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BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion
defaulrt wrote on Fri, 09 September 2005 22:43 Here's the thing, if Crimson would have thought of the idea of snagging FDS serials she would have just like many others would have. Why would she have done that, when the existing system of requesting and receiving serials was working just fine? If someone needed one, they could go to the westwood page and get one. Now that Adad stole them all, nobody can get them anymore. This thread is about asking Adad to turn some of them over to us to make available to the community again, I'm not sure where you are trying to take it. defaulrt wrote on Fri, 09 September 2005 22:43 Its Adad's choice of who gets them being he gathered them. People do ask him for them and he shares them. He dosn't slap anything on it so they don't have to obey by any rules to get them. Since he has them all, yes it's his choice, and we are giving him the choice/option of giving some of them to us so that we can make them easily available to everyone. I don't know what these rules you are talking about that we would "slap on"...the only thing mentioned was that we would have safeguards in place so that another person couldn't exploit like he did and take all of the serials. defaulrt wrote on Fri, 09 September 2005 22:43 BHS "has proven themselves in the past" what have they proven? Get some programers together make a program thats suppose to prevent cheaters but fails many times. Then treat everyone else like crap because they are not *coders* BHS just looks more like power pushers to me. We have proven that we are here to support the community. BHS pays over $500 per month just for the servers that run and maintain the RenGuard network, not to mention all of the mental effort, skill, and collaboration we do working on projects and applications for the community. Power pushers? We are doing all of this for you and the rest of the community. Sheesh. It's pretty laughable that you support what Adad did and are fine with it, yet everything we do for you and everyone else who plays Renegade, we supposedly do for "power". I really don't understand why certain people have always said that we are "trying to own Renegade". All we are trying to do is help and improve things.
Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios
I'm not trying to start something here, but no-one asked you to create RenGuard and spend $500 a month on servers. It's your own decision at the end of the day. [back on topic] ..
Re: BHS "has proven themselves in the past" Discussion
No shit it was our choice... but surely this effort for the good of the community is worth a little more than all these bullshit accusations of power abuse.
Go Adad! No seriously, how do you know that he didn't lost them?
BHS has done alot more good to this community than anyone else. I personally thank them for RenGuard, as if it didnt exist, me and alot of other people would be banned from alot of servers. Untill i see one of you people who bitch about RenGuard do something better, your whining means ziltch.
greb wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 13:40 BHS has done alot more good to this community than anyone else. I personally thank them for RenGuard, as if it didnt exist, me and alot of other people would be banned from alot of servers. Untill i see one of you people who bitch about RenGuard do something better, your whining means ziltch. actualy nightma found a sucure system in the ren fds...
All nightma has done is spread illiteracy.
ben5015se wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 14:41 greb wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 13:40 BHS has done alot more good to this community than anyone else. I personally thank them for RenGuard, as if it didnt exist, me and alot of other people would be banned from alot of servers. Untill i see one of you people who bitch about RenGuard do something better, your whining means ziltch. actualy nightma found a sucure system in the ren fds... hush my boy!
UseLagReduction=no. How great.. too bad that it totally fucks up aiming and produces even more lag. Have known this for a year.
EDIT: why didnt people use that before RenGuard came out and the cheaters were running rampant?
Because: mac wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 22:58 it totally fucks up aiming and produces even more lag.
Exactly. We found that a long time ago but it only works in a 4 player or less game.
hmm, most of you know me, some of you dont, ive played this game ever since it came out, i thank crimson and all them for creating RenGuard, but i am disgusted of what it has become. A good idea has been turned into a n00b hideout. I know what many of you will say to my next comment. "get renguard its not that hard". but to tell you the truth, renguard has crapped up my computer and ren several times, has gone on freak updating sprees that never stopped until i removed it, and it lags my ren, so please dont even say it. but i cant count the number of times i have walked into a server that has the command !force renguard and have been forced to have it after getting 1 HS. ive also walked in with a name iHAXuDONT, and names like it and get forced renguard 5 seconds after i join. also all the n00bs who say RenGuard is not able to be bypassed, its a load of BS, of course it can. as a long time player of ren and mod/admin of several servers over my time, i have caught and banned dozens of people who had renguard on and running. that is what disgusts me, not the program itself, but what the program has made available for cheaters. i dont know the amount of tests i have tried to perform that the first response from the cheater is "i have renguard" it does not fool me, but it fools the lesser experienced. i remember waiting forever for this program to come out. thought it was a great idea, and really wanted to see renegade once again cheat free. unfortunatly it has not come to that, and i dare to say (not happily) RenGuard has done more harm then good to the renegade community.
