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Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life?
In the beginning I was ok with the war, now its over and we the U.S.A losing troops by the hundreds every week. I don't make any extra money for joining that army shit. Hell fighting for Bush is like commiting suicide, Why fight in a war were you know the chances of you dying are 1 out of every 20 troops. I'd rather smoke all day then join the army, Do remember the Old Days when leaders and kings help fight in battle, now they sit at home, safe and order you around. Shit with all our soldiers gone,dead, or hurt . Who will Fight in the war against N.Korea, cause it's coming. U.S.A. so weak right now , It's just a matter of time before someone strike our weak ass homeland(usa) again. So Back To The Topic, Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life?
We're not figting for President Bush. We're fighting for the protection of the United States and the freedom of the Middle East and it's people. But most importantly, we're fighting to defend the world.
And what makes you think only America is fit to defend the world?
lol, Defend the world huh? Why fuck up so many lifes to free people who dont want wanna be free. True the middle east should be free but you shouldn't force freedom on them like bush is doing. Freedom for the middle east in my opinion its their WAR not ours. I just hate bush simple and plan. If you like him then I hate you too.
lol, this comming from someone who'd rather "puff puff pass".
DaveGMM And what makes you think only America is fit to defend the world? And what makes you think that he said anything like that?
The war was a great idea played out in a ridiculously horrid fashion. The morals and conviction regarding it were completely IN check and every intelligent soldier in any army associated with it would have known it. They're certainly not fighting FOR President Bush, they're fighting because he told them to do that for the Iraqi people that were being oppressed by Saddam. Now, you need to realize, Bush may be a dimwit, but he has his morals straight. The Iraqi people needed help and he gave it to them in the only way that he could given the circumstances. Oh, and a 1 in 20 chance of being killed? Well, World War two was something a long the line of 1 in 14, so I'm guessing you're a bit off your rocker when you're comparing the United States Army to that a relatively poor militia of scattered cowards and fundamentalists.
It's endlessly amusing to watch someone who has no major college degree, has no pilot's license nor has the ability to fly a fighter jet, and was never a governor of a major state call the President of the United States a dimwit.
I'm sorry, but I tend to call people who very clearly and willingly violate international laws dimwits. It's all right though, I don't blame you for not comprehending this very true allegation. American nationalism does wonders to one's frame of reference.
There's a difference between saying he doesn't adhere to "international law" and insulting his intelligence. You are the one who barks about ad hominem, yet practice it yourself...
It is an unintelligible thing, at least as far as I'm concerned, to break the law with knowledge of doing so, and so clearly feign innocence. I consider Scott Peterson a stupid person as well. Don't you?
bigejoe14 We're not figting for President Bush. We're fighting for the protection of the United States and the freedom of the Middle East and it's people. But most importantly, we're fighting to defend the world. I do hope you don't believe we were defending the world from Iraq... Because they're a greater threat now to the world than they ever were under U.N. sanctions. A civil war is at this point entirely inevitable, the 350 tons of RDx that was lost can destroy something like 10,000 commercial airliners, of which before we invaded, all of it was contained within a UN-regulated depot. ACK It's endlessly amusing to watch someone who has no major college degree, has no pilot's license nor has the ability to fly a fighter jet, and was never a governor of a major state call the President of the United States a dimwit. What, may I ask, does the ability to fly a plane have to do with the ability to insult someone's intelligent quotient. Oh, that's right, it doesn't.
I find it highly indecent for anyone not knowing how to play Sleep Now In The Fire on guitar or how to properly harmonize with a whammy pedal to take the stupidity or lack thereof of someone else's actions into consideration.
Civil war is inevitable if fucks like Newsweek keep screwing everything up. It's damn hard to try to help a country when every liberal world wide is trying his damndest to get us blown up! You don't want to see that 20 more american soldiers died in a suicide TP-ing attack, stop giving them a reason. They get coverage world wide attacking what all the fucking news channels portay as Satanerica. "The Associated Press has received reports tuesday that President Bush actually flayed several Iraqi babies while he was on vacation there making poor people fight to their deaths for the right to be punched in the face." For gods sake why do you think they hate us? I go over to Nodbugger's house while he is out and his mom lets me in so I can run an endurance race in Gran Turismo 4 on B-spec mode on his PS2 since he never uses it and its a 24 hour race and my brothers use my PS2. I go in, set it up, have it run, make sure the driver does the first few laps ok and then I leave. Now SFE who is a neighbor watches me go in and come out. I come over the next day and Nodbugger answers the door and says "You aren't getting your fucking game back! I can't beleive you! You better watch your back." And I go "What the hell?" Now it would seem that SFE saw me go in and out, and being that I was inside his house, he naturally assumed I must have stolen all his stuff, killed his fish, kicked his dog, and said that ROTC was not as cool as he thinks it is. Now I don't have my game and Nodbugger is mad at me. Now a few days later he is calmed down enough to tell me why he is mad, and I tell him none of that happened. And we have word against word, mine against SFE's. I convince Nodbugger with some more time that SFE was just making it up. There's no evidence, all your stuff is still in your room, and so is your money, and your dog is unkicked. He says that's alright and that he's not mad anymore, but he broke my Gran Turismo disc for revenge. Here I am, doing nothing wrong, with a broken Gran Turismo disc, throuh no fault of my own. I go to SFE and say Dude! Look what you did! Get me another Gran Turismo disc! I love this game and it was expensive! and he won't pay for it. All he says is "mistakes were made, of course not by me, but by... uh... society!" So I go home depressed, because all I did was nothing, and I lost my favorite PS2 game. Tell me how that is cool?
OK In the beginning I was with you, but then your second paragraph blew me. What the hell you and nodbug got to do with the topic. lol You should have posted that in the post about those two lil boys in La Homa, Tx . All that trouble and you didn't even kiss his mom.
