Command and Conquer: Renegade Official Forums - RDF feed
C&C: Renegade --> Dying since 2003™, resurrected in 2024!
Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios
As most of your know, Adad is the one who wrote a script to "claim" all of the allocated FDS serials. According to most claims I've heard, he has anywhere from 10,000 up to 50,000 serials. This post serves as an open appeal from BHS on behalf of the entire Renegade community, to hand over at least 1000 serials to Blackhand Studios, so that we may redistribute them to the community. If you, forum visitors, support our efforts in this appeal, please post in this thread your support. Thanks for considering our plea. -Christine On behalf of BHS and the entire Renegade community
Re: Open Appeal to Adad from Blackhand Studios
I agree of course. Also note that due to Adads activities, people can no longer request FDS serials via the official method (there was a finite supply and he took them all). If he would turn them over to BHS, we would put up a web application that would allow people to request and receive unique serials again. Since he has literally thousands of them, I can think of no logical reason why he would not want to turn at least some of them over to us, hopefully he will do the right thing.
Why did he claim all of those serials? Just to be an ass or something?
I agree, i think he should hand atleast some over. I may not want or need to ever run a server, but that doesnt mean i dont think others shouldnt be allowed to.
What's to prevent someone from doing the same thing to your web app?
Kanezor wrote on Fri, 09 September 2005 13:51 What's to prevent someone from doing the same thing to your web app? Quite simple really. Limit the number or Serials one person can obtain.
Kanezor wrote on Fri, 09 September 2005 13:51 What's to prevent someone from doing the same thing to your web app? As they've proved before, BHS is a bit more competent in terms of security and monitoring than EA was. EA wouldn't *care* you see, first of all. I support this.
They could add ones of those word verification things to the registration page that uses an image with a simple word or combination of letters, you have to actually see the word, and type it in, that should fool the automatic scripts. You could also make them have to reply to an e-mail before they can get the code, and block certain e-mail urls that are only active once so that you can reply to a registration e-mail, etc.,
Kanezor wrote on Fri, 09 September 2005 14:51 What's to prevent someone from doing the same thing to your web app? Limited by serial hash if it was through RenGuard.
Why do you need FDS serials on a game that has more servers than players?
As the others have said, I am a bit more competent. I have several ideas of how to prevent that sort of thing, and I will cross that bridge when we get there.
xptek wrote on Fri, 09 September 2005 15:20 Why do you need FDS serials on a game that has more servers than players?
grnfusion wrote on Fri, 09 September 2005 15:40 xptek wrote on Fri, 09 September 2005 15:20 Why do you need FDS serials on a game that has more servers than players? For S&G purposes probly. (Shits & Giggles.)
The lack of FDS serials hasn't done a bit to stem the flow of morons running servers. I really hope you aren't honestly saying that it's right that someone has tens of thousands of serials that were intended for all of us to have access to.
It's not wrong either, there's no reason for them
I see quite a few morons in the FDS forum going "SERIALZ PLZ ZOMG1!," and it's nice not having them on WOL.
Please don't take the thread off on this tangent. It's true that we don't need any more servers, but using a script to "steal" thousands of them is NOT the way to go about stopping that. Furthermore, there could be 100 servers listed on WOL and it wouldn't make much of a difference. We're all still going to play where we like to play.
I removed all the off topics posts. Please stay on topic, this is not the place to discuss if BHS "has proven themselves in the past". Thank you.
i personaly wouldnt see any diffrence between adad and bhs having it..if i was a regular gammer *not one that hangs on forums* i wouldnt knjow about bhs serial system.. i would more likly pm a host asking if they knew eere to get one or if they had an extra..
This thread is not to bash Adad. What's done is done, we are just asking him nicely if he would donate a bunch of the serials to us so that we can make a web page for people to request them, in order to restore the abilit that people had before he took them all. If he wants we can even put "thanks to Adad" on the page if he wants...our only interest is to restore the communities ability to get FDS serials again.
It's very simple. Instead of PM'ing someone on the forums and hoping he eventually gives you one, you can use an automated system to request one from an unbiased source.
ben5015se wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 01:04 i personaly wouldnt see any diffrence between adad and bhs having it..if i was a regular gammer *not one that hangs on forums* i wouldnt knjow about bhs serial system.. i would more likly pm a host asking if they knew eere to get one or if they had an extra.. So you are saying that the average person would more easily be able to find some random person (Adad) who had the FDS serials than if the link to the serial request page was posted on these forums and the renguard network MOTD and web site? That is unlikely. Anyhow for all we know, Adad doesn't like random people coming to him all the time asking for serials...then again maybe he does...either way we just want to talk to him about it.
theres alot of people who dont check forums..but i used to ask host's everything.. look at how many people are on the forum's now or anytime.. and look at the players.. alot of players dont care about the forums...*
You obviously didn't read the entire post. We can also post this location on the RenGuard home page and MOTD, which reaches many others. Also, most community leaders read the posts here and they can, in turn, post the link in their own forums.
