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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HFJ6T3ZW Someone felt it necessary to distribute the alpha all over the Internet. More download links should appear soon! The file is a PKG (Just like mods from three years ago!) and runs in a singleplayer LAN game, or over the Internet against those who have it.
Lock it for what? This doesn't violate forum rules. I've done nothing that I haven't done before in this forum you stupid newbie...
Aircraftkiller wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 21:53 Lock it for what? This doesn't violate forum rules. I've done nothing that I haven't done before in this forum you stupid newbie... An ellipsis at the end of a sentence requires four (4) periods....
Quote: If the ellipsis comes at the end of a sentence, many grammarians insist that it should be followed by a period. But this is a grammatical rule, not a typographical one, and it’s broken quite often. It’s not a rule I follow. If you do opt to add the period, you may need to manually kern it so that it is spaced equally with the other dots in the ellipsis. In many fonts, you won’t have to worry about it, but this isn’t always the case. In some fonts, the period may appear too close to the ellipsis, in which case it should be kerned...or deleted altogether. When creating an ellipsis, you should consider adding a small amount of space (via your application’s kerning commands) before and after it, or no space at all. The normal space created with the Space Bar is too wide to place before an ellipsis, although it is okay to place a full space after it if it appears at the end of a sentence.
So who wants to have a game
I am? I didn't know I was fungal slime because I exp0sed them for being the liars they are. Go try it out and see how "done" they really are.
ill have a game once the download finishes. If it goes fast enough....
Done? Doesn't alpha mean the first playable build?
Yeah, it does. It's funny that their first playable build takes them over a year to make, isn't it?
Good point, this release does suck pretty bad. Reminds me of that one from the same time around December of 2003...
Aircraftkiller wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 19:47 http://www.megaupload.com/?d=HFJ6T3ZW Someone felt it necessary to distribute the alpha all over the Internet. More download links should appear soon! The file is a PKG (Just like mods from three years ago!) and runs in a singleplayer LAN game, or over the Internet against those who have it. Asshole, nothing describes you better. I know I won't be downloading it. I can personally wait for Reborn to finish their work and publish it.
The one where you tried to uninstall it and it broke Renegade, making you reinstall Renegade?
No, the one that made you reformat your computer since it destroyed all your data on a Windows system.
Aircraftkiller wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 20:19 No, the one that made you reformat your computer since it destroyed all your data on a Windows system. Why don't you share with everyone here how you got this release? Was it another "legal" entry?
Ack, you are so retarded. I feel sorry for that dunce hat you have to wear. It's probably sick and tired of you.
This one is legal, too. Prove it isn't somehow, I'd like to see you do it since it's impossible to do so. Aurora and I are talking about the last Reborn public release that's found on websites such as www.cnc-source.com and www.planetcnc.com
genetix wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 21:21 Aircraftkiller wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 20:19 No, the one that made you reformat your computer since it destroyed all your data on a Windows system. Why don't you share with everyone here how you got this release? Was it another "legal" entry? As stated in another topic, it was given to him by one of the members of the Reborn team.
Aurora wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 21:14 Define playable. Honestly, do you think this is ALL our team has done in the past 2 years? Recheck your sources Ass Crack Filler, this beta is over a month old, and we've progressed from it.
Uh... I'm not Aircraftkiller, why did you quote me? In response, Why are you already defending this release? I haven't played it or seen any screenshots from it, but for some reason you already are paniced enough to be saying things like "we've progressed from it". Why are you so scared that people will this is what the mod is like?
Quoted the wrong post. Damn I hate this forum system.
Quote: do you think this is ALL our team has done in the past 2 years? Yes; you can't prove otherwise since you have nothing to show yet, otherwise you would have. Quote: Recheck your sources, this beta is over a month old, and we've progressed from it. I checked my sources, you can thank Pendumbass for the forum access and the access to the internal alpha. Your alpha is over a month old? If you progressed so far, I guess the most you've done is add that GDI Barracks... Whoopee.