Quote: I do hope you don't believe we were defending the world from Iraq... Because they're a greater threat now to the world than they ever were under U.N. sanctions. Still refuse to believe that all terrorist activities are coming from outside of Iraq and not inside? I see. I didn't know the Iraqi's enjoyed killing themselves. Quote: A civil war is at this point entirely inevitable, the 350 tons of RDx that was lost can destroy something like 10,000 commercial airliners, of which before we invaded, all of it was contained within a UN-regulated depot. Is it even possible for you to not discuss complications that are nearly a year old? If any of the RDx is used it will be from terrorists coming from the surrounding areas outside of Iraq, not inside. Being "U.N" regulated" never made the RDx any more safer than it was after we secured Iraq. You keep using the same dumbfounded excuses you used well over a year ago. Care to think of something new?
Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your L
kinghigh1 In the beginning I was ok with the war, now its over and we the U.S.A losing troops by the hundreds every week. I don't make any extra money for joining that army shit. Hell fighting for Bush is like commiting suicide, Why fight in a war were you know the chances of you dying are 1 out of every 20 troops. I'd rather smoke all day then join the army, Do remember the Old Days when leaders and kings help fight in battle, now they sit at home, safe and order you around. Shit with all our soldiers gone,dead, or hurt . Who will Fight in the war against N.Korea, cause it's coming. U.S.A. so weak right now , It's just a matter of time before someone strike our weak ass homeland(usa) again. So Back To The Topic, Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life? Fighting for HIM as in his life as a normal man, No. If he was assasianted THEN he is worth figthing for because that involves a attack on the office of President of the United States and the nation itself no matter who the person in office is. Now, we are not fighting for him. We are fighthing to defend America and its freedom and security. We are fighting to kill the people who ordered and carried out / harbor / fought for the MURDER of 3000 inoccent americans on 9/11 and thousands of others around the world. We are fighting to not only protect our freedom, but spread it to others accross the globe and stop the senseless murder of thousands of innocent people in countries such as Iraq were suddam ordered killings left and right, not just killings but out right tourtcher and attacks on his own people for nothing more than religious diffrences. That you idiot, is worth dying for.
warranto Who ordered the 3000 murders? I edited it. You know what i ment, and if you don't then i feel sorry for you and your comprehension skills and basic thinking skills. *If anyone noticed, he didn't argue anything, he simply called a technical foul on me trying to make people look at my gramatical errors and not the content of the paragraph itself.*
Here, I'll spell it out for you. Initial post: "The war in Iraq is bad!" You: " We are fighting to kill the people who ordered and carried out / harbor / fought for the MURDER of 3000 inoccent americans on 9/11" So I say again, Who ordered the 3000 murders?
It's an allegory Kinghigh. I am the US, Nodbugger is the Iraqi people, and SFE is the liberal media. How could you miss that?
warranto Here, I'll spell it out for you. Initial post: "The war in Iraq is bad!" You: " We are fighting to kill the people who ordered and carried out / harbor / fought for the MURDER of 3000 inoccent americans on 9/11" So I say again, Who ordered the 3000 murders? Here i'll spell it out for you. Initial post: The war is bad, its just fighting to get what bush wants, I hate bush, "Is fighting for bush worth dying for" Me: Quote: Fighting for HIM as in his life as a normal man, No. If he was assasianted THEN he is worth figthing for because that involves a attack on the office of President of the United States and the nation itself no matter who the person in office is. Now, we are not fighting for him. We are fighthing to defend America and its freedom and security. We are fighting to kill the people who ordered and carried out / harbor / fought for the MURDER of 3000 inoccent americans on 9/11 and thousands of others around the world. We are fighting to not only protect our freedom, but spread it to others accross the globe and stop the senseless murder of thousands of innocent people in countries such as Iraq were suddam ordered killings left and right, not just killings but out right tourtcher and attacks on his own people for nothing more than religious diffrences. That you idiot, is worth dying for. AKA I answered both of his questions. I stated an answer to his question is it worth fighting for, and i also told him why we are fighting and why the war is NOT bad. Now back to your question , it does not deserve an answer. Its just like you idiots saying "when did saddam threatin us with weapons and war lik omfg" Its basic knowlage and commen sense. The fact that you even have to question clear knowlage and facts like that automaticly throws any opinion you ever state out the window.
lol, nice try. "It doesn't deserve an answer", or would that be better stated "I have no answer to supply"? Saddam did not carry out or order the attack on the World Trade Center. Yet, you seem to want to use this as a reason for fighting in Iraq...
warranto lol, nice try. "It doesn't deserve an answer", or would that be better stated "I have no answer to supply"? Saddam did not carry out or order the attack on the World Trade Center. Yet, you seem to want to use this as a reason for fighting in Iraq... I think this sums your comment up pretty good "ReyDeLaGuerra: he's just a liberal" That would be your an idiot. Ossama Bin Ladan ordered the murder and had those below him plan details and carry it out. I edited it and re-stated what i said. We are after ALL inloved. Those who carried it out, defended those who plotted it those who harbor them and those who support them in they're attack on innocentce. Saddam did not carry it out no. But he does fall into a few catogories. A) Harbor , its clear he harbors terrorist. (No i won't give you proof, no its nto because i don't have an answer i just don't think you deserve my time to look it up and prove something thats right there for all the world to see and something anyone with any sense would confirm.) B) Supporting Terrorist, He offered money for the killing of innocent jews and other innocent people around the world by offering payments to carry out the attacks and then rewards after they have done so. C) He is a terrorist and tyrant. He murdered no telling how many of his own people and commited a crime against humanity when he killed kurds with Chemical Weapons. Its the war on terrorisim, not the war on Ossama. You liberals tend to forget that,
cowmisfit A) Harbor , its clear he harbors terrorist. (No i won't give you proof, no its nto because i don't have an answer i just don't think you deserve my time to look it up and prove something thats right there for all the world to see and something anyone with any sense would confirm.) They used the same kind of logic to say that the world was flat.
No, we want to see Osama dead, who carried out attacks on the US. We went into Saddam for WMDs, but did we get them? I think not. Afganistan was a cover for going into Iraq, the reasons we went to Iraq were not humanitarian based, the US likes it money.