Xtrm2Matt wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 04:25 I'm not trying to start something here, but no-one asked you to create RenGuard and spend $500 a month on servers. It's your own decision at the end of the day. [back on topic] .. I asked.
snipgod wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 20:59 RenGuard has done more harm then good to the renegade community. It's that sort of uneducated opinion that disgusts me. Because it means that I know for a fact you have banned dozens of great players who did their best to prove they weren't cheating. We in BHS watch the community 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. When an exploit comes out, we find it and fix it. IF there is anyone out there actively cheating with RenGuard, the number of people doing so numbers no higher than like 10. All you do is see someone who's 'too good' and you assume he's cheating and consequently bypassing RG. I hate that so many server owners have to be so ignorant.
no higher then 10? that is what you call an "uneducated opinion"
No, it's an educated opinion based on SEVERAL factors. When you spend as much time as we do battling cheats, you become a lot more knowledgable than the average server owner.
snipgod wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 22:59 hmm, most of you know me, some of you dont, ive played this game ever since it came out, i thank crimson and all them for creating RenGuard, but i am disgusted of what it has become. A good idea has been turned into a n00b hideout. I know what many of you will say to my next comment. "get renguard its not that hard". but to tell you the truth, renguard has crapped up my computer and ren several times, has gone on freak updating sprees that never stopped until i removed it, and it lags my ren, so please dont even say it. but i cant count the number of times i have walked into a server that has the command !force renguard and have been forced to have it after getting 1 HS. ive also walked in with a name iHAXuDONT, and names like it and get forced renguard 5 seconds after i join. also all the n00bs who say RenGuard is not able to be bypassed, its a load of BS, of course it can. as a long time player of ren and mod/admin of several servers over my time, i have caught and banned dozens of people who had renguard on and running. that is what disgusts me, not the program itself, but what the program has made available for cheaters. i dont know the amount of tests i have tried to perform that the first response from the cheater is "i have renguard" it does not fool me, but it fools the lesser experienced. i remember waiting forever for this program to come out. thought it was a great idea, and really wanted to see renegade once again cheat free. unfortunatly it has not come to that, and i dare to say (not happily) RenGuard has done more harm then good to the renegade community. Run two servers. One with RenGuard and one without. After three months, make an average of two things: 1) How many players each server has 2) How many cheaters, balanced against how many unique players (obviously a frequently full server could have more cheaters than a frequently empty server) To do this, you'll first need to secure a CPU and bandwidth. Since Renegade's FDS is a CPU whore, you'll need 1 CPU per server. It is also a bandwidth whore, so a phat pipe is needed too. There's some $$$. Now you'll need to get a Renegade FDS in order for it to run. Whoops, those are all snagged up by a tard who took them all! Oh, and he's not even using them all! How could he? I don't see thousands of Renegade servers, do you?! Right, so you'll need to ask him kindly for one of those. Better hope you're not on his bad side. Okay. Now that you have all of that set up, let's wait three months. (three months later) Okay. I'm sure you'll note that there's not many players on your servers. One, there's already a number of other servers to choose from. So why should they play on yours? Not only that, but those other servers are also defaulted at the top of the WOL list, since they have those fucking A000000xx names, so players have to either sort the list by something other than host account names (game name and ping are common ... hope your ping is good and your name is fancy!) or specifically look for your server. That aside, let's count the number of cheaters. I'd be willing to bet that the server with RenGuard has a significantly smaller cheater/player ratio than the server without RenGuard. Sure, there might have been a few with RenGuard running that were cheating... but all in all, I'd say RenGuard is doing its purpose. Edit: Whoa, couple of new posts while I was writing mine, so I added a quote... :\
trust me, i have been a mod ever since the i played ren, i have battled cheats ever since they were found. and those good players ur talking about? they are the ones that say they have renguard, the renguard network says they have it, yet when i tell them to shoot me in chest to check for bones, they either leave, or i get killed. i am a fair mod, i do not bad right away, i usually have 2 or 3 testers with me and if i get killed i give them 1 more chance (not that its nessicary, how can you not understand "shoot me in the chest"). your program has given me, def, and other great mods who try and battle cheats more grief then the cheaters themselves.
by the way.. theres other stuff then bones/ .ini files and object fi9les.. theres aimbots...that are just a program for ren.. that dont need any files..it looks either for red in the skin or tan
Also, if you're a great mod, then you wouldn't ban on sight unless it was obvious (eg, they just killed ten tanks with a minigunner). Thus, you'd be doing the "shoot me in chest" check whether or not they're running RenGuard. With that in mind, I fail to see how it has caused any significant increase in your duties.