Meh, I can't say I trust an Alpha, I barely trust Betas as it is. As for the Reborn team, this is a good demonstration of how much some people want this game to come out, and you are fueling this desire by posting tid-bits of screenshots and videos. ACK has just seen an opportunity and gone for it, not unlike him really. I don't see the point myself, but everyone needs a hobby.
Buggies are part of the Black Hand, a shitload of stuff causes crashing, the textures are horrible and pixelated, toilets are huge. But I like the reflections on the silos in Facility.
Aircraftkiller you hypocritical bastard. I love how when you leak something that a team has made, its ok! But God forbid when I recieve a sub test from RenAlert, I get TONS of shit for it. I obviously know I'm not very liked around here, but I dont give a shit. What you did was wrong, and now you have sunken to my level. You sir, are an asshole! Welcome aboard!!
I've always been an asshole to people I don't like; is that any different from anyone else here? But thanks for the congratulations Deadaim.
Aircraftkiller wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 20:18 is that any different from anyone else here? Yes... i like my asshole. So only 85% to go... its still going to rock! Instead of criticizing the game and all their hard work, why not offer your professional help?
Aurora wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 21:23 And you're so canadian That is something I cannot deny.
After trying things out for a bit, I'm actually kind of impressed by the walking animation on the Wolverine. It needs some work I think, but the animation lines up well with the speed of the vehicle, as long as you don't back up. For an alpha test, that's pretty good.
How do I install this so it doesn't make me reformat my harddrive?
We've been playing reborn for like the last three hours.
Check out the wolverine doing the moonwalk to perfection here. Background music is of course Thriller. Video by Aircraftkiller
NeoSaber wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 22:50 After trying things out for a bit, I'm actually kind of impressed by the walking animation on the Wolverine. It needs some work I think, but the animation lines up well with the speed of the vehicle, as long as you don't back up. For an alpha test, that's pretty good. Seconded. Although the wolverine did make the PKG crash it was pretty good for the 5 or so seconds I had with it. The rest of the stuff is quite nice. The infantry models are rigged pretty well, the weapon anims are awesome. The vehicles other than the buggy and GDI APC are good too. Would've liked to try the Titan though.
You can't actually see where you're shooting with the wolverine if you're trying to shoot at something on the same z axis as you just fyi
The animations are sub-par. You can tell where the sound doesn't sync up with a few, and some are just Renegade weapon reload animations copied over. It's not very impressive at all.
The wolverine animation should be preserved. It does the perfect moonwalk. They couldn't get it better even if they tried.
Some of the infantry could use attention. Nod Rocket Soldier: Nod Technician: Just thought I'd mention it...
Renx wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 23:53 Check out the wolverine doing the moonwalk to perfection here. Background music is of course Thriller. Video by Aircraftkiller Dude that movie rocks. Except for the whole slamming into a wall thing, that was perfect.
>If anyone wants, I'le be hosting this map for awhile under the nickname A00000016, Kamuix something will be in there. Its there right now!. Although my guy will be in there. It should be there for a few days. Sry about the double posts.
The link isn't working anymore. Not sure whether this is good or bad..I would've liked to see it for myself, but for the sake of the Reborn team maybe it's better this way...
NeoSaber wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 00:22 Some of the infantry could use attention. Nod Rocket Soldier: Looks like the alien dudes from the movie "Arrival" Anyhow, you guys realize that all you are doing is advertising for Reborn, and people are downloading it and liking it, especially since its only an alpha
Fobby wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 19:28 Quoted the wrong post. Damn I hate this forum system. Because you decided to quote a post, clicked the WRONG "quote" button, and even SAW the post you didn't mean to quote in the text box... you somehow blame the FORUM SYSTEM for your error? Get a clue, dude. Seriously. Regarding this leak, I am not pleased. I will be discussing with Blazer regarding what we're going to do about this. And for the ones who private messaged me on IRC things like "Is that the kind of user you want on the Renegade Public Forums? ... I hope you do the right thing this time." You are also welcome to board the bus to the clue factory. You think I'm just going to jump for joy when you are essentially posting "OMG how dare you allow people to post on a forum without moderating by hand each and every single post?" You think I'm going to take you seriously? Guess again.
