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Everyone has the right to criticize me about my own personal opinion, but that would show you don't beleive in opinions and don't care what otheres have to say. This is not supposed to come accross negative in any way. I don't care if Crimson or Blazer or any moderator bans me for this but oh well. Renguard, my game runs better without it. I personally think it is just a cheesy way of adding new fancy commands to use and nothing else. It stops cheaters! they say. But it don't seem like it. The only thing I see is the people wiuth Renguard banning people without it because they are whiners. Example: I don't have Renguard. I do not cheat. I join a server. My first kill is a headshot with Deadeye as soon as I start. The person I killed goes, !rg deadfive. I kill him again with a headshot, he goes !forcerg deadfive. Then everyone starts !forcerg deadfive. End example. This happens on every server I play on to almost everyone I know without Renguard. What I say is, WHINERs. People think just that someone does good in a game non-stop and dont have renguard are cheaters. They can't take the fact that some people are just better than them. Now that renguard is around there are more bans and kicks from servers than ever. I know, I have played this since it came out on the very first day. Renguard has caused nothig but problems for me and numerous people. My game runs better without, and people are just whiners, but remember, this is just my opinion. Go ahead and flame, criticize, ban me, I don't care this is just my opinion. And this is not supposed to come accross negative in any way.
I don't care if people forcerg you for not running it, in these times RenGuard seems to be the only way to prove your innocence. It's your own fault for not running it. Don't expect people to take your word for it when it's allot easier and less time-consuming for them to just use a command to check whether you could be cheating or not. Besides, it's the server owners decission what kind of bot he decides to run on his server and if he trusts the RenGuard system. It seems a lot of servers and it's communities do trust RenGuard, I wonder why :rolleyes: If you wan't to play on a server without players that can !forcerg you, make your own and play there. Or you could always just run RenGuard and play on theirs.
Upgrade your PC. Run Renguard. Stop Crying like a little girl. Post in the correct forum. Die. Don't like the above? Don't play Renegade.
Lol, you crack me up. System specs since a month ago: Intel pentium 4 2.8GHz at 800FSB 2GB Dual channel ram 128 MB ATI Radeon 9200SE 500GB RAID Hard drive Comcast internet at 4MB those are just the important items...
I thought Brenbot was with the commands and renguard was just the anti-cheat. But seriously... Would you like to show some kind of proof that it *really* performs better without renguard? and even if it might, playing without MSN running in the backround or other programs is just reason enough to make your game go just as slow. If you played renegade 1.5 years ago, when Renguard wasn't out, then you wouldn't say "but it doesnt' seem to stop them". If you had a choice of whether or not renguard stayed it would be the same choice as would you go back 1.5 years to where it was hard to find a server WITHOUT a cheat, rather now it is hard to find a server WITH a cheat. The only person really whining is you. If you really don't like renguard no one really made you download it. If you are forceRged then play with Renguard. If your computer isn't capable of running Renegade then you should get a new computer or play tetris. My bets are you probably don't compete with what i once had, and what others have had. where i couldn't play past 18 player servers because i'd have an FPS lower than 10 on average. "Everyone has the right to criticize me about my own personal opinion, but that would show you don't beleive in opinions and don't care what otheres have to say." On the contrary, opinions are meant to be challenged
lol, my game fps runs at 100. And like I said this is just an opinion. I felt like saying it. I am not crying.
You are precisely crying. To sum up your entire post, all I have to say is, "waah... waah wah wah.. wah wah wah.....and wah" If you get an average of 100 FPS and you're complaining about being force rg'ed because you aren't running renguard (which I can only assume wouldn't be even close to bring down the fps to 10, which I had) Then you are a big cry baby whose only purpose is to cry. The only point you make in your "argument", and i use the term loosely of course - because I couldn't even call anything you say supportive to what you said, is that when a person forceRGs people follow. When I see this in game, i usually think, "what's the deal with them not running renguard when it does nothing to harm" Here are your choices, baby. Your first choice is to suck it up like a big kid now and either 1.) Get Renguard and deal with 90+ FPS (Oh no!), or you can NOT get renguard, and have the average 100 FPS you get and you can live your life in happiness, free from people who wish to play a game without cheaters in their server, thus making both sides happy. I would recommend the second choice.