How the fuck do you get money from a war? If I'm not mistaken, wars COST money. If we were greedy, we'd just export to other nations, refuse to import, and keep ourselves locked into an Isolationistic way of life. Obviously, this isn't the case. Sure, there's always something to gain. We're expanding the free world. Giving more people the ability to have the freedoms that we have. How would you like to disagree with your government, and then be put to death because even one of your own family members snitched on you? I'm sure you would just love that. :rolleyes: Where else would we go to get Osama? Oh yes, let's hunt down Osama in China! He's obviously not in Afghanistan where we originally thought. :rolleyes:
Like you say Cow, its common sense right. So anybody with sense know BUSH JR and BUSH SR were out for that oil in iraq. War is a cover up, money is the root to all evil you know?
j_ball430 How the fuck do you get money from a war? If I'm not mistaken, wars COST money. If we were greedy, we'd just export to other nations, refuse to import, and keep ourselves locked into an Isolationistic way of life. Obviously, this isn't the case. Sure, there's always something to gain. We're expanding the free world. Giving more people the ability to have the freedoms that we have. How would you like to disagree with your government, and then be put to death because even one of your own family members snitched on you? I'm sure you would just love that. :rolleyes: Where else would we go to get Osama? Oh yes, let's hunt down Osama in China! He's obviously not in Afghanistan where we originally thought. :rolleyes: He's in Canadian Parlament! HELP US!
You fucking liberals can't afford to think for yourselves, can you? All you have to do is think that it could be for oil, have someone tell you that it is, and you won't budge on that belief even when COMMON SENSE tells you otherwise. That's okay, though because mainstream media supports your ideas. http://www.conservility.com/article?id=17
cowmisfit warranto lol, nice try. "It doesn't deserve an answer", or would that be better stated "I have no answer to supply"? Saddam did not carry out or order the attack on the World Trade Center. Yet, you seem to want to use this as a reason for fighting in Iraq... I think this sums your comment up pretty good "ReyDeLaGuerra: he's just a liberal" That would be your an idiot. Ossama Bin Ladan ordered the murder and had those below him plan details and carry it out. I edited it and re-stated what i said. We are after ALL inloved. Those who carried it out, defended those who plotted it those who harbor them and those who support them in they're attack on innocentce. Its the war on terrorisim, not the war on Ossama. You liberals tend to forget that, Correct, Osama did. So I fail to see why you stated that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 when, even by your own admission, they didn't? The topic had been started to deal with the war in Iraq, so the only reason to bring in 9/11 as a defence for it would be that you think Saddam had something to do with 9/11. Interesting how you seem to lable me a "liberal" as some sort of insult. Perhaps you should learn hat liberal means first. Of course, if you want to throw words-as-insults around, you seem to be the one whose mind is broad enough to encompass open ideas of what constitutes participation, with ideals of reform and progress on the terrorist front for the betterment of all. I'd say if anyone qualifies to be called "liberal", it would be you.
warranto So I fail to see why you stated that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 when, even by your own admission, they didn't? When did i say they had NOTHING to do with 9/11?
cowmisfit warranto So I fail to see why you stated that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 when, even by your own admission, they didn't? When did i say they had NOTHING to do with 9/11? Quote: Ossama Bin Ladan ordered the murder and had those below him plan details and carry it out.
warranto cowmisfit warranto So I fail to see why you stated that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 when, even by your own admission, they didn't? When did i say they had NOTHING to do with 9/11? Quote: Ossama Bin Ladan ordered the murder and had those below him plan details and carry it out. Im failing to see were in that sentence i said Iraq has nothing to do with it.
Doitle Civil war is inevitable if fucks like Newsweek keep screwing everything up. It's damn hard to try to help a country when every liberal world wide is trying his damndest to get us blown up! You don't want to see that 20 more american soldiers died in a suicide TP-ing attack, stop giving them a reason. They get coverage world wide attacking what all the fucking news channels portay as Satanerica. "The Associated Press has received reports tuesday that President Bush actually flayed several Iraqi babies while he was on vacation there making poor people fight to their deaths for the right to be punched in the face." For gods sake why do you think they hate us? Please. That Newsweek story has been circulating for a year and a half in the Middle East. Their running of that story in no way caused a riot. bigjoe Still refuse to believe that all terrorist activities are coming from outside of Iraq and not inside? I see. I didn't know the Iraqi's enjoyed killing themselves. The concept of rival clans vying for internal power seems entirely foreign to you. Have you never taken a high school history course? bigjoe Is it even possible for you to not discuss complications that are nearly a year old? If any of the RDx is used it will be from terrorists coming from the surrounding areas outside of Iraq, not inside. Being "U.N" regulated" never made the RDx any more safer than it was after we secured Iraq. Well, actually it was safer, because all the RDx was under IAEA seal and frequently inspected. After the U.N. left Iraq preceding the U.S. invasion, al Qaqaa was not guarded. And the U.S. never came back and guarded it. The entire facility has since been stripped to the ground, and everything inside taken. Now there's so much RDx around Iraq that anyone can make a roadside bomb of devastating force. RDx is give or take the most powerful conventional explosive known to man. And Bush took no steps AT ALL to protect it. bigjoe You keep using the same dumbfounded excuses you used well over a year ago. Care to think of something new? RDx won't go away if we give it time. cowmisfit That you idiot, is worth dying for. I take it you'll be enlisting in the army as soon as you're legally able to? Doitle It's an allegory Kinghigh. I am the US, Nodbugger is the Iraqi people, and SFE is the liberal media. How could you miss that? Actually, it was a bit spastic, if you didn't notice. Cowmisfit - Saddam is not Osama cowmisfit A) Harbor , its clear he harbors terrorist. (No i won't give you proof, no its nto because i don't have an answer i just don't think you deserve my time to look it up and prove something thats right there for all the world to see and something anyone with any sense would confirm.) Can't run with the big kids if you don't have any proof. [applies for B&C, too, although I won't directly contest the gassing of the Kurds.] [Because that's what UN sanctions are for] cowmisfit Its the war on terrorisim, not the war on Ossama. If it were the "War on terrorism", you could use that justification to attack any Asian country. Why Iraq? jball How the fuck do you get money from a war? By cutting taxes. Duuuuuuuuuuuuh.
kinghigh1 I just hate bush simple and plan. If you like him then I hate you too. And there's where you lost me..