if you read up i stated "i am not fooled by it unlike the lesser experienced mods" if i think they are in need of a test i ask for it, if they do not comply, and/or leave the server before finishing the test. i ban. i show no mercy towards cheaters. i have banned many good friends who i thought where good but i caught cheating
Show me an aimbot that improves our k/d ratio, then we'll talk. The most popular aimbot is OGC hook and it actually lowers your accuracy and is therefore bullshit and not worth our time to counter. We have NEVER claimed that RenGuard would definitely positively stop 100% of cheaters. It does in fact stop ALL publically-released cheats. Anyone who thinks RenGuard is not helping obviously has only started playing Renegade AFTER RG came out, because they don't remember what it was like when you couldn't even play for 10 minutes without some final Renegade user coming through and changing the course of the game.
i dont know.. everytime i hosted *befor rg* i never had any problems with cheaters of course..it was becouse i was on 56k back then
The skin protection on Renguard makes OGC ineffective.
RenGuard protects your skin from harmful UV rays?
Aircraftkiller wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 23:41 RenGuard protects your skin from harmful UV rays? It does, in fact. I was playing Renegade with RenGuard on and I didn't get sunburned! My sister however went swimming and she did get sunburned.
Let me rephrase this to prevent the more anal members of the community from having an aneurysm. The protected files system prevents the user from changing the character textures, "skins," to be a OGC detectable color (i.e. red, green, blue).
edit: relocated: http://www.renegadeforums.com/index.php?t=msg& goto=170900&rid=19606#msg_170900 oooo thats probly wasnt the best move... moderators... *cough*saved in pdf format*cough**cough pm me*cough*for it*cough
I beta tested RG with EoE, and thought it was gonna help. But it doesn't. Most all the RG servers are dead. Altough it runs on my computer fine, when I had Renegade installed, it wasn't full proof. But I think it has done no harm, nor has it helped as much as it could.
Empty? On an average day, we hit about 500 RG users in RG-protected servers.
Shall I run through the server list, I beleive, All-Out ran that, and that's gone isn't it? Also, how many others play ren, when I see irc, and see something of the names, looks to me like more not on it..
Well, I have actual statistics, not an opinion.
YSLMuffins wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 00:00 Xtrm2Matt wrote on Sat, 10 September 2005 04:25 I'm not trying to start something here, but no-one asked you to create RenGuard and spend $500 a month on servers. It's your own decision at the end of the day. [back on topic] .. I asked. Sure, they asked people if it would be a good idea. But my other comment still stands. No-one is telling them to spend $500 a month on servers. They are doing it because they want to, and not because they need to.
1) RG has kept the number of cheaters down...however, some people CAN'T run it (*points at Ingy*) 2) I have a suggestion for moderators: D/L Fraps or GameCam and take VIDEOS of cheat tests...
So many incorrect facts there. 1. Blackhand Studios does not run any servers. Do not confuse n00bstories with Blackhand Studios. 2. Tell me an bypass that is actually working. Everything that got reported to us has been fixed by me. 3. Blackhand Studios does not run a IRC server. 5. This forum is run by BHS and is still considered private property. Free speech does not apply here. If we think anything does not belong here, we move it. Insulting us on our own forum is not too good. 6. Again, show me one bypass, that actually works and is not fixed. 7. Again, BHS does not run a IRC server. BHS has a few members of n00bstories, but many of our people, like me, have nothing to do with n00bstories. So, in essence, BHS does not run a IRC server. -- Again, why do you connect BHS to n00bstories all the time? Those two organisations are not related any way. I see many programs made by Blackhand Studios, and you cannot tell me that noone in the community uses them RenGuard BRenBot Core Patch 1 scripts.dll LFDS wrapper RenHawk I don't see YOU contributing anything to the community and spending lots of money just to keep cheaters out of the game. Also, there was no BHS when RenGuard was being developed, it was ounded a few weeks before RenGuard was finished.. I didn't join BHS, I founded it.. And you don't know anything about RenGuard 1.04 either.. so I suggest not to talk about anything that you know nothing about.
i alwas thought a community was alwas open to anyone..if things have changed since then, i dont know what to beilive..and if people donate to you is it still private property? kinda boggles the mind a bit.. as for cheating there is lots out there, hell there is a section in this one cheat website that says rengaurd cheats..has about 8 or 9 cheats that bypass it, im not sayin i cheat, i usaly just look at what people can do to ruin my server,and even full rengaurd server, you can still use cheats in without renguard on..
This forum, is run by BHS. It is technically private property. How does donating to BHS make this forum public property? We have moderators from the community, and we remove threads that are not approriate. I know that site. None of the "bypasses" work. If you are unsure yourself, you should try it out. However, you should inform me in advance or you'll be banned for trying it out.
