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Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: [blazer@blazer01 xwisp]$ cat success.txt Mon Mar 6 11:04:09 MST 2006 That's the time it happened. The first ever successful login to an LFDS running on XWIS. Long Story Short: I now have an alpha version of "XWISP" fully functional. * With XWISP, you can run the LFDS on both GameSpy and XWIS simultaneously. * All XWIS functionality will be available, except currently no plans to add support for the nonexistant XWIS ladder (because there currently isn't one), but as soon as Strike Team gets one up that I can test against, I will endeavor to add it's functionality.. * XWISP is written in Perl, and completely encapsulates the LFDS. This means that renrem/macrem is not needed, since XWISP has full read and write access to the console via stdin/stdout. * XWISP provides an "enhanced" console, which uses ANSI codes to basically give an IRC-like interface, with a "no-scroll" area that is free to type in (I know everyone hates when they are on the FDS console trying to type a command and something makes the screen scroll). Color customizations are possible. * XWISP should enable an LFDS to "out perform" a windows FDS running on similar hardware. Why? Because Linux was meant to be a server, and almost 100% of a linux servers resources are available, whereas windows servers have umpteen resource hungry processes always running in the background, including the GUI. * XWISP will be compatible with brenbot, as brenbot uses a TCP connection ("macrem"), for executing console commands, XWISP will provide a TCP port for this as well. Stay tuned for more info, including a request for some people to beta test, both running an XWISP server, and playing on one. I will have extensive documentation in the final release as well as all of the detailed thank-you's and credits. For now I would like to thank the entire BHS team for their help and support in achieving my goal of a fully working Linux FDS.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-06T19:13:14-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: It took time but NICE!
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-03-06T19:22:41-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: nice work I want to be a beta tester
creator: Stumpy
date: 2006-03-06T19:26:18-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: I wanna to. I will test beta too
creator: SODPaddy
date: 2006-03-06T19:47:33-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Blazer wrote on Mon, 06 March 2006 13:13 [blazer@blazer01 xwisp]$ cat success.txt Mon Mar 6 11:04:09 MST 2006 That's the time it happened. The first ever successful login to an LFDS running on XWIS. Long Story Short: I now have an alpha version of "XWISP" fully functional. * With XWISP, you can run the LFDS on both GameSpy and XWIS simultaneously. * All XWIS functionality will be available, except currently no plans to add support for the nonexistant XWIS ladder (because there currently isn't one), but as soon as Strike Team gets one up that I can test against, I will endeavor to add it's functionality.. * XWISP is written in Perl, and completely encapsulates the LFDS. This means that renrem/macrem is not needed, since XWISP has full read and write access to the console via stdin/stdout. * XWISP provides an "enhanced" console, which uses ANSI codes to basically give an IRC-like interface, with a "no-scroll" area that is free to type in (I know everyone hates when they are on the FDS console trying to type a command and something makes the screen scroll). Color customizations are possible. * XWISP should enable an LFDS to "out perform" a windows FDS running on similar hardware. Why? Because Linux was meant to be a server, and almost 100% of a linux servers resources are available, whereas windows servers have umpteen resource hungry processes always running in the background, including the GUI. * XWISP will be compatible with brenbot, as brenbot uses a TCP connection ("macrem"), for executing console commands, XWISP will provide a TCP port for this as well. Stay tuned for more info, including a request for some people to beta test, both running an XWISP server, and playing on one. I will have extensive documentation in the final release as well as all of the detailed thank-you's and credits. For now I would like to thank the entire BHS team for their help and support in achieving my goal of a fully working Linux FDS. Go Blazer! YA! (you forgot to mention that Linux r…
creator: =HT=T-Bird
date: 2006-03-06T21:27:01-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Well done blazer, i alread know someone that will want this.
creator: sterps
date: 2006-03-06T22:15:16-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Great work!
creator: pvtschlag
date: 2006-03-06T23:04:55-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Question: Why Perl and not PHP? I think that PHP is more widely used.
creator: terminator 101
date: 2006-03-07T00:16:41-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Heh, will be interesting to see how this runs on my FreeBSD 6 and 5.3 boxes.
creator: xptek
date: 2006-03-07T02:38:31-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Good job getting it going blazer Oh and FYI, this required adding code to bhs.so so when this is released, you will need to run the version of bhs.so with this in it.
