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Which one do you prefer and why?? I prefer the 3rd person view because you see more area and its harder for people to sneak up on me.
1st-sniper 3rd-engi's The rest... dom't care
For the most part, I stick to first person, I've got better aim with it. However, in situations of uncertainty when it comes to corners, hills, or I'm an Engineer unit, I go with 3rd person.
When I wanted to aim more precisely, I found out that first person view is much better. It is also useful when placing mines and/or remotes. Other than that, third person view all the way.
3rd person is the best unless ure trying to snipe someone on a hill or somthing then 1st person is the best
I alternate depending on the situation. 1st for accuracy, 3rd for wider field of view.
superj69 wrote on Wed, 08 March 2006 15:05 3rd person is the best unless ure trying to snipe someone on a hill or somthing then 1st person is the best Yes, I agree, I always use 3rd for SBH actions too.
i use first mostly third for those essential "looking round the corner moments"
I think the key to this is using both & making sure you use the right one for the situation
[BBF Pirate wrote on Thu, 09 March 2006 08:27]I think the key to this is using both & making sure you use the right one for the situation very true
gufu wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 19:58 1st-sniper 3rd-engi's The rest... dom't care ...and that's why you'll never be good at this game (same goes for all you other 1st person foo's).
superj69 wrote on Thu, 09 March 2006 16:18 [BBF Pirate wrote on Thu, 09 March 2006 08:27]I think the key to this is using both & making sure you use the right one for the situation very true read my last post foo
For precision, i tend to use first person to see better. But when i'm just killing things so that i can see what's happening on all sides (although i do fall off cliffs often )
$c0p3 wrote on Thu, 09 March 2006 21:56 gufu wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 19:58 1st-sniper 3rd-engi's The rest... dom't care ...and that's why you'll never be good at this game (same goes for all you other 1st person foo's). That's why you won't ever play other games then Renegade.
HerrKealf wrote on Fri, 10 March 2006 05:20 $c0p3 wrote on Thu, 09 March 2006 21:56 gufu wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 19:58 1st-sniper 3rd-engi's The rest... dom't care ...and that's why you'll never be good at this game (same goes for all you other 1st person foo's). That's why you won't ever play other games then Renegade. lol, I played Call of Duty and I was pretty good at it. The fact still remains that you'll never be good if you use first person (unless you originally got good with 3rd person, but that isn't the case for any of you as all of you are bad, and no I don't need to play with you to know so). What's up with you geeks always making stuff up? It's not like any of you really know what you're talking about, because in reality, you're all bad at this game. Sure, you may not think so as you all play together and don't see anyone better, but that doesn't change anything. You wouldn't understand though, you all think Crimson's smart and always follow on her footsteps
Shut up foo! Quit your jibba jabba! I pitty the foo...
I almost always use 3rd person for everything. Especially, sniping. It works great in Hourglass for the tunnels. About the only time I use 1st person is when I need a better shot as a sniper (like around a rock or something).
I use third person all the time except when I'm closing the distance down with a Patch/Mobius and I want the enemy's head to be easier to hit (it's something like 3 times as big in first person when you're at point blank). Oh yeah, and I always use first person when I'm a Grenadier because the weapon model looks cool. Actually that's the only reason I use the Grenadier in the first place.
Ya, I always use 1st person when I'm a grenadier too, which is usually on Canyon. Mainly, because I have no aim with it on 3rd person.
First Person- Since the screen is moving with you, it's hard to aim, run, jump, and shoot all at the same time. 3rd person, you can do that all at the same time, plus you can see around corners and see people sneaking up from behind and beside you without turning around.
if any of you ever use 1st person well, that;s y ur bad :/
$c0p3 wrote on Sat, 11 March 2006 16:32 if any of you ever use 1st person well, that;s y ur bad :/ You must really suck at 1st person shooters.
pfft why can't you visulise where you are standing? because i can... 1st person is the ownage, looks good too
$c0p3 wrote on Fri, 10 March 2006 08:37 What's up with you geeks always making stuff up? It's not like any of you really know what you're talking about, because in reality, you're all bad at this game. Sure, you may not think so as you all play together and don't see anyone better, but that doesn't change anything. You wouldn't understand though, you all think Crimson's smart and always follow on her footsteps Hmmm and thats based on??