SuperFlyingEngi jball How the fuck do you get money from a war? By cutting taxes. Duuuuuuuuuuuuh. Are you really truly this stupid? Cutting taxes has nothing to do with gaining a financial profit from a war.
You didn't really miss my sarcasm, did you? And if unless I'm mistaken, he [you] was referring to running a profit during a war.
cowmisfit warranto cowmisfit warranto So I fail to see why you stated that Iraq had something to do with 9/11 when, even by your own admission, they didn't? When did i say they had NOTHING to do with 9/11? Quote: Ossama Bin Ladan ordered the murder and had those below him plan details and carry it out. Im failing to see were in that sentence i said Iraq has nothing to do with it. Let me get this straight, saying that it was ALL Osama, means something other than all? Lets check this math... All of something leaves nothing, therefore if Osama (who ordered it) and group did ALL the planning and ALL the act of carrying it out, that leaves nothing left for Sadam to participate in.
Just to comment on the idea of war time costs. The country goes into deficit, however the businesses of war thrive. One factor why the depression didn't last much beyond the 30s.
Quote: Like you say Cow, its common sense right. So anybody with sense know BUSH JR and BUSH SR were out for that oil in iraq. War is a cover up, money is the root to all evil you know? r u braen ded Kinghigh? U have not a intelligence that Kerry wuz only ruhning so he kuld yuse an x-ecutiv ordar to blo up teh Huntz Katsup Factori? U muzt be rally dum! Seriously though, Cow, J-ball, everybody, focus on what Warranto and SFE are saying. Kinghigh is being kinda trolly and at least Warranto and SFE are putting some thought into this one. And back to Green Flag Racing(Arguing)!
SFE If it were the "War on terrorism", you could use that justification to attack any Asian country. Why Iraq? Because these people had more direct contact with those who committed the act. What was it again? $25,000 if you kill yourself for Allah? Fact is: Iraq embraced terrorists in its own country instead of at least making it look as if they were taking some sort of action to prevent them. You keep making us remind you of why we went to Iraq when its painfully aparent: 1.) Find Weapons of Mass Destruction - STILL PENDING - There is alot of Desert out there. Also In the time it took the United States to mobilize they could have been moved to Syria. 2.)They Supported Terrorists - If you don't see the facts between the former Iraqi government and their terrorist ties, then you are too stubborn to see the truth as of now. 3.) Liberate the Iraqi people - Some say they don't want to be liberated. Man, they must really like being murdered, raped, and thrown into mass graves then.
Dodo or Doitle Im not stupid or dumb. Hey Doitle I got a question for you. WTF Kerry got to do with me or the topic? :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I believe you were looking for this sort of evidence.
Just to refute one point of that website, Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed
Quote: The concept of rival clans vying for internal power seems entirely foreign to you. Have you never taken a high school history course? If any "rival clans" try to fight for the control of Iraq, they will come from the surrounding countries around Iraq. That's not really Civil War. Everything has been pretty damn nice within Iraq and it's citizens. The terrorist from the outside are the ones mucking it up for everyone else. Quote: Now there's so much RDx around Iraq that anyone can make a roadside bomb of devastating force. How would you know it's in Iraq? It could be inside Iran, Cuba, or Russia for all you know. Quote: And Bush took no steps AT ALL to protect it. Sorta like how Clinton sold U.S. Military intelligence to China to get campaign funds? Quote: RDx won't go away if we give it time. Another excuse. If you're so worried about some crappy explosives, care to tell how you would like to take care of it? Quote: Please. That Newsweek story has been circulating for a year and a half in the Middle East. Their running of that story in no way caused a riot. Bullshit, You know that story caused all that violence. You're just trying to defend your liberal spin machine. Who cares if it's been running for a year? It still caused all kinds of problems. Newsweek published that story with no conformation whatsoever. A stupid move that cost innocent lives. I cannot believe you're trying to defend that peice of crap.
warranto Just to refute one point of that website, Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed So, you can only refute one point? And neglect that the war is on TERROR, not Al-Qaeda?
You forgot that terrorism is defined as this: ter·ror·ism P Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm) n. Al Qaeda. No other sources of terrorism exist in the modern world.
Quote: Hey Doitle I got a question for you. WTF Kerry got to do with me or the topic? He has a lot to do with the topic. If Bush weren't in office Kerry would be. How can you keep saying, "HAY AYE EM NOT DUM!", when you don't get anything. You don't understand the sarcasm, you don't understand comparisons, and you don't understand symbolism. Your not leaving me much to work with besides going "Nuh uh!".
gbull SFE If it were the "War on terrorism", you could use that justification to attack any Asian country. Why Iraq? Because these people had more direct contact with those who committed the act. What was it again? $25,000 if you kill yourself for Allah? Fact is: Iraq embraced terrorists in its own country instead of at least making it look as if they were taking some sort of action to prevent them. You keep making us remind you of why we went to Iraq when its painfully aparent: 1.) Find Weapons of Mass Destruction - STILL PENDING - There is alot of Desert out there. Also In the time it took the United States to mobilize they could have been moved to Syria. 2.)They Supported Terrorists - If you don't see the facts between the former Iraqi government and their terrorist ties, then you are too stubborn to see the truth as of now. 3.) Liberate the Iraqi people - Some say they don't want to be liberated. Man, they must really like being murdered, raped, and thrown into mass graves then. 1) Find Osama - STILL PENDING -Find the man that killed many innocent Americans using the amazingly few soldiers in Iraq! :rolleyes:
Terrorists must be stopped, I agree. But I think that attacking to Iraq had something else reasons than what they told to us. I think that USA wants Iraq great oil resources. There is about 70% of all world oil recources in the Iraq territory.
emperorz0 I think that USA wants Iraq great oil resources. There is about 70% of all world oil recources in the Iraq territory. How many fucking times do we have to tell you? THE WAR IS NOT FOR OIL. If the war was for oil, my fucking gas prices wouldn't be so damn high, now would they? We don't need Iraq's oil. Shit, the prices of our gas was LOWER before the war.