*makes a mental note to update his laptop's Ren install and get RG up on this system* Thanks for reminding me. I nearly forgot I'd brought Ren with me...
the only thing i have seen rengaurd do is stop a very sm,all amount of cheats and limit everything. i find it...retarded? you cant have any type of w3d model you hav e to 'show' bhs, and they dont think their power pushers.. all you really need to limit is the heads and beacons! thats the only reason i dont use it..
why just the heads and beacons? because that's all that anyone's released in Big form? What if someone created really big gun models? You can kill someone by shooting their gun too.
RG blocks all known w3d and objects.ddb based cheats. There is a whitelist, and you need to submit your w3d models for approval.
...i dont care... im not going to let a program control how my game looks just becouse of cheaters. or how i play games in my own listen server.
ben5015se wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 14:11 ...i dont care... im not going to let a program control how my game looks just becouse of cheaters. or how i play games in my own listen server. Would you care to present a real arguement?
Just for the record, there are big gun cheats.
really? sounds like im gunna go try it on un rules im gunna go look for it
I'll be sure to tell Tthom your coming
thanks
I think that crimson should turn off Renguard for a month. Take that money and buy herself and the other members of BHS something nice as a thank you that they don't get from some of you ignorant fucks. All of you that utter functionally retarded bull shit like " Renguard Fuckes up my PC/Renegade/causes lag", "If they don't have Renguard they are cheating", "Renguard has done more harm than good" or "Renguard doesn't work" will come begging her to turn it back on. I personally know that what they do is for the love of a game not some power trip. Wtf kind of power would they get from having control of this game??? I mean really, use your brain before you say something that stupid. With out BHS and their time, energy and money Renegade would be in a sorry sorry state and we wouldn't be having this discussion.
I was thinking something very similar. Everyone complaining about it when its free. We should be thanking Blackhand Studios. I will put it in my sig as appreciation.
"ignorant fucks"... that's such an appropriate name for those retards. Only 15 year old children could possibly think we want to "control" this game that a mere 10,000 people still play in this big bad world. Remember, you all want EA to support the game. They never have and never will. We are the closest thing you will ever get for official support. Love it or hate it, but that's where we are. All we're trying to do is keep the game alive.
Well, we have only 1 issue with BHS...they don't seem to be trying to fix the Buffer Overrun issue in RG. Where are the hordes of regression testers when we need them? P.S. the Buffer Overrun is a REGRESSION from 1.02 to 1.03 and IMHO should have delayed the release...
We are not releasing a fix for 1.03 because 1.04 is imminent and will address that and many other issues.
Seriously, what's with the constant paranoia. The biggest part of the computers are infested with spyware, diallers, virusses, because of people downloading warez, using programs like kazaa and everything. And why is that, because people trust all the BS that is released on the internet, as long as they can download music for free. But when RG was created, oh no these people must have some bad intentions. RG stole serials, RG had a trojan horse, RG made me ugly. Seriously, have a bit of respect to these people. They don't earn anything with this, so why do you think they made it. Because they like the game, and wanted to do something good for it. People seem to forget the millions of post about how cheats would kill Renegade, a few years ago. These people are in this community from the beginning,if they wanted to fuck us they could have done it a long time ago. If crimson wanted to kill the community, she could just pull the plug out of these forums. Sheesh, If you don't trust these people, I have only one advise: PULL the plug out of your modem, your safe than from all the evil people on the internet. - My respect to BHS, who try to make this game better for us.
The concept of RG is fine, but I just won't run it. I just play on servers where people know me. I could pick holes in the design of the program etc, but there's no point. The best thing to come out of RG is the blocking of kiddie cheaters with bighead etc. The worst thing is the belief that a person running RenGuard is not cheating, and that someone not running it has something to hide. I don't run it, but I have nothing to hide. I have been cheat free online from day one. I have researched cheats on Multiplayer Practice as part of moderating, but thats it. I could go on, but why bother, you will just disregard this post as it disagrees with what you say.
are you all stupid? since when was trying out cheats allowed? you guys that are bitching have no idea what wol was like b4 rg came out...bhs has done a LOT for ren, and u peeps should be greatful, no one else gives a dam about this game (ea in mind) so bhs takes it into there own hands...and have done a good job with it:bigups: ~Belski~
Blazer wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 21:49 We are not releasing a fix for 1.03 because 1.04 is imminent and will address that and many other issues. Good...Hopefully that bug gets squashed in 1.04! Then we can actually USE RG for once!
light wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 06:19 ... The worst thing is the belief that a person running RenGuard is not cheating, ... They aren't
"Crimson" Remember, you all want EA to support the game. They never have and never will. We are the closest thing you will ever get for official support. Love it or hate it, but that's where we are. All we're trying to do is keep the game alive. I would rather have you support this game to be honest. You care about it more than they do.
light wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 03:19 I could pick holes in the design of the program etc, but there's no point. So can many other ten year-olds!
luv2pb wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 13:20 They aren't You can't absolutely rule that, crimson herself has said renguard isn't 100% un-bypassable. Close to 100%, sure, but if it isn't 100% then your statement is flawed.
