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OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Yes, please do. Mine.
creator: icedog90
date: 2005-08-08T09:15:10-00:00

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description: I've since installed cathode lights too. 2.6GHz Pentium 4. (shit). When I get a new job I'll be saving up for a 3.8GHz 256MB GeForce 6800 GT 1024MB PCI2700 DDR RAM 80Gb seagate Hard Drive External 160Gb Hard drive with schedualed backups. 512kbps connection (shit) Not great but it does the job.
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-08T10:57:40-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: We have the same cheapo case, icedog. But not the same cheapo keyboard.
creator: DrasticDR
date: 2005-08-08T15:42:45-00:00

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description: lol kikass guys thats awesome mine is all neon green with strobes around the normally blue emachines powerbutton i have the same speakers as icedog but not the same woofer deal.
creator: spazbeast
date: 2005-08-08T16:24:16-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: I've also bought a few UV reactive tie wraps to tidy up the wires and a small rotating lazer beam on the inside. Don't forget the side fan grill in the post too!
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-08T18:53:33-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Messy after birthday party...
creator: Scythar
date: 2005-08-08T19:44:15-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: no camera, sorry maybe sometime later. Im gettin a custom sticker put on the front(my avi, but in blue instead of Red) and I got an all black X-Navigator Case if that makes any difference to teh imagination(Blue LEDs, Blue Neons.)
creator: Jecht
date: 2005-08-08T19:53:21-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: My desk is a mess, but here it is anyway! The right TFT monitor also functions as a TV. Oh...and I like diet coke....
creator: danpaul88
date: 2005-08-08T22:37:48-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: You people drink too much Coke. Try water, is doesn't dehydrate you (yes, Coke, like most caffeinated drinks and full-o-sugar drinks does indeed dehydrate you). Nice desktops, I especially love danpaul's dual display.
creator: Aprime
date: 2005-08-08T22:58:41-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Actually I do drink a lot of water as well, but I like some nice caffinated coke
creator: danpaul88
date: 2005-08-08T23:00:25-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: danpaul88 wrote on Mon, 08 August 2005 18:37 My desk is a mess You havent seen mine. If i had a camera, i would show you, but i dont, so im SOL on proof.
creator: Lijitsu
date: 2005-08-09T00:53:04-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: pictures with 1337speak and internet jargon text on them were clever five years ago. Stop spamming topics with them.
creator: Jecht
date: 2005-08-09T08:09:16-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Hey, i actually said something this time under it. But your right, their getting annoying. Ill post them whenever they REALLY need to be posted.
creator: Lijitsu
date: 2005-08-09T08:15:03-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: So never?
creator: mrpirate
date: 2005-08-09T12:36:58-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: nopics topic?
creator: Nightma12
date: 2005-08-09T12:50:54-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Nightma12 wrote on Tue, 09 August 2005 08:50 nopics topic? Exactly!
creator: Lijitsu
date: 2005-08-09T12:56:52-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Let's get back on topic. Barely anyone showed their desk space, come on people.
creator: icedog90
date: 2005-08-09T22:09:12-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: I'll post new pics on Thursday when I have my new DVD and floppy drive installed (black so they fit in with the black case instead of grey). It'll have my uber rotating £1 lazer in it too. Hopefully I'll have tidied up all those wires to, ugh what a mess. Maybe I'll move the cathodes round a bit, they aren't too visible atm.
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-09T23:03:35-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: On a different subject icedog, what is that dip in the front of your PC? It looks like a coffee dispenser.
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-09T23:07:03-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: My desk space is that amazing that if i were to show it to you, i would have to track you all down and kill you. Joke
creator: TEKNIK
date: 2005-08-09T23:22:48-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: DJM wrote on Wed, 10 August 2005 00:07 On a different subject icedog, what is that dip in the front of your PC? It looks like a coffee dispenser. Circle it in my picture.
creator: icedog90
date: 2005-08-09T23:34:24-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: My computer is stuck on the floor for now... thats my deskspace... wanna see that? :\
creator: z310
date: 2005-08-10T03:54:50-00:00