This is not an arguement. Never was never will be. I am not going to start, an arguement either. I am not crying. I am "stating" a topic that has been on my mind. It is an "opinion", nothing else. I am supporting all the other people who don't like Renguard, and I also support BHS for doing a good deed that so many poeple like. BHS deserves alot of credit for this as they are kicking EA's ass. No arguement, no crying. Just that you are a person who can't accept an opinion and just leave it at that. Obviously, if anyone said that they don't like Renguard, you would be all over their case about it. You may like Renguard, that all right with me, but I am not not like and bash your opinions. Case closed.
let me put it in a way that might be more recognizable for you, OK? It seems your level of thinking is a little shallow. back in the "olden days" people used to think the Sun revolved around the Earth. Now this was just an opinion at the time as the only real basis they had of this was the fact that the Sun looked like it was revolving around Earth. It wasn't until later that they found out it was actually the Earth taht revolved around the sun. But if no one challenged that the Sun revolved around the Earth then where would we be? An opinion is not meant to be just "stated" It has to be questioned and if you want to state an opinion you had better well back up why you think that way. In your post you say "it runs slower" when, EVEN if it does, it does it at a fractional cost. Therefore that "argument" (and when i say argument i mean supportive information) has been proven WRONG. You say it doesn't stop cheats when if you look at 1.5 years when RG wasn't here and now, you see an obvious difference of amount of cheaters (another "argument" proven false) Beyond that renguard is not at fault for people forcerging you if someone else did it first. In my opinion you should be thankful for the very fact that they HAVE half-renguarded servers, otherwise would you rather a full renguard, so that you can't join (because you'd eat up your entire computer's memory if you used renguard at all!) So what I have just done now is shown that your opinion is WRONG (so if you choose to be an ignorant moron and continue your opinion despite me showing you that it's wrong) Then by all means you may do so. So you can be a primitive and keep thinking the sun revolves around the Earth.
I have to personally agree with deadfive. Rengaurd is pretty annoying and there are lots of dumb people who just ban some people for no reason. But that's why for the most part i stopped going to servers and just host my own or go to freinds. That way there is a simple and easy way to get rid of cheaters.... Kick
He's stating a fact of online gaming in Renegade. Without RenGuard on, or even WITH it on, you get banned if you play too well. You should never be forced to use a third party program to justify banning others. If you're going to ban them, do it for legitimate reasons. Being killed is not one of them unless you can prove that they're cheating beyond reasonable doubt. RenGuard protects against cheats, but since the last time I played (and I seriously doubt it's changed at all) most servers are in half-mode so it doesn't matter. Someone can still come in, cheat up a storm and get banned. It does not stop people from cheating when used in this mode, it just becomes a burden to other players and gives a few individuals the ability to remove anyone for cheating because they got killed. RenGuard would have done a lot more for this game had it come out when it was supposed to, and not eight months later.
I thought you had... deadfive Dell Dimension 3000 Intel Pentium 4 Processor (2.80GHz, 1MB L2 Cache, 533MHz FSB) 256MB Shared* DDR SDRAM 40GB Hard Drive 98MB Integrated Intel Extreme Graphics 2 48x CD-RW Integrated Audio 256k DSL (Qwest msn, wireless) Getting rid of wireless and going wired. Where'd you get all the extra money for that new hardware? >
Performance drop? Wtf? Doesn't RenGuard use less memory/bandwidth than MSN Messenger or AIM?
It doesn't, SEAL. Something is definetly up with your computer, deadfive.
Renguard has nothing to do with how moderators justify cheaters. In my eyes a moderator would have to be sure a person is cheating before he is banning them (tests, etc) It is also not Renguard's fault in any way that server admins choose half-mode. Yes people get banned when not using renguard and not cheating. and though it may not be moral to make a person use renguard, it is, again, the admin's CHOICE. You'd be better off ranting to server admins to take Renguard completely off or put it completely on. and when the cheaters join en masse, you can guess what they'll choose
Did you even play this game with RG installed? Being a RG user has everything to do with whether or not you're banned for cheating. Otherwise why put it into half-mode on a server so that you could tell who was using it, and who was not?
Aircraftkiller Did you even play this game with RG installed? Being a RG user has everything to do with whether or not you're banned for cheating. Otherwise why put it into half-mode on a server so that you could tell who was using it, and who was not? When i say "renguard" i meant everyone who made it. They have nothing to do with if you're getting forcerg'ed wrongly.
deadfive Lol, you crack me up. System specs since a month ago: Intel pentium 4 2.8GHz at 800FSB 2GB Dual channel ram 128 MB ATI Radeon 9200SE 500GB RAID Hard drive Comcast internet at 4MB those are just the important items... You have a terribly shitty graphics card.
deadfive 128 MB ATI Radeon 9200SE
Running RG, I average an FPS of about 60, and I still own in sniping and you know what? When people !rg me and find out I'm running RG, they leave it at that. The only people who continue to rant are n00bs who have no idea what they're talking about and should be ignored. I fail to see how RG can cause such a change in your gameplay that you can't run it at all.
Where did I get the money for the upgrades for my pc? Well I worked my ass off. I did yard jobs for tons of people and my uncle paid me 200 to fix his pc. His pc motherboard had problems directly on the circuit board. Not sure if I stated that correct but anyway, I had to spend about 4 hours saudering all the broken spots back together. I don't know what he did to his pc but the circuit board was totally jacked. He gave me 200 because he is very generous. Now, back on topic please.