creator: jonwil
date: 2006-03-07T05:09:37-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Terminator 101 wrote on Mon, 06 March 2006 19:16 Question: Why Perl and not PHP? I think that PHP is more widely used. PHP is more widely used for web applications, whereas perls main dominion is command line applications. Perl is well suited for things like this, and it's many built-in and addon functions for things like crc32 and other complex math, plus me being fairly adept at Perl, made it the logical choice. Pretty much any unix OS either has Perl installed by default or is available in the base package set, so I don't think anyone will have any problems running it.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-07T05:40:19-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: So that is the main difference betwen perl and PHP. I am in computer programming second semmester and my Web programming teacher was not able to explain to me why do we have to learn perl and PHP when at the first sight, they have quite similar coding. Anyway, is Renguard created in Perl too? Just wondering.
creator: terminator 101
date: 2006-03-07T06:50:02-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: The RenGuard client that runs on the players PCs is written in C, the current RenGuard backend network (the master servers and such) are written in Perl. RG2 will be all coded in C.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-07T08:40:19-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: good news Blazer
creator: jd422032101
date: 2006-03-07T12:17:26-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Blazer, I think you should make it open-source. This is not RenGuard so you don't have a reason to make it closed-source, right? mac tell me he love Open Source & GPL. Blazer, as a member of BHS, you should learn from your good friend, and make this open-source. This will help the Renegade Community. Blazer wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 13:40 Terminator 101 wrote on Mon, 06 March 2006 19:16 Question: Why Perl and not PHP? I think that PHP is more widely used. PHP is more widely used for web applications, whereas perls main dominion is command line applications. Perl is well suited for things like this, and it's many built-in and addon functions for things like crc32 and other complex math, plus me being fairly adept at Perl, made it the logical choice. Pretty much any unix OS either has Perl installed by default or is available in the base package set, so I don't think anyone will have any problems running it. I'm a PHP engineer. As what I know, Perl DO NOT have any built-in functions for complex encryption and maths function. What you can do is download modules for it. But on the other hand, PHP have dozen of built-in functions, such as sha1() , md5() and crc32() . These PHP functions are really BUILT-IN and you don't need to use it with any module. Your brenbot is packed with par, that means no perl installation is needed, so pre-installed perl or not is not a problem. I strongly suggest you write this in PHP. With PHP, you have easy access to the Internet without calling sockets directly. PHP will handle the socket for you. Any URL is accepted as filename and it allow us to treat URLs as normal files. For example, we can fopen('http://www.somewebsite.abc/file.ext','r'); in PHP! Can you do this in Perl? NO. PHP code is programmer-friendly and it have a good error reporting system, but perl do not. PHP is the next generation of scripting language, perl is outdated and unloved. As what you can see, this forum is using PHP-based script but not a Perl CGI. PHP is fast, …
creator: howang
date: 2006-03-07T12:56:18-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Blazer wrote on Mon, 06 March 2006 21:13 * All XWIS functionality will be available, except currently no plans to add support for the nonexistant XWIS ladder (because there currently isn't one), but as soon as Strike Team gets one up that I can test against, I will endeavor to add it's functionality.. Does anyone know if this will ever happen? I haven't heard anything from Strike Team in a while..at least on these forums.
creator: RTsa
date: 2006-03-07T13:59:27-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: howang wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 07:56 Blazer, I think you should make it open-source. This is not RenGuard so you don't have a reason to make it closed-source, right? mac tell me he love Open Source & GPL. Blazer, as a member of BHS, you should learn from your good friend, and make this open-source. This will help the Renegade Community. Well since it's written in Perl, the source code is right there. XWISP currently only 100% emulates the protocol exchange of the windows FDS, so there is no reason to "modify" anything, as changing anything would make it no longer work. Blazer wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 13:40 Terminator 101 wrote on Mon, 06 March 2006 19:16 Question: Why Perl and not PHP? I think that PHP is more widely used. PHP is more widely used for web applications, whereas perls main dominion is command line applications. Perl is well suited for things like this, and it's many built-in and addon functions for things like crc32 and other complex math, plus me being fairly adept at Perl, made it the logical choice. Pretty much any unix OS either has Perl installed by default or is available in the base package set, so I don't think anyone will have any problems running it. howang wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 07:56 I'm a PHP engineer. As what I know, Perl DO NOT have any built-in functions for complex encryption and maths function. What you can do is download modules for it. But on the other hand, PHP have dozen of built-in functions, such as sha1() , md5() and crc32() . These PHP functions are really BUILT-IN and you don't need to use it with any module. PHP does have some nice built-in functions, along with Pear. Perl has vastly more modules available to do pretty much anything, from IRC modules to complex ANSI terminal emulation. howang wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 07:56 Your brenbot is packed with par, that means no perl installation is needed, so pre-installed perl or not is not a problem. brenbot is packed with par so that it can run on Win32 systems. Sin…