Spoony wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 16:20 luv2pb wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 13:20 They aren't You can't absolutely rule that, crimson herself has said renguard isn't 100% un-bypassable. Close to 100%, sure, but if it isn't 100% then your statement is flawed. weather or not I know that RG is not 100% un-bypassable (past, present or future) I take the stance that it is perfect. I believe that poeple like us (being admins and mods) do not need to be going around encouraging the brainless twats that can't form their own thoughts that RG is flawed in any way. All they do then is run around and say RG doesn't work because spoony said it wasn't 100%. When in fact you were asked to back that statement up and you could not. And for the record it is also the claim of Crimson and BHS that every flaw in the past has been fixed (and quick) and is currently 100%. Does that explain why I say that? Back to the subject BHS rocks
Hey, I just got this great idea! To solve all the bitching about how Renguard killed your goldfish and blew up your monitor, and caused lagg, and any other crazy stuff.[/sarcasm] Lag is a bitch, plain and simple. If you don't want any lagg follow the below steps, they're all simple to do. First thing, make sure you don't have 56k. Second make sure your computer meets AT LEAST the minimum requirements, but the recommended requirements or better would definately be a +, here's where I find the minimum, and recommended requirements http://www.cncden.com/renegade_sysreq.shtml Second, if you have the requirements met and Renegade is still laggy, make sure your lower your video setting, or maybe even your resolution by running the Renegade config exe (WWConfig.exe) in the Renegade directory. Third, make sure that when you logon to WOL you go to your internet options and set your connection speed to LAN/T1 or whatever it is. Fourth, Make sure you turn off AIM, MSN, Yahoo, Xfire, or whatever. Because they use bandwidth, memory and CPU power. Fifth, don't use any of those damned warez programs, they always seem to contain some sort of a spyware, malware, or adware. If you have used such a program, remove it, and don't use it again. You should also do a virus check, spyware check, and an adware check which can all be hogging bandwidth. To make it easy for you to find free programs to use to do this, I have included the following links. . . Spybot-S&D: www.safer-networking.org/en/download/index.html Ad-Aware: www.lavasoftusa.com/software/adaware/ Nod32: www.nod32.com/download/download.htm Sixth, don't even allow anything you don't want to start up automatically to start up. go to Star > Run then type msconfig. Check selective startup then uncheck systems.ini. Then click startup on the top left of the menu, and deselect the stuff you don't want to start up. Well, that about does it, I never have any performance decrease of any sort when Running RenGuard compared to not running RenGuard. I keep my computer clean of all spyware, adware, and viruses, I don't let anything not necessary for Windows to run start up. I don't use any warez programs, I have Cable, but when I was on DSl I didn't have any problems either. I even have Renegade at all of its max video settings and I get a constant 60fps even in large servers (32+). I hope this help some of you with your lagg issues.
Most people at n00bstories diss on anyone and anything. If it dosn't go their way they remove it. When someone is new to the game and asks a question n00bstories is there to bash on that person. When someone from n00bstories screws up and gets made fun of that person that made fun of them is called a n00b and a 10year old or younger aka "Kid" Why is n00bstories full of hypocrits? Why do they try to take control of everything so it goes their way? Why do they keep banning my names for stating the truth? Why do they keep spreading lies to everyone? Why does n00bstories have to keep bashing everyone that they don't like? Why does Crimson keep denying things? I can keep going on and on and on, but This account will be banned in few seconds by someone soon just like the others have been. For those of you who read this topic keep those questions in mind when you enter the conflict. K? THX.
Why don't you prove that instead of doing exactly what you're claiming they're doing?
K sign onto irc.n00bstories.com and join their channel then speak with few of them. Thats all I need to say.
Hypocrits wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 18:04 Most people at n00bstories diss on anyone and anything. If it dosn't go their way they remove it. When someone is new to the game and asks a question n00bstories is there to bash on that person. When someone from n00bstories screws up and gets made fun of that person that made fun of them is called a n00b and a 10year old or younger aka "Kid" Why is n00bstories full of hypocrits? Why do they try to take control of everything so it goes their way? Why do they keep banning my names for stating the truth? Why do they keep spreading lies to everyone? Why does n00bstories have to keep bashing everyone that they don't like? Why does Crimson keep denying things? I can keep going on and on and on, but This account will be banned in few seconds by someone soon just like the others have been. For those of you who read this topic keep those questions in mind when you enter the conflict. K? THX. What have I done that makes me a hypocrite? What have I done that would suggest I'm trying to control anything? What name have I banned at www.n00bstories.com, or in the n00bstories mIRC channel? What lies have I spread? Who have a bashed, that I didn't like?