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description: It works. Since the photos I have added a surround sound system...(A bigger and better one)... And off the subject but...FEAR MY DOGGY!
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2005-08-10T04:12:09-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: lolaDell
creator: Aprime
date: 2005-08-10T09:15:23-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-10T09:39:10-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: icedog, i got the same speakers as you.
creator: Jecht
date: 2005-08-10T09:39:24-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: DJM wrote on Wed, 10 August 2005 05:39 DUDE... I WANT THAT TOWER!
creator: Lijitsu
date: 2005-08-10T10:16:11-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Quote: lolaDell RAWR...It is a Dell with alot of upgrades.
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2005-08-10T18:03:03-00:00

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description: Dell sucks, I'd save the money for a brand new custom desktop instead of wasting it on upgrading the Dell. And: Whatever comes to your mind. gbull wrote on Wed, 10 August 2005 04:39 icedog, i got the same speakers as you. Do they do this weird screeching noise that sounds like you're turning on night vision? Mine do, and no one was able to help me in the Creative technical support forums. I think I'm going to call them and ask them to replace my current set, since I still have my warranty.
creator: icedog90
date: 2005-08-10T19:24:08-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Most of the parts in my dell have been replaced with new ones. But why do people hate dell so much anyway?
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2005-08-11T00:49:21-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Because Dell sucks, their computers suck, their prices suck, and their tech support SUCKS (trust me, my friend has a Dell laptop and over time several parts died. Each time Dell never sent him replacements even though they called and said they would).
creator: icedog90
date: 2005-08-11T01:49:13-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Yeah thinking back a bit, if you remember a post I had made about the 'Dell' wireless USB adapter I had... It sucked, badly. Not only did I NOT get a full refund for the piece of crap, but they charged us for the shipping back to them. I am glad though that I hardly have any Dell parts in my pc...glad I replaced them all.
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2005-08-11T01:52:20-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: My advice would be to upgrade no longer and start saving until you have a lot of money, then build a computer.
creator: icedog90
date: 2005-08-11T01:58:35-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: My computer is almost set up the way I want it. The only things I want to get now is more RAM and a new case. At the moment I can run any game I have. But, the dell case takes away from the beauty of the parts I put inside.
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2005-08-11T02:01:49-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Send the case my way... It is a sturdy case... and its not fucked up like the MGE case I have now... :\
creator: z310
date: 2005-08-11T07:39:29-00:00

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description: http://www.xoxide.com/x-static-case-black.html Look, a case for slightly under $30, and it's far greater than any Dell case.
creator: icedog90
date: 2005-08-11T07:51:58-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Want ot know whats creepy? That is the case I am planning on getting...Before you showed it to me...lol?
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2005-08-11T08:00:15-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Great minds work alike.
creator: icedog90
date: 2005-08-11T08:05:03-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Well, I plan to order that case by the end of the week...can't wait until it comes. yay!
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2005-08-11T08:24:09-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Never gone wrong with Aspire. This is the one I have: http://www.xoxide.com/aspire-x-navigator-black-black.html
creator: Jecht
date: 2005-08-11T09:24:09-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: oooohh...pretty...
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2005-08-11T10:08:38-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: I have an old Packard bell case if anyone wants it. 4xPCI slots 3 DVD/CD bays 1 floppy sized bay 2 hard drive bays
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-11T12:27:20-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: How much?
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2005-08-11T16:57:49-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: I ment send it my way... as in free. I would just pay for the shipping and handling I really cannot afford a case right now. I'm trying, though.
creator: z310
date: 2005-08-12T04:12:46-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Shipping and handling for a case is expensive. It's like half of the price of a decent case. Why not save a little more extra for a new one?
creator: icedog90
date: 2005-08-12T05:38:45-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Is he talking about my Dell case or someone elses?
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2005-08-12T06:13:41-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Give me a few bucks and I'll get you an official Alienware case, and I'm talking about the new ones, not the old ones... For some reason the local computer store has a bunch for sale. :\
creator: Aprime
date: 2005-08-12T09:01:34-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Well if anybody wants my old one, you can have it as long as you pay for postage and packaging. I'll get pics when I get back from Golf.
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-12T10:36:17-00:00