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-07T15:24:50-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: RTsa wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 08:59 Blazer wrote on Mon, 06 March 2006 21:13 * All XWIS functionality will be available, except currently no plans to add support for the nonexistant XWIS ladder (because there currently isn't one), but as soon as Strike Team gets one up that I can test against, I will endeavor to add it's functionality.. Does anyone know if this will ever happen? I haven't heard anything from Strike Team in a while..at least on these forums. I asked Olaf about it as recently as a month, and while he didn't give a firm answer, he indicated that it was going to be added eventually.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-07T15:29:08-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Blazer wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 23:24 Well since it's written in Perl, the source code is right there. XWISP currently only 100% emulates the protocol exchange of the windows FDS, so there is no reason to "modify" anything, as changing anything would make it no longer work. I'm happy to know that you will make it open-source but not close-source it just like brenbot. You are very kind. Blazer wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 23:24 PHP does have some nice built-in functions, along with Pear. Perl has vastly more modules available to do pretty much anything, from IRC modules to complex ANSI terminal emulation. PHP have many "modules"(maybe real modules or OOP-based classes) too. Just as what you mentioned, from IRC modules to complex ANSI terminal emulation are available! Check out phpclasses.org for more PHP "modules". Blazer wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 23:24 brenbot is packed with par so that it can run on Win32 systems. Since XWISP is for Linux, packing it will not be required. Starting it up will be as simple as ./xwisp.pl (And good thing too, since php does not have a par equivalent ) There are some skills to pack PHP into Windows execuatables. You may have a look on this: http://wildphp.free.fr/wiki/doku.php?id=win32std:embeder Blazer wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 23:24 I am now starting to question if you know anything about Perl at all, because if you did, you would know that perl code and php code and syntax are very similar. Yes, I know a little bit. I start learning scripting language from Perl, but as what I know it is too complex for me, so I switch to PHP and it give me a good feel of PHP'ing. PHP codes are easy to understand and easy to learn. At least it won't have something like $_ which makes beginners confused. And Perl mixed up for & foreach, that I think it is not acceptable. for is looping with some conditions. foreach is looping through an array (and hash in perl). They are total difference but perl mix them up, it makes me really confused. The reas…
creator: howang
date: 2006-03-08T02:27:44-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: I believe that the RenGuard SSC is not open source because we dont want to give out secrets of RenGuard protocol (crimson/blazer, correct me if I am wrong here). Also, in the future, I have plans to make this even better. There is actually a fair chunk of the game-side parts of WOL left in the LFDS (it looks like codewench just disabled the bare minumum reqired in order to get the LFDS to work and not try to talk to WOL or whatever) which means I can (through the existing game-patching methods I have) put back the game-side bits and then have a linux clone of wolapi.dll that provides all the bits that the FDS needs to work and have the LFDS talk to that. The advantage with this is that it will be much closer to the way the WFDS works (including setting the game type to "WOL" and having it work) Although right now, the goal is to get it working.
creator: jonwil
date: 2006-03-08T04:06:05-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: jonwil wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 22:06 I believe that the RenGuard SSC is not open source because we dont want to give out secrets of RenGuard protocol (crimson/blazer, correct me if I am wrong here). Also, in the future, I have plans to make this even better. There is actually a fair chunk of the game-side parts of WOL left in the LFDS (it looks like codewench just disabled the bare minumum reqired in order to get the LFDS to work and not try to talk to WOL or whatever) which means I can (through the existing game-patching methods I have) put back the game-side bits and then have a linux clone of wolapi.dll that provides all the bits that the FDS needs to work and have the LFDS talk to that. The advantage with this is that it will be much closer to the way the WFDS works (including setting the game type to "WOL" and having it work) Although right now, the goal is to get it working. Actually, there are a few "pinholes" in the SSC protocol that should be cleaned up as part of the RG2 backend work afaik.
creator: =HT=T-Bird
date: 2006-03-08T12:58:56-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: =HT=T-Bird wrote on Wed, 08 March 2006 05:58 Actually, there are a few "pinholes" in the SSC protocol that should be cleaned up as part of the RG2 backend work afaik. What the FUCK do "pinholes" in the SSC protocol have to do with a discussion about a Linux FDS on XWIS, in a reply from jonwil primarily about his help on the XWISP project? Or did you just post this in a high-profile thread so people would think you know what you're talking about?