Its not renguards fault, it is usually an excuse the n00bs use when they get killed. I don't have a fast comp, I run the game on low detail and I still use Rengaurd. When I '!forcerg' people I make sure that they are in fact cheating (eg. always being shot in the head numerous times while ducking behind or being blocked by an object and KNOWING where he is). Mostly if you are accused of cheating and they check that you have renguard, it usally stops there. I realise it can be frusterating when you are kicked just for being good, but there are gonna be people who won't believe you aren't cheating until you have rengaurd, it sucks. Reneguard has brought more good then bad, you would be better off using it.
Quick help with BrenBot please. #--Start Configuration-IRC----------------------------------------------------------------- # Edit the information below for your setup. # At least edit BotName and IrcChannel. BotName = dark1462 BotFullName = darksbot IrcServer = irc.MPclan.net IrcPort = 6668 IrcChannel = #darks #---Q/NickServ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- # Enable auth via "Q" or "Nickserv" below. Sample input is shown. Qauth = 0 Qusername = dark1462 Qpassword = **** # Note for Nickserv auth you give the name of nickserv and the full ident string as example Nickservauth = 1 Nickservname = #darks Nickservauth = identify RenBot01 mypassword #--Windows or Linux----------------------------------------------------------------------- # BotMode MUST be "WIN32" for windows servers, or "LFDS" for Linux servers. BotMode = WIN32 #--Remote Admin Settings------------------------------------------------------------------ # The next 3 lines should be the same info that is in your server.ini # Note: Although it says "Linux" its the same for Win32 RenRemLinuxHost = 127.0.0.1 RenRemLinuxPort = 12345 RenRemLinuxPassword = yourpass #--FDS Installation----------------------------------------------------------------------- # Verify these paths are correct with your Renegade installation. # Note: FDSLogFilePath must end with the trailing slash (as example below)!! # Note: Linux users use forward slashes (/) in your paths. FDSConfigFile = C:\Program Files\Games\Westwood\RenegadeFDS\Server\Data\svrcfg_cnc.ini FDSLogFilePath = C:\Program Files\Games\Westwood\RenegadeFDS\Server\ #--Miscellaneous Settings----------------------------------------------------------------- # Every x minutes the bot will announce a random line from AutoAnnounceFile. AutoAnnounceInterval = 600 # LadderLookup currently not working. Do not turn it on or it will hang the bot. EnableLadderLookup = 0 # Set this to 0 or anything but 1 to disable voting. VotingEnabled = 1 # How long people get to place votes. Default here is 60 seconds. VotingPeriod = 60 # Set vehicle kick to 1 for Sniper servers VehicleKick = 0 #--BR Configuration Files---------------------------------------------------------------- # BR Config Files - You shouldn't have to change these names. You can still open them with notepad. AutoAnnounceFile = autoannounce.brf Messagesfile = messages.brf AdminsFile = admins.brf MastersFile = masters.brf KickLogFile = kicklog.brf BanLogfile = banlog.brf # Generate_Gamespy_Queries = 1 # Generate independant gamespy queries, instead of quering the orginal GSA UDP Query # handler. In WOL Mode, you don't have one. # GameSpyQueryPort = 23500 # The query handler listens on this port # Broadcast_Server_To_Gamespy = 1 # Broadcast the query handler to gamespy. # If you enable this, YOU NEED TO SET "GameSpyQueryPort=<value>" in server.ini to 0!!!! # BRENBOT WILL BEHAVE BADLY IF YOU DO NOT DO THIS! # Gamelog / Donate Settings # Donate is tied to gamelog, because bhs.dll causes to crash the fds, when a player # tries to donate to a player, which has not loaded the game yet. with gamelog, brenbot # can find out, if a player has loaded the map. you can disable it here. # BEWARE! PEOPLE WILL BE ABLE TO CRASH YOUR SERVER! # Seperate_Donate_From_Gamelog = 1 # Delete gamelog files instead of archiving it. Normally, brenbot archives it. # Delete_Gamelog_Files = 1 #--End Configuration----------------------------------------------------------------------- What is wrong in the configuration that is not working?
I use RenGuard for Clan Matches and that is it. Half RG servers in my opinion are a waste. People can still cheat on them and as it has been pointed out; !forcerg is used on everyone who is good, as opposed to everyone who cheats. My clan server does not use RG and that is how we like it. As long as the moderators can tell the difference between cheating and skill you don't need RG. If you do catch someone cheating, ban them, who cares about making them use RG.
I can only recomend a german full RG server called "Renegade Community Server#1". Can be found via ASE. It also features a very good teamplay.
a0000000j, on USA Server full RenGuard!