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description: I hate dell to, since I had an old one 2.0 GHZ. And it just suddenly started running slow. (no malware or virus)Man, I hate dell. Got an IBM some years ago, and it's still working fine. The dell only worked about 6 months.
creator: Jokah
date: 2005-08-13T16:14:03-00:00

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description: I have a Dell, and I have had no problems with it. I don't know why people bitch about how much they suck... Maybe I was just lucky...
creator: bandie63
date: 2005-08-13T16:32:25-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: xD
creator: zunnie
date: 2005-08-13T16:59:11-00:00

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description: Do I see a soft toy of Vivi from FFIX on the second pic there zunnie? Nice..uhm...clutter of machines there
creator: danpaul88
date: 2005-08-13T18:20:19-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: zunnie wrote on Sat, 13 August 2005 12:59 xD That's really messy
creator: Jokah
date: 2005-08-13T18:31:07-00:00

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description: DAAAAAMM... VERY MESSY...
creator: Dave Anderson
date: 2005-08-13T18:51:53-00:00

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description: uh hehe im around him in the machine clutter i have 17 comps 4 pentium 4 speeds and all the rest r antiques i have an old compaq laptop that weighs like 30 lbs its friggin HHUUUGGGEEEE (billy fucillo)
creator: spazbeast
date: 2005-08-14T21:29:57-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Damn zunnie, next time my parents say my room is messy, Im showing them that. Hes definitely a FF fan, got Yuna on a poster in #2.
creator: Jecht
date: 2005-08-14T22:17:36-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: I'll show you new pictures of my ENTIRE deskspace when I get my pretty lil' laptop (I cancelled the order for the Sempron one and ordered a customizable Asus A6U instead, ahh Turion. ).
creator: Aprime
date: 2005-08-15T16:10:42-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: heres mine sorry the picture is small, took it with my camerphone
creator: IronWarrior
date: 2005-08-16T22:41:40-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Here is mine, I don't have the most original case but it makes do. Quote: Oh...and I like diet coke.... I hear you man, I hear you...
creator: GoArmy44
date: 2005-08-17T00:48:14-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: looks like a war strategy room.
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2005-08-17T03:40:12-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: DJM, how much was your computer, not including moniter, keyboard mouse and speakers? Cuz ive been looking for a good computer, but being 15, i dont no about much in what im looking for...i want it to be a gaming computer..mainly for games i can play online. Any suggestions on whut i would need on the inside, and how much damage it could do to my wallet is appreciated Btw, i have money to spend...
creator: Renerage
date: 2005-08-17T04:12:06-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Alienware makes one heck of a gaming computer. basically you want a computer that has a large amount of memory separate video and sound cards with large amount of memory a fast chip, amd is my preference, but intel is ok. if you go with amd a 3200+ minimum, anything 64 bit will work, and intel make sure that it's a hyperthreading chip and you will be fine. getting the 3ghz celeron is NOT okay, the 3ghz celeron is equal to the 386 that I have in my basement (not hooked up, just never thrown out). well, maybe not equal, the 386 may be faster then the celeron. People that build here can give you the actual model #'s of the items to get, and then just borrow a friends windows disk. I use windows 2000 professional on half of my computers, and XP pro on the others. they both have their ups and downs, Using NT on one of mine and it sucks, but it's only storage now. I will post a pic of my desk tomorrow, nothing special tho.
creator: meee2yo
date: 2005-08-17T05:51:03-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Yea, i have: 3.0 Ghz Pentium 4 320 GB of Hard-Disk memory 512 Megs DDR 333Mhz RAM Dual processors at 5500 MHz GeForceFX 5200 128MB DDR 8x w/Monitor Graphics accelerator. Btw, i have NO CLUE other then the memory...the computer is good, i just want better.
creator: Renerage
date: 2005-08-17T06:57:04-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: The computer you have will work fine. I'd just recommend upgrading your memory (from 512MB to at minimum 1024MB) and your video card (from 128MB to at minimum 256MB). That will give you a large boost in gaming performance.
creator: exnyte
date: 2005-08-17T07:47:46-00:00