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-03-08T16:34:57-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: howang wrote on Tue, 07 March 2006 20:27 In fact I have written a simple renbot to add some more commands in IRC, such as !renrem <renrem command>. "renbot" is a copyrighted application of mine. jonwil wrote somewhen Good job getting it going blazer Oh and FYI, this required adding code to bhs.so so when this is released, you will need to run the version of bhs.so with this in it. Which I provided the src for.
creator: Sir Kane
date: 2006-03-08T18:57:21-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Crimson wrote on Wed, 08 March 2006 10:34 =HT=T-Bird wrote on Wed, 08 March 2006 05:58 Actually, there are a few "pinholes" in the SSC protocol that should be cleaned up as part of the RG2 backend work afaik. What the FUCK do "pinholes" in the SSC protocol have to do with a discussion about a Linux FDS on XWIS, in a reply from jonwil primarily about his help on the XWISP project? Or did you just post this in a high-profile thread so people would think you know what you're talking about? Sorry Crimson, I was correcting Jonwil...O.o
creator: =HT=T-Bird
date: 2006-03-08T21:17:24-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Well, he was referring to the security aspects of the SSC protocol, not because of a minor easily-detected hole. Your reference to the fact that it's a "pin"hole expresses your understanding of the minimal magnitude of this hole.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-03-08T21:42:37-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Crimson wrote on Wed, 08 March 2006 15:42 Well, he was referring to the security aspects of the SSC protocol, not because of a minor easily-detected hole. Your reference to the fact that it's a "pin"hole expresses your understanding of the minimal magnitude of this hole. Sorry, I must have mis-read what Jonwil was saying.
creator: =HT=T-Bird
date: 2006-03-09T02:04:47-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Thankyou to Silent_Kane, Blazer and Inetknight for all their work getting this working (including figuring out how to generate and send this special packet)
creator: jonwil
date: 2006-03-09T03:52:37-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Crimson wrote on Thu, 09 March 2006 00:34 =HT=T-Bird wrote on Wed, 08 March 2006 05:58 Actually, there are a few "pinholes" in the SSC protocol that should be cleaned up as part of the RG2 backend work afaik. What the FUCK do "pinholes" in the SSC protocol have to do with a discussion about a Linux FDS on XWIS, in a reply from jonwil primarily about his help on the XWISP project? Or did you just post this in a high-profile thread so people would think you know what you're talking about? Haha, Last time I report that my players don't trust RenGuard because the BHS people don't have a good personality. The repliers tell me Crimson never use foul language. Now, I found Crimson type a word which belongs to foul language in upper case. BHS people should be good at programming. Usually programmers won't use foul language to talk with their customers. RenGuard is a product of BHS, the players and server owners use RenGuard are BHS's customers. But BHS people use "FUCK" to communicate with Renegade players/server owners, it is unacceptable. Especially for a girl/woman.
creator: howang
date: 2006-03-09T04:14:31-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Silent Kane wrote on Thu, 09 March 2006 02:57 "renbot" is a copyrighted application of mine. So what? It is not a (R) or a TM at all. That's mean everyone can use it.
creator: howang
date: 2006-03-09T04:18:53-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: howang wrote on Wed, 08 March 2006 23:14 Especially for a girl/woman. Why does that matter at all? We're not communis... oh wait.
creator: xptek
date: 2006-03-09T04:36:12-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Oh FUCK, I'm busted. :\
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-03-09T08:47:39-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: xptek wrote on Thu, 09 March 2006 12:36 howang wrote on Wed, 08 March 2006 23:14 Especially for a girl/woman. Why does that matter at all? We're not communis... oh wait. It is normal in Chinese. But I don't know how about others nations.
creator: howang
date: 2006-03-09T11:33:21-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: You surely are a retard.
creator: Sir Kane
date: 2006-03-09T14:08:17-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Replace me with Ho Wank on fucktard list on your sig. Please.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-03-09T15:40:59-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Jeez, she said one bad word and you are all over her. Get a life.
creator: terminator 101
date: 2006-03-09T22:08:07-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: <?php define('BHS_MEMBERS',"don't have good personality"); ?> 2 members of BHS have take action(use foul language etc) to proof this, I think we can define it as a constant. This topic is talking about the nice work from Blazer, XWISP. But you guys are crazy, someone talk about the issue with RenGuard SSC, someone use foul language, someone try to show his "copyright" without understand the copyright law... And finally, what the hell of this? I just made a proposal to Blazer on converting his program to PHP for better usage and performance. And I'm asking for the RenGuard SSC source code for making a custom renguard plug-in for Renegade FDS. [CS] (another renegade to irc admin tool) isn't a product of BHS but it have a function to check player's RenGuard status. That's why I was wonder is it open source. I think the SSC should open-source because it is just a program to query the RenGuard players nickname list and it shouldn't have any security issue.