Indeed the infantry were quite faulty in that test. I fixed them a month or so ago. That is the main reason no nod infantry had been included in that test, espcially the ones that you shown. Which are the rocket infantry and technician. It's nice you are trying to help us fix problems but we have fixed a lot of the major problems since the date of that test.
You submitted it to "Copyright depot." Nice one.
EXdeath7 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 11:18 Indeed the infantry were quite faulty in that test. I fixed them a month or so ago. That is the main reason no nod infantry had been included in that test, espcially the ones that you shown. Which are the rocket infantry and technician. Maybe its just my own obsessive compulsive nature when it comes to fixing problems, but why even stick a model like those two soldiers in the test .pkg? I always check an infantry's rigging in W3Dviewer before adding it to even an internal alpha test. A flaw like that would send me into a headspin and I'd probably stop everything else and fix it before I continued. (When I saw the nod technician I actually jumped back from my computer screen going "What the F... Is that a mantis?!") My own little example: Renegade Alert's Allied Sergeant had a few minor, but noticable, errors in the rigging when it was sent to me. I wouldn't even let that slide for an internal test, I re-rigged the whole model from scratch immediately to fix the problems. I'm probably just crazy though... Renardin6 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 12:14 Now I bring your attention on this: http://www.copyrightdepot.com/rep74/00038617.htm Use translator if you can't understand. Files were also sent for the deposit. Are you trying to say the alpha test is copyrighted, even though it included this: character definitions.txt Character Prefix Naming Author: Joe Strateger ( Exdeath7 ) Date Started: August 16, 2005 Last Updated: August 17, 2005 Description: What is this? This is a basic reference for people digging around in our always.dat. Basically made for easy reference to the files of what the characters are labeled when I exported and compiled them. This contains the file names of the w3d format of our character files and their textures in dds format. Great for people just looking to edit textures to their own accord. Remember the W3D engine will read Texture files in either Truevision Advanced Raster Graphics Adapter (TARGA) or Direct Draw Surface format (DDS). Enjoy! The .txt file pretty much screams "Pick the mod apart! I'll even tell you how!"
Sure, I don't see a problem with that. You can contact me on MSN at DeathAX@Hotmail.com
See, Ack loves Reborn so much he just can't wait to share it with the rest of the community. I won't be downloading it.
The file was deleted, or the link to the file is in-correct. Just to clear that out.
Crimson wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 14:02 Fobby wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 19:28 Quoted the wrong post. Damn I hate this forum system. Because you decided to quote a post, clicked the WRONG "quote" button, and even SAW the post you didn't mean to quote in the text box... you somehow blame the FORUM SYSTEM for your error? Get a clue, dude. Seriously. Crimson, I hate to tell you you're wrong, but Fobby is right -- these forums do suck ass. The quote button for the current post doesn't belong at the bottom of the current post: all other active forums that I have seen have the quote button for the current post at the top of the post. Not only that, but all other decent forums that I visit also have the person's profile info in a separate column, instead of the same column cluttering up post texts. As for seeing the post he didn't mean to quote, that would be his fault for not pre-reading the quote. *smacks Fobby* As for my comments on the topic at hand -- the Reborn internal alpha test... it is exactly that: an internal alpha test. That means that anyone which obtains the internal alpha test whom should not could be conducting illegal activity, whether or not the files are easily accessable, even if only hidden instead of protected. Aircraftkiller wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 15:23 This one is legal, too. Prove it isn't somehow, I'd like to see you do it since it's impossible to do so. While I highly doubt that this could escalate to criminal charges or something similar, I will point out that it has happened before, and in a high-stakes contest of the United States' politics. I point to: http://www.inthesetimes.com/site/main/article/403/ Quote: ... he and another staffer exploited a security lapse to view ... files Quote: Lundell (the purpetrator) became aware of the security lapse after seeing that a new system administrator working on his computer had neglected to change the default permission setting for new directories from open to protected. This meant that all personal directories of staffers, Republican and Democrat, created under his tenure were accessible to anyone. Eg, anyone can view the files, whether or not they had permission, without needing to pass any sort of protection, such as a password. As far as I am aware, that is exactly what has been done. The best quote for whoever leaked the alpha: Quote: But Joseph Metcalfe, a professor of law at the University of Oregon and former federal prosecutor specializing in computer crimes, disagrees. “Federal law prohibits intentionally accessing a computer without authorization or in excess of authorization,” he told In These Times. “It most certainly does not require hacking. If you access a government computer when you aren’t supposed to and obtain information, you’re potentially in violation of federal law. b]Simply because there’s a weakness or security hole doesn’t mean that exploiting that weakness isn’t criminal. [A burglar is guilty of burglary even if the front door is unlocked.[/b]”
icedog90 wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 21:19 You guys are so fucking immature. Well said.