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description: really? cuz i think its shit...slow at startup...slow at shuttin down....slow at loadin games...slow at playin em...slow on teh internet...slow on just about everything other then being a peice of junk Actually, now that i think about it...with 5000 to spend...does anyone suggest gettin the Alienware "Aurora ALX"? the one thats like 5000?
creator: Renerage
date: 2005-08-17T09:39:35-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: cheekay77 wrote on Wed, 17 August 2005 05:39 really? cuz i think its shit...slow at startup...slow at shuttin down....slow at loadin games...slow at playin em...slow on teh internet...slow on just about everything other then being a peice of junk Actually, now that i think about it...with 5000 to spend...does anyone suggest gettin the Alienware "Aurora ALX"? the one thats like 5000? Use your money to buy a decent anti-virus and anti-spyware. Combine that with hiring someone to install them properly after a hard format. That should make it faster and it will cost you less than buying a new one. And it'll make your parents love you even more!
creator: Goztow
date: 2005-08-17T10:19:08-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: ya haha since its their money im wastin
creator: Renerage
date: 2005-08-17T10:47:10-00:00

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description: agreed with goztow, a reformat clears a lot of problems....if it wasnt so damn inconvenient (having to reinstall all games etc) i would probably reformat every 6 months or so...
creator: danpaul88
date: 2005-08-17T13:10:34-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Well I have: Some really crappy NEC Computers International MoBo (SiS651) p4 2.6GHz (I'll be upgrading to an AMD athlon 3700+ when I get the money, intel sucks) 256MB GeForce 6800 GT Network Card Philips sound Agent 5.1 sound card USB 2.0 pci card 16x DVD Writer 16x DVD drive Floppy drive 80GB Hard Drive (will be upgrading that too soon) 160GB External hard drive for backups Cathode lights, lazer, LEDs etc. 4 case fans. I'm saving up at the moment to upgrade to these. Maybe better RAM: http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=302393&cks=SER HDD: http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=308200&cks=PRL MoBo: http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=307156&cks=SER Processor: http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=309484&cks=SER RAM: £085.00 HDD: £055.00 MoBo: £082.00 Processor: £195.00 Total: £417.00
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-17T13:28:48-00:00

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description: On a side note is anybody looking to buy a floppy drive/DVD drive in full working order? Grey casing. Both 4 years old, both work fine, you can have them both for £10 exc p+p. also z310 you can have my old case if you want, as long as you pay for p+p it's free.
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-17T13:34:00-00:00

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description: http://www.radioshack.com/product.asp?catalog%5Fname=CTLG&am p;am p;category%5Fname=CTLG%5F004%5F006%5F000%5F000&product%5 Fid=950%2D1649 would be perfect for a laptop. this is similiar to what I just bought. messy, sorry, did not clean it up for the pic. the computer on the left is for storage only. no drives on that one. omg, I still have christmas decorations up, i just noticed that. oh well, less to do this year lol
creator: meee2yo
date: 2005-08-17T17:23:04-00:00

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description: Don't waste your money on an Alienware computer. Everyone thinks they're the best, but that's just an ignorant opinion. They're just like customizing your own computer except that you're not building it and the prices are jacked up really high. You can make your own computer that's just as good as one of the Alienware computers for much less. DJM, nice selection, but I'd get a motherboard that's nForce 4 if I were you.
creator: icedog90
date: 2005-08-17T22:40:04-00:00

