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Renegade Website
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description: EA deleted it, fine. Crimson, I suggest we built it as it was (same layout) and that we update with news about mods, patches (cp1 and cp2), maps, tutorials, news about Renegade community and events. I think we should really do that. I can help for all the design and graphics and also the content. Contact me if you are interested. http://www.cncsaga.com/img/tiberian/html/renegade_intro.swf
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-17T18:39:30-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I doubt the site would be used. What might work better is making these forums a subpart of the site. Have the community renegade website and then under it would be the official forums. That would be Crimson's decision though. Other then that I can't see it being used.
creator: genetix
date: 2006-02-17T19:37:37-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: thats an awesome intro!
creator: Nightma12
date: 2006-02-17T19:50:02-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: http://web.archive.org/web/20020206001432/westwood.ea.com/ga mes/ccuniverse/renegade/english/index.shtml
creator: Oblivion165
date: 2006-02-17T21:03:04-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I would like to see it just to spite EA!
creator: luv2pb
date: 2006-02-17T21:27:51-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: It wouldn't spite EA, it would just take responsibility away from them, which is what they want. TBH I don't see a need to replace the EA site, I wouldn't look at it anyway. (But if you are going ahead, please, please make it standards compliant and accessible)
creator: light
date: 2006-02-17T22:46:50-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Well, my idea is to make the website and then have these forum as the forum for the website. I will talk with crimson about this.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-17T23:18:08-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Good chat. I purchased RenegadeCommunity.com for this.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-02-17T23:45:10-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Okay, I will get my idea on its feet then. I will work on the design first and then on the code with some webmasters of the french community. For the content, I will explain more of it next week. (Chronojam, I need a chat with you about this also.) Any help to rebuild the Renegade website better than ever is welcome. If you think you can help, post here with your skills and your motivations. We need to get people with real interest in that project. You can also submit ideas for the website here. So if you have THE idea, then share it here!
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-17T23:55:33-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: If you need any help with html coding or digital art, PM me. EDIT: I suppose if you did want me to help, you would know what I can do in that department. Here is an example of the digital art and html coding I can do: http://www.dcomproductions.afraid.org, however, I did not do that flash animation. Another reminder that most of the other pages are broken links, it is far from being done.
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2006-02-18T00:56:40-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Thats really sharp work Renardin6. I hope things go well for you. I would offer to help but, I'm like Colonel Klink, "I know nothing"
creator: mision08
date: 2006-02-18T01:22:41-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I'm a professional slacker. But since I have no life, you could have me be one of the people that updates the site. Know some minor HTML. ogrestorm@alltel.net if this sounds appealing.
creator: ogregun
date: 2006-02-18T02:36:19-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I know HTML and CSS. I also write W3C standards compliant code. (Don't ask me not to, I will refuse). My site is http://www.crimson.atomhosting.info/ (only the main page works, but it shows you what I can design, a nice looking, fast loading site) and i'm willing to help you make the site accessible and compliant, but i'm too busy with other sites to be heavily involved with this one too.
creator: light
date: 2006-02-18T04:55:24-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I know HTML, CSS and PHP. www.thekoss2.org is my work. The images aren't mine, I suck at photoshop. At first sight, it doesn't look special, go through att he forums. Our website is a bit unusually structured but it's the way we want it. I make my own scripts for about everything. If I don't know how to do it yet, I learn it. PHP is a wonderful programming language. I also speak French, which might come out handy. You might need confirmation of EA that you may use their design/graphics. It's all copyrighted, I'm sure. You got me on msn, contact me if needed.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-18T09:37:26-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I have looked at thekoss website, if this project wants to go with that style of design, then I will stay out of it. No offense intended, but i don't go for big banners, Flash intros (i have flash disabled) and table layouts that take too long to load and are a pain to edit.