xptek wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 13:14 You submitted it to "Copyright depot." Nice one. It's like the Home Depot of copyrighting.
Kanezor wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 15:22 Quote: But Joseph Metcalfe, a professor of law at the University of Oregon and former federal prosecutor specializing in computer crimes, disagrees. “Federal law prohibits intentionally accessing a computer without authorization or in excess of authorization,” he told In These Times. “It most certainly does not require hacking. If you access a government computer when you aren’t supposed to and obtain information, you’re potentially in violation of federal law. Simply because there’s a weakness or security hole doesn’t mean that exploiting that weakness isn’t criminal. A burglar is guilty of burglary even if the front door is unlocked.” Excellent point. And why do you have to submit it to copyright depot? As far as I know, everything that I've written in my life is copyrited, including this post. icedog90 wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 21:19 You guys are so fucking immature.
genetix wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 21:21 Aircraftkiller wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 20:19 No, the one that made you reformat your computer since it destroyed all your data on a Windows system. Why don't you share with everyone here how you got this release? Was it another "legal" entry? Since you quoted him I'm assuming your comment was about what he said in the quote, or else the quote was pointless: The build of Reborn that would format Win98 systems was the official release. He got it from their site like everybody else did. Comrade wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 21:54 Buggies are part of the Black Hand, a shitload of stuff causes crashing, the textures are horrible and pixelated, toilets are huge. But I like the reflections on the silos in Facility. Yeah, but I can't find those cacti anywhere in that room or level
I wonder...do you still get kicked out of and squished by your own vehicle when you try to deploy or un-deploy it? Is the Jump-Jet infantry still just normal infantry that jumps higher? Can you still fall into Blue Hell while transitioning from the surface to "underground" and back again? Is there still crashing triggered by ordinary, simple actions? Earth to Reborn: keep it in the oven until it's done. Nobody likes a half-baked cake.
rm5248 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 16:49 Kanezor wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 15:22 Quote: But Joseph Metcalfe, a professor of law at the University of Oregon and former federal prosecutor specializing in computer crimes, disagrees. “Federal law prohibits intentionally accessing a computer without authorization or in excess of authorization,” he told In These Times. “It most certainly does not require hacking. If you access a government computer when you aren’t supposed to and obtain information, you’re potentially in violation of federal law. Simply because there’s a weakness or security hole doesn’t mean that exploiting that weakness isn’t criminal. A burglar is guilty of burglary even if the front door is unlocked.” Excellent point. It might have been an excellent point, if there wasn't a .txt in the alpha that pretty much says people can do whatever they want with it and even points out the files most people would want to take. To use the quoted example, this is like someone leaving their house unlocked and then putting a sign in the window that says "Use what you want" and lists directions on where to find the valuable stuff in the house.