$c0p3 wrote on Sat, 11 March 2006 15:32 if any of you ever use 1st person well, that;s y ur bad :/ i use first person and i dont suck,i mainly use it when im a character that has a silent shot.i dont kno when i have a bullet ready or not unless its in first person because i can see it shoot.
HerrKealf wrote on Sun, 12 March 2006 06:34 $c0p3 wrote on Fri, 10 March 2006 08:37 What's up with you geeks always making stuff up? It's not like any of you really know what you're talking about, because in reality, you're all bad at this game. Sure, you may not think so as you all play together and don't see anyone better, but that doesn't change anything. You wouldn't understand though, you all think Crimson's smart and always follow on her footsteps Hmmm and thats based on?? i'm from clanwars.cc. i don't have to see you play to know i'm better than you lol :/ it's like a cal-i guy compared to a TWL guy on call of duty. you just know and superj, yes you do suck, trust me. w/e sry for being mean <3
LMAO, I would like to experience that. Come and join me sometimes on the jelly-server, I would be delighted to show you the meaning of "being better". Because you are from clanwars.cc you should be better in renegade!? Really I don't care if you think you are better, it would be an endless discussion wich isnt needed here on the forum. But I do think twice before posting, something You should think of too.
i don't really play renegade anymore, and i never join public servers as they involve no competition and it's too easy to MVP on those as I'm usually the only one that really knows what he's doin
$c0p3 wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 09:24 i don't really play renegade anymore, and i never join public servers as they involve no competition and it's too easy to MVP on those as I'm usually the only one that really knows what he's doin Why are you cw.cc people all so predictable and all the same?
Goztow's crowd isn't predictable though.
Goztow wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 16:45 $c0p3 wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 09:24 i don't really play renegade anymore, and i never join public servers as they involve no competition and it's too easy to MVP on those as I'm usually the only one that really knows what he's doin Why are you cw.cc people all so predictable and all the same? because we can be. if your community was at the top, you wouldn't mind putting everyone else down. it's dumb i know, but if i ever i have nothing to say, i'll just remind you about how bad you are and leave you with absolutely no come back to that =/
Other than the obvious one that your bloated ego is only surpassed by your sheer assholery.
$c0p3 wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 21:17 Goztow wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 16:45 $c0p3 wrote on Wed, 15 March 2006 09:24 i don't really play renegade anymore, and i never join public servers as they involve no competition and it's too easy to MVP on those as I'm usually the only one that really knows what he's doin Why are you cw.cc people all so predictable and all the same? because we can be. if your community was at the top, you wouldn't mind putting everyone else down. it's dumb i know, but if i ever i have nothing to say, i'll just remind you about how bad you are and leave you with absolutely no come back to that =/ Quote: I pity you, fool... And i wouldn't be surprised if you would need to google this sentence to know who I'm quoting here. Quote: Forgive them Lord, as they don't know what they're doing This one should be a bit easier to guess. Quote: Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something.
First person mostly. Third person when looking around corners. $c0p3, you suck, And you use "l33tspeak", therefore you're a bad person. I disaprove of your existance. :thumbsdown:
I PERFER 3RD PERSON BECAUSE PPL CANT SNEAK UP ON ME AND I CAN SEE BEHIND THINGS
Ralphzehunter wrote on Wed, 08 March 2006 10:35 I always use 3rd.. Same here, but only like since 2 years ago. before then=1st person.
This is how good people play: 3rd person unless you're scoping. Have a nice day.
i started out with 1st person and eventually discovered there was a 3rd person view. Now all i use is 3rd person, its teh pwnage.
I use 1st person almost exclusivly, and I think I'm PRETTY good...
This isn't Halo. Renegade = team game. Anyway, I switch between the two views constantly. Especially if I'm looking into tunnels without getting sn1ped.
No, no dodging, but what good will a 1v1 do in a team-heavy game? Play me in a 20v20 sometime. I'm not claiming I'll beat you, but I'll give you a good fight at least.
SpyGuy246 wrote on Wed, 24 May 2006 15:07 This isn't Halo. Renegade = team game. Anyway, I switch between the two views constantly. Especially if I'm looking into tunnels without getting sniped. I remember doing that. I think I would switch to first-person whenever I got into a 1v1 gun fight though...I forget.
What could a 20v20 possibly prove? Aside from, of course, who got the better 19 people on their team.
Which person has more points? Or a better k.d. ratio?