creator: light
date: 2006-02-18T10:28:22-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Light, why would someone's style be limited to the style of one website? I made that website like people wanted it to be. I'm a coder, not really a designer. I think it's a bit harsh to jump to conclusions based on one website. I think the target is to make the exact same copy of the old Renegade website? BTW: you won't need to edit the tables if we work in PHP. There'll be a nice backoffice.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-18T11:09:04-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Yeah, we want to keep it old-school -- I'm pretty confident I can get support for this from EA, but stay tuned.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-02-18T11:20:45-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: It seems we have talented people here, I will sum up the project tomorrow or during the week and so you can know what kind of skills or people we need for the project. And as Crimson said, we might get the whole old website and customize it. So stay tuned.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-18T14:29:49-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Great Idea! I think this would definetly boost ren! Then XWIS can support it, maybe link off thier page etc
creator: trooprm02
date: 2006-02-18T19:55:13-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: trooprm02 wrote on Sat, 18 February 2006 13:55 Great Idea! I think this would definetly boost ren! Then XWIS can support it, maybe link off thier page etc NO SHIT!! that would really help the ren community all ya need now is some HTML experts all i know is how to change the colour of fonts with the HTML code
creator: SCOTT9
date: 2006-02-18T20:10:29-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Goztow wrote on Sat, 18 February 2006 04:37 I also speak French, which might come out handy. Leave that part to real francophones, please.
creator: Aprime
date: 2006-02-18T20:35:07-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: he is a real as me. Pigé? ok alors fais pas chier. ^^
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-19T05:22:09-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: lol Renardin
creator: nopol10
date: 2006-02-19T05:44:00-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: hey, was someone maniac enough to make a full backup of the ren's website?
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-19T16:27:06-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: gotta check my old pc (no, realy, i think i did).
creator: Mad Ivan
date: 2006-02-19T19:01:45-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Hmm, is there any chance we could find the old ren site in an online archive?
creator: TD
date: 2006-02-19T22:03:14-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: http://www.westwoodstudios.com/games/ccuniverse/renegade/eng lish/backstory.html
creator: Demolition man
date: 2006-02-19T23:26:11-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I already posted the renegade website on a previous link. The whole thing is there, just have to download it manually.
creator: Oblivion165
date: 2006-02-19T23:42:18-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Yeah, only the menu is missing AFAIK.
creator: TD
date: 2006-02-20T00:13:06-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I got everything. I will finish it for next weekend. I HAVE ALL. http://www.cncreborn.planetcnc.gamespy.com/renpage/index.htm l and I can customize it. It works Now I need to rework all the pages and upload them somewhere else with Crimson. I already fixed the forum link on the menu as a test, I will fix the rest. It should be done for next week and with renguard and mods added on the menu.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-20T02:42:30-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: dunno, the menu doesnt appear for me. I am Using FireFox. And the "Back To Top" link doesnt work
creator: Mad Ivan
date: 2006-02-20T03:19:53-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: All works on IE, all buttons fixed.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-20T03:51:10-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Doesn't display the left menu in Opera. Failed validation, 133 errors on the W3C compliance checker. You can either copy EA's site, or you can do it right. EA make crap sites.
creator: light
date: 2006-02-20T06:20:38-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Nice work, though many links don't work, probably because we don't have the module (analyse your computer, the different languages, ...). I'm willing to have a look at the code to make it work in firefox. I kind of agree with Light here: let's make it work for everyone . OMG: just checked the code, it uses div's. Firefox so hates div's. Nice job though. Do you also have the backoffice for it? I guess not, this is probably pure html. So there's still quite some stuff we can do for it. We'll talk.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-20T09:41:48-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Great job and nice work on the sidebar (I remember it was gone) but maybe you could fix the links cause they always lead to the westwood site. anyway.
creator: nopol10
date: 2006-02-20T09:54:40-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Right now the site only works in Internet Explorer, It is not finished. I do not remember him saying it was either. He worked very hard on this all day, It's starting to really shape up.
creator: Spice
date: 2006-02-20T10:15:20-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: if you look at the menu, you will see that I added CnC Reborn and also added Renguard at the bottom. The links work. And try the forum too... The rest of the links will be redirected once I copy all the page. The plan is: We fix the current main page code. Then we duplicate it with the content of the other pages of the original website. Once this is done, we update the flash menu and add new pages such as fan maps, renguard, blackhand studios, apb, swmod and everything about renegade like Renegade Wiki also. I will see with Goz how we can add a php script to post news on mainpage using the FUD forum so Crimson can make some of us 'news posters'. We will also need the athorization of EA and I am sure Crimson will get that for us.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-20T10:24:44-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Too wide. Opera Version 8.51 Nice going so far anyway, from the IE screenshots it looks quite good.