Crimson wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 09:02 Fobby wrote on Mon, 19 December 2005 19:28 Quoted the wrong post. Damn I hate this forum system. Because you decided to quote a post, clicked the WRONG "quote" button, and even SAW the post you didn't mean to quote in the text box... you somehow blame the FORUM SYSTEM for your error? Get a clue, dude. Seriously. Regarding this leak, I am not pleased. I will be discussing with Blazer regarding what we're going to do about this. And for the ones who private messaged me on IRC things like "Is that the kind of user you want on the Renegade Public Forums? ... I hope you do the right thing this time." You are also welcome to board the bus to the clue factory. You think I'm just going to jump for joy when you are essentially posting "OMG how dare you allow people to post on a forum without moderating by hand each and every single post?" You think I'm going to take you seriously? Guess again. Clue? Ass CracK should have been banned ages ago, when he first started flaming and messing up posts. Instead you decided to make him moderator in your IRC channel Really!! I have read only shit coming from him, and lots of it. If I was you I would have given him renguard, IRC and forums bans all over the place, ridding this comunity for good from this ass. I mean what if I started leaking BHS beta's like brenbot 1.42 or renguard server code for example? I'd bet i'd have a ban in no time... Anyway, from what i can see from the pics this mod truelly rocks and even this alpha should be way better then that amature stuff Ass CracK ever made.
Renardin6 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 17:47 Do we allow people to use those files? NO. Actually, yes, you did allow people when the file "character definitions.txt" was included in the alpha saying that anyone who found it was free to use what was inside. It even points out the names of the models and textures so people can easily find what they are looking for. Didn't you look at your own team's internal alpha? It says: character definitions.txt Character Prefix Naming Author: Joe Strateger ( Exdeath7 ) Date Started: August 16, 2005 Last Updated: August 17, 2005 Description: What is this? This is a basic reference for people digging around in our always.dat. Basically made for easy reference to the files of what the characters are labeled when I exported and compiled them. This contains the file names of the w3d format of our character files and their textures in dds format. Great for people just looking to edit textures to their own accord. Remember the W3D engine will read Texture files in either Truevision Advanced Raster Graphics Adapter (TARGA) or Direct Draw Surface format (DDS). Enjoy! Global Defense Initiative: Character Name: File Name Prefix: Texture00: Texture01: Texture02: Texture03: GDI Light Infantry: c_ag_gdi_inf.w3d c_gdi_infantry c_chromic* GDI Enginer: c_ag_gdi_eng.w3d c_gdi_enginer c_chromic* c_gdi_repair c_gdi_engpack GDI Bomb Specialist: c_ag_gdi_bsp.w3d c_gdi_bombspec c_gdi_bombpack c_chromic* GDI Officer c_ag_gdi_info.w3d c_gdi_officer c_chromic* GDI Commando: c_ag_gdi_com.w3d c_gdi_cando c_gdi_candopack c_chromic* Ghostalker c_ag_gdi_stkr.w3d c_gdi_ghostalker GDI Jumpjet c_ag_gdi_jump.w3d c_gdi_infantry c_gdi_jumppack c_chromic* GDI Medic c_ag_gdi_med.w3d c_gdi_medic c_gdi_medicpack c_chromic* Mutant c_ag_gdi_mtn.w3d c_gdi_mut GDI Rocket Soldier c_ag_gdi_rckt.w3d c_gdi_rocketsoldier c_chromic* GDI Tech c_ag_gdi_tech.w3d c_gdi_tech c_gdi_techpack c_chromic* Umagon c_ag_gdi_uma.w3d c_gdi_umagon *Note: Editing the c_chromic will change the effect of the glass on the gdi infantries glass textures, possibly disabling the specular lighting effect. Brotherhood of Nod Character Name: File Name Prefix: Texture00: Texture01: Nod Light Infantry c_ag_nod_inf.w3d c_nod_infantry Nod Cyborg Nod flame trooper c_ag_nod_flm.w3d c_nod_flame c_chromic Nod Rocket Soldier c_ag_nod_rckt.w3d c_nod_rocket_infantry Nod Chamelon Spy c_ag_nod_spy.w3d c_nod_chamspy Nod Enginer c_ag_nod_eng.w3d c_nod_enginer c_nod_repairarm Nod Technician c_ag_nod_tech.w3d c_nod_tech Nod Sniper c_ag_nod_snpr.w3d c_nod_sniper Lillith Hespiax c_ag_nod_lith.w3d c_nod_lillith Nod Elite Cadre c_ag_nod_cad.w3d c_nod_nodelite Cyborg Commando Devils Demolisher c_ag_nod_dem.w3d c_devils_demolisher Kerumib c_ag_nod_ker.w3d c_nod_Kerumib I changed the spacing a little so it was easier for me to read.