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description: NForce4 uses PCI-Express. I have an AGP video card and I aint planning on changing that any time soon. So I'll have to stick with nForce3
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-18T00:11:03-00:00

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description: Yeah, I forgot that.
creator: icedog90
date: 2005-08-18T05:05:50-00:00

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description: You think you have seen messy... you haven't seen messy... XD
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2005-08-18T06:27:46-00:00

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description: Hey Demin, shirts are supposed to go on you, not on your computer xD
creator: Jecht
date: 2005-08-18T09:46:29-00:00

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description: HOLY!!!! Damn! I thought my desk was messy!
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-18T10:47:33-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: Now why the fuck do you have a sports game?
creator: Aprime
date: 2005-08-18T13:04:17-00:00

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description: Having something covering the monitor isn't a good thing at all. But damn, that's messy.
creator: icedog90
date: 2005-08-18T20:56:42-00:00

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description: it is a EA's F1 game.
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2005-08-18T21:59:10-00:00

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description: Comrade wrote on Thu, 18 August 2005 14:04 Now why the fuck do you have a sports game? Hmmmmmmm..... maybe.... ooh I don't know.... he likes sports games?
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-18T22:02:12-00:00

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description: Counter strike. how many of these pictures has a counter strike box in it, lol.
creator: meee2yo
date: 2005-08-18T23:54:43-00:00

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description: I've been rethinking this so I need your input. Especially since half the time I don't have a clue what I'm doing when building computers. I basically want to know, will the parts from EBuyer work with each other? Or are they incompatible for some reason? Are there specific features of these parts that wont be utilised by that mobo? etc. Komplett RAM http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=302393&cks=SER HDD http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=308200&cks=PRL MoBo http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=307156&cks=SER Processor http://www.komplett.co.uk/k/ki.asp?sku=309484&cks=SER --------------------- RAM: £097.00 HDD: £055.00 MoBo: £077.00 Processor: £190.00 Delivery: £006.00 Total: £425.00 ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- EBuyer RAM http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2 hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=92879 HDD http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2 hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=80963 MoBo http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2 hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=77870 Processor http://www.ebuyer.com/customer/products/index.html?action=c2 hvd19wcm9kdWN0X292ZXJ2aWV3&product_uid=90949 -------------------- RAM: £095.52 HDD: £040.93 MoBo: £074.10 Processor: £186.48 Delivery: £005.49 Total: £403.49 ------------------------------------------------------------ --------- Komplett: Total: £425.00 Ebuyer: Total: £403.49 Difference of: £021.51 [EDIT] Error in links, hold on [EDIT 2] Error fixed [EDIT 3] Grammar error.
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-23T16:42:42-00:00

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description: Buying parts from other places in almost all cases these days makes no difference. There are really no proprietary computer systems around anymore. Most parts, if compatible of course, will work with most other parts. There are the occational conflicts, but for the most part it should work.
creator: exnyte
date: 2005-08-23T21:06:27-00:00

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description: I just noticed the RAM I want from Ebuyer work work with my mobo. Time to choose another.
creator: Dave Mason
date: 2005-08-23T21:24:49-00:00

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description: Flower Power!
creator: Ma1kel
date: 2005-08-23T21:28:27-00:00

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creator: Aprime
date: 2005-08-24T18:24:11-00:00

Re: OT: Show us your desk space
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description: I think if it were a MESSIEST desk contest, I'd come in a pretty good place. Most of yours are all prim and nice and vacuumed. What is the deal with that!? http://www.n00bstories.com/image.fetch.php?id=1160454527 http://www.n00bstories.com/image.fetch.php?id=1154334470 Panoramic...
creator: Doitle
date: 2005-08-27T23:09:22-00:00