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2006-02-20T17:11:13-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Okay, I tried different types of codes and here is my problem: http://www.cncreborn.planetcnc.gamespy.com/renpage/test.html Open with IE and the menu is fine. If you refresh once, the first part of the menu become initializing. How can I fix that? And what code can make it works on firefox and opera? Here is the code used for the 5 tests: <OBJECT codeBase=http://download.macromedia.com/pub/shockwave/cabs/flash/swflash.cab#version=5,0,0,0 height=820 width=152 classid=clsid:D27CDB6E-AE6D-11cf-96B8-444553540000 <movie="nav_ext.swf"> Texte de remplacement
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-20T17:18:41-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Nevermind, tchutch from cncsaga found the problem. It's inside the animation file. When I open the files from my HDD on Firefox, IE or Opera, everything is fine. It's the way the menu call the text file that gives us the problem. We are working on a fix.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-20T19:11:13-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Anyway, can follow here the progression of the final product. http://www.cncreborn.planetcnc.gamespy.com/renfinal/ I am at Backstory pages. Still much to do, jesus that will be long The menu still needs a hero to be fixed the problem is on the flash anim file.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-20T20:16:17-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Awesome!
creator: idebo
date: 2006-02-20T21:20:43-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I'm figuring out a way to link the news to a subforum of renegadeforums.com . It ain't all that hard, but I'll need some info later on. Am testing with a local fud forum install now.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-20T22:03:13-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Links aren't showing up in the sidebar, Firefox 1.5
creator: bandie63
date: 2006-02-20T22:36:06-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: bandie63 wrote on Mon, 20 February 2006 17:36 Links aren't showing up in the sidebar, Firefox 1.5 O rly? Did you read my post?
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-21T06:44:26-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Goztow wrote on Mon, 20 February 2006 15:03 I'm figuring out a way to link the news to a subforum of renegadeforums.com . It ain't all that hard, but I'll need some info later on. Am testing with a local fud forum install now. FUDAPI is your friend.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-02-21T07:25:19-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Crimson wrote on Tue, 21 February 2006 02:25 Goztow wrote on Mon, 20 February 2006 15:03 I'm figuring out a way to link the news to a subforum of renegadeforums.com . It ain't all that hard, but I'll need some info later on. Am testing with a local fud forum install now. FUDAPI is your friend. Donno what FUDapi is but I already did it myself . It's easier scripting your own scripts if you need to implement them in an existing website. And it won't contain unnecessary stuff .
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-21T07:49:47-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Left links don't work, Opera 8.5. Lets examine this site shall we. It requires Javascript, which it shouldn't. A site with JavaScript should still work fine without JavaScript. It only works in IE, which it shouldn't. It has no DOCTYPE, or other proper syntax, so is unlikely to work on multiple browsers. (As is the case right now) Your using FONT tags, which you shouldn't. (As far as I know, Firefox handles divs fine, it behaves like opera does, it's IE thats bad) Just look at this: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cncreborn .planetcnc.gamespy.com%2Frenfinal%2F if this doesn't show up green, then your site isn't a valid web page at all, browsers can only compensate a certain amount for bad markup.