creator: howang
date: 2006-03-10T01:05:31-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Since you didn't ask nicely... No.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-03-10T02:46:48-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Quote: <?php define('BHS_MEMBERS',"don't have good personality"); ?> <?php echo "Don't be stupid"; ?>
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-03-10T07:39:52-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Crimson wrote on Fri, 10 March 2006 10:46 Since you didn't ask nicely... No. /me smile nicely to Crimson, and then ask again.
creator: howang
date: 2006-03-10T10:27:10-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: <?php echo 'It\'s out for those that won\'t abuse it'; ?> Hope the slashes are the right way :/
creator: dead6re
date: 2006-03-10T10:53:44-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: back 2 topic Could i test it too. Would be nice, i can test it on a fedora core 3 system. my mail: redace@mxagent.de
creator: MXrave
date: 2006-03-10T18:26:17-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Nice work Blazer
creator: MXmurdoc
date: 2006-03-10T19:24:51-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: Speaking of beta-testing, I have a PIII box over at my grandparents' house that runs Debian Sarge. It can't stay up 24/7 (it's only turned on when I'm over there) and it has limited RAM, though, so I can't do much play-testing on it. However, I could exercise the housekeeping code.
creator: =HT=T-Bird
date: 2006-03-10T21:38:26-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: I'm very close to being to the public testing stage. Currently XWISP is 100% functional. Things on my to-do list: 1. Kick people out of the server channel if they have been there for 120+ seconds but not joined the game (same as win32 FDS does). 2. Add a config file and/or command line options to: * Enable/Disable ANSI console * banlist (pre-ban usernames from server channel) 3. Flood notification and protection (GAMEOPT and other command floods). Note: anyone using bots or scripts to flood or otherwise attack XWIS servers will be banned from XWIS, so don't get any ideas 4. TCP port access to console for BRenbot support (and testing with BRenbot to ensure it works). 5. Interception and reimplementation of console "page" command. The built-in page command assumes that native XWIS/WOL support works, and thus you are unable to page XWIS users from the console. I will be adding code that intercepts page commands and redirects it to the XWISP connection. Once XWISP 1.0 is fully tested, I will add several *optional* enhancements that include: 1. Dynamic server titles - Cycle through a list of pre-defined server titles. 2. Player Ghosts - When server is empty or below a settable threshold, fake players are added to the playerlist (once a real player actually loads the map they will see the true player count). Testing has shown that players are much more likely to join a server with players already in it than an empty one It seems like a nasty trick, but it's so effective that within a couple of minutes the server has enough real players to attract on it's own, and the fake players would be removed. 3. Reserved slots - Optionally reserve X number of slots for server admins or moderators.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-13T05:52:02-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: LOL number 2 is funny. It won't have any effect if everyone uses it .
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-03-13T07:53:37-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: I have just finished #1 (of the to-do list). I doubt "everyone" could use #2 because they would all have to be using either XWISP or WOLPROXY (which is not released yet either).
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-13T08:02:09-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
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description: I have now finished #2 (of the too-do list). I think I'm done for the night. Zzzzzzz
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-13T09:47:56-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Night? it's 10 AM here .
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-03-13T09:51:24-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: 3am here...and I have to go to work at 8am
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-13T10:08:41-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Blazer! You are hard working! nice work! Carry on your good work, I can offer a small donation for it! Really amazing! Besides, never sleep too late! If you get sick, who can develop such a good program for us?
creator: howang
date: 2006-03-13T11:21:14-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: I can't wait for the first release. Good work!
creator: pvtschlag
date: 2006-03-14T03:53:42-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: #5 on the to-do list is now done...we are getting close now
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-14T06:35:38-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: goodies
creator: jd422032101
date: 2006-03-14T11:55:18-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Didn't work on XWISP yesterday as I was busy...tonight so far I have added support for the ban and allow commands. I also hear that the XWIS ladder is now working? I will have to look into that, and if it is, start working on adding ladder support, as well as adding the support for brenbot.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-17T02:27:21-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Thesea all are very good news!!!! Great work Blazer
creator: forcee
date: 2006-03-17T18:46:38-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: BrenBot support is added. I am now cleaning up the code (replacing hard-coded values with info automatically collected from the config files), and doing playtesting.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-19T06:32:10-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: So how many more thing left to do blazer?
