think it was possible for you to post any more sensless rubbish. Your fingers would appear to not only do your typing but your thinking aswell. Please for the love of Christ disconnect your computer from the Internet. Omg this guy told me to do something on the net, I better do it. Who gives a fuck?
Homey wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 23:42 DJM wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 09:30 Goztow wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 12:08 Homey wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 02:59 This is the internet, i'll do and say whatever the hell I want to, as should everyone else. If you don't like it, go outside. Also violence is a much greater influence than swearing. Personally when I swear or express any anger I feel better after. I have no problem with anyone expressing how they feel or their opinion, especially on the net. People like you are the reason why such rules have to be instored. Idiot. I didn't actually think it was possible for you to post any more sensless rubbish. Your fingers would appear to not only do your typing but your thinking aswell. Please for the love of Christ disconnect your computer from the Internet. Omg this guy told me to do something on the net, I better do it. Who gives a fuck? I was talking about Goztow. I agree with you fully on this matter.
DJM wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 18:51 Homey wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 23:42 DJM wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 09:30 Goztow wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 12:08 Homey wrote on Sat, 18 March 2006 02:59 This is the internet, i'll do and say whatever the hell I want to, as should everyone else. If you don't like it, go outside. Also violence is a much greater influence than swearing. Personally when I swear or express any anger I feel better after. I have no problem with anyone expressing how they feel or their opinion, especially on the net. People like you are the reason why such rules have to be instored. Idiot. I didn't actually think it was possible for you to post any more sensless rubbish. Your fingers would appear to not only do your typing but your thinking aswell. Please for the love of Christ disconnect your computer from the Internet. Omg this guy told me to do something on the net, I better do it. Who gives a fuck? I was talking about Goztow. I agree with you fully on this matter. Well then, my apologies. I still don't see why this is such a big deal, half the time when people say stuff I don't even know it appeared in the chatbox.
I don't really care about cussing. Sure, there are more original ways to insult someone, but if you have to cuss, have at it. You won't see me doing it, though. As far as being "attacked" by cussing, I don't care. It's just one less person to donate/rec/repair/generally agree with in the future. (Crim is an exception, though. I usually support administrators and their cadre unless they do something really offensive. Which she hasn't.) In the end, though, as far as I care, your language is between you and God.
Aircraftkiller wrote on Sat, 08 April 2006 07:22 Phase 9 = Dr Lithius Dr Lithius: *ph.ph.cox.net Phase 9: *atlaga.adelphia.net
Phase 9 wrote on Sat, 08 April 2006 00:11 In the end, though, as far as I care, your language is between you and God.
Dr. Lithius? My name is Berkut. Edit: Mr. Pirate, what was the purpose of quoting me? Did you agree or disagree? ...or was it sarcasm? Just curious...
Nobody thus far has mentioned that Renegade comes with a "Bad language filter". If you don't like the language, throw the filter on, and relax behind your veil of censorship. Don't infringe on other people's freedom of speech. And yes, it's freedom of speech, as cheesy as it sounds. I had this problem with a Call Of Duty server I used to play on. Their excuse was that young kids are playing on their servers. For those of you that don't know, Call Of Duty is a fairly violent WWII shooter. YOUNG KIDS HAVE NO BUSINESS PLAYING VIOLENT GAMES. IF YOU AS A PARENT ARE OKAY WITH YOUR KID WATCHING THE VIOLENCE BUT NOT THE LANGAUGE, DON'T LET HIM OR HER PLAY. If you think the answer is in servers with special rules like "No cussing", then you are a BAD PARENT AND A BAD PERSON. If you're a server owner and you kick/ban/heckle people for cussing, you're a BAD PERSON. If you don't like cussing, fine. Don't cuss. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT OVER WHAT OTHERS SAY OR DON'T SAY. "But it's my server!", you cry. People aren't cussing from your server, they're cussing from their own client machine. If you don't like cussing being recorded on your logs or whatever, edit the logs. A word is a word is a word, and cussing is no different. So why do people cuss? Because it's familiar and comfortable for them. It has nothing to do with the "power" of the word. People fail to realize that as much right as you do to not like cussing, other people have every right to run their mouth off. Consider this situation: You're in public with your kids when some people by you start cussing. What are you going to do? Warn them? Ban them? Call the police? The fact remains that you have no power over what other people do or say, so long as it falls withen legal limits, and cussing is WELL within legal limits. So again, what do you do? The answer is you walk away, because there's nothing else you can do. In conclusion; a big FUCK YOU to language-strict server owners. The fact is that I keep going back to Jelly and n00bstories is that they base running of their servers on COMMON SENSE, not on bible-thumper dogma.
that's the biggest load of shit that I've read in this thread... Sure if you're standing on a sidewalk, all you could do is engage in a war of words.. but are you trying to tell me that if you are swearing up a strom in MY restaurant, I have no right to tell you to knock it off or leave? You have no more rights in a server than you do in a restaurant or theater or bowling alley or public school.. If YOU don't want to follow the rules, you're welcome to leave... or be forced out. Your "right to free speech" is something that the government has promised you, not me.. THEY agree not to infringe on it, not me.. That's as far as your rights go, sorry.