creator: light
date: 2006-02-21T09:25:22-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: problem with the menu is most likely due to deprecated actionscript functions being used. as judges by the source code, the flash version was 5. current version is 8. although 8 is still backwards compatible with Actionscript 1 (flash8 uses actionscript2) i have witnessed several instances where flash 5 AS1 syntax was read as malformed syntax in flash 8 AS2
creator: DreamWraith
date: 2006-02-21T11:48:46-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: light wrote on Tue, 21 February 2006 03:25 Left Just look at this: http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cncreborn .planetcnc.gamespy.com%2Frenfinal%2F if this doesn't show up green, then your site isn't a valid web page at all, browsers can only compensate a certain amount for bad markup. Actually, since there is no DOCTYPE specified in the meta of the page, the w3c checker uses a default strict type. Therefore, as i looked through that page, many of the so-called errors, are simply things that were compliant, but, are not valid HTML 4.01 Transitional
creator: DreamWraith
date: 2006-02-21T11:51:18-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: NEWSFLASH: we just started with this website. Other news: this is the website as Westwood put it up in 2002. Ofcourse it gives problems and it is badly scripted for firefox which didn't exist or which existed in another form that was hardly used. The real question is: do we want to keep the original with these problems or make a new one which looks like it but will never be 100 % the same. I'm going to clean up the code, but we don't have teh flash file and the swf is protected against opening with Flash. So IMO you can already forget about modifying the flash to make it work. Someone could redo from scratch but it will never be the same, everyone knows that. Now this is clear, we will ask for help and let's start with this. If anyone has a good SWF 2 FLA (flash decompiler), full version (the demo doesn't do the trick) then please do PM me and/or renardin6. Maybe we can then at least get a flash-file which we can modify slightly so maybe we get a chance to make it work in Firefox. Don't forget this whole thing is also copyrighted. EA may give permission to use it be to change files? Might be another problem...
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-21T12:33:50-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: hey light, thank you for your comment but we know what you say. It's under work. (that means it's not final or finished. And the main problem is the flash anim, as offline, even the flash works on firefox 1.5 and opera 8.5 -> http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=getfile&id=731 &private=0 )
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-21T12:38:11-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Goztow wrote on Tue, 21 February 2006 12:33 NEWSFLASH: we just started with this website. Other news: this is the website as Westwood put it up in 2002. Ofcourse it gives problems and it is badly scripted for firefox which didn't exist or which existed in another form that was hardly used. The real question is: do we want to keep the original with these problems or make a new one which looks like it but will never be 100 % the same. I'm going to clean up the code, but we don't have teh flash file and the swf is protected against opening with Flash. So IMO you can already forget about modifying the flash to make it work. Someone could redo from scratch but it will never be the same, everyone knows that. Now this is clear, we will ask for help and let's start with this. If anyone has a good SWF 2 FLA (flash decompiler), full version (the demo doesn't do the trick) then please do PM me and/or renardin6. Maybe we can then at least get a flash-file which we can modify slightly so maybe we get a chance to make it work in Firefox. Don't forget this whole thing is also copyrighted. EA may give permission to use it be to change files? Might be another problem... Stop being such an arrogant little shit. Light was simply pointing out problems not slating the website.
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2006-02-21T18:13:00-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I was kinda slating it. I thought because of the 'renfinal' folder on the last URL you thought you were nearing completion. If your gonna fix it up thats fine. (I'm willing to help if ya want, but no-one has approached me)
creator: light
date: 2006-02-21T20:17:25-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: thx for the submission, we need someone who is a genius of flash and could crack and make it work online and not only offline. I sent the files to Silent_Kane. I am sure he will find a way.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-21T22:52:16-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I mention FUDAPI because it will ensure compatibility through database changes and upgrades over time. If you're just querying the database it's POSSIBLE that one day it could break.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-02-22T01:54:34-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Crimson wrote on Tue, 21 February 2006 20:54 I mention FUDAPI because it will ensure compatibility through database changes and upgrades over time. If you're just querying the database it's POSSIBLE that one day it could break. I finished the script now and implemented it in the website. I google'd fudapi but didn't really find anything useful. The script is made in a way that small changes should be picked up. It is linked with the configuration file of your FUD forum that you had to fill in when you set the forum up. Only in case of big changes in the database, you might have problems. I'm not sure how fudapi works but I fail to see how fudapi could preview these without an update of its system, seeing as the fud forums themselves aren't made to be able to preview it without large code changes. Thanks for the hints though! And more info on fudapi is welcome . Another question: does anyone think it's useful to replace the javascript with php that does the same thing?