Wait a second. If Adad is so approachable and friendly and eager to hand out serials... Why the hell hasn't Adad posted here yet? Why hasn't Adad set up his own request form or provided contact information? I want a serial. Right now. I salvaged a system with 512mb ram, and a 2.8ghz CPU. I want to run an FDS for RenAlert. Where is Adad at? Fail.
For those of you that don't remember, there was a time when the FDS serial webpage was completely broken. This lasted for a few months and then EA fixed it. I know multiple people made scripts to claim alot of serials incase the webpage ever broke again, and at this time no one knew it could actually run out of serials. So bashing Adad or anyone else that did this is stupid, as they were just thinking ahead, getting prepared if it ever broke again.
Yeah, and I don't fault him for that. If I remember right, he never knew his script would get so many so quickly, or that it would actually run out. All I'm asking for is a measly 1000 which would last us years so that I can make them more easily available to the community again.
Solution to the problem: Enter EA HQ and steal the master serial server. Me and Crimson sneak into EA HQ desguised as repairmen. We both have handlebar mustaches. We tell them we are there to do some routine maintenence on the server and when we receive it, we high tail it out of there! Then we escape from our conveniently placed rooftop Hot Air balloon while the EA CEO shakes his fist in fist shaking rage at our daring. Upon reaching the BHS Derigible we enter and attempt to set up the server to get to work. To our dismay however, when we plug it in and turn it on it blue screens while opening the Database! Luckily Aircraftkiller was near to lend us advice on why it was crashing. Indeed, someone had skinned this Oracle build... With some working we managed to deskin it and texture it properly and get the database opened. Adad doesn't actually exist! We now see that this was all just a ploy so EA wouldn't have to give out any more serials and the game would finally die once and for all! Fin
*applauds* BRILLAINT! Just Brilliant! A*
Compeling. I laughed, I cried, and hated EA. All of the great elements of story-telling.
DJM wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 06:49 *applauds* BRILLAINT! Just Brilliant! A*
OK, good idea Crim, hopefully we don't run out of serials again...LOL
I might have maybe 3 serials, if I find them I'll post again.
Although I prefer not taking this thread off topic, I have to say that I LOL'd at that cartoon.
Just Easin' the Tension . When everyones mad nothing gets done.
funniest cartoon ever!!!
I've said this before, but apparently, I have to say this again: If you're not going to post something relevant, or if you're going to post simply to bash the idea of leaving this post up so, in the chance that this "Adad" fell'a does read it, he might be convinced to liberate some of his ill-gotten gains, then please. Don't post here. Make your own topic elsewhere. Whine in your Live Journal. We don't care. Just take it elsewhere. Now, as for trying to sway someone like Adad, I think it's a good idea. You never know. He might very well want to give the serials out, even if for some-odd price. If not? Then oh well. At least you tried. And there's absolutely no harm in trying to talk to someone.
I PM'd adad on a particular IRC network where he hangs out, asking him to talk to me on n00bstories IRC, or on AIM. He did not respond. So he is either busy, didn't get the message, or doesn't care to discuss anything.
He openly admits to it. Plus, I asked him privately once to give us some of the serials, and this was his reply: Quote: Adad Messages: 6 Registered: April 2003 Recruit add to buddy list I'm not going to waste my time to copy/paste the serials or giving out the FDS serials mail account information. But You can tell them to pm me on the Forum or IRC. I'll give them the serials.
Let's sweeten the deal. 1000 serials, $100. Take it or leave it.
That says quite a bit considering it wasn't too long ago that you were asking for donations, hun. Or. . .maybe that was someone else. . . I don't remember. But I do know that you still have lots of money going out, so. . .
Joseph Collins wrote on Mon, 12 September 2005 23:04 That says quite a bit considering it wasn't too long ago that you were asking for donations, hun. Or. . .maybe that was someone else. . . I don't remember. But I do know that you still have lots of money going out, so. . . that sounded a tad bit ungrateful.
Well, I have a job now. And the community is worth the money, except for a few select individuals.
That comic was a LMAO for sure.... Kudos for that creation!