glyde51 1) Find Osama - STILL PENDING -Find the man that killed many innocent Americans using the amazingly few soldiers in Iraq! gbull What was it again? $25,000 if you kill yourself for Allah? gbull You keep making us remind you of why we went to Iraq when its painfully aparent: gbull 2.)They Supported Terrorists - If you don't see the facts between the former Iraqi government and their terrorist ties, then you are too stubborn to see the truth as of now. Finding Osama has little to do with Iraq, Finding terrorists does. And its a war on Terror, not on Osama Bin Laden. Think inside the box much? or do you think of Terrorism as: AircraftKiller You forgot that terrorism is defined as this: ter·ror·ism P Pronunciation Key (tr-rzm) n. Al Qaeda. No other sources of terrorism exist in the modern world. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------- emperorz0 I think that USA wants Iraq great oil resources. There is about 70% of all world oil recources in the Iraq territory. Do us all a favor and throw your keyboard out the window.
emperorz0 I think that USA wants Iraq great oil resources. There is about 70% of all world oil recources in the Iraq territory. *ahem*
gbull Also In the time it took the United States to mobilize they could have been moved to Syria. So, you're saying that U.S. intelligence is too lax to notice truckloads of WMD's en route to Syria from Iraq?
Absolutely, because as we all know, WMDs are always moved out in the open where anybody can spot them. :rolleyes: The U.S. Intelligence may be the best in the world, but that doesn't mean that they can't be one step behind. This is one reason why we haven't gotten Osama yet.
j_ball430 The U.S. Intelligence may be the best in the world. Oh are we going to start telling jokes now? Ok Knock Knock...
Crimson warranto Just to refute one point of that website, Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed So, you can only refute one point? And neglect that the war is on TERROR, not Al-Qaeda? uhhh... what? Since when did I suggest otherwise? All my posts in this thread have been about the initial topic about the war in Iraq, and tha tIraq had nothing to do with 9/11. How did that turn into me arguing that the war is not on terror?
Ryan3k So, you're saying that U.S. intelligence is too lax to notice truckloads of WMD's en route to Syria from Iraq? Are you incinuating that you could have come up with a plan to have survellience over every inch of the Iraqi border before we even got there?
warranto Crimson warranto Just to refute one point of that website, Al Qaeda-Hussein Link Is Dismissed So, you can only refute one point? And neglect that the war is on TERROR, not Al-Qaeda? uhhh... what? Since when did I suggest otherwise? All my posts in this thread have been about the initial topic about the war in Iraq, and tha tIraq had nothing to do with 9/11. How did that turn into me arguing that the war is not on terror? The War in Iraq IS the War on Terror, thus making this relevant.
j_ball430 emperorz0 I think that USA wants Iraq great oil resources. There is about 70% of all world oil recources in the Iraq territory. How many fucking times do we have to tell you? THE WAR IS NOT FOR OIL. If the war was for oil, my fucking gas prices wouldn't be so damn high, now would they? We don't need Iraq's oil. Shit, the prices of our gas was LOWER before the war. I told that to a liberal psycho when I was at a Protest Warrior counter-protest and her screaming response was "OUR SOLDIERS ARE DYING AND ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS GAS PRICES!!!!!1111" -- LOL
Crimson The War in Iraq IS the War on Terror, thus making this relevant. However, that still does not mean that Iraq had anything to do with the attack on the world trade center.
gbull Are you incinuating that you could have come up with a plan to have survellience over every inch of the Iraqi border before we even got there? Before we even got there? What do you mean by that? When, exactly, did we "get there?" Is it when the first bombs were dropped? Seriously, if you could give me an accurate estimate of when U.S. military activity of any sort began in Iraq (in other words, "[when we]...got there"), then you must have inside information. If, that is, by "there," you are referring to Iraq, as a whole. Obviously, I assumed so. Anyway, I was unaware, but I suppose pre-war reconnaissance was but a thing of my imagination. Honestly now, I think you are underestimating U.S. intelligence. If Saddam decided to start a WMD convoy of ANY sort, trust me, people wouldn't be arguing today about whether or not the war was justified, if you catch my drift. Besides, come on! Keeping an eye on the Iraqi border? It's not like we're trying to do something outrageous like trying to spell out, say, the IBM logo, with Xenon atoms, right...? OH WAIT.