The biggest problem I see with Full RG is when either the RG servers or that @#$# SSC goes spastic and kicks all the players in the server that actually have RG. After one of these episodes the server remains empty for hours. I would probably run run a full RG server if this didn't happen.
I still fail to see how RG can affect your gameplay so drastically.
odd :S the SSC has always been fine for me?
Homey I still fail to see how RG can affect your gameplay so drastically. People with slow comps probly do, but people with slow comps still now also use Norton and that kind of stuff wich realy brings down a comp. The 1.3 Version of RG hardly brings down my fps. (Not noticable for sure) And when the sfps = good myn fps is good too. if the sfps is between 10 and 20. My pc will go down to that kind of fps too
Yeah its that stupid "Worm Protection" in Norton...also slows down the eMule so bad!
Oh I believe it lags the computer i'm on right now, I get hottible fps anyways so I don't get accused. But this is a 1.8 (not bad for ren really) but 256mb ram with norton and all kinds of other shit that isn't mine running - it lags. He has 2gb ram and 2.8ghz so it doesnt make sense.
JPNOD people with slow comps still now also use Norton and that kind of stuff wich realy brings down a comp. I beg to differ. I've used "slow" computers for quite a while, and have only recently obtained a computer of any decent speed. During that time, I knew my computer inside and out and was able to optimize it for the best speeds possible. It's not so much the computer that's slow as it is the user that's using it. Anyone can use slow and unoptimized programs (in fact, many people do). Homey Oh I believe it lags the computer i'm on right now, I get hottible fps anyways so I don't get accused. But this is a 1.8 (not bad for ren really) but 256mb ram with norton and all kinds of other shit that isn't mine running - it lags. He has 2gb ram and 2.8ghz so it doesnt make sense. Is it 256MB RAM or 2 GB RAM? In either case, are you sure you've got the latest drivers? You'd be amazed how much they could boost your framerate.
To be honest, RG or no RG running, I see no difference in ping or performance!
deadfive Lol, you crack me up. System specs since a month ago: Intel pentium 4 2.8GHz at 800FSB 2GB Dual channel ram 128 MB ATI Radeon 9200SE 500GB RAID Hard drive Comcast internet at 4MB those are just the important items... You can play with 128mbram, pentium 3 800 and 20GB disc with a geforce 2 mx... And Renguard won't be a problem... It depends of your upload and download rate. It's not about your computer speed. My computer: PC Specifications : CPU: AMD ATHLON XP 3200+ Motherboard: ASUS A7N8X Deluxe Monitor: 19 inch Proview Monitor Video Card: Geforce 6800 GT 256 mb DDR3 Sound / Speakers: Nvidia N-force 2 SOUNDSTORM Mouse / Pad: MS Optical Mouse Memory: 1024mb DDR HDD: 7200rpm/120GB I had problem with renguard before, and then I fixed my settings for my wireless router, now everything is fine. So I would say : Check your internet settings, modem/router settings and then all will be fine. If you have an upload that is at least 10kb and a download that is at least 20kb... No problem for renguard but again, you have to check your connection settings. That's all. (And I don't believe your pc specs... It's unrealistic to have a such computer that cost so much and having a fucking 9200 SE on it... Plz make a screenshot with the command : dxdiag.exe , thank you)
Start > Run > DxDiag > Save All Information Copy & Paste.
The thng with the connection is so true, maybe he got a P2P running besides.. .Or he should get himself aTuner or Riva and set the DirectX prerender frames to 0...
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Any FPS above 30 is sufficient, since human eyes cant notice the difference much from frame rates above 24fps. So since you get 100fps on average, whats the big deal? If you ran RG and someone tries to use !forcerg on you, then it just goes to show that you're good, and other people will know you're good when they see you're getting all those headshots and you're running RenGuard.
Even with my Ti 4600 Renegade works like a charm...
Kanezor JPNOD people with slow comps still now also use Norton and that kind of stuff wich realy brings down a comp. I beg to differ. I've used "slow" computers for quite a while, and have only recently obtained a computer of any decent speed. During that time, I knew my computer inside and out and was able to optimize it for the best speeds possible. It's not so much the computer that's slow as it is the user that's using it. Anyone can use slow and unoptimized programs (in fact, many people do). Homey Oh I believe it lags the computer i'm on right now, I get hottible fps anyways so I don't get accused. But this is a 1.8 (not bad for ren really) but 256mb ram with norton and all kinds of other shit that isn't mine running - it lags. He has 2gb ram and 2.8ghz so it doesnt make sense. Is it 256MB RAM or 2 GB RAM? In either case, are you sure you've got the latest drivers? You'd be amazed how much they could boost your framerate. It's 256mb, doesn't matter though - going back to Canada Saturday.