That only applies to team members seeing as it should only have been legally accessible to them in the first place.
Uhhh, hold on there, if the file was INCLUDED with the 'mod' it would mean that only their internal testers and their team members would ever see that txt file unless someone leaked it. It looks like 'people' in that txt refers to a spesific group (their testers&team) rather than the general public. Why? Since it was on their INTERNAL FORUM which you could only access I assume as a beta tester or a team member. I mean common, it's kind of a redundant point that it invites EVERYONE to take it apart since it was on their internal forum which the public shouldn't be allowed to access in the first place. It's like saying I'd be allowed to take apart RenGuard if I suddenly happened upon a new and unreleased version of it, just because the readme included with the file I'm not supposed to have in the first place happens to be written in way that it assumes it'll only be read by Blackhand Studios. Just my two cents on the matter. Edit: This was aimed at NeoSaber.
Admittedly, one could interpret it in different ways. Quote: This is a basic reference for people digging around in our always.dat It refers to "people" (general populace) digging through "our" (team reference) stuff. To me, that says anyone who finds it can use it if they want to. Granted someone could make the argument "people" refers to the team/testers, but by my reading of it, the .txt does distinguish between the team and the rest of us when it refers to "people" poking around and then "our" files right after it. This meaning may be unintended, but it does say people who find it can use it. I don't even know why someone would have a file like this in an internal alpha since its obviously meant for Reborn's official release. Without it, I might agree that "leaking" this was wrong, etc. With it though, it pretty much clears anyone who winds up with the mod, or passes it around. My recommendation to Reborn (if they haven't done this yet): Hurry up and get the mod running separate from Renegade. Then your future 'internal tests' can take a format that would be useless to anyone who doesn't have your base mod.
Renardin6 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 17:12 Got it punk? Please don't call NeoSaber punk or I will get angry and you can count on your shitty modification getting ownt big time. Edit: You better apologize shithole.
NeoSaber wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 13:22 character definitions.txt Character Prefix Naming Author: Joe Strateger ( Exdeath7 ) Date Started: August 16, 2005 Last Updated: August 17, 2005 Description: What is this? This is a basic reference for people digging around in our always.dat. Basically made for easy reference to the files of what the characters are labeled when I exported and compiled them. This contains the file names of the w3d format of our character files and their textures in dds format. Great for people just looking to edit textures to their own accord. Remember the W3D engine will read Texture files in either Truevision Advanced Raster Graphics Adapter (TARGA) or Direct Draw Surface format (DDS). Enjoy! The .txt file pretty much screams "Pick the mod apart! I'll even tell you how!" Just because it "screams" for you to pick it apart doesn't mean it gives permission to redistribute it. If I put up a sign behind my door with a map describing all of the areas of my house, it doesn't give you permission to enter my house, even if I left the door unlocked.
Kanezor wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 14:22 Crimson, I hate to tell you you're wrong, but Fobby is right -- these forums do suck ass. The quote button for the current post doesn't belong at the bottom of the current post: all other active forums that I have seen have the quote button for the current post at the top of the post. Not only that, but all other decent forums that I visit also have the person's profile info in a separate column, instead of the same column cluttering up post texts. As for seeing the post he didn't mean to quote, that would be his fault for not pre-reading the quote. *smacks Fobby* Find me a forum written by a guy who has written a book on security in PHP apps, on the PHP bug team, that is free and has bugs fixed within hours, not weeks, not months, then we can talk. Truth is I could easily move the button wherever the hell I want to. But most people have an IQ higher than 75 and just find the button instead of mindlessly clicking wherever they THINK may be the right place. The mindless clickers are incidentally the same people who install spyware and viruses on their computers. But I digress.
Most forums also have an option where to place the user info/avatar, it's just up to the site owner's personal preference. IPB and vB both have that option, so that arguement doesn't exactly hold that much weight.