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-22T07:48:57-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Goztow wrote on Wed, 22 February 2006 20:48 Another question: does anyone think it's useful to replace the javascript with php that does the same thing? Server-side is always better than client side.
creator: light
date: 2006-02-22T09:35:09-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: light wrote on Wed, 22 February 2006 04:35 Goztow wrote on Wed, 22 February 2006 20:48 Another question: does anyone think it's useful to replace the javascript with php that does the same thing? Server-side is always better than client side. Then so be it .
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-22T09:37:36-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Well, what I should say is "Use server side unless it's use would cause the server to become overloaded." For e-commerce it makes sense to validate forms client-side, to save server load, but for a site like this, server-side shouldn't cause any problems, and will be accessible to those without Javascript.
creator: light
date: 2006-02-22T22:09:07-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: light, I completely disagree with you on about 6 different levels. Today's Web servers can handle any form or request you send them, along with thousands of others simultaneously; there is absolutely no reason to script something client side to "take the load off the server". The primary reason for client side validation is to ensure that the client is doing its job.. the client is half of the equation in a client/server environment, we don't live in the era of dumb terminals anymore. There is no reason that a client can't take care of its own information: it can display it, it can validate it, it can tell you when you haven't completed something or completed it incorrectly. If you want to be proactive in ensuring data integrity, it's the clients responsibility to make sure that they're only sending in what the server expects to see. Your thinking is along the same lines as developers in the late 1990's - early 2000's: "We have to make sure that we don't exclude anyone in the world that may want to view our Web page." You know what? technology expands, and the primary reason is because those same users expect to see something interesting, and something that will keep them coming back. We're no longer creating pages which fit in a 640x480 window so our Web TV friends can see it too.. if they're using Web TV: fuck'em. I'm not going to limit my creativity to make sure the 0.15% of the population can see my page the same way everyone else sees it. The browser makers have worked hard to perfect the DOM, to make it easy to access and manipulate data on the client side easily.. but you know what? You have to use JavaScript right along with it.. you can't just go "poof", and it's definately poor design to make a server call just to change something on your page. Developers are working hard to make it easy for you and I to make dynamic, interactive Web sites which keep our viewers coming back for more. If you don't intend on embracing that technology, you might as well set y…
creator: msgtpain
date: 2006-02-23T02:35:23-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: msgtpain wrote on Thu, 23 February 2006 15:35 light, I completely disagree with you on about 6 different levels. Today's Web servers can handle any form or request you send them, along with thousands of others simultaneously; there is absolutely no reason to script something client side to "take the load off the server". I don't have any stats to back up my opinion on that, so I won't argue it. msgtpain wrote on Thu, 23 February 2006 15:35 The primary reason for client side validation is to ensure that the client is doing its job.. the client is half of the equation in a client/server environment, we don't live in the era of dumb terminals anymore. We are moving back that way, look at Citrix or other systems that use virtualisation. You centralise the maintenance to the servers. It's one way to do it. msgtpain wrote on Thu, 23 February 2006 15:35 There is no reason that a client can't take care of its own information: it can display it, it can validate it, it can tell you when you haven't completed something or completed it incorrectly. If you want to be proactive in ensuring data integrity, it's the clients responsibility to make sure that they're only sending in what the server expects to see. And clients without Javascript? Clients who disable it? Clients without Flash? You alienate them, or force them to use the medium you choose. msgtpain wrote on Thu, 23 February 2006 15:35 Your thinking is along the same lines as developers in the late 1990's - early 2000's: "We have to make sure that we don't exclude anyone in the world that may want to view our Web page." People still believe that today. I work in an organistion that believes that exact statement. Where I live dial-up is still rife, so are 800x600 screens. I don't expect everyone to have Broadband and a 1204+ to experience my site proerly. msgtpain wrote on Thu, 23 February 2006 15:35 You know what? technology expands, and the primary reason is because those same users expect to see something interesting, a…
creator: light
date: 2006-02-23T03:44:21-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Why make a new post? you've given them all your opinions as to why they should code the site one way, I've given you all mine as to why they should let their creativity flow. We're both still talking about the Web page this thread was created for.