Dan Any FPS above 30 is sufficient, since human eyes cant notice the difference much from frame rates above 24fps. So since you get 100fps on average, whats the big deal? If you ran RG and someone tries to use !forcerg on you, then it just goes to show that you're good, and other people will know you're good when they see you're getting all those headshots and you're running RenGuard. I notice it up until around 40ish, not 24.
I have 384MB of SDRAM, and a 1.5 GHZ CPU. my ping and FPS are the same when im not using it. (and im on 56k)
ren is such a simple game compared to newer stuff.. i know alot of people who have dirt computers and all they CAN play good is renegade.. even with rengaurd.. they do ok.. i never got any bad play whille using RG.. and it is the only thing to stop the haters from thinking you cheat..
Dan Any FPS above 30 is sufficient, since human eyes cant notice the difference much from frame rates above 24fps. So since you get 100fps on average, whats the big deal? If you ran RG and someone tries to use !forcerg on you, then it just goes to show that you're good, and other people will know you're good when they see you're getting all those headshots and you're running RenGuard. I believe that is the root point he is trying to address. As Aircraftkiller stated previously, no person should have to use third party software for any purpose out of their own free will. I choose not to use RenGuard; I should not be considered lower than others because of this choice. With this state of mind in full bloom, RenGuard Users could easily create a state of mind that labels them as being the Perfect Race. If you want some kind of confirmation that my ability to kill you is purely based on my ability to play the game and not external/internal aides, then you honestly should not be playing with the public. Paranoia and fear only lead to destruction. I know there are other options out there; the problem is nobody is willing to take a look at them, let alone not be immediately against them. It's a sad state, but it just goes to show you how far this game has truly spiraled to the bottom of the barrel. Or perhaps it is just simply the average age group/level of maturity that make up the majority player base for this game.
Quote: ------------------ System Information ------------------ Time of this report: 5/11/2005, 11:11:44 Operating System: Windows 98 (4.10, Build 2222) A Language: English (Regional Setting: English) System Manufacturer: n/a System Model: n/a BIOS: n/a Processor: AMD Athlon(tm) Processor, MMX, 3DNow, ~850MHz Memory: 384MB RAM Page File: 173MB used, 1491MB available DirectX Version: DirectX 9.0c (4.09.0000.0904) IBM Aptiva, since it doesn't say. Without Renguard, 20 FPS guessed average With Renguard, 18 FPS guessed average (Yes, that is such a huge drop in performance) No lag difference.
It's probably the age group, 90% of people on this forum are younger than 18 and have the mental capacity of a 12 year old if even that.
The point he is making is that you are now more or less forced to install a 3rd party program to play on a server released by community members. I don't see how this is fair.. for instance, as he has said already, if you choose not to install RenGuard, or do not know about it, and you are generally a good player at (example) Sniping, people become pissy, !rgblahblah blah you then !forcerg blahblah you, if your not running this program then boom, your gone. The fact is that most servers use RenGuard now so theres nothing you can do about it. I havern't agreed with RenGuard from the start and before it was released but thats just using my own knowledge and knowing what people can put into these types of programs without you knowing (for example, you let it access the internet as you think it's meerly contacting a server to say you logged on, but as you have gained it the right to access the internet, it could, for all you know, be a keylogger). The problem now is what to do about it. It's quite simple really.. either play without RenGuard or move onto another game. Lets face it, another few months and this game will be dead except the odd 10 players playing at a time. Thats my opinion.. if you don't like it then deal with it.
It is not as if using RenGuard stops people from banning you if you do too well. As long as there are online games, there will be newbie moderators.
Rengaurd doesnt really stop cheating (I tested it) i could get big head and repair gun flame working. All renguard does is cover up the cheaters and give them an exuse to say they are not cheating. Oh and just so you know i dont use them
mrpirate It is not as if using RenGuard stops people from banning you if you do too well. As long as there are online games, there will be newbie moderators. Thats not entirely the point.. if people don't want to install a 3rd party program they shouldn't have to.
deadfive Now, back on topic. deadfive Quick help with brenbot please. You're what we call a hypocrite, retard.
Jeep Rubi Rengaurd doesnt really stop cheating (I tested it) i could get big head and repair gun flame working. All renguard does is cover up the cheaters and give them an exuse to say they are not cheating. I get the weird feeling you're full of shit.
That isn't hypocritical you idiot... Learn the word's meaning before you ramble on about what hypocrites are. hy·poc·ri·sy P Pronunciation Key (h-pkr-s) n. pl. hy·poc·ri·sies The practice of professing beliefs, feelings, or virtues that one does not hold or possess; falseness. An act or instance of such falseness. He never said he believed anything. All he did was contradict his previous stance on going off subject.