After playing this for a while i can say that most of the GDI stuff looks and works really good, however i saw a few things that should be fixed/changed. The jumpjet needs a unique model/animation when its flying, preferably with flames coming out of the backpack. It's gun also seems a little too powerful, it can kill a stank in one clip. The stank is weak as hell, low health, bad armor, and it cant fire sideways. I think the engineer and technician are backwards, the free technician has lots of C4 while the costly engineer has none. The ghoststalker railgun is weak, it needs to be faster and probably a little more powerful. Alot of the weapon icons in the weapon list and current weapon slot were just green squares, however after switching weapons a few times this seemed to fix itself. Im really looking forward to this mod, i hope you guys can get a small public beta or something out soon.
Hmm, the jumpjet chrashes my game when i try to use it.
Meh. Whatever.. I'll give it a rest at trying
Quote: Clue? Aircraftkiller should have been banned ages ago, when he first started flaming and messing up posts. I've been doing that in these forums since 7 Febuary, 2001. I've only been banned once, by Cliff "Devinoch" Hicks, and that was simply for attacking someone he liked. I probably have the original e-mail somewhere around my computer. Quote: Instead you decided to make him moderator in your IRC channel Really!! News flash, newbie, I helped Crimson set up #n00bstories and have been in the channel since the day it was created. The only way she's going to ban me is if I really piss her off, and I'm sure that would entail attacking her in some form. I have nothing but deep respect for Crimson (Even if she doesn't support me at times, since I don't want asskissing friends) and I seriously doubt I'd ever do something that serious to her. Quote: I have read only shit coming from him I've only read shit coming from you, too! BAN!!@
Renardin6 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 12:14 http://www.copyrightdepot.com/rep74/00038617.htm You can't be serious, can you? You're making a modification of a game that's already been copyrighted. You're using key files from a copyrighted product in your program; you can't copyright those since they didn't belong to you in the first place. That'd be like someone trying to copyright his own fan-made Star Wars story and claim the original Star Wars storyline as his. Unless you create your own completely separate game on a completely original engine, your "copyright" means dick.
Hydra wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 21:35 Renardin6 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 12:14 http://www.copyrightdepot.com/rep74/00038617.htm You can't be serious, can you? You're making a modification of a game that's already been copyrighted. You're using key files from a copyrighted product in your program; you can't copyright those since they didn't belong to you in the first place. That'd be like someone trying to copyright his own fan-made Star Wars story and claim the original Star Wars storyline as his. Unless you create your own completely separate game on a completely original engine, your "copyright" means dick. No actually they are entitled to a copyright. The specific lines of code that they added completely on their own and are coded by them are their work. They are automatically considered copyrighted to them. That doesn't mean everything pertaining to the modification/game base is their property. That means both groups hold copyrights for their work. If your design an aftermarket part for a dodge engine its not like that part can't be patented just because it's used on a dodge engine... If that were the case so many people would get sued in this world. Their copyright stands for their work. EA games copyright stands for Westwood's work.
Sniper_De7 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 22:20 Besides you can't say he wasn't wrong to leak it. He knew Reborn wouldn't approve. Yet he did it anyways. Why don't you tell him to apologize? Is it because you know he doesn't care? Can't justify it by saying it wasn't specific enough. Are you saying I leaked the Reborn alpha?
No, wasn't about you in that. the part of the approving would fit more into play if you're going to say a miniscule thing like reading "people" differently (when you know what it well meant) It really sounds like you're trying to justify it when you know the intentions
I in no way believe that the .txt file was intended to apply just to members of the Reborn team. I just mentioned it could as a slim possibility. Everything from the way "people" is used to the explanation of the texture file types Renegade can read indicates it's meant for the general population. There'd be no reason for Exdeath to write a "memo" reminding the Reborn team that Renegade only uses textures in a .tga or .dds format. They'd have to be incompetent beyond all human understanding for that to be the case, and my opinion of them is higher than that...