creator: msgtpain
date: 2006-02-23T03:48:22-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Most times I get into an argument it tends to last a good 2 or 3 pages, I didn't want to clutter this thread. But if your happy to leave it as it is this can officially be the most polite argument i've had online.
creator: light
date: 2006-02-23T06:37:04-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: The website's design WILL NOT CHANGE. It's a choice that was made at the very start. The only thing that will change is the coding and actually making it work as good as possible. However, I still doubt that we'll be able to make the Flash work in Firefox as we simply do not have the source file (.fla). So there could possibly be made a Firefox version, how much I myself would hate to see that happen because I mainly agree with Light on this subject. Make it nice but make it work for as many persons as possible. So the work on this site is rather technical than redesign.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-23T07:41:30-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Well, I don't think it would be entirely fatal to just use images for the links using the same font as the Flash file. We lose the 'cool' cursor but it's a sacrifice I don't see as being a big deal.
creator: Crimson
date: 2006-02-23T08:47:57-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I think I could get pretty close to that left nav with pure CSS and the background image. The left down-arrows should be fine to add, and you could have a "nav" div, with ul li and ul ul li styles applied to them. I can try it once I get back to uni (next week, busy this weekend), but there is no point me putting in the work if you won't use it. As for the cursor, can it be done in Javascript?
creator: light
date: 2006-02-23T09:41:00-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: well I agree with crimson, but light, if you do the menu, go for it if it's good,we will use it of course
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-23T09:46:17-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I think we could just have the background and put small table columns on it that change color when hovering (CSS). Light, maybe you can add me in MSN and if I haven't gotten to it by next week yet, we can contact eachother . All help/ideas are welcome.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-23T10:39:08-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Ok goz, make me the index.html or php (whatever) ready with all files needed and comments, and from 03 march to 16 march, I am on vacancy, I will then finish the whole site. Just make the first page ready with the good code, I will handle the rest. Light, go with your menu, just make is tool as close as possible to the one we had for the old website and I will add or change the categories. So if you make one title + one subtitle, I can handle the rest. I have the whole backup. For the flash, Silent_Kane is the last hope.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-23T17:37:23-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Goztow wrote on Thu, 23 February 2006 23:39 I think we could just have the background and put small table columns on it that change color when hovering (CSS). Light, maybe you can add me in MSN and if I haven't gotten to it by next week yet, we can contact eachother . All help/ideas are welcome. I don't give out my MSN freely, but you can have my GTalk, or Gizmo ID. Or find me on irc.fnfall.com. As for the tables, whilst it would work, strictly speaking, tales are for tabular data, they aren't the best way to do layout. I will try without them, see how well I can get it to work.
creator: light
date: 2006-02-23T20:58:53-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Hmm. I decompiled it, and there doesnt seem to be problems at first glance. Don't have time to have a good look at it, plus i'm a bit rusty on actionscripy. The actual load command is 'loadVariablesNum("navinit.txt ", 0);', would the spaces mess it up? edit: theres a load of spaces between navinit.txt and ", 0);', but it doesn't show. It probably is messed up elsewhere, because it does look like its accesing the variables loaded onto level 0. The actual bug might be in the actual drawing part (frame 6)
creator: kopaka649
date: 2006-02-24T00:59:50-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I took a day off wednesday to finish what I want to do with it. You'll get the front page and an inside page if you like. It could be that we want some inside pages. I just want to split the file into several files which will make it much easier to edit content later on. This takes time if we want to do it correctly so please don't hurry things . You should be able to get what you asked by the 3th though. Kpoka, could you get a closer look into the actionscript? I also decompiled it but I don't know anything about actionscripts .