Sorry, hypocrite wasn't the right word. In other words, deadfive, don't tell others to get back on topic when you don't do it yourself.
Sniper_De7 So what I have just done now is shown that your opinion is WRONG (so if you choose to be an ignorant moron and continue your opinion despite me showing you that it's wrong) Opinions can't be wrong. The evidence might be, but opinions are never wrong.
Spoony Jeep Rubi Rengaurd doesnt really stop cheating (I tested it) i could get big head and repair gun flame working. All renguard does is cover up the cheaters and give them an exuse to say they are not cheating. I get the weird feeling you're full of shit. Perhaps in him doing it, or doing what he said, but the concept of altering the game or using an aide while RenGuard is running is more than just feasible but also very possible. Those who have the knowledge don't have the intent. Those who have the intent don't have the knowledge. RenGuard may stop the idiots but it doesn't stop the true hardcore cheaters. Luckily those types of cheaters are next to non-existant in Renegade. Face it: the game just isn't worth bothering to most. All you really need to concern yourselves with is stopping people who know how to use officially released tools and software to alter a file or make a new model and place it in their data folder. Granted those are cheats, but not the cracks I am discussing - the ones RenGuard fails to stop entirely.
Quote: Lets face it, another few months and this game will be dead except the odd 10 players playing at a time. People a year ago were saying the same thing, and we are still here. How can renguard not be blocking cheats? I see less cheaters than before the release..... And any cheaters I do see aren't using rengaurd, coincidence? No.
You're right. Opinions aren't wrong. what i really meant by it was that if you want to prove that his is right to believe he had better put more facts on the table. all you whiners who complain to RG can you quit the game now? Because without RG i severely doubt there would be any population left to play. This is what it boils down to, OK? Renguard is a program to prevent cheaters from joining. It drastically reduced the number of cheaters to servers. At the price of this, you have to download a program that uses less memory than MSN and the likes that you most likely keep on all the time. If you aren't a cheater then the least you could do is download renguard so people who are inexperienced at this game, don't call you a cheater. Face it. Back when you first started you probably could barely do anything right. I'm pretty sure there had been times when YOU thought someone cheated when they didn't. So why not excuse people who are in the same position? Why not just let it be, download renguard, so that there is some intention to show that you do not cheat. What I'm trying to get to is. Why on Earth would you go here to complain about Renguard if people are forcerging you? Indirectly you can blame Renguard for being made, and then making half-renguard servers available, and giving the ability to make it so people can forcerg people. OR, directly, you can blame the people who are forcerging you wrongfully. Now i can see why people might be mad if something was incompatible with renguard on your computer. That it took you awhile to fix it. I do not see a drop of 3 FPS really much of an argument because I'm going to gamble that probably over 90% of the people who play don't close their programs before playing so that they get the best out of their performance. and Xtrm.. yeah I guess it could be for all you know, but for it to be legal, it would have to be stated in the install. Else that it would be illegal would it not? At least that's what i would think
No one is forcing you to use RG. If you dont like it, dont use it.
That wasn't what we were talking about at all you idiot...
Do you get pleasure in insulting people?
Whining? I asked a simple question and you seemed to take it the wrong way.
Insulting? I asked a simple question and you took it the wrong way.
lol. this can go on all night, forget I said anything.
Your playing into his game, calm it
ACK: people shouldn't be forced to use a third party program to play on a server. Agreed. But people shouldn't be forced to play in a server with a cheater eather. U make it sound as if RG is one big mean machine but u forget that if there were no cheaters, RG wouldn't even exist. How can u blame me as server responisble for putting RG on my server? I can't be there 24/7 to moderate. This dude who states his opinion has no point at all... If he doesn't like RG, then it's no problem at all! Just go play on a non-renguard protected server. Noone will forceRG him then. See the problem with all you people who don't like RG is that u fail to see that people like me and my clan are paying 100ths of €'s to have a server on Renegade. You know what this means? It means that we put a lot of effort AND money in it so you can just come play and have fun on it. All that for nothing. Only thing I ask and other server owners oiften ask too is that you get this little program called RG to play on it. No wait, not even that: you don't even need to get it cause it's half RG! But if u don't get it, people who don't trust u can force u to get it. Though luck but at least u can come back. If people votekick u, u stay banned for 24 hours. Ain't forceRG a better option then? I personally prefer full RG servers over half RG servers but the half RG is just to give people like you a chance to come play. If u get forced, then though luck: get the program. Only thing I ask is to get an update on RG asap. I have the feeling it is needed. That's all.
blinky_182 Quote: Lets face it, another few months and this game will be dead except the odd 10 players playing at a time. People a year ago were saying the same thing, and we are still here. I'm not people, I'm me. I'm saying it will die in the next few months. Sniper_De7 and Xtrm.. yeah I guess it could be for all you know, but for it to be legal, it would have to be stated in the install. Else that it would be illegal would it not? At least that's what i would think Spyware isn't illegal, but its capable of telling the makers stuff you do on your computer.. pretty much like RenGuard does if I remember rightly.