genetix wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 23:12 No actually they are entitled to a copyright. The specific lines of code that they added completely on their own and are coded by them are their work. They are automatically considered copyrighted to them. That doesn't mean everything pertaining to the modification/game base is their property. That means both groups hold copyrights for their work. If your design an aftermarket part for a dodge engine its not like that part can't be patented just because it's used on a dodge engine... If that were the case so many people would get sued in this world. Their copyright stands for their work. EA games copyright stands for Westwood's work. You're still building that part with your own original concept and design. The purpose for which you created it is completely yours; you are not building off a concept owned and previously created by Dodge. The part and its design, purpose, concept, and intellectual property are originally yours. Therefore, you can patent it. EA's copyright goes for everything C&C related--the units, the concept, the storyline, the name, everything. If you create a C&C-related modification for any game, you're using EA's copyrighted concept and storyline as a basis for your modification. Remember StarCraft 2: Xel'Naga Vengeance? Blizzard shut them down for copyright infringements. Why? Because they were creating their own mod based on Blizzard's intellectual property on a competing game's engine. The Reborn team is using EA's intellectual property to create their own mod based completely on a game copyrighted by EA. As you said the only things they could copyright having to do with the mod are the individual lines of code used in every single script in the game; in order for that to be legally binding, they would have to list all the lines they would want to copyright and ensure that the same lines are not used or copyrighted elsewhere. They cannot simply say "I want to copyright the entire mod called Reborn" because so much of it is based on the intellectual property of EA. They could, of course, get around all that by completely dissociating everything with C&C, aside from the engine upon which it is based. Then they might be able to copyright it (even then, it'd still be dicey with it utilizing a C&C engine), but then it wouldn't be the Renegade->Tiberian Sun mod that "eevrywon wnats 2 plai!!!" Either way, Retardin's little "copyright" still means dick.
Renardin6 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 17:47 nice weather today... No snow so far. Nice edit. Too bad Neo got you in a quote. Renardin6 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 18:12 This too, "punk." SK gotcha this time. Renardin6 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 18:39 Listen to this: stop posting if you're just going to edit away your posts and put useless spam that's neither topical nor thought-provoking as soon as somebody shoots your ideas down. It's cool when you have a rebuttal or try to slide across a witty comment, but when all you do is end up editing your post to put a single smiley or ..comment about the weather, please spare us the effort of scrolling past your crap and don't make the post in the first place.
NeoSaber wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 18:03 Renardin6 wrote on Tue, 20 December 2005 17:47 Do we allow people to use those files? NO. Actually, yes, you did allow people when the file "character definitions.txt" was included in the alpha saying that anyone who found it was free to use what was inside. Actually no it does not. "This is a basic reference". It states that. That is what it is and nothing more.
It was internal and should have staid that way. Now you guys just make sure that they won't give out any more internal testing in their forums and that what will come out, will be less tested. Way to go... Also ACK, you of all people should know how much work gets in a total modification. You could respect that work and get on with your life in stead of releasing unfinished alpha tests to try and get Reborn's rep down.
LOL Retardin did the thought as impossible: he went even more retarded.
The funny thing is that Aircraftkiller only has the Alpha because one of your staff members leaked it to him. Says alot about the integrity of your team, eh Renardin?
Aidoneus wrote on Wed, 21 December 2005 09:33 The funny thing is that Aircraftkiller only has the Alpha because one of your staff members leaked it to him. Says alot about the integrity of your team, eh Renardin? How sure are you that the people u trust won't put a figurative knife in your back? For people on the I'net is even way worse.
Because our team is made of people that get along with each other and would be good friends if we ever met in reality. We give each other no reason to betray the others' trust and as such, productivity and security stay high. We've only had about two leaks in the past three years, compared to Reborn; they've had over 10 to 20.
dum deeee dum.... BOOM HEADSHOT! Quote: Leak is a bad thing, remember that. http://mods.moddb.com/4529/CC-Red-Alert-A-Path-Beyond/ http://mods.moddb.com/321/Renegade-Alert/ "This mod is BANNED from the Mod DB for not abiding by our rules"
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