creator: jd422032101
date: 2006-03-21T14:24:50-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: 1. Working out a small issue with the protocol for NAT players 2. Discovered an issue with LFDS not always printing player join/leave/chat messages to the console (SilentKane found a fix) which causes problems with brenbot and XWISP 3. Cleaning up the code and testing XWISP+brenbot until I feel it is stable enough to release to beta testers (right now the FDS is crashing randomly and I want to find out why). So basically its pretty much working, and I am confident that when released will work 100% fine. I just want to iron out the few glitches and problems, and make it as user-friendly as possible.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-21T23:43:53-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Good ;]
creator: jd422032101
date: 2006-03-22T00:14:16-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Blazer: if you need it, I can set up an account for you on my FreeBSD 5.4 server for testing - it has the linux compatibility kernelmod loaded so it should be able to run almost all linux software (I have the rh8 version of the renegade FDS running on it right now, and haven't had to restart it once even though it's been running since November.) I'm pretty sure I have Perl installed, if I don't I can install it fairly quickly. The server has a static IP, and is on a good connection (often in the 24mbit/8mbit download/upload range) until the beginning of May, when I move out of my dorm. It should be stable and is dual processor if you need to extensively test multithreaded or multiprocess code (since multiple CPUs or cores help a lot in finding deadlocks and race conditions.) PM me on IRC if you need it (I'm on as CompHobbyist and SVRCompHobbyist.) howang: wow, you're a bright one. Notice that PHP stands for PHP HyperText Preprocessor... it's designed for web stuff, though it CAN be used for command line things as well. Also PHP has $_ just like Perl, though it's in $_POST and $_GET instead of by itself I'm no fan of Perl (too easy to obfuscate imo) but that's probably because I haven't learned more then the bare basics. (note: I don't want to restart this battle, but I really can't believe this guy would actually argue for what he did)
creator: CompHobbyist
date: 2006-03-22T04:55:14-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: You sound like a good candidate for beta testing once I get the few remaining issues worked out. Since the command to send the special UDP packet is now integrated into the FDS, an XWISP-like program could be fairly easily written in any unix-friendly language (perl, php, python, C, java, etc) by someone with some knowledge of writing multi-threaded apps in their language of choice (must be able to simultaneously communicate with XWIS while also paying attention to the FDS and remote admin port), and the protocol specs.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-22T19:19:48-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Since the xwisp.pl will be available (I believe), anyone who wants to could use that as a reference to get things right
creator: jonwil
date: 2006-03-22T22:21:11-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: So how is it going so far?
creator: jd422032101
date: 2006-03-24T23:08:37-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Any updates on this? Interested in (attempting to) implement this in C.
creator: xptek
date: 2006-03-24T23:09:35-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: I'm still waiting to confer with Scorpio9a on resolving the protocol exchange for mangler/NAT:d players. He has been AFK for over a week now. In the meantime I am working on cleaning up the code and making it easily configurable, and I also need to do some testing of the FDS within gdb to see why mine is crashing.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-03-26T02:13:57-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: I have seen the Linux test server in WOL, but i cant join
creator: SODPaddy
date: 2006-03-31T20:30:45-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Blazer wrote on Sun, 26 March 2006 10:13 I'm still waiting to confer with Scorpio9a on resolving the protocol exchange for mangler/NAT:d players. He has been AFK for over a week now. In the meantime I am working on cleaning up the code and making it easily configurable, and I also need to do some testing of the FDS within gdb to see why mine is crashing. Blazer, why don't you try to fix it on yourself? I think it must be a funny experience on debugging. Anyway, keep on the good work!
creator: howang
date: 2006-04-03T05:05:10-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: I may have to do just that, as Scorpio9a has been unavailable for a couple of weeks now.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-04-03T18:55:29-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Update please ;]
creator: jd422032101
date: 2006-04-10T03:57:28-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Vinister wrote on Mon, 10 April 2006 04:57 Update please ;] ^
creator: DaN#GW
date: 2006-04-14T17:56:25-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Yes, we do need more empty servers on WOL/xwis!
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-04-14T21:12:53-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: yep.
creator: jd422032101
date: 2006-04-15T01:24:43-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Okay, sorry for so long since last update, but there has been no progress until tonight. Thanks to combined effort from jonwil and v00d00, the LFDS now has automatic, built-in support for responding to what is internalled called "Firewall Packet Probes". Basically, before a game client can connect to the FDS, it sends a UDP packet that basically says "Hey server...this is me contacting you on what I think is your game port. If you can hear me, please respond". The FDS then has to send a special UDP packet back to the client, using the same IP and port the probe came in on - "Hey this is the Server...I read you loud and clear, if you can hear this come on in!". The game client then connects to the server and logs the player in. Now, to explain the problem I was having. 1. I had already learned via various reverse engineering methods (packet sniffing, dissassembly, debugging) of this special packet that was required to connect. 2. Jonwil and v00d00 collaborated on adding an additional console command to the LFDS (via latest scripts.dll), called "wolsend". Using this command you could specify an IP and port and it would send a properly formatted packet to the remote game client, so it could then connect. 3. This seemed to work, and thought all our problems were solved. However I discovered another problem, when certain types of NAT (firewalled) players tried to join the server. 4. For normal clients, I got their IP address and UDP port from the XWIS/WOL protocol that their client sent to the game channel. 5. However, these NAT players, something funky was happening. Basically their game client would send info to the game channel indicating they were using a certain port, but then the actual firewall probe packet would come in from a DIFFERENT port! This totally screwed me up, as now I had no way to easily intercept these packets and verify which source port they were using. 6. Jonwil and v00d00 came to the rescue. v00d00 found a function within the FDS code that specif…
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-04-23T08:57:57-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: How long is it before XWISP is ready for release?