gbull Because these people had more direct contact with those who committed the act. What was it again? $25,000 if you kill yourself for Allah? Fact is: Iraq embraced terrorists in its own country instead of at least making it look as if they were taking some sort of action to prevent them. You keep making us remind you of why we went to Iraq when its painfully aparent: 1.) Find Weapons of Mass Destruction - STILL PENDING - There is alot of Desert out there. Also In the time it took the United States to mobilize they could have been moved to Syria. http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/01/12/wmd.search/ That one actually hasn't been pending for a while. gbull 2.)They Supported Terrorists - If you don't see the facts between the former Iraqi government and their terrorist ties, then you are too stubborn to see the truth as of now. How about you let me see your evidence? gbull 3.) Liberate the Iraqi people - Some say they don't want to be liberated. Man, they must really like being murdered, raped, and thrown into mass graves then. Considering the incredible number of innocent civilians killed by U.S. bombs and ground forces in Iraq, it seems as if they were better off with Saddam. All in the name of Freedom, though. bigjoe14 If any "rival clans" try to fight for the control of Iraq, they will come from the surrounding countries around Iraq. That's not really Civil War. Everything has been pretty damn nice within Iraq and it's citizens. The terrorist from the outside are the ones mucking it up for everyone else. Why would they come from outside the country again? All the Iraqi militants you see in the streets know someone who was killed by U.S. weapons. That's why there mad. Not for some dumbass obtuse reason like "they hate our freedoms". bigjoe14 How would you know it's in Iraq? It could be inside Iran, Cuba, or Russia for all you know. Because Iraqi militant groups probably won't be exporting 350 tons of the highest grade explosive they can possible get their hands on anytime soon. bigjoe14 Sorta like how Clinton sold U.S. Military intelligence to China to get campaign funds? Or rather, didn't return a campaign check from a mildly shady source. bigjoe14 Another excuse. If you're so worried about some crappy explosives, care to tell how you would like to take care of it? The only answer to this problem is not let 350 tons of RDx out into a country going through a civil war like Iraq. And if it does get out, don't let those who made the mistake have a chance to make it again. That's usually how things like this work. bigjoe14 Bullshit, You know that story caused all that violence. You're just trying to defend your liberal spin machine. Who cares if it's been running for a year? It still caused all kinds of problems. Newsweek published that story with no conformation whatsoever. A stupid move that cost innocent lives. I cannot believe you're trying to defend that peice of crap. No... This story has been everywhere EXCEPT U.S. presses for over a year now. You just know nothing, so I can understand you not knowing that. By the way, turns out Newsweek was wrong about the source, but right about the story. By the way, if you saw what Arabs read in the Middle East, this Newsweek story is the least of their concerns. At one point, al Jazeera seriously reported a story during the first Gulf War about how Allah had sent giant spider warriors out of the desert to drive away the infidel U.S. forces. A bunch of people fell for that one. The Bush administration is just after censorship here. jball The U.S. Intelligence may be the best in the world, but that doesn't mean that they can't be one step behind. This is one reason why we haven't gotten Osama yet. That and we undercut our military offensive in Afghanistan when we diverted much of our armed service's might to a phony war in Iraq. Crimson The War in Iraq IS the War on Terror, thus making this relevant. Yes, that is what mainstream media calls it. Kudos to you. Crimson I told that to a liberal psycho when I was at a Protest Warrior counter-protest and her screaming response was "OUR SOLDIERS ARE DYING AND ALL YOU CARE ABOUT IS GAS PRICES!!!!!1111" -- LOL There are whackos on both sides. Quite frankly, I'd be happier if people like glyde and emperorz weren't in this forum, since they undermine my argument. EDIT[S]: Grammatical Errors
warranto Crimson The War in Iraq IS the War on Terror, thus making this relevant. However, that still does not mean that Iraq had anything to do with the attack on the world trade center. That wasn't my point... based on the information available to me, Iraq, as a country, had nothing to do with the attack. Whether Iraq helped harbor those who helped plan or carry out the attack, whether Iraq's government (Saddam) aided and abetted terrorist attacks worldwide, THAT'S the real debate, and THAT'S what I posted a link about. It's the same logic that says that executing Ted Bundy will stop serial killings. You can't just cut off one higher-up, even all of them. You have to make fundamental changes in the area to stop terrorism from breeding.
Crimson warranto Crimson The War in Iraq IS the War on Terror, thus making this relevant. However, that still does not mean that Iraq had anything to do with the attack on the world trade center. That wasn't my point... based on the information available to me, Iraq, as a country, had nothing to do with the attack. Whether Iraq helped harbor those who helped plan or carry out the attack, whether Iraq's government (Saddam) aided and abetted terrorist attacks worldwide, THAT'S the real debate, and THAT'S what I posted a link about. It's the same logic that says that executing Ted Bundy will stop serial killings. You can't just cut off one higher-up, even all of them. You have to make fundamental changes in the area to stop terrorism from breeding. Heh, I see the miscommunication then. I'm speaking specifically about the War in Iraq, and your speaking about the broader war on terrorism. I'm not trying to refute any of that, all I did was point out that Iraq (the government) was not involved with 9/11, All the rest of it is true as far as I'm concerned. Harboring, conspiring, funding, etc. I don't doubt that any of that happened. If I was mistaken about the purpose of the original topic, as kinghigh1 simply spoke about the losses in the war being 1 in 20 so I assumed that was restricted to what is still happening in Iraq, then I appologise.
SuperFlyingEngi Quite frankly, I'd be happier if people like glyde and emperorz weren't in this forum, since they undermine my argument. This is just too good.... You undermine your own arguments, you dumbass!! All we need to do is give you enough rope; you hang yourself each time! Here! Have some more rope! I'm sure you could turn that unsubstantiated article into a good Bush bashathon! Go ahead, Tool! Have some fun before you break your own neck!
warranto Heh, I see the miscommunication then. I'm speaking specifically about the War in Iraq, and your speaking about the broader war on terrorism. I'm not trying to refute any of that, all I did was point out that Iraq (the government) was not involved with 9/11, All the rest of it is true as far as I'm concerned. Harboring, conspiring, funding, etc. I don't doubt that any of that happened. If I was mistaken about the purpose of the original topic, as kinghigh1 simply spoke about the losses in the war being 1 in 20 so I assumed that was restricted to what is still happening in Iraq, then I appologise. How we can we assume anything from the incoherent original post to this thread?
Hydra All we need to do is give you enough rope; you hang yourself each time! Here! Have some more rope! I'm sure you could turn that unsubstantiated article into a good Bush bashathon! Go ahead, Tool! Have some fun before you break your own neck! That was actually a big deal, but since you're quite frankly boring me, I've had enough of your slanders for a while. Good day. EDIT: Errors with quotation system
Warranto right, I was talking(topic) about the war in Iraq(which I think will never end).Sorry it wasn't detailed enuff, the thread went off topic I think. I miss the good ole' quiet days ,when the 1st Black President was in office. Who? Mr Bill Clinton
SuperFlyingEngi gbull 2.)They Supported Terrorists - If you don't see the facts between the former Iraqi government and their terrorist ties, then you are too stubborn to see the truth as of now. How about you let me see your evidence? .1) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/2846365.stm BBC news Saddam's payments $10,000 per family $25,000 for family of a suicide bomber $35m paid since September 2000 PALF figures SuperFlyingEngi Considering the incredible number of innocent civilians killed by U.S. bombs and ground forces in Iraq, it seems as if they were better off with Saddam. All in the name of Freedom, though. http://www.cpa-iraq.org/pressreleases/20040224_mass_graves.html The Coalition Provisional Authority "We've already discovered just so far the remains of 400,000 people in mass graves," Also, http://www.blackfive.net/main/2005/05/new_mass_graves.html says 182,000 kurds are still unaccounted for The first number of people found in mass graves(400,000) was a count in January 2004, since then we've found more. So, are they still worse off with us then saddam?
j_ball430 Quite the comic aren't you? :rolleyes: Yeah you like it?