Only need a one word response for that: Exactly.
Do I think that servers should have censoring? No, but that's not really my decision. Because the ESRB rating is Teen, I wouldn't restrict language on a server I hosted because I don't feel kids should be playing the game. However, that's my choice. What I decide is not what other server owners are going to decide. As for using swear to let out frustration... can't you say the word out loud? I mean, that way you keep your frustration private, and you're not making an ass out of yourself by disobeying rules set by a server.
Dover, I appreciate the sentiment, but you are wrong. As a server owner we are God in that little world. If you're using OUR bandwidth then we have EVERY right to kick you out for ANY reason. Even if we decide that no nicknames with the letter "w" can play that day -- it's our right. I still don't agree that it's right to censor language beyond what the built-in swear filter allows, but I'm not going to argue that other server owners don't have the right to, and I just decide NOT to play on servers that will kick me if I say "fuck" or "shit" or "damn". Sometimes my 10-year-old brother plays on my server but I just warned my mom ahead of time that he might be exposed to language if he plays there. And I know that if he starts behaving worse or swearing where he gets caught, that will be the end of his Renegade days.
Crimson allows swearing. I do not swear, nor do I enjoy listening to others, but... [EDIT: Sorry for flaming. UNrules server had ticked me off earlier.]. Sure, I have to press "k" when my parents walk by to hide the chat window, but I remain on Crim's server for this simple reason: Her server is better. EDIT: Removed spelling errors (most of them, anyway). EDIT: Nah. I went ahead and erased the flaming completely. Sorry, UNrules.
Phase 9 wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 22:36 Crimson allows swearing. I do not swear, nor do I enjoy listeneng to it. ...but, I will never go to UNRules servers. Why? Because they suck. Sure, I have to press "k" when my parents walk by to hide the chat window, but I remain on Crim's server for this simple reason: Her server is better than your's. ...and your's, and your's, and your's. It's YOURS (posessive). And we get many players on our server who congratulate us for our "healthy" envirronment without swearing, insulting, ... (our server also has a no swearing rule) So as you can see there is a demand for both kind of servers. And may I ask you to stop writing in red, it hurts my eyes!
I fail to see where the ownership begins. Perhaps I'm ignorant because I don't have a server, but all you really own is the machine. Since the cussing is taking place in "CyberSpace", wherever that is, I'm assuming you have no juristicion over it. A server owner has juristicion over And even if you all are right, I think "swearing" is perhaps the weakest reason to kick anybody ever. If I'm going to be punished for that, I'd like to be lied to and told it's for something else, just to save me the trouble of going into an angry rage. The !kick and !ban commands were made to be used against cheaters, not the foul-mouthed.
Goztow wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 07:48 Phase 9 wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 22:36 Crimson allows swearing. I do not swear, nor do I enjoy listeneng to it. ...but, I will never go to UNRules servers. Why? Because they suck. Sure, I have to press "k" when my parents walk by to hide the chat window, but I remain on Crim's server for this simple reason: Her server is better than your's. ...and your's, and your's, and your's. It's YOURS (posessive). Who the hell are you to correct somebody else's grammar? You're just as bad. Seriously, don't even try to correct somebody else's English if you don't know what the hell you're on about yourself. He used the correct "your" but he misused the apostrophe. "My God son, you're about as useful as a cock flavoured lolly pop." PS. It's spelled "possessive".