Hypocrits wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 17:04 Most people at n00bstories diss on anyone and anything. If it dosn't go their way they remove it. When someone is new to the game and asks a question n00bstories is there to bash on that person. When someone from n00bstories screws up and gets made fun of that person that made fun of them is called a n00b and a 10year old or younger aka "Kid" Why is n00bstories full of hypocrits? Why do they try to take control of everything so it goes their way? Why do they keep banning my names for stating the truth? Why do they keep spreading lies to everyone? Why does n00bstories have to keep bashing everyone that they don't like? Why does Crimson keep denying things? I can keep going on and on and on, but This account will be banned in few seconds by someone soon just like the others have been. For those of you who read this topic keep those questions in mind when you enter the conflict. K? THX. Why are you bringing up n00bstories in a thread about BlackHand Studios?
1. My message stated most people dosn't include everyone there as not everyone plays renegade. 2. What have you done to make you a hypocrit? Let me take you back awhile to when RG wasn't out. Bighead had first shown its face. In crimson79 server. A mod named warranto and a mod named snprsc0pe were in game on different teams and snprsc0pe was killing everyone in sight and out of sight. The mod warranto thought nothing of snprsc0pe killing everyone in buildings and just ended up leaving. I join and having already seen the bigheads and had asked to test the mod snprsc0pe went ahead and took action. Snprsc0pe failed and even posted screen shots having bighead on. What happened? I was perm banned by warranto and zlined off the network for harrasing a mod. What happened to the screen shots? They were deleted off the site and n00bstories just keep denying any evidence of cheats. 3. What have you done to try and control everything? By doing what you did then and still do. 4. What name have I banned at irc.n00bstories.com, or in the n00bstories mIRC channel? Wow what a question theres to many to count. As almost every person with power there uses it even if the person didn't say a word. They still get judged by you people. 5. What lies have I spread? "There is no such thing as cheats" "These we don't spread lies" 6. Who have I bashed, that I didn't like? Your speaking to him now. K? THX. 7. To the other question about n00bstories. Why was it brought up in this thread? I don't know perhaps because they both intertwine.... Same people... same names... same sites... GOM COULD IT BE BHS IS n00bstories!?!?!??!
At least the n00b finally managed to separate n00bstories from BHS. I don't know why n00bstories is relevant to the discussion about BHS.
Cool, apparently I deny the existence of cheats. Heh.
When did warranto say there wasn't such things as cheats?
There you go again showing your childish side Crimson. Dissing on other people. You must feel proud of yourself. Won't take long till these posts are deleted and this account. LIEK LOOK AT ME IM 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and read the post carefully it says *Let me take you back before RG* What you can't read?
Hypocrits wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 17:29 There you go again showing your childish side Crimson. Dissing on other people. You must feel proud of yourself. Won't take long till these posts are deleted and this account. LIEK LOOK AT ME IM 10!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Oh and read the post carefully it says *Let me take you back before RG* What you can't read? I didn't see her being childish (well, unless you consider sarcasm as being childish). Nor did I see her disrespecting others. Quite the contrary, actually. I do, however, see you acting quite childish. Blaming Crimson for things done in the past (it's quite a while in the past, get over it)... putting shame to n00bstories (which is not only off topic, but I'm frequently in the IRC channel which you describe and from what I can tell, anyone who gets disrespected there has deserved it for one reason or another). I'm not saying n00bstories doesn't deserve it, I am fairly new around here. I am saying that I am seeing a very different picture than the one you are trying to paint.
I suppose we did deny the existence of cheats before RG...for a couple of days. Blazer, mac, and I knew about the cheats long before most people, and our first idea to defend the community was to deny their existence. This was not because we didn't want people to think the game wasn't as perfect as it once was. I think we all know the game is far from perfect (though we're working on it). We did it in the attempt to keep other people from looking for these cheats. It failed, quickly, and the plan was aborted, quickly. It became clear very quickly, within days in fact, that we couldn't deny it any longer. We instead reversed tracks and established the Server Owners' forum to collaborate and share cheater IPs, and started work on RenGuard, which we also announced at that time. I don't know why you still carry a chip on your shoulder from those dark days but I think it's about time to grow up and get over it.
Speaking of power pushing, why did you decide to remove the option to register? Got tired of banning the accounts? No you can't call me a n00b as I have been through it all. No you can't call me a script kiddie because I havn't hit you. No you can't complain about me because all the posts I make are valid. No you can't deny it because more then just me know it.