Crimson wrote on Tue, 13 September 2005 03:57 Well, I have a job now. And the community is worth the money, except for a few select individuals. I'm sorry you hate me so much -_- I'm kidding of course. You love all the bitchy snipers. ^_^
Nice comic Doitle ^_^
Chronojam wrote on Tue, 13 September 2005 17:08 I'm kidding of course. You love all the bitchy snipers. ^_^ She might, but I don't. Jackass. You make me look pitiful. T_T
The posted comic sounds more realistic than the story about this Adad does. Someone wrote that a few people have had claimed some FDS serials in the past via a script. I think this Adad had the same script, but changed it to the maximum settings to get all serials which were left in the database. If this is true (and not the comic story), this (13yr old poor?) guy ruined many plans from others hosting a game in the future. He has achieved that the whole community is being annoyed of him. Including me, I noticed the empty database as I wanted to register a 3rd serial... Back to the present: No FDS serials available anymore. So what? Someone wrote we have enough servers. Right, most of them have a poor connection, only stupid standard gameplay or something else. But it isn't fair to steal all other serials just for fun. What is he planning to do with them? Offering them on Ebay? ROFL, he won't even sell one single serial I hope. Now we can't get serials anymore and hey, Adad will NOT give out 1,000 serials for 100 US-Dollars? There you have it. BHS, I like you (YOU are keeping Renegade alive), but this is a lame endeavour to get some serials. I cannot believe my eyes as I read the 100$ post. This guy has been given the community a damage like the 2 times WOL was hacked last year (H4CKBOT - I PWNED YOU BITCH...over 80 times on game listings....we remember) and you are coming to him on your knees and ask him nicely for some serials? Wooozzzaaa. My adrenaline jumps in heights I never thought it can reach before. IMHO it's not really worth 100$, the offer (more a request) was canceled from the other party... Only a few will give out his/her serials anymore now. Trust me and I can understand that. For example= I must pay about 50 € in Germany for a dedicated server to host Renegade on. This is the minimum, other servers are too weak. If I must pay 50€ monthly and have a free serial, I would prefer this instead of buying a serial with an expensive price (because XY wants me to) PLUS renting a server. Surely nothing is for free in this world, but this is called 'to whip someone' and results in a really bad reputation all over Renegade. Stop this insanity please. IMHO Adad can print his approximately 50,000 serials, stick it on the wall above his Bed and say to himself: 'I pwned C&C Renegade' or whatever. I can live without him and you other players should agree more or less with this phrase. I want to have feedback to this what I wrote now. Thanks. Feel free to delete this post, but I think that i'm right with it.
To be brief, and blunt. . ."You can catch for flies with honey than with vinegar." That's likely the way Black Hand wishes to do things in regards t Adad and other people with an absurd amount of Free Dedicated Server serial numbers. Bitchslapping him and yelling at him will only prove to agitate him and possibly provoke him into taunting them further. Being polite, and even going as far as to offer real money for them. . .that's the only logical route to take. Sometimes you've just gotta do wha'cha gotta do. . .
His reasons for not accepting the 100$ deal has nothing to do with the community. Ask and i bet he will give you one willingly. Remember: Whitedragon wrote on Sun, 11 September 2005 02:38 For those of you that don't remember, there was a time when the FDS serial webpage was completely broken. This lasted for a few months and then EA fixed it. I know multiple people made scripts to claim alot of serials incase the webpage ever broke again, and at this time no one knew it could actually run out of serials. So bashing Adad or anyone else that did this is stupid, as they were just thinking ahead, getting prepared if it ever broke again.
OK, there are some ways to make me change my mind about him: If you both knwo more than me, tell me, if Adad doesn't accept the deal and just give out only a few serials step by step...why does he keep the thousands of the other serials? What is the reason for 'stealing' the rest of those FDS serials worldwide and acting like the renegade serial server but only as a human? I don't see any sense behind this. If he wanted to have more serials than all the others, it would have been enough to claim 100 or 1,000. I cannot imagine that it was EA's intention that we have to pay for a serial someday. If a program is freeware over years and turns into the shareware status someday, I only will pay for it if it's worth it. I know people who are holding more than 2-3 FDS serials. Ask the Serveradmins from MP, BlackCell, Xphaze and some other. Surely they have more serials as they need. I have 2 to set up 2 servers, and I don't need more. In my opinion, 2 per person is enough. Do you know this Adad from real life? I think not, if I'm wrong correct me. If yes, tell me the answers to my questions pleaase. a) Why did he take the rest of all serials (I can't imagine that he didn't know what he was doing) b) Why doesn't he accept this great offer? To have 100$ or not to have. 1,000 serials would be hardly enough for the community c) Why would he give out single serials when a user requests one? d) Why isn't he registered on this Board at renforums.com? Would be way easier to PM him, as some just hop from IRC channel to antother IRC channel in order to find him. e) How old is he? For some people like me this can be important. I can't find any logical route on his behavior: Claiming all available serials, then denying a real-money-offer, but giving out single serials by request. f) Finally who can proof that this Adad is not a fake and where can i find a statement of him where he cenfesses that he IS the thief?