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-24T07:40:27-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: yeah, possible but can you explain this: When I launch the website with the flash menu from my HDD (so offline), it works on IE, Firefox 1.5 & Opera 8.52. So why is it f*cked online? Frame 6 you say? Well if someone can go deeper in the code or redo the whole first page using the flash menu, then we could have maybe the bug resolved.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-24T07:43:44-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Renardin6 wrote on Fri, 24 February 2006 02:43 yeah, possible but can you explain this: When I launch the website with the flash menu from my HDD (so offline), it works on IE, Firefox 1.5 & Opera 8.52. So why is it f*cked online? Frame 6 you say? Well if someone can go deeper in the code or redo the whole first page using the flash menu, then we could have maybe the bug resolved. I noticed it keeps waiting for a reply of the website for a long time. This makes me think that Firefox doesn't like the link to the file once it is online. Maybe if we could change the link in stead of xxx.txt to the complete adress http://www.xxx.com/xxx.txt ? Just guessing. Strange thing, when I put it on my local website (localhost) it also loads the flash file without problems.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-24T07:46:24-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Possibly a presmissions setting. Browsers are happier to lower their security settings for local content.
creator: light
date: 2006-02-26T00:27:39-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: The menu also doesnt work with FireFox for me. When I first visited the offical site, around 2003 everything worked on IE. But in 2004 it got corrupted and I coulden't see the menu even while using IE.
creator: Ma1kel
date: 2006-02-26T14:51:42-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Little update: I finish my recoding and the new menu wednesday. My work is 95 % done now, just to need check and recheck.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-27T07:47:48-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Does this mean your not interested in me completing the CSS-based menu?
creator: light
date: 2006-02-27T09:58:06-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: light wrote on Mon, 27 February 2006 04:58 Does this mean your not interested in me completing the CSS-based menu? Up to renardin to decide, I'm only doing the stuff he asked me to do. I'm going to send him everything and then he'll do whatever he needs to do with it. I think it would be very useful if you took a look at it, but the contact ways you gave me don't permit me to get in contact with you, knowing I only have IRC of that list and I won't idle in a channel for hours knowing that we live in very different timezones. PM your mail or MSN and I'll let you have a look. (can't do it now, am at work)
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-27T10:06:03-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: My work in progress: If anyone knows the font they use, i'd appreciate it. It's not as flashy as the Flash one (duh), but it will be accessible by all browsers. (Right now the spacing in IE is out, this shot is from opera with firefox looking the same. Edit. Ok, here is a second WIP that gives a better idea. The background image is just a .jpg now (1 pixel wide, 14 high), but I am wondering if someone wants to make a GIF version, and I can see if i can get it to work, so it looks 'live'. (The first frame will have to be the brightest one, else people with gif animation disabled with have issues)
creator: light
date: 2006-02-28T05:46:54-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I tried animated GIF, it is impossible. GIF doesn't support half transparancy, making the effect that is used by the flash impossible.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-02-28T09:06:10-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: That true, but I can use CSS to set it as the background image, thus creating the illusion. It won't look exactly the same, but this is CSS, not Flash.
creator: light
date: 2006-02-28T09:15:50-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: can you show a preview?
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-02-28T17:43:24-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: The fix for the menu problem is very simple. It appears that Firefox/Opera don't like to retrieve files ending in %20 from a remote web server, while IE just chops off the %20's. I give you my fix for it. http://crunge.org/lee/ren/nav_ext.swf I simply hex edited the file to replace the %20's with -'s. So all you have to do is rename the navinit.txt file to: navinit.txt----------------------------------- And use my hexed nav_ext.swf.(link above duh) Then it should work perfectly as now Firefox/Opera don't get a 404 when requesting the file. There may be an even better way to get it to work, but this is a quick and dirty fix. Also if you would like my assistance for any other issues or problems regarding any web development problems feel free to join irc.crunge.org #crunge as I am always there. I also idle around on n00bstories irc so you may find me there too. Enjoy!