SFE, take a step back and realize that not everything about the war is bad. The war was born out of illegality. And that's pretty much it. If want to get philosophical about it, there is no such thing as a war that isn't a crime no matter how justified anyone claims it to be. The important thing now is to look at the country of Iraq and compare the situations of then with the situations of now. You're only 2 years into the campaign, and compared to say... WWII, you're going pretty slow, but the country is systematically being liberated (NOT annexxed for oil) and will likely spark off a healthty distant future for Iraq. And as for those who scream oil or not oil-- consider what will happen when Iraq becomes a stable nation. It is HIGHLY probable that crude oil contracts will be formed with just about all 1st world nations. Take a wild guess how a great deal of the war is going to be paid for. But that does not mean the war is for oil. It would be utterly dependant on the state of the Iraqi people at that time. If people are pumping oil for the west while Iraq might, say, in the future have a stalemate battle with Iran on the border, then the argument might be made. But as it stands, the oil is a commedity that is of interest when the country is stable.
Re: Do You Think Fighting For President Bush Is Worth Your Life?
Wouldn't fight and give my life for bush... Let's just show some quotes: Quote: "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do we." "If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure." "We're going to have the best educated American people in the world." "For NASA, space is still a high priority." "It isn't pollution that's harming the environment. It's the impurities in our air and water that are doing it." "It's time for the human race to enter the solar system." "The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country." "Too many good docs are getting out of the business. Too many OB/GYN's aren't able to practice their love with women all across the country." "One word sums up probably the responsibility of any Governor, and that one word is 'to be prepared.'" "I have made good judgments in the past. I have made good judgments in the future." "The future will be better tomorrow." "I stand by all the misstatements that I've made." "We have a firm commitment to NATO, we are a part of NATO. We have a firm commitment to Europe. We are a part of Europe." "Public speaking is very easy." "A low voter turnout is an indication of fewer people going to the polls." "We are ready for any unforeseen event that may or may not occur." - "Quite frankly, teachers are the only profession that teach our children." "I just want you to know that, when we talk about war, we're really talking about peace." "There is a baby boomer generation getting ready to retire. I'm pretty aware of that. I am one. " " We need to apply 21st century information technology to the health care field. We need to have our medical records put on the IT. " " My six years as governor of Texas have been invaluable to me as I carry out my duties as the presidency. " " This notion that the United States is getting ready to attack Iran is simply ridiculous. And having said that, all options are on the table." Now the best of: Quote: I've been to war. I've raised twins. If I had a choice, I'd rather go to war. I am mindful not only of preserving executive powers for myself, but for predecessors as well. You teach a child to read and he or her will be able to pass a literacy test. No, I know all the war rhetoric, but it's all aimed at achieving peace. My mom often used to say, "The trouble with W" -- although she didn't put that to words. In 1994, there were 67 schools in Texas that were rated "exemplorary" according to our own tests. I know what I believe. I will continue to articulate what I believe and what I believe -- I believe what I believe is right. Africa is a nation that suffers from incredible disease. I understand small business growth. I was one. Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream. At this Thursday, ticket counters and airplanes will fly outta Ronald Reagan Airport. Laura and I will thank them from the bottom of my heart. When you have your own money, it means you've got more money to spend. The benefits of helping somebody is beneficial. We're in for a long struggle, and I think Texans understand that. And so do Americans. Sometimes when I sleep at night I think of "Hop on Pop". I promise you I will listen to what has been said here, even though I wasn't here. And one of the things we've got to make sure that we do is anything. We're making the right decisions to bring the solution to an end. Border relations between Canada and Mexico have never been better. No chances I ever give my life for him.
I don't understand how the Nasa quote is suspect at all. It's the National AERONAUTICS and Space Association. They have been doing a lot of research into ramjets and solar aircraft. They have not done as much in regards to space lately. For the FDA, Food is still a priority. It's identical to that. What do you hear the FDA always talking about now a days? Drugs. ED cures and Blood Pressure medicine and weight loss medicine. They still care about the food aspect, they aren't going to let it go to shit. Neither will Nasa forget where space is.
You know that we could dig out some pretty rediculous quotes (at least Im sure ACK could) on you as well Renardin. Don't judge the man by the way he talks, judge him by the way he acts.
Retardin6: "im not going to post here at renegadeforums anymore because your all STUPID" *next day* "reborn weapon update: some crap nobody likes" Retardin6: "CRIMSON FUCK YOU FOR SUPPORTING THE ACK PERSON YOU LET IT GO ON IN FORUM FUCK YOU CRIMSON FUCK YOU" Retardin6: "I think angel of dawn did a good job"
gbull wrote on Sun, 05 June 2005 18:49 You know that we could dig out some pretty rediculous quotes (at least Im sure ACK could) on you as well Renardin. Don't judge the man by the way he talks, judge him by the way he acts. See an acts then... Simple use of binocular. Reading a book.
by "acts" I meant his character....
It's not what he says. It's not what he does. Now it's the character... okay... I like Bush now. What a 'character'. He is the man. (And talking about what I posted here is irrelevant to the topic here. We are talking about giving life for Bush. So don't divert the subject. Changing subject is common use of some here when they don't have any logical or intelligent answer.)
The first picture was most likely a photo-opportunity where someone handed him the binoculars and said "hold these up", then the pic was snapped before he could do anything about the lens caps. The second picture is a proven and obviously photoshop job.
The first picture doesn't really matter. I'm sure all of us have picked up a camera, binoculars, any lensed object, and have forgotten to first take off the cover. Heck, I know I've done it once. It has nothing to do with intelligence, it's simply something that people tend to forget about from time to time.
Yeah, if you look at the image with the book, you can see that who ever photoshopped it forgot to flip the back cover vertically, when you rotate the book Bush is holding you'll see it doesn't match the book the girl is holding.