Renegade is a TEAM based game, so a 20v20 would prove who the better TEAM player is.
k so when 1 team has 20 clanwars.cc players that are all doing their own thing and the other team has 19 retards that shoot c4 with their rifles and an amazing teamplayer...which team would you think would win?
If every single canwars player were to be running around doing their own thing, it would likely be a tie or time game... whatever. There would at least be SOME teamwork on the other team.
JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 23 May 2006 06:14 This is how good people play: 3rd person unless you're scoping. Have a nice day. What if you are in a fight at point blank range? Or you have your back against the wall? Thank you, you have a nice day too.
Then you move...takes a split second. Get a clue..
Oh, I guess that may work, I'll see later. I destroyed the airstrip all by myself yesterday. I feel I'm getting the hang of this now.
Dover wrote on Thu, 25 May 2006 11:36 Renegade is a TEAM based game, so a 20v20 would prove who the better TEAM player is. Playing as a team requires everyone on the team to make an effort to play cohesively, and regardless of how good a "team player" you are, all it takes is a couple stupid people out of that 20 to ruin your team's chance of winning. It annoys me when people start talking bullshit about how I'm not a "team player" if I don't participate in their stupid rushes all the time. What defines a team player, anyway? If a team player is someone who helps the team to win, then often a team player is someone who ignores the idiots on his or her team and attempts to get the necessary points or destroy the necessary building by themselves. If you are trapped in your base and some newb says "FLAMER RUSH EVERYOPN LLOL," are you not a team player if you ignore him? Perhaps challenging someone to a clan war in place of a 1v1 would be appropriate, if you are interested to see how someone behaves as part of a team. However, unless that person is also calling the clan match, all it would demonstrate would be their ability to be disciplined. 1v1s are the only way to effectively compare individual skill in Renegade. I suppose I shouldn't make assumptions like this, but I imagine you don't like the idea of 1v1s since you have little to no experience playing them. Thusly, (please don't take this personally) you know you wouldn't have much of a chance in one. That's OK, I've been there myself. No one expects you to be born knowing the strategy for playing a 1v1. However, once a player knows how to play a 1v1, it is at least a useful exercise in determining which individual has better ability to use a tank. And after all, a team is only the sum of its individuals.
You're right. I wouldn't have a snowball's chance in hell in a 1v1. I'm a terrible sniper, and I've learned to instinctively panic when I'm alone in rushing or defending. However, I don't think that measures my individual skill in Renegade, since playing renegade (Properly) almost never involves being a 1-man army. So I suck at 1v1s, and I use 1st person mode, does that make a bad player? I submit that it does not.
JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 25 May 2006 13:01 retard. Honestly dude, if everyone was seriously "doing their own thing", then you would lose. Have a nice day!
No they wouldn't...all of them will rush at the start because getting money for killing buildings will help their egoistical needs and the team as an (unwanted?) sideeffect. Now if the other team is standing still inside a building shooting the floor, they will lose every building at the start of a rushmap and therefore lose the game. Point proven..
JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 25 May 2006 15:15 Now if the other team is standing still inside a building shooting the floor, they will lose every building at the start of a rushmap and therefore lose the game. Point proven.. Sure as hell they would lose if they all did that!
JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 25 May 2006 10:41 k so when 1 team has 20 clanwars.cc players that are all doing their own thing and the other team has 19 retards that shoot c4 with their rifles and an amazing teamplayer...which team would you think would win? That's exactly what I said before and you seemed to have a problem with it..
JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 25 May 2006 15:21 JohnDoe wrote on Thu, 25 May 2006 10:41 k so when 1 team has 20 clanwars.cc players that are all doing their own thing and the other team has 19 retards that shoot c4 with their rifles and an amazing teamplayer...which team would you think would win? That's exactly what I said before and you seemed to have a problem with it.. Congratulations you have won the argument! You have been promoted to level 3!!
I know when I've won an arguement by myself...the question is if the other person understands why.
JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 26 May 2006 04:14 Yes. quite?
I'm almost certain especially on this forum..