Hypocrits wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 15:38 Speaking of power pushing, why did you decide to remove the option to register? Got tired of banning the accounts? Registrations are not disabled. Quote: No you can't call me a n00b as I have been through it all. According to the definition of n00b, yes, you are one. Quote: No you can't call me a script kiddie because I havn't hit you. Good, because I didn't... Quote: No you can't complain about me because all the posts I make are valid. No, they are blatant lies and stupidity rolled into one. Quote: No you can't deny it because more then just me know it. Know what exactly?
Crimson Wrote: I didn't deny the existence of cheats before RG. Blazer, mac, and I knew about the cheats long before most people, and our first idea to defend the community was to deny their existence. ^^ Before she changed it by contradicting herself. Your message was removed by administration staff. Mon, 12 September 2005 17:41 Crimson Messages: 3639 Registered: February 2003 Location: Phoenix, AZ General (3 Stars) Administrator/General add to buddy list dupe
I see that as a simple mistake anyone could have made while thinking about what to say, typing it up partly, and then changing your mind mid-way and forgetting to correct what you've already typed until after you've posted it. I see no need to bash someone for making a simple typo and going back to fix it. What were you saying about being childish?
Here's the thing. She stated she never lied. She never removed evidence. Then posts that she did those things? Registrations are disable to me and a select few.. K? THX.
Wow... "Hypocrit" has had a brilliant revelation. Apparently, get this, n00bstories is not always helpful to newcomers. Wow. Who would have THUNK it? A site dedicated to MAKING FUN OF N00BS sometimes bashes idiots. That is, wow, amazing. I learned something new today. Wow... who would have imagined that a community based on making fun of idiots makes fun of idiots. The idiocy we're seeing here is relating BHS to n00bstories. Let's look at the BHS team, shall we? mac - Director of BHS, lead of RenGuard, not a member or participant in n00bstories. Blazer - Director of BHS, heavily involved in n00bstories (and oh yeah, he's my boyfriend) Crimson - Director of BHS, owner of n00bstories Scorpio9a - At one point helped with some of the coding of n00bstories, no longer involved. jonwil - Never involved with n00bstories v00d00 - Never involved with n00bstories Silent_Kane - operator in #n00bstories IRC, other than that not involved with n00bstories Laeubi, Minax - never involved with n00bstories zunnie - never involved with n00bstories So, let's see, between BHS and n00bstories we have two members who overlap in both, then we have one director not involved, 5 people never associated as staff for n00bstories, 1 person involved for a short time in the past, and 1 person who has a relatively small staff role. So yeah, I can see why you'd think n00bstories and BHS are one and the same. I mean, 2 out of 10 members are n00bstories staff!
Kanezor, you are exactly right. I was going towards one train of thought and changed it, and after I saw my post, I realized I contradicted myself and fixed my wording. Good job, 'Hypocrit', for proving that I made a typo.
Crimson wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 17:51 Kanezor, you are exactly right. I was going towards one train of thought and changed it, and after I saw my post, I realized I contradicted myself and fixed my wording. Good job, 'Hypocrit', for proving that I made a typo. I make the same mistake myself. I think it's a good thing actually: it proves that you actually think about what you're typing instead of acting childish and just type the first thing that comes to mind, which is often a disrespectful comment.
There there now Crimson we all make mistakes at some point in life. Your's just happened to be avoiding the truth. Yes most people have errors in their typing. Yes most people are new to something and need help understanding it. Yes you state, your only doing whats the best for the community, but wait how do you expect to achieve that when you and your goon squad are bashing on everyone for their errors instead of showing them how to do something?
Hypocrits wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 15:47 Registrations are disable to me and a select few.. Maybe that's because you and the "select few" are breaking the rules... There is nowhere in the rules that states you're allowed to have more than one account. And there is no law that states I have to allow you to use these forums.
Hypocrits wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 15:57 There there now Crimson we all make mistakes at some point in life. Your's just happened to be avoiding the truth. Yes most people have errors in their typing. Yes most people are new to something and need help understanding it. Yes you state, your only doing whats the best for the community, but wait how do you expect to achieve that when you and your goon squad are bashing on everyone for their errors instead of showing them how to do something? You know, back when I started n00bstories.com, it wasn't my responsibility to help n00bs or newbies. I was just a member of the community who started a website related to Renegade. So don't talk to me about obligation.