ssptweek wrote on Wed, 14 September 2005 06:34 His reasons for not accepting the 100$ deal has nothing to do with the community. Ask and i bet he will give you one willingly. Do you know that for a fact? If so, why are you just fucking around here instead of listing them? Either way you're just running your mouth, asshat, and causing more grief than good with this hope of some secret reason why 1,000 supposed-to-be-free-server-serials aren't worth $100. (PS People said to ask for a serial and he'd give one willingly, but I still don't have mine =D So I bet he won't give one willingly)
EA-DamageEverything wrote on Wed, 14 September 2005 09:26 OK, there are some ways to make me change my mind about him: If you both knwo more than me, tell me, if Adad doesn't accept the deal and just give out only a few serials step by step...why does he keep the thousands of the other serials? What is the reason for 'stealing' the rest of those FDS serials worldwide and acting like the renegade serial server but only as a human? I don't see any sense behind this. If he wanted to have more serials than all the others, it would have been enough to claim 100 or 1,000. I cannot imagine that it was EA's intention that we have to pay for a serial someday. If a program is freeware over years and turns into the shareware status someday, I only will pay for it if it's worth it. I know people who are holding more than 2-3 FDS serials. Ask the Serveradmins from MP, BlackCell, Xphaze and some other. Surely they have more serials as they need. I have 2 to set up 2 servers, and I don't need more. In my opinion, 2 per person is enough. Do you know this Adad from real life? I think not, if I'm wrong correct me. If yes, tell me the answers to my questions pleaase. a) Why did he take the rest of all serials (I can't imagine that he didn't know what he was doing) b) Why doesn't he accept this great offer? To have 100$ or not to have. 1,000 serials would be hardly enough for the community c) Why would he give out single serials when a user requests one? d) Why isn't he registered on this Board at renforums.com? Would be way easier to PM him, as some just hop from IRC channel to antother IRC channel in order to find him. e) How old is he? For some people like me this can be important. I can't find any logical route on his behavior: Claiming all available serials, then denying a real-money-offer, but giving out single serials by request. f) Finally who can proof that this Adad is not a fake and where can i find a statement of him where he cenfesses that he IS the thief? A) Adad had no idea it was going to claim all of the serials, he only did it in case the server ever went down again. B) It is Adad's decision to tell you anything. Not my place. I just know he won't take the deal. C) I have no idea, it is the way he wants to do it. D) He is registered on these forums, and has been for some time. E) He can tell you. F) He is on IRC all the time, find him. Chronojam wrote on Wed, 14 September 2005 09:26 Do you know that for a fact? If so, why are you just fucking around here instead of listing them? Either way you're just running your mouth, asshat, and causing more grief than good with this hope of some secret reason why 1,000 supposed-to-be-free-server-serials aren't worth $100. (PS People said to ask for a serial and he'd give one willingly, but I still don't have mine =D So I bet he won't give one willingly) I can't list them, when I am not Adad. I am running my mouth? Geez, I thought I was being nice, when I said he wasn't going to accept the deal. I could of left you in the dark. I'm not running my mouth, just trying to help out. Adad probably won't come and post. So, I just posted that he won't take the deal. I didn't have to do that. Posts like the one you made could be the reason why he hasn't given you a FDS serial.
You keep on banning those names that speak the truth and removing the topics and now switched the login to manuel confrontation... a bit paranoid are we? THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!!
ssptweek wrote on Wed, 14 September 2005 20:49 A) Adad had no idea it was going to claim all of the serials, he only did it in case the server ever went down again. B) It is Adad's decision to tell you anything. Not my place. I just know he won't take the deal. C) I have no idea, it is the way he wants to do it. D) He is registered on these forums, and has been for some time. E) He can tell you. F) He is on IRC all the time, find him. a) You may be right that he did it in case the server someday will be down forever, but I'm standing to my point that he must have known what the script does exactly. When I got new scripts, Software etc, I am looking for information if the thing messes my comp up, how it works and such things. I do NOT believe that he had no clue the scripts would take over all serials. d) Sure? Not with this Name. I searched the member 'Adad' and there were no results... f) Thinking about how big the entire IRC is, can you tell me the IRC server he is on everyday? By the way, where would be the problem just to give the serials back to Ea, so they can put them back online? The serial server is still running, but it's empty. What a waste...I mean, I have nothing against that he will hold a few hundred serials back for himself. Not everybody has IRC, not everyone is registered in here, so it's way much easier to access a webserver than a guy whose uptime on the web is dynamically. Did you get my point now?
Adad is registered on these forums, and I have asked him in private in the past if he would part with some of them and allow me to redistribute them to the community. This "maybe he doesn't like you" response is the EXACT reason why BHS would like to redistribute them. The ONLY thing I would require in order to get a serial is that you prove you are a human and not a bot by identifying some letters like most places do these days. Like or Dislike of a person wouldn't figure into it. But if this is how you want to play it, that's fine. I have other options to get serials out to the people who actually deserve them. Offer for $100 withdrawn.
grnfusion wrote on Wed, 14 September 2005 17:45 You keep on banning those names that speak the truth and removing the topics and now switched the login to manuel confrontation... a bit paranoid are we? THE TRUTH IS OUT THERE!!! Correct, the truth is out there. Too bad you fail to see it.