I don't know why you are thinking in that negative way..., this seems to be your problem...,don't put your bad feelings on Renegade! Have a look on games like Starcraft, it is still alive, too...
noodles I don't know why you are thinking in that negative way..., this seems to be your problem...,don't put your bad feelings on Renegade! I'm thinking in the negative way because the things I say are 99% times true. noodles Have a look on games like Starcraft, it is still alive, too... Theres a difference.. Starcraft is good. I respect everyone who likes Renegade.. everyone has their own likes.. alls I'm doing is meerly stating my opinion and making you aware of things you may not know about, especially when it comes to things you wouldn't even know is happening whilst you run programs and give them full access to access the internet.
Don't try to look into the feature and tell us that it's the truth... NEGATIVE you are..... The things you say are 99% true? So I guess, you haven't seen things in your life...
noodles Don't try to look into the feature and tell us that it's the truth... NEGATIVE you are..... The things you say are 99% true? So I guess, you haven't seen things in your life... I'd give a half decent reply if I could understand what you just wrote.. "You havern't seen the things in your life" <-- Whats that meant to mean?
It means that you might have a lack of life-experience, and how you you are looking on life at all...
I'll translate it from Moronese for you. Quote: Don't try to look into the feature and tell us that it's the truth... "Reborn sucks" Quote: NEGATIVE you are..... "I'm trying to impersonate a character from the shit poor Star Wars series." Quote: The things you say are 99% true? So I guess, you haven't seen things in your life... "You've never left your room, so your opinions are wrong."
Well at least a start... I agree with your 3rd theory...., "pitoresque" spoken...
Can someone tell me how they manage to get an FPS of 100 in multiplayer? I got: P4 2.8 640Mb RDram 128DDR ATI Radeon 9600pro The most I get is 85, and that is only when a server hasn't many players in it.
How do you overclock your graphics card? I cant find an option anywhere. I got the ATI Radeon 9200SE
You need to download a program to overclock hardware I believe, I don't know where though. There is risk to overclocking, as going too high you can fry your card.
And there's really no point in overclocking a Radeon 9200SE since it's so shitty.
First off, let me re-iterate what some people were trying to say. If someone owns a server, they are GOD on that server. They make all the rules. They say who can play on it and who can't. These are inalienable rights. You can bitch, whine, moan, and complain all you want, but the server is theirs to run HOWEVER they see fit. If they say you must run RG to play on it, then guess what? You have to run RenGuard to play on it. If they say you must put "I suck" at the end of your nickname to play, then guess what? You have to do it! The person(s) who owns the server makes the rules. There is no doubt in my mind that RG has been a huge part of keeping Renegade from dying more quickly. I do not agree with running half-RG mode, I don't think it's very effective in providing a cheat-free game, but in most cases full RG will empty out your server. And the ones to blame for that are the ones who refuse to run it. It's all about the path of least resistance with the age/maturity level of the bulk of the community. Anyone who says they can spot cheaters without help is 100% lying or fooling themselves. The capabilities out there are endless and immense and there is NO possible way to catch them all without outside assistance. Is RenGuard perfect? Hell no. There are loopholes out there for the hardcore, experienced cheaters. We just don't seem to have any of them here. RenGuard wouldn't exist without the support of the community. We have been very proud to provide you this service for the last year and we will keep it up and running as long as it's needed. We still see over 10 thousand unique gamers per month using RenGuard, so we're not going anywhere, no matter what some people's opinions might be.
Crimson First off, let me re-iterate what some people were trying to say. If someone owns a server, they are GOD on that server. They make all the rules. They say who can play on it and who can't. These are inalienable rights. You can bitch, whine, moan, and complain all you want, but the server is theirs to run HOWEVER they see fit. If they say you must run RG to play on it, then guess what? You have to run RenGuard to play on it. If they say you must put "I suck" at the end of your nickname to play, then guess what? You have to do it! The person(s) who owns the server makes the rules. There is no doubt in my mind that RG has been a huge part of keeping Renegade from dying more quickly. I do not agree with running half-RG mode, I don't think it's very effective in providing a cheat-free game, but in most cases full RG will empty out your server. And the ones to blame for that are the ones who refuse to run it. It's all about the path of least resistance with the age/maturity level of the bulk of the community. Anyone who says they can spot cheaters without help is 100% lying or fooling themselves. The capabilities out there are endless and immense and there is NO possible way to catch them all without outside assistance. Is RenGuard perfect? Hell no. There are loopholes out there for the hardcore, experienced cheaters. We just don't seem to have any of them here. RenGuard wouldn't exist without the support of the community. We have been very proud to provide you this service for the last year and we will keep it up and running as long as it's needed. We still see over 10 thousand unique gamers per month using RenGuard, so we're not going anywhere, no matter what some people's opinions might be. AMEN to that, crimson!