"omg u use fierst pierson!" UHH WHAT SINCE WHEN WAS USING FIRST PERSON SOMETHING BAD "ur bad at ranagada!" I BOW TO YOUR INTERNET SKILLS LOLZ MANY TIMES ATTEMPTING TO FIRE AT A TARGET THAT IS MOSTLY HIDDEN BEHIND AN OBJECT WILL CAUSE PROJECTILES TO BE BLOCKED WHEN SHOOTING IN THIRD PERSON I THOUGHT EVERYONE KNEW THIS BUT I GUESS NOT FIRST PERSON IS USEFUL IN MANY CIRCUMSTANCES SUCH AS FIRING AT TARGETS THAT ARE BECOMING OBSCURED OR ARE ABOUT TO BE OBSCURED ANYONE FIRING AT SOMEONE SITTING ON THE BRIDGE OF CITY FLYING, FROM GROUND LEVEL, KNOWS EXACTLY WHAT I MEAN
That's not true. You only can't hit someone if he's only showing the tip of his head to you, but he will probably be in scope if he does that, so you can go in scope as well, switch to 1st person and pop his head. With 3rd person you just have to aim somewhere over the enemy's head or at the head and you will score a headshot...its so much easier than in 1st person where you actually have to aim for the head for it to count. Not only that, but you have better sight of your surroundings as well. Another great thing about 3rd person is that if you wallhug with the V-key, you can target people without exposing yourself and then hug the wall with V and only giving your arm and gun as a target by doing so. You were only good in the WL days, ACK and a lot has happened since then...I'm not saying your not better than most of the retards here, tho.
lol I don't care if I'm good at Renegade now. I play CS more than anything else and I'd prefer to stay good at that, instead of this game that becomes dead within three years. Tip of the head, part of the body, doesn't matter. The fact is that you're more accurate in first person because the camera angle screws with targeting. I usually play in third. I only switch to first so I can hit people that are being obscured by geometry or some kind of object.
JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 26 May 2006 09:58 That's not true. You only can't hit someone if he's only showing the tip of his head to you, but he will probably be in scope if he does that, so you can go in scope as well, switch to 1st person and pop his head. With 3rd person you just have to aim somewhere over the enemy's head or at the head and you will score a headshot...its so much easier than in 1st person where you actually have to aim for the head for it to count. Not only that, but you have better sight of your surroundings as well. Another great thing about 3rd person is that if you wallhug with the V-key, you can target people without exposing yourself and then hug the wall with V and only giving your arm and gun as a target by doing so. You were only good in the WL days, ACK and a lot has happened since then...I'm not saying your not better than most of the retards here, tho. I don't think I could stand it if I met you in person.
Aircraftkiller wrote on Fri, 26 May 2006 22:19 lol I don't care if I'm good at Renegade now. I play CS more than anything else and I'd prefer to stay good at that, instead of this game that becomes dead within three years. Tip of the head, part of the body, doesn't matter. The fact is that you're more accurate in first person because the camera angle screws with targeting. I usually play in third. I only switch to first so I can hit people that are being obscured by geometry or some kind of object. You're more accurate, but you will hit less. Try hitting the tip if the head unscoped...it's practically impossible in 1st person as well. In every other situation 3rd person will lock on the enemy soldier even if you're not directly aiming at him, which is a major advantage. ..and Pirkel, I wouldn't want to meet retards like you either.
lol? It's not locking on. It's the camera causing the weapon to fire lower than it's really supposed to, yet another Renegade bug. Basically, what you think is locking on would be you aiming at their chest and the projectiles hitting their head. You can be just as accurate, if not more so, if you practice in first person.
It does lock...aim a bit over the head and see for yourself.
Even if it does lock, you're basically advocating assisted aiming, like in the lowest difficuty level in single player. You're telling me that that first person takes more skill than than third person, which helps my point--Even if you do kill me more often, I'm a better person.
JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 26 May 2006 08:58 its so much easier than in 1st person where you actually have to aim for the head for it to count. So you're saying that someone playing in first person most of the time is more skilled, since it's harder to make headshots and they still take you down like a bitch. Brilliant point to make.
SpyGuy246 wrote on Fri, 26 May 2006 16:10 JohnDoe wrote on Fri, 26 May 2006 08:58 its so much easier than in 1st person where you actually have to aim for the head for it to count. So you're saying that someone playing in first person most of the time is more skilled, since it's harder to make headshots and they still take you down like a bitch. Brilliant point to make. Yes, if he's as good as I am by only using 1st person, then sure. I've never seen any really good person use 1st person, tho.
Dover wrote on Wed, 24 May 2006 07:48 I use 1st person almost exclusivly, and I think I'm PRETTY good...