Dover wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 02:05 I fail to see where the ownership begins. Perhaps I'm ignorant because I don't have a server, but all you really own is the machine. Since the cussing is taking place in "CyberSpace", wherever that is, I'm assuming you have no juristicion over it. A server owner has juristicion over And even if you all are right, I think "swearing" is perhaps the weakest reason to kick anybody ever. If I'm going to be punished for that, I'd like to be lied to and told it's for something else, just to save me the trouble of going into an angry rage. The !kick and !ban commands were made to be used against cheaters, not the foul-mouthed. How old are you? You obviously haven't grasped the concept of ownership. As msgtpain pointed out very clearly, the server is like a restaurant. Instead of getting served food, though, you get served a game of C&C Renegade. If you start swearing in the restaurant, you will get kicked out. If you continue to swear, the restaurant can file a slew of charges against you, including but not limited to (depending on your area) verbal abuse/assault and trespassing. Likewise, if you continue to use vulgar language in servers which do not allow it, you can be banned from the server. If you don't like it, then go purchase your own restaurant. It's the exact same way just about everywhere on the internet. If you get on AOL and join a public chat room and start swearing, AOL will kick you. It's AOL's service that is providing the chat room, thus it is AOL's restaurant, thus AOL can kick you from the chatroom. If you start sending vulgar emails to a mailing list, you will get kicked off of the mailing list. The point of the matter is, whether or not you think swearing is a right or a priviledge, it is ultimately not up to you. As for your "CyberSpace" argument, that point is completely moot. C&C Renegade requires a server machine to run on. All of your chat goes through this machine before being sent to anyone else. Thus, if the server owner doesn't like what you are saying on that machine, they can kick you from that machine. Think of CyberSpace as the ocean, and servers as a port. If you violate the rules of the port, you will be removed from that port. You can still dock at other ports, though. The port is free to make up whatever rules they like, and you must obey them or face consequences.
I quoted you because I thought it was funny. On to Goztow, I'm glad you put "healthy" in quotations because I'm not sure I agree that pretending that humans don't have negative feelings is healthy.
mrpirate wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 14:14 I quoted you because I thought it was funny. On to Goztow, I'm glad you put "healthy" in quotations because I'm not sure I agree that pretending that humans don't have negative feelings is healthy. Yes, that's why they are there. You know how stupid it seems to me to type out swear words? I can understand you swear when you get killed. I also say swear words. But typing them out? I mean: - you need to do F2 and type it - during that period you can get killed again, but then you will say "hey n00b you type killed me" - you can get killed again while typing that - noone cares you didn't like getting killed. Say it to your dog, he'll listen I fail to see why people make an effort to type out swearing in a server.
I am sure we have all been annoyed by others while playing Renegade. Whether it was someone stealing your tank, someone accusing you of cheating, someone cheating themselves, etc. people can be bothersome. So what's wrong with wanting to tell them to fuck off?
Nothing's wrong with it, but if you're in my house and tell someone to fuck off, I have every right to kick you out. I wouldn't personally, but I have the right to kick you out or embrace your actions.
Goztow wrote on Thu, 13 April 2006 01:48 And may I ask you to stop writing in red, it hurts my eyes! So my evil plan is working! But seriously, I went to the other servers. They were too glitchy, small, or just plain boring. Crim's server may allow cussing, (and I hate it), but who cares? If you can't handle it, don't join the freakin' server. Until Crim's server sucks worse than the rest, (as if that were possible), I will stay at n00bstories. EDIT: By the way, there really is no point in correcting another person's English. You're just going to screw up later and make a retard of yourself. Anyway, English is hard. I'm correcting the typo, so thanks. You just saved me a few points on my research paper I am supposed to be... typing... right now. Oh, boy. EDIT: Goztow, you have pictures of Stalin and the hammer-sickle logo in your signature. Why should you care about the color red? EDIT (last one, I swear): Oh, Koss? I think that one was down when I was scoping out servers. Could be good for all I know. Still, n00bstories has me hooked at the moment. Maybe I'll try it later. Heh. Sorry. You can't judge a book by its cover... if it's not on-shelf.
you're using wrong examples. It's more like, in a place where violence is common or where it's probably teen or above, then it would naturally seem reasonable that swearing would be allowed since swearing and violence are at the same age for acceptance. what you're saying is that since you're the owner you can do whatever you want as long as it's above the law. You can kick out anyone if you wanted, but how is this right(as in right or wrong)? It doesn't make it right, it just means you have the power to do it. Likewise a person who owns a place can be a jerk if he wants to but that isn't right. and i say it's not right to not allow swearing because there's a rating for teen and that means violence or swearing. But yes, owners have the right to be jackasses all they want.
How is kicking people for swearing the equivelant to being a jerk? It's all about preferences. Your preferences are neither right or wrong. My preferences are neither right or wrong. If you choose not to allow someone to drink in your living room, then that's your preference. If someone drinks in the living room, the owner has every right to be upset and enforce his rule. It doesn't make him right or wrong. It's just how he wants things done in his house. People generally have reasons behind their rules. If someone spills a drink in the living room, it could very well stain the furniture or carpet. If someone swears in a server, it may encourage the same out of younger players or may offend others who don't appreciate swearing.