I did the test in Paintshop Pro, tell me that isn't a photoshop lol...
Ooopsie! Looks like another misinformed idiot saw a picture on the INTARWEB, and automatically believed in it with ALL his fragile little n00b heart, without, bothering to, survey says: CHECK THE FACTS. I swear, if I have to pull factual evidence onto one more thread, i'm going to shit all over you people after eating Taco Bell, i'm fucking sick of it. It should already be here. Look, Renardin. Look at your own idiocy. Look at yourself, farting off again like some goddamn... well, Reborn. Check the goddamn facts. http://www.snopes.com/photos/bushbook.asp http://www.snopes.com/photos/binoculars.asp Oh no! You got owned. Facts. Motherfucks.
Aurora wrote on Thu, 09 June 2005 01:25 Check the goddamn facts. http://www.snopes.com/photos/binoculars.asp Oh no! You got owned. Facts. Motherfucks. Yeah it proves my point there. He started to look with it without removing...
so? Dude we have all looked through binoculars at one point in our life and realized the caps were still on. I doubt he just stood there, looking at black. The photographer just happened to have "good" timing.
I know... how stupid. I've turned on my video camera with the lens cap on, or put a camera up to my eye with the lens cap on... big deal. You know someone is pathetic when they think anyone who's smart enough to win the US presidency is too stupid to take the lens caps off of binoculars. Smart enough to put matching clothes on in the morning, too stupid to notice that everything through the binoculars is black? You're beyond retarded if you honestly think that. (I could make a joke about black and DC, but I won't )
Quote: Yeah it proves my point there. He started to look with it without removing... No, it actually doesn't, at all. The only thing it would prove is that the photographer is quick, nothing more.
OMG A PICTURE OF BUSH IN A LIMO! THE DOOR IS OPEN BUT HES NOT GETTING OUT. HE IS TOO STUPID TO KNOW WHAT OUTSIDE IS OMG OGMOGMGOMGOMOGMGOMGOMGOMGOGMOGMOGMGOMGOMGOGMGOMGOGMOGMOMGOMG OGMOGMGOMGOMGOMGOGMOGMGOMGOGMGMGOMGOMGOMGOGMGOMGOMGOMGOMGOGM OGMOGMGOOMGOMGOGMOGMOGMOGMGOMOMGOGMGOMGOGMOGMPOMGOGMGOMOMGOM
LMAO, Nice to know that some people still think Bush is good person,,NOTTTTTT!!!! Fuck Bush, I got 1 uncle dead, and 1 was injured, and another who's ready to come home.So stop being Bush Ball Jockers, shit he sent troops over there to die.Iraq's people don't want to be freed shit they were fine before the war.Saddem killed his people so fuckin what,It ain't do different then Bush sending us over there. In my eyes thats killing your own!! It's easy for ya'll to say bush is protecting freedom until ya'll get a phone call stating some one in your family died in iraq. I bet you won;t think bush a protector then.I wish somebody would kill Bush, I would fell alot better.
Im sorry for your loss. I know someone over there as well(in a matter of speaking). But, whether you believe it or not, your uncle died for you, your family and your country, not Bush, and if you see it that way you might feel better about it.
Yes im sane, Guess U.S.A. got 51 states now, cause our people in Iraq ain't ever coming home to stay. Hell, I like saddam more and more each day.Who's to say he a bad person, I 'd vote for him over bush, in which bush would fix the votes like always. Thx gbull ,but growing up in the tuff parts of texas,you'd learn we got more problems here in the usa,Bush's war on terroriasm was a hoax. saddam didn't do shit to the usa, but yet the usa capture him and do him wrong, shit osama bin ladin got off scot free. i'd rather troops die looking for him,then to see them die for so called freedom.At this point our troops look like the one's who need freedom.
gbull wrote on Thu, 09 June 2005 21:48 Im sorry for your loss. I know someone over there as well(in a matter of speaking). But, whether you believe it or not, your uncle died for you, your family and your country, not Bush, and if you see it that way you might feel better about it. Do you really believe that kind of bullshits? Irak had no money because of US Blocus. They were only able to exchange oil for food. The didn't have massive destruction weapons. Only fucking scuds... They are miles away from US. So let me explain something: Your uncle died to help USA gaining control of OIL reserves of Irak and also because Bush wanted to finish the dad's work... The truth? Your were safe in USA. And if USA didn't go to Irak, you will still be as safe as before. If american people want security then they should protect airport first. Going to the desert of africa won't change anything. Terrorists are all over the world.
Renardin6 wrote on Fri, 10 June 2005 07:17 gbull wrote on Thu, 09 June 2005 21:48 Im sorry for your loss. I know someone over there as well(in a matter of speaking). But, whether you believe it or not, your uncle died for you, your family and your country, not Bush, and if you see it that way you might feel better about it. Do you really believe that kind of bullshits? Irak had no money because of US Blocus. They were only able to exchange oil for food. The didn't have massive destruction weapons. Only fucking scuds... They are miles away from US. So let me explain something: Your uncle died to help USA gaining control of OIL reserves of Irak and also because Bush wanted to finish the dad's work... The truth? Your were safe in USA. And if USA didn't go to Irak, you will still be as safe as before. If american people want security then they should protect airport first. Going to the desert of africa won't change anything. Terrorists are all over the world. If we were really just in there to get the oil then our gas prices wouldn't be at all-time highs at the moment. Don't even try to justify the Oil for Food scandal. The fact of the matter is, we took the war to them instead of having to fight it on our land.
I am not a big fan of Bush, but FFS, THE WAR IS NOT FOR OIL. I hate you fucking twits who continue to spread this complete and utter bullshit. The war is being fought for a very good reason (whether or not the war is legal is another issue). Sorry for your loss, but as gbull said, it was for you, your family, and your country. He didn't die in vain. I cannot believe you said that you don't care that Saddam is killing his own people. Are you mentally stable? Oh yes, mass genocide is something that shouldn't be looked down upon! That comment alone lets me know that you have absolutely no grasp on reality.