creator: =HT=T-Bird
date: 2006-04-23T12:19:33-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: I would say after a couple days of testing with the new scripts.dll (2.7), and ssaow (that hopefully WD will build with it). I asked jonwil when 2.7 will be out and he said soon.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-04-23T14:42:31-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Do you know if the FDS will whore CPU like it does on Windows when there's alot of players ingame? Also, since the WOL ladder doesn't exactly work, can you still host a laddered server just to have the laddered scores display, or is displaying the scores the part you have to fix?
creator: IcyyTouch
date: 2006-04-24T08:55:07-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: From what I've heard, it seems the *nix FDS has less exploits/crash bugs than the Windows FDS. Would be interesting to compare their performance.
creator: xptek
date: 2006-04-24T12:05:00-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: I havn't done any testing yet, but I'm sure the LFDS will way out-perform the WIN32 FDS for various reasons. The Linux kernel has superior multitasking and TCP/IP stack. With a Linux server, you have almost all of the machine resources...unlike windows where the GUI and all the stupid MS services are consuming memory and CPU cycles. The LFDS also seems to require less RAM on Linux. One test I have performed was getting v00d00 to DDOS the game server port with firewall probe packets. Even while this was going on and the LFDS was responding to every packet, the CPU usage was "0.0%"
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-04-24T17:04:40-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Would love to test this, Have a good 100mbit planet server (the linux is only a fc4 in vmware though). Sounds like good work blazer. And to all the other people that have / will work on the project.
creator: pyroacidk
date: 2006-04-27T02:59:34-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: I dont think a linux server in a vmware window on a windows server would be a proper testing ground I'm looking for people who already run an Linux FDS, that want to try having their server on XWIS simultaneously.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-04-28T00:30:40-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: I have a FreeBSD 6 (RELEASE) and a FreeBSD 5.3 box I wouldn't mind testing it on. Planning on running a public server on one of those (Most likely the 6-RELEASE box), and would love to test it whenever you have something workable ready.
creator: xptek
date: 2006-04-28T03:07:24-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Let me know once you have a working GSA LFDS that is using/can use the latest scripts.dll builds (there is a rh7 and rh8 build so you have to find which one works for freebsd).
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-04-28T07:16:06-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Blazer wrote on Fri, 28 April 2006 02:16 Let me know once you have a working GSA LFDS that is using/can use the latest scripts.dll builds (there is a rh7 and rh8 build so you have to find which one works for freebsd). What gcc/binutils/glibc versions are required by the LFDS builds? Please don't tell me "what comes with rh7/8", as my only Linux box runs Debian "Sarge".
creator: =HT=T-Bird
date: 2006-04-28T11:59:08-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: I`ve got an Debian-Woody Server, and would like to try to run my server on XWIS. My Server is using RH7 with CP2.
creator: Stumpy
date: 2006-04-28T13:52:17-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Have the 7.3 version working fine on FreeBSD with linux-base installed.