Simply put, Crim(and possibly other people on the administration staff) are finally getting tired of the rations of horseplop that continues issuing forth from the bowels of those whose life goal is simply to offend, irritate, and generally abuse their anonyminity to their fullest. But enough about that. Let's get back on topic, shall we?
Joseph Collins wrote on Thu, 15 September 2005 06:12 ...of those whose life goal is simply to offend, irritate, and generally abuse their anonyminity to their fullest. But enough about that. Let's get back on topic, shall we? I for myself just wrote down my opinion about this. I'm not one of such Users who always flames at other Users, I thought this had to be written down. I added 'Feel free to delete this...', so Admins have the possibility to move/delete my post if they feel it's posted in the wrong thread. And hey, we're all using Nicks on Forums (you included I think) and I don't wanna abuse my anonyminity. I am not a professional spammer and don't want to be one in future. If you miss some Quality in my posts, let me know. BTW, my Name is Andy . This is not meant to offend you, I can't keep my mouth shut if I think I've got something to say. I agree with you friendly= back to original Topic.
You know what? This guy is actually worse than EA. Shocking, I know. To get the serials from EA, all you had to do was hope the server was up, as it was 90% of the time. I bet he sleeps maybe 1/4th the day, so that cuts it down to 75% of the day where he's capable of being online. That's not counting times where he's eating, working, playing, etc. EA never made you track down what server and channel they were on on some obscure IRC network. EA never made you have to register on a forum to try to get a serial. EA never made you have to pass this mystery "do we like you" test that's got no standards at all. EA never made you come to the point of offering cash for a free thing. EA never went to shady sites. EA never stole all remaining freebies that were for public use for any purpose (I'm surprised they haven't actually). EA never would turn down cash-for-nothing. EA showed up for the C&C 10th celebration. EA actually has convinced many hundreds of people to work for them. EA actually has a telephone number you can call most hours of the day.
Freakin' amen, brother. I think I've skimmed some of those points in general, but with that post, I'm pretty sure you covered all that remains.
Do you guys really think that by trying to publicly humiliate and insulting him you will convince him to give you something? You are all saying how hard it is to find him but it really isn't. He hangs out on numerous IRC servers and a lot of people could tell you at least one you could find him on. He also has accounts on many forums(including this one) you could send him a PM requesting a serial. I haven't talked to him about this so I don't know his reasons why he doesn't want to give them out but they are his to do what he pleases with. If he wants to be the one to give them out instead of BHS, deal with it. If all you want is for people to be able to get serials easily then make a sticky telling people to contact adad and have a link to PM him or something. Even if they have to wait a few days it is better than not getting a serial at all. For all you know he may evenyually get tired of everyone bugging him for serials and decide to give you some but the more everyone insults him the less chance there is of him giving serials to anyone.
almor999 wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 02:14 Do you guys really think that by trying to publicly humiliate and insulting him you will convince him to give you something? You are all saying how hard it is to find him but it really isn't. He hangs out on numerous IRC servers and a lot of people could tell you at least one you could find him on. He also has accounts on many forums(including this one) you could send him a PM requesting a serial. I haven't talked to him about this so I don't know his reasons why he doesn't want to give them out but they are his to do what he pleases with. If he wants to be the one to give them out instead of BHS, deal with it. If all you want is for people to be able to get serials easily then make a sticky telling people to contact adad and have a link to PM him or something. Even if they have to wait a few days it is better than not getting a serial at all. For all you know he may evenyually get tired of everyone bugging him for serials and decide to give you some but the more everyone insults him the less chance there is of him giving serials to anyone. Way to disregard everything we've stated. Let's recap: 1) The average person won't know that Adad is the one to get in contact with 2) The average person won't know where to contact Adad 3) The average person might not be liked by Adad 4) Are they really "his to do what he pleases with"? Will he really use that many FDS serials? If not, then I think most of us here will agree that they're not exactly "his to do what he pleases with" 5) The ones asking for the multitude of serials (BHS) are NOT the ones whom are insulting him. 6) Humiliation is something you face every day, especially when you have done shifty things that you could regret later and wish to come clean.