Crimson Anyone who says they can spot cheaters without help is 100% lying or fooling themselves. Or me.
But what about the small percentage of folk who cannot use the program because it crashes without even running, or not being able to install it at all. What about the side effects (lag, FPS issues). FPS is really important to people with slower computers. I know it takes as much as 2 or 3 FPS off of the standard rate for some people. You might say "but I never get lag or slower FPS", well, every computer is different. And quite to the contrary, most renegamers aren't cheating at all and letting them play till they're found or suspected to be cheating is a brilliant way of keeping the highest amount of people in a server. With renguard, the only real problem in renegade these days is the utter repetition of every game, and the players who refuse to do things differently. It's a pity no program can be made to keep those players out of servers; if you did, though, you'd probably get rid of most of the people playing renegade period.
sterps Can someone tell me how they manage to get an FPS of 100 in multiplayer? I got: P4 2.8 640Mb RDram 128DDR ATI Radeon 9600pro The most I get is 85, and that is only when a server hasn't many players in it. Your FPS can only go as high as your monitor refresh rate. To gain 100FPS, you need to have your refresh rate set to 100Hz which little monitors support.
Xtrm2Matt Your FPS can only go as high as your monitor refresh rate. To gain 100FPS, you need to have your refresh rate set to 100Hz which little monitors support. I must be special then because I can set my monitor refresh rate to 160 hz
mines 75Hz and I get well over 100
I've had a few problems w/ Renguard but overall it's a very effective deterrent for the lame cheaters. Benefits > small hassles. Thanks Crimson! Sorry for contributing to the topic digression but upper right corner...
Spoony Crimson Anyone who says they can spot cheaters without help is 100% lying or fooling themselves. Or me.
Aircraftkiller It's probably the age group, 90% of people on this forum are younger than 18 and have the mental capacity of a 12 year old if even that. Thats a tad mean, aint it? I mean, sure, most people are dumbasses, but do you have to be so blunt about it? ...I dont really care, just wonderin. Also, very neat Signature. I have a very slight problem with Renguard, but it has nothing to do with the whole 1 maybe 2 points of FPS it drains. When i run Blazer's Sound Rotation Mod, and Renguard, Renguard has an error allocating memory, and shuts off. Now, normally, because im one of the worst Renegade players out there, i dont get hit with !forcerg, but, i do occasionally get a few good shots in on people, and i think i was hit with !forcerg the three times it takes, back before i had Renguard on the Unrules New Maps server, which is the main one i play. Im sure the only remedy is to not run Blazer's Sound Rotation Mod, but if anyone has any info that might help even slightly, please do tell. And, to that guy that said that DeadFive had a horrible Video Card... Guess what? Ive got a much worse one, and it runs Renegade very well, despite the fact that the visuals are turned to about low-mid. Ive also run it on an ATI Radeon 7000 before, which is barely good enough to run Warcraft III, much less a First/Third Person Shooter, with graphics like Renegade's. Also, im going to repeat this question, since i posted it, and it was apperantly looked over: Do i have to notify Blazer or Crimson if i want to upload a custom Avatar Picture? Because it said so in the Rules/Welcome thread...
deadfive How do you overclock your graphics card? I cant find an option anywhere. I got the ATI Radeon 9200SE Download the Omega drivers. However, if you fuck your graphics card up, it is your fault.
Damn , people live for this game. Long as they keep make mods ,and updating this shit .Renegade will be around for years to come. Why do some of you say your pc so fast and its so great but argue over this old ass game. There are other games ,some just like renegade. Some even better ,but this is my opinion. I only play this game cause I bought the command and conquer collection and I wanted to see what online play was like for all the games in the collection. Shit EA drop this game,so will westwood once they realize their gonna have to make a new game, a game on a disc not a download. ACK your a old ass wise guy, you dont even play this game you lame. Yeah I said it.
Westwood will drop it after EA? Heh, interesting. FYI, Westwood has been dead for a while now.
Crimson Spoony Crimson Anyone who says they can spot cheaters without help is 100% lying or fooling themselves. Or me. Shall we talk about the cheater in the Pits game which Renguard didn't seem to notice? :rolleyes:
Spoony Crimson Spoony Crimson Anyone who says they can spot cheaters without help is 100% lying or fooling themselves. Or me. Shall we talk about the cheater in the Pits game which Renguard didn't seem to notice? :rolleyes: I wasn't there, but I would like to make one small correction, if I may.. The alleged cheater. Thanks