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http://www.alligator.org/pt2/050323freedom.php Quote: Similar suits could be filed by students who don’t believe astronauts landed on the moon, who believe teaching birth control is a sin or even by Shands medical students who refuse to perform blood transfusions and believe prayer is the only way to heal the body, Gelber added. Fucking joke. I suppose this means that students who don't believe the holocaust took place could sue professors too, right? EDIT: This only applies to the state of Florida, not the whole country. Just to avoid confusion.
The only thing that has any logic is if Professors are teaching thoerys as facts... Such as the thoery of Evolution... But the rest of that makes no sense whatsoever.
SuperFlyingEngi Because neocons want a fascist regime. Explain to me what a fascist regime is?? What about the nazi one you support with your "lets put the disabled in death camps and starve them to death , because everything bad is a republican consperiecy against me omg" crap.
To those people who still do not believe in evolution: Get with the program. I find it funny that in this day and age, people cling on to what the bible says and interpret it so literally that any possibility of evolution is considered rubbish.
IRON FART To those people who still do not believe in evolution: Get with the program. I find it funny that in this day and age, people cling on to what the bible says and interpret it so literally that any possibility of evolution is considered rubbish. hahah, the people across the street from me won't let their kids watch "The Wild Thorn Barries" because they don't belive in the Darwin Theory and the show has a monkey named Darwin.
IRON FART To those people who still do not believe in evolution: Get with the program. I'll believe what I want, and you believe what you want. In the end we will see who's right and who's wrong.
@Cow's post LOL Quote: I'll believe what I want, and you believe what you want. In the end we will see who's right and who's wrong. Well maybe not. Darwin proposed the theory in the 1800's. Who knows how long it will take to be accepted. It probably won't happen in our lifetime.
bigejoe14 IRON FART To those people who still do not believe in evolution: Get with the program. I'll believe what I want, and you believe what you want. In the end we will see who's right and who's wrong. No im sorry the correct answer was morman, yes morman. *add me too.... again * Theres a difference in beliving something that is up in the air and has no evidence. Its a completly differnt thing when you set a piece of paper in front of someone saying the time of day is 3:30 and they insist its 59:50
Sorry bigjoe, I was saying LOL to Cow's post. After I posted it showed me my post and your's was sandwiched inbetween mine and Cow's. I fixed it now.
Fixed mine too.
Please understand that while most of Florida is made up of hicks with spitoons who live near the swamps, some of us living in the cities are a little bit more educated and can make better decisions. Just a disclaimer.
U927 Please understand that while most of Florida is made up of hicks with spitoons who live near the swamps, some of us living in the cities are a little bit more educated and can make better decisions. Just a disclaimer. More educated and make better decisions. Ah like the educated judges who are starving a woman to death. Ahh be amazed at florida.
*cheap shot* And lets not forget the amazing voting capabilities (Ok, ignore that as an insult. It was meant a a joke.)
Awww...stop ripping on Florida. I WISH I lived in Florida. Or, I'm looking forward to going to college there, because New Jersey sucks donkey nuts. You'll find morons no matter where you go, it's just what they happen to be bitching about at any given time. Trust me, things are as fucked up everywhere else as they are down there, and probably more so in NJ. Definitely more so in NJ. DAMN. And yeah, this is a dumb idea. As if lawsuits weren't a big enough problem in our country's fucked up legal system, now you can sue your profs and teachers for teaching you things you don't want to learn about. Just think...a world where you can sue your math teacher because you don't believe you should learn math... hard cold fact: being taught about something doesn't mean you're being indoctrinated, just informed. Now, there are some teachers and profs out there that abuse their positions, yeah...but giving the whole profession crap like this to deal with because of the actions of a few assholes is just plain retarded.
"Neoconservatism" is ironic. "Neoconservaties" are not conservatives whatsoever. I don't know who invented this new buzz word but they're an idiot. You can't be a neo-conservative because that goes against all conservative values... It's like calling a conservative a Communist, two different idealogies. Don't forget that fascism as we know it today was started by Adolf Hitler and his National Socialist party. Hitler was a liberal in today's views, and so was his Nazi party. Fascism is a liberal invention, and saying "neoconservatives" are fascists is like saying a donkey is an elephant. If anything, people like SuperFlyingEngie are fascists.
If a conservative like old-day morals and values, then what the fuck is a "neo"/new conservative anyway? And what the hell does that have to do with a stupid law allowing people to sue for being taught about things they didn't want to learn? Does that mean I can sue my ex-boyfriend for telling me he was sleeping with my sister because I didn't want to know about it? Stupid! (And yes, I made that up)
Aircraftkiller "Neoconservatism" is ironic. "Neoconservaties" are not conservatives whatsoever. I don't know who invented this new buzz word but they're an idiot. You can't be a neo-conservative because that goes against all conservative values... It's like calling a conservative a Communist, two different idealogies. Don't forget that fascism as we know it today was started by Adolf Hitler and his National Socialist party. Hitler was a liberal in today's views, and so was his Nazi party. Fascism is a liberal invention, and saying "neoconservatives" are fascists is like saying a donkey is an elephant. If anything, people like SuperFlyingEngie are fascists. Why, yes, it would be hard to have modern conservatives, if "neocons" followed traditional political concepts and values at all. The majority of the Republicans in the last 15-20 years are conservative by name only. Hence neocon. Just so you know, fascism was really started by Benito Mussolini, with the creation of