Good use of figurative language (no sarcasm intended).
Well, hope to see you there then Phase. Your evil plan ain't totally working, I just select your text before reading it. I just don't understand quite why you do this .
msgtpain wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 20:38 that's the biggest load of shit that I've read in this thread... Sure if you're standing on a sidewalk, all you could do is engage in a war of words.. but are you trying to tell me that if you are swearing up a strom in MY restaurant, I have no right to tell you to knock it off or leave? You have no more rights in a server than you do in a restaurant or theater or bowling alley or public school.. If YOU don't want to follow the rules, you're welcome to leave... or be forced out. Your "right to free speech" is something that the government has promised you, not me.. THEY agree not to infringe on it, not me.. That's as far as your rights go, sorry. So I'm guessing you're saying the government would allow you to deny people the ability to go to school and to confiscate their ability to defend their homes, because after all, these rights only apply to government-citizen interaction and nothing more! Oh wait. I'm sure you wouldn't want me swearing in your posh restaraunt for the rich and famous. But would you tell me to watch my words while we share the same foxhole? What if we're in a seedy back alley club? What if we're at some teen clubhouse? We're not in a restaraunt when we're playing this game, and we didn't join a server expecting a gentleman's get-together with "I do say my good chap, could you please join with me on an excursion into the base over yonder via this fantastic armored personel carrier?" ... when I join a server, I expect "Dude get your ass in the APC, rush" Hey wait. We're talking about playing Renegade right? Which already has a language filter built in? I got lost somewhere about restaraunts and the law only applying to some people and not others.
I think you totally missed the point, chronojam. Restart reading all posts who are merely copy-pasts of 3 different opinions 5 times and maybe you'll get it.
Chronojam wrote on Fri, 14 April 2006 05:23 msgtpain wrote on Wed, 12 April 2006 20:38 that's the biggest load of shit that I've read in this thread... Sure if you're standing on a sidewalk, all you could do is engage in a war of words.. but are you trying to tell me that if you are swearing up a strom in MY restaurant, I have no right to tell you to knock it off or leave? You have no more rights in a server than you do in a restaurant or theater or bowling alley or public school.. If YOU don't want to follow the rules, you're welcome to leave... or be forced out. Your "right to free speech" is something that the government has promised you, not me.. THEY agree not to infringe on it, not me.. That's as far as your rights go, sorry. So I'm guessing you're saying the government would allow you to deny people the ability to go to school and to confiscate their ability to defend their homes, because after all, these rights only apply to government-citizen interaction and nothing more! Oh wait. I'm sure you wouldn't want me swearing in your posh restaraunt for the rich and famous. But would you tell me to watch my words while we share the same foxhole? What if we're in a seedy back alley club? What if we're at some teen clubhouse? We're not in a restaraunt when we're playing this game, and we didn't join a server expecting a gentleman's get-together with "I do say my good chap, could you please join with me on an excursion into the base over yonder via this fantastic armored personel carrier?" ... when I join a server, I expect "Dude get your ass in the APC, rush" Hey wait. We're talking about playing Renegade right? Which already has a language filter built in? I got lost somewhere about restaraunts and the law only applying to some people and not others. What you expect, and what you are regulated to do are two completely separate ideals. You may picture Renegade as sharing a foxhole with your platoon, or you may picture Renegade as a restaurant. Either way, it's not YOUR server, so you can't determine which one it is going to be for the insuing rounds. Remember, you CHOSE to go into the restaurant instead of the foxhole. That's your problem. Nobody remotely forced you to join their server.
what he is totally confused on is the notion that I was comparing Renegade to a restaurant. If he were to re-read the post slowly, he may understand that it was a correction of a misguided interpretation of the First Amendment, nothing more. One of my biggest pet peeves (and actually, the easiest was for me to spot a 14 year old) is "YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO TELL ME WHAT I CAN AND CAN'T SAY!!!! I HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH"!!! No you don't... at least not in the way you think you do. Quote: Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press... Read that over and over until you really do understand it.. then when it's time for US History, really surprise your teacher by truly understanding what it means: CONGRESS will never make a law abridging your freedom of speech. They never said you had a right to force me to listen to your banter.. especially not in my own business or residence or server. You should never find a law that says "951 a. Dover may not swear in public." And.. that's about as far as your Rights go.