creator: pvtschlag
date: 2006-03-02T05:30:23-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Ow, great work! Very nice indeed! I'll test it out tonight and insert in the website.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-03-02T07:45:35-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: pvtschlag wrote on Wed, 01 March 2006 23:30 The fix for the menu problem is very simple. It appears that Firefox/Opera don't like to retrieve files ending in %20 from a remote web server, while IE just chops off the %20's. I give you my fix for it. http://www.sspanzercrew.com/lee/ren/nav_ext.swf I simply hex edited the file to replace the %20's with -'s. So all you have to do is rename the navinit.txt file to: navinit.txt----------------------------------- And use my hexed nav_ext.swf.(link above duh) Then it should work perfectly as now Firefox/Opera don't get a 404 when requesting the file. There may be an even better way to get it to work, but this is a quick and dirty fix. Also if you would like my assistance for any other issues or problems regarding any web development problems feel free to join irc.crunge.org #crunge as I am always there. I also idle around on n00bstories irc so you may find me there too. Enjoy! WOW. THANK YOU SO MUCH! Interested in beta test of cnc reborn? I will ask the team if we can add you to beta testers.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-03-02T10:10:12-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Thanks, I'd love to beta test it.
creator: pvtschlag
date: 2006-03-02T13:43:27-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Regsiter on our forum first. Anyway, here is something I found on the old renegade website:
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-03-02T20:43:59-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I am already registered on them. And that is funny.
creator: pvtschlag
date: 2006-03-02T20:45:19-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: gah i was gunna do this when i was trying to remake the renegade beta all i finished was the beta sign up webpage.. i still have it if anyone wants it i *might* be able to help with the test your computer to see if ren runs thingy *cough*decom*cough*pile*cough*
creator: ben5015se
date: 2006-03-03T03:26:08-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: lol that picture is both funny and disturbing at the same time!
creator: Feetseek
date: 2006-03-03T03:34:29-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Well since the flash is working I guess my menu thing isn't needed. I would like you guys to include and alternate way to navigate the site for those without Flash. Putting something as important as navigation in flash isn't recommended without some sort of fallback option.
creator: light
date: 2006-03-03T03:34:38-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I agree with light. There should be something that replaces the flash menu in case the browser does not have the Flash Player installed. Possibly his CSS menu could replace it in this case.
creator: pvtschlag
date: 2006-03-03T03:57:53-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: We're not talking about the CNFN Retirement Benifit Information Web site here.. it's a game site where 99.9% of all users are between the ages of 12-30 and have spent the last 15 years on the Internet.... They have Flash.. I promise.
creator: msgtpain
date: 2006-03-03T04:40:02-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: Recoding is done now. I sent it to renardin who will send it to Crimson I suppose. After some first testing, I'll modify where needed.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-03-03T09:29:29-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: msgtpain wrote on Fri, 03 March 2006 17:40 We're not talking about the CNFN Retirement Benifit Information Web site here.. it's a game site where 99.9% of all users are between the ages of 12-30 and have spent the last 15 years on the Internet.... They have Flash.. I promise. Pft, yeah right. I know Renegade players who can't take screenshots, how are they supposed to install Flash? It doesn't come as standard, and a few won't even know what it is, let alone where to get it and how to install it. You could deliberately exclude them for not having Flash, but thats not really fair is it? (Then there are the 56kers, there are plenty still out there, and those who disable Flash by default, like myself)
creator: light
date: 2006-03-03T10:05:44-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: if you disable flash intentionally, then you are the one at fault, not the developer.. You know what it is, you know what you're missing, and you chose that path. If you publish the swf and the html file, then copy the basic code from that html file in to your own document, the embed tag ingeniously points you to the cab file on the macromedia server.. so if, as you say, they are dumb enough to not know what flash is, the web page itself will direct them to macromedia's site to install it.. it's not rocket science.
creator: msgtpain
date: 2006-03-03T10:57:30-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: The swf is 47 KB, no problem for 56k'ers i think. If Flash doesn't work, it will give you a link to where you can download the free player. Anyway, the choice is up to Crimson I guess as I made a config file where you can easely setup many thing, one being the coice to use Flash or not.
creator: Goztow
date: 2006-03-03T11:15:25-00:00

Re: Renegade Website
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description: I will start to rebuild the whole website from your files and believe me, I will use flash only for the menu. 47kb isn't a big deal as said. I don't care is somebody is cheap enough to not download 47kb... And who the f*ck(sorry) is still using a 56k modem nowadays?
creator: Renardin6
date: 2006-03-03T11:36:13-00:00