^why? unless you'll make a small map - 1 on 1 are more like noob on noob!
gufu wrote on Sun, 28 May 2006 20:53 ^why? unless you'll make a small map - 1 on 1 are more like noob on noob! I'm pretty sure that 1 vs 1 field proves something.. lol.
1v1 in a team-based game (Read: Renegade) don't mean a damn thing, except perhaps who's better at 1v1. I'm not claiming to be good at 1v1. I probably suck. I'm good at Renegade.
1v1 can demonstrate who has more skill at Renegade. And while there's more than just ability required to win large games of Renegade (i.e. strategy is necessary too), it's tough to be "good at Renegade" if you don't have any skill.
Dover wrote on Sun, 28 May 2006 21:19 1v1 in a team-based game (Read: Renegade) don't mean a damn thing, except perhaps who's better at 1v1. I'm not claiming to be good at 1v1. I probably suck. I'm good at Renegade. I'm talking about aiming abilities...so 1v1 sniping? I'll leave this forums forever if you manage to kill me once before I kill you 10 times in a 1v1 on Islands.
A setup 1v1 is only for the egoists, it just shows how good you are solo against a specific solo player without any backup. Not exactly something you'd find in a real game....
You need good individuals for a good team...being a good individual doesn't mean you're egoistic.
Quote: a good orchestra needs good players to make good music. Field 1v1 proves how good you are with a tank. And tanks are the most commeone things to be used in Renegade. Your not going to win the game with a patch or a sydney. But teamwork is a skill too. to be honest I think that if you put up the best 1v1 Ren players with eachother. That wouldn't mean that they would make the best team. btw 3dperson ftw. But I like to play in 1st sometimes just because you can see the Gun and for a change.
JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 07:02 You need good individuals for a good team...being a good individual doesn't mean you're egoistic. But you don't need the best individuals to have the best team. You can have the best team with good individuals.
gse was a good clan not only because we played well as a team but also because individually it had very talented members. Thus, when faced with an opponent who was equally or close to equally organized we were still able to win.
Exactly. We could rely on our pilots out-flying the enemy pilots, our sniper out-sniping the enemy sniper, etc...those are the individual skills that win games.
JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 02:36 Dover wrote on Sun, 28 May 2006 21:19 1v1 in a team-based game (Read: Renegade) don't mean a damn thing, except perhaps who's better at 1v1. I'm not claiming to be good at 1v1. I probably suck. I'm good at Renegade. I'm talking about aiming abilities...so 1v1 sniping? I'll leave this forums forever if you manage to kill me once before I kill you 10 times in a 1v1 on Islands. Aw, I don't want you gone. I like having you here in the forums. I'm not that good at sniping. I havn't mastered the "Sniper's Twitch", so there's little doubt that you'll beat me, but I'll take up the challenge anyway. You know, for the fun of it. 1v1 no basekill 500 snipers only? I might get you once...
My point: Large games = Require strategy Small games = Require tactics 1v1s = Require "Skill", I guess? Renegade, while an FPS, is still a C&C game at it's core. It takes Strategy and Tactics to win. Seriously, when have you ever seen 2 solo units duking it out in any other C&C? Renegade is really no differant. It's still C&C: Renegade. Games of "Skill" would be like Counter-Strike, where winning or losing is more or less a matter of shooting straighter. I'll gladly challenge JohnDoe to a 1v1 in Counter-Strike, any day.
This thread is about 1st or 3rd person...it's not about tactics or strategies, it's about aiming abilities/skill. I said that I have yet to meet someone who can shoot as good as me by using 1st person...you said that you think you're good, so I challenged you. When do you have 30 mins spare?
I dunno. I never know until I have them. But when I do I'm on the n00bstories server. Find me there sometime.
JohnDoe wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 15:54 it's not about tactics or strategies
Dover wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 19:25 I dunno. I never know until I have them. But when I do I'm on the n00bstories server. Find me there sometime. I'm !forcerg'd on there, but I'll just try to PM you when I'm ingame. BTW someone should kick you in the nuts for that stupid joke.
JohnDoe wrote on Tue, 30 May 2006 05:44 Dover wrote on Mon, 29 May 2006 19:25 I dunno. I never know until I have them. But when I do I'm on the n00bstories server. Find me there sometime. I'm !forcerg'd on there, but I'll just try to PM you when I'm ingame. Then... Get RenGuard?