Hypocrits wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 18:57 There there now Crimson we all make mistakes at some point in life. Your's just happened to be avoiding the truth. ... Yes you state, your only doing whats the best for the community, but wait how do you expect to achieve that when you and your goon squad are bashing on everyone for their errors instead of showing them how to do something? Avoiding the truth has been what's happened in the past. And I think 95% of the world today has bashed others for doing retarded things once in a while. Adults know when they get bashed for being retarded, they're either intentionally being retarded or are smart enough to realize that what they just did was retarded and thus learn from the mistake. Children on the other hand will go cry to their mommies and complain that they were picked on.
1. You wish to speak about the rules of your forums? It has the button to click "If you are over 13 to state you are" Hey look I clicked it!! Yet you still go on calling me a 10 year old in previous/moved posts. 2. Nobody said you did have to take that obligation but how do you expect to become whats best for the community if people keep turning out to hate you? 3. I don't deny that Groups of people working together have made things better for renegade. 4. I do deny to like Groups of people working together making things while dissing on other peoples achievements.
Hypocrits wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 16:08 1. You wish to speak about the rules of your forums? It has the button to click "If you are over 13 to state you are" Hey look I clicked it!! Yet you still go on calling me a 10 year old in previous/moved posts. 2. Nobody said you did have to take that obligation but how do you expect to become whats best for the community if people keep turning out to hate you? 3. I don't deny that Groups of people working together have made things better for renegade. 4. I do deny Groups of people working together making things while dissing on other peoples achievements. You called yourself 10. If I had to guess your age it would be 13 or 14. I don't "expect to become what's best for the community". n00bstories never wanted to be that. BHS already IS what's best for the community. And if you think I really give a rat's ass if a couple teenagers somewhere on this big bad earth hate me, then you really need a clue. Exactly. And hence, BHS is what's best for the community. Glad we agree. Once again, BHS IS NOT THE SAME AS N00BSTORIES. Please, PLEASE, if you take nothing else away from this discussion, LEARN THIS. I have proven it already. Just please please let this fact absorb through that apparently 6 inch skull of yours.
Also on the subject of who's who. You did a great job on asking Adad for serials!!! Do you honestly expect to get them when your community and yourself treated him like crap for so many years? I never once said I was 10. You called me a 10 year old so I made the name 10yearoldlololol which was banned few seconds after. There you go again claiming BHS is best for the community. Here's a newsflash, maybe if people actualy helped those that don't understand the game to get a better feel, then maybe just maybe half them wouldn't resort to using cheats.
I have never treated Adad like crap! That is a complete LIE. Also, you yourself said that BHS was best for the community when you said "I don't deny that Groups of people working together have made things better for renegade." I will always claim that BHS is the best thing Renegade has going for it at the moment, and I always will. I know firsthand the raw talent we have and all the things that the members have accomplished.
Crimson wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 19:32 I have never treated Adad like crap! That is a complete LIE. Also, you yourself said that BHS was best for the community when you said "I don't deny that Groups of people working together have made things better for renegade." I will always claim that BHS is the best thing Renegade has going for it at the moment, and I always will. I know firsthand the raw talent we have and all the things that the members have accomplished. Lmao little to full of yourself on that one? Sorry but BHS falls under "4. I do deny to like Groups of people working together making things while dissing on other peoples achievements." Why? Thats just what you do. You even said you do it. Thats why you created the n00bstories community isn't it? To diss on everyone else? Another part where BHS and n00bstories intertwine. What BHS makes n00bstories takes credit for it because their the same people. Same people putting others down. "I don't deny that Groups of people working together have made things better for renegade." <--- I said groups working together Not BHS individually Oh and to add in about the thing for Adad. The moment he set eyes on the #n00bstories channel he was abused. The moment you created a thread asking for serials he was dissed on.
Um, wrong again. n00bstories doesn't take credit for anything BHS does. Show me proof or shut your lie hole. I am not responsible for what other people say or think about Adad. I never attacked his actions. I respectfully requested he let us redistribute some of the serials he has. Once again, back your shit up with proof, or shut your lie hole.
Shut my lie whole? Why I'm not even on teamspeak!!! Don't have a cholesterol attack on me now calm that blood pressure down. Perhaps you can prove to me that nobody in n00bstories takes credit for bhs's work?
lol You don't exactly walk up to someone and tell them to their face that they lie, cheat, and steal, and then demand proof of otherwise. You'd not only possibly get your face turned inside out, but the proof is that there is no proof -- if someone hasn't lied, they wouldn't have any lies to give you. If they don't cheat, they wouldn't have any means of their cheats to give you (or in this case, screenshots of such). If they don't steal, they would not have anything stolen to give you. Edit: added more in-depth example
You don't walk up to someone and tell them a lie to their face then turn around and deny it now do you?
Sorry, buddy, but if you're going to accuse me of that random set of lies, you're going to need to back it up with proof, otherwise, we all just continue to laugh at your pathetic grasping of straws.