Quote: 1) The average person won't know that Adad is the one to get in contact with 2) The average person won't know where to contact Adad As I said, BHS could post a way to contact Adad, the only reason not to do that would be if they wanted the credit for giving out serials. I won't argue with the fact that it would be easier to get them if BHS had them but it doesn't look like that is going to happen. Quote: 3) The average person might not be liked by Adad He told Crimson that if she sent people to him, he would give them serials. If that person does something to annoy Adad then it is their own fault they wont get one from him. A lot of the time he is AFK on IRC so send him a PM or leave a message for him on IRC and wait. Quote: 4) Are they really "his to do what he pleases with"? Will he really use that many FDS serials? If not, then I think most of us here will agree that they're not exactly "his to do what he pleases with" You seem to have completely missed my point. I am not arguing about whether he should have that many serials. I am just saying that he is in possession of them and EA is not going to do anything about it. For all intents and purposes those serials are his and he decides what is done with them. Quote: 5) The ones asking for the multitude of serials (BHS) are NOT the ones whom are insulting him. Yes, and I commend crimson and Blazer for telling people not to insult Adad. I am sure Crimson had good intentions but Adad already told her what he would/would not do. To me this just looks like an attempt to humiliate/shame him into giving her serials. Instead of continuing to harass him she could just send people to him. Quote: 6) Humiliation is something you face every day, especially when you have done shifty things that you could regret later and wish to come clean. I am not Adad and cannot speak for him, I am just telling you how I see things. I know the more people posted crap about me and "humiliated" me, the less chance there would be of them getting something from me.
Well, to be honest, I have been sending people to Adad under protest for several months now. Mac and I were hoping that by making a public appeal, that the community would support us and Adad might reconsider his previous rejection of our request. But instead it brought all the morons out of the woodwork and I have withdrawn my offer. I am now persuing other means of solving this problem.
Crimson, what do you expect from a community mainly comprised of idiots? I, personally, don't see a need for any more servers to be put up, but if people want to, I don't see why they can't. The best servers are going to be the ones that succeed whether or not there are 20 or 200 servers. I support the idea of getting the serials from Adad. Though, whether or not he wants to give them out, there's no harm in asking. They ARE his, whether or not most view this as "fair". From what I gather, this wasn't his original intention to drain the available serials. I'm sure nobody thought that it would either. Has Adad even viewed this topic? Does he know this is even here? That could be why you haven't received a public response from him.
Chronojam wrote on Thu, 15 September 2005 22:44 1) EA never made you have to pass this mystery "do we like you" test that's got no standards at all. 2) EA never made you come to the point of offering cash for a free thing. 3) EA never stole all remaining freebies that were for public use for any purpose. 4) EA actually has a telephone number you can call most hours of the day. I agree. Kanezor wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 08:20 1) The average person won't know that Adad is the one to get in contact with 2) The average person won't know where to contact Adad 3) The average person might not be liked by Adad 4) Are they really "his to do what he pleases with"? Will he really use that many FDS serials? If not, then I think most of us here will agree that they're not exactly "his to do what he pleases with" And I agree to those Points also. ------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Yes call me a moron Crimson. I think it's female logic offering money for something free. Everybody has the right to claim some serials, but there's nothing that gives a single person the rights to claim more than a normal amount (which should be limited to 10 per person). I have 2 serials and don't need more. If Adad is registered in this forum, why doens't he reply to my questions? I don't have the patience searching all knwon IRC servers to find him. Too bad, seems he is too shy. Does EA really know that he holds the large amount of FDS serials? I think not. But I remember this guy from EA who is registered here. Maybe he had looked inside this thread. I'm standing to my point, Adad should give back the serials to EA so they can put them back on. He surely can hold 50 or 100. Trying to host 100 Games and holding back 20,000 serials fearing the unknown future huh? See the facts= WOL came back up everytime, the Rankserver is up and the Serialserver too. If EA really wants to shutdown all that belongs to Renegade, they would shut down all servers at the same time. So I had no fear Renegade will be running out of FDS serials at anytime. Till I read from this guy (and the others who claimed some by scripts). We have 2005, you can buy Rengade over the Internet, some shopping malls have it too. I am currently working on my own project 'Worlds greatest Download Database for Renegade' which will be up till Winter begins. I'm not that moron who only starts flamewars on forums. I am registered on many forums to help out and hope that we all can play Rene for the next 5 years. Surely BHS are the unofficial Masterminds behind Renegade since EA gave up. But don't forget the others opinions and analyze them if there isn't a bit of truth in their posts. EDIT= j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 20:33 Crimson, what do you expect from a community mainly comprised of idiots? And such people who call barely all other users Idiots are not that intelligent. You Sir, have been pwned.