creator: xptek
date: 2006-04-29T02:56:24-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: =HT=T-Bird wrote on Fri, 28 April 2006 07:59 Blazer wrote on Fri, 28 April 2006 02:16 Let me know once you have a working GSA LFDS that is using/can use the latest scripts.dll builds (there is a rh7 and rh8 build so you have to find which one works for freebsd). What gcc/binutils/glibc versions are required by the LFDS builds? Please don't tell me "what comes with rh7/8", as my only Linux box runs Debian "Sarge". I'm running the RH8 version of the LFDS on RedHat Enterprise Linux 4ES $ ldd renegade libstdc++.so.5 => /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5 (0x005ae000) libm.so.6 => /lib/tls/libm.so.6 (0x00589000) libgcc_s.so.1 => /lib/libgcc_s.so.1 (0x0080f000) libc.so.6 => /lib/tls/libc.so.6 (0x0045d000) /lib/ld-linux.so.2 (0x00444000) $ rpm -qa |grep glibc glibc-common-2.3.4-2.13 glibc-2.3.4-2.13 glibc-kernheaders-2.4-9.1.98.EL glibc-devel-2.3.4-2.13 glibc-headers-2.3.4-2.13 $ rpm -qa |grep gcc libgcc-3.4.4-2 gcc-g77-3.4.4-2 gcc-3.4.4-2 compat-gcc-32-3.2.3-47.3 gcc-c++-3.4.4-2 gcc-java-3.4.4-2 compat-gcc-32-c++-3.2.3-47.3 I dunno what libs are needed to run the RH7 one.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-04-29T03:13:35-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Time for an update I guess. Once scripts.dll 2.7.1 was released, XWISP seems to be working fine. I am cleaning up the code to prepare for releasing a beta. Once SSAOW 1.6 is released, I will be putting up a 50 player LFDS with all the bells and whistles (ssaow+brenbot), with a decently high a000 nickname in hopes that enough people will join that I can do a real stress test. So far I have had a max of 13 players playing on my test server, and during this time renegade was using 13% CPU, XWISP itself was using little to no CPU at all, and brenbot (1.43) was using 4% CPU. I'm anxious to see how the server performs with 32+ players, if it happens I will let you know the outcome. As for the beta test, I am getting lots of requests already to test XWISP. Please bear with me and wait until I publically release the beta. Also please bear in mind that I only intend to support XWISP itself. I cannot help people install and troubleshoot linux issues. XWISP was designed for people who already have a linux GSA server that they wish to be on XWIS/WOL as well. I realize some people may want to switch from a win32 FDS to Linux, especially if it performs better, but it's simply not my job or desire to handhold people through learning to install and use the linux OS. I also don't recommend installing linux in a vmware window to use XWISP (more than one person has asked me about this) - it totally cancelles out the advantage of using linux over win32 in the first place. Okay enough rambling, just wanted to post an update. Feel free to ask any questions or relavant comments.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-05-08T09:37:42-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Any idea on when this will be released?
creator: DaN#GW
date: 2006-05-13T16:54:01-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: "Soon" I have two things I need to do first: 1. Testing of the LFDS has revealed than banning GSA players no longer works. I'm not sure if its the latest scripts.dll, or other LFDS patches we applied that broke it. The ban issue isn't an XWISP-specific problem, but I plan on releasing XWISP along with the latest scripts.dll (have to, since XWISP relies on a function in it), and if that scripts.dll breaks GSA banning, then I would be releasing something which breaks the LFDS...not good. 2. I want to do some testing with ssaow 1.6 when it's released (any day now?) to make sure it's compatible (again XWISP relies on a function that is in scripts.dll which is also merged into ssaow). So I need to do some testing to resolve the gsa banning problem, and hopefully ssaow 1.6 will be out soon and then I can put up a fully featured 50 player server and stress test the hell out of it.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-05-13T21:55:57-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Anymore notable progressions with this yet? I'm really looking forward to this being released.
creator: pvtschlag
date: 2006-05-19T03:28:48-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Updates?
creator: MXmurdoc
date: 2006-06-05T10:18:31-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Update: [15:44:30] <Crimson> and it's done, he is just waiting for SSAOW mod to work on Linux correctly
creator: =HT=T-Bird
date: 2006-07-05T20:47:21-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: i bet i feels really good to have so many people on a thread anuxly waiting for this release, and still there is no auguments on a 30+ posts topic... renegadeforums.com record. i cannot wait till this come out.
creator: jnz
date: 2006-07-24T21:03:40-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Blazer, mind releasing this for the few of us that don't use SSAOW?
creator: xptek
date: 2006-07-28T17:20:35-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Sorry to bump this again, but it'd be nice to get an update and possibly a beta.
creator: xptek
date: 2006-08-19T17:59:01-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: yes me 2. We have a Nice Linux Server and we´re waiting von XWISP
creator: MXrave
date: 2006-08-19T18:35:29-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: I'd rather only do one release. If I release now, I will have to test with ssaow and possibly/probably fix something and then release again. Hopefully ssaow will be out any day now so it won't be much longer.
creator: Blazer
date: 2006-08-20T07:10:25-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: I don't know if I told you on IRC yet, but my main computer is dead right now. So I can't do any work on SSAOW.
creator: Whitedragon
date: 2006-08-20T08:05:23-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: Then its a good time to release xwisp + source now.
creator: Stumpy
date: 2006-08-22T14:57:35-00:00

Re: Renegade FDS Running on Linux - on XWIS/WOL!!!
type: item
description: I would really love a beta release. We have all been waiting on this for quite awhile now.
creator: pvtschlag
date: 2006-08-22T20:10:22-00:00