EA-DamageEverything wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 15:39 Chronojam wrote on Thu, 15 September 2005 22:44 1) EA never made you have to pass this mystery "do we like you" test that's got no standards at all. 2) EA never made you come to the point of offering cash for a free thing. 3) EA never stole all remaining freebies that were for public use for any purpose. 4) EA actually has a telephone number you can call most hours of the day. I agree. Kanezor wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 08:20 1) The average person won't know that Adad is the one to get in contact with 2) The average person won't know where to contact Adad 3) The average person might not be liked by Adad 4) Are they really "his to do what he pleases with"? Will he really use that many FDS serials? If not, then I think most of us here will agree that they're not exactly "his to do what he pleases with" And I agree to those Points also. ------------------------------------------------------------ ---- Yes call me a moron Crimson. I think it's female logic offering money for something free. Everybody has the right to claim some serials, but there's nothing that gives a single person the rights to claim more than a normal amount (which should be limited to 10 per person). I have 2 serials and don't need more. If Adad is registered in this forum, why doens't he reply to my questions? I don't have the patience searching all knwon IRC servers to find him. Too bad, seems he is too shy. Does EA really know that he holds the large amount of FDS serials? I think not. But I remember this guy from EA who is registered here. Maybe he had looked inside this thread. I'm standing to my point, Adad should give back the serials to EA so they can put them back on. He surely can hold 50 or 100. Trying to host 100 Games and holding back 20,000 serials fearing the unknown future huh? See the facts= WOL came back up everytime, the Rankserver is up and the Serialserver too. If EA really wants to shutdown all that belongs to Renegade, they would shut down all servers at the same time. So I had no fear Renegade will be running out of FDS serials at anytime. Till I read from this guy (and the others who claimed some by scripts). We have 2005, you can buy Rengade over the Internet, some shopping malls have it too. I am currently working on my own project 'Worlds greatest Download Database for Renegade' which will be up till Winter begins. I'm not that moron who only starts flamewars on forums. I am registered on many forums to help out and hope that we all can play Rene for the next 5 years. Surely BHS are the unofficial Masterminds behind Renegade since EA gave up. But don't forget the others opinions and analyze them if there isn't a bit of truth in their posts. EDIT= j_ball430 wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 20:33 Crimson, what do you expect from a community mainly comprised of idiots? And such people who call barely all other users Idiots are not that intelligent. You Sir, have been pwned. Do you live under a rock? You seem to think this is a perfect world, where everything is fair and everyone gets what they want. Perhaps the reason Adad is not replying to you is because he saw you writing shit about him in this thread? If you think this forum/communtiy isn't comprised of a lot of idiots you need to open your eyes. Look at the amount of flaming, argueing, spamming etc and how everyone acts. Jball is one of the few people on this forum who shows intelligence on a regular basis, you seem to be the one lacking intelligence here. Also I am not sure how you think you "pwned" him because you did not.
He doesn't seem to grasp the idea that free serials with no limit means that anybody can obtain ANY amount that they want. Sure, people don't need more than one or two, but that doesn't mean that they can't have as many as they want. EA doesn't give a damn about the serials, and they won't bother reissuing out the serials, so to give them back would be utterly pointless. Absolutely, I was "pwned" because anybody who can see the lack of intelligence on these forums obviously has sub-par intelligence themselves. The lack of intelligence on these forums is easy to see, and most (intelligent) people here will agree.
I agree. ...I haven't much to say on this topic, but, uh... Hand over those FDS Serials!
Just throwing in my 2 cents. 1. I have no bad feelings towards Adad, I don't even really know the guy. The only time I have talked to him was when he asked me for a vhost on our network. 2. I believe that Adad did not purposefully intend to exhaust all of the serials. From what I understand he was just trying to get "a bunch" and the script was basically an (unintentional) endless loop and quickly claimed thousands of serials (all the remaining ones). 3. I have tried contacting Adad to talk to him. However the irc network where he can be found is also full of people who dislike the admins here, me included. So the last time I went there, I had just enough time to PM Adad before I was /killed and gzlined. In the PM I told him simply that I wished to talk to him, and that he could come talk to me on IRC, or on AIM, and I gave him my screename. He never contacted me. That being said, I do have some questions that I was hoping to clear up by talking to him: 1. If he reserved a mass amount of serials "in case the serial server didn't come back up", then why doesn't he want to see them distributed in an efficient unbiased manner? 2. Why on earth would he turn down an offer of $100 in echange for a tiny portion of the huge amount of serials that he has? The serials themselves are not worth anything and as someone pointed out there is no money to be made selling them on ebay or something, and if he has 50,000+, what could compel someone to pass up $100 in exchange for 1000 of them? There is only one answer to this question, and that is either "hate", or "spite". So I'm thinking he either deeply dislikes BHS or specific members of BHS, or perhaps even feels that one of the BHS members wronged him somehow in the past, and thus he does not want to deal with us. I would really like to talk to him about this, because I have a feeling that whatever the issue is, it's probably a misunderstanding. 3. Why does he refuse to talk to any of us, either by just replying on these forums, coming to our IRC (I know what happens if I go to his IRC), or relaying a neutral place to talk via the people here that apparently are allowed to safely talk to him? I have a feeling that person(s) unknown, have been "filling his head" with who knows what about BHS, because I really dont understand what harm he could see in there being an again working web page that people could request serials from. So I have to think that for some reason he is making it personal, and since I don't know of anyway that we have wronged him, he must be listening to the folks that he hangs out with that do not like us for various reasons. Some people have suggested that it is a "power" thing, that he enjoys being the only person with all of the serials, and likes being able to pick and choose who can have one and who can't...but to be honest I never saw him as that type of person, and until I talk to him and hear it from him, I don't believe that is the case. Adad, if you are reading this, or someone has pasted it to you, can we please have a conversation? I just want to tell you about the web page that can distribute the serials. If you want it can even have a banner that says "Thanks to Adad" if recognition is what you are after...our only interest is in restoring the automated service. So give me a chance and hear me out. All I want is a chance to prove to you that what we are trying to do is for the benefit of everyone. If you for whatever reason don't want to help, that's fine just say so and why, and we will stop trying to contact you. EDIT: And to everyone else, please try not to bash Adad in this thread...since we havn't talked to him personally, we have no idea what his real intentions are, so there's no need to speculate and say negative things based on those speculations. The reason this thread was created was to contact him and formally ask him for some serials, and show him that other people would like to see the automated process restored.
Yes, I read the whole topic and all I want to say is that I support BHS in this (t(hat's what this topic was ment for)
Goztow wrote on Sat, 17 September 2005 12:56 Yes, I read the whole topic and all I want to say is that I support BHS in this (t(hat's what this topic was ment for) By saying that you mean you're going to let them do all the work and leech serials off them once their work is done. That or yout wanted post count +1. Of course, if it is just to get +1 I hope you know that your opinion in that pointless post was not needed. In fact you might aswell have posted "Yes." and be done with it.
Blazer wrote on Fri, 16 September 2005 20:50 3. I have tried contacting Adad to talk to him. However the irc network where he can be found is also full of people who dislike the admins here, me included. So the last time I went there, I had just enough time to PM Adad before I was /killed and gzlined. In the PM I told him simply that I wished to talk to him, and that he could come talk to me on IRC, or on AIM, and I gave him my screename. He never contacted me. Lol, in which IRC network was that in?
Probably CloudyOneStudios or Fnfall, both of which are cool in my books.
Could also be Black-Cell's, he is in there all the time.
What have I ever done to BC? I'd really like to know, especially since they have had me banned from all of their Renegade servers for like 1.5 years now
Ma1kel wrote on Sat, 17 September 2005 09:57 Lol, in which IRC network was that in? st0rmgaming
xptek wrote on Sat, 17 September 2005 19:03 Probably CloudyOneStudios or Fnfall, both of which are cool in my books. CloudyOneStudios = CloudyServ? Look at the pic, I was on the "Adadserv" which is hosted on WOL US last night. Small server running exactly the same modifications as the MP-Coop serer.
St0rmGaming is Wilost0rm's clan thing. I wouldn't be suprised if he didn't let you guys in.
EA-DamageEverything wrote on Sun, 18 September 2005 08:53 xptek wrote on Sat, 17 September 2005 19:03 Probably CloudyOneStudios or Fnfall, both of which are cool in my books. CloudyOneStudios = CloudyServ? Look at the pic, I was on the "Adadserv" which is hosted on WOL US last night. Small server running exactly the same modifications as the MP-Coop serer. CloudyOneStudios made CloudyServ( cs.cloudyonestudios.com ). I believe the first version(s) were made by CloudyOne but the recent work was done by Adad. AdadServ is a co-op server, I am assuming that is the mod you are talking about?
coop P Pronunciation Key (kp) n. An enclosure or cage, as for poultry or small animals.
Aircraftkiller wrote on Sun, 18 September 2005 11:04 coop P Pronunciation Key (kp) n. An enclosure or cage, as for poultry or small animals. Fixed.
almor999 wrote on Sun, 18 September 2005 16:54 I am assuming that is the mod you are talking about? Yes, but in comparison to MP, I had a ping of 500(!) on it, although it's an 8 Slot server. MP has only 200 due to the fact I'm connected from Europe (all WOL US servers aren't below a Ping of 170 on my side, I know you US/Canadian guys have green lights -I have only yellow in the game listings). Never figured out why, I have this issue since WOL changed some settings last summer.
EA-DamageEverything wrote on Sun, 18 September 2005 14:50 almor999 wrote on Sun, 18 September 2005 16:54 I am assuming that is the mod you are talking about? Yes, but in comparison to MP, I had a ping of 500(!) on it, although it's an 8 Slot server. MP has only 200 due to the fact I'm connected from Europe (all WOL US servers aren't below a Ping of 170 on my side, I know you US/Canadian guys have green lights -I have only yellow in the game listings). Never figured out why, I have this issue since WOL changed some settings last summer. The reason you had a high ping on Adad's server is because it is located in China.
I support this primarily because I need a serial to install RenegadeFDS to start up a server for my clan.....But, I also agree with the others of this topic that there should be a limit to how many serials you can claim. I would say that no one person can obtain no more than 5 or less serials. Otherwise, full support!
almor999 wrote on Sun, 18 September 2005 22:54 The reason you had a high ping on Adad's server is because it is located in China. Now I know what Adad want to do= He would like to fill up the WOL Pacific with servers! Good Job, Adad, go for it!! And I thought, the pacific channel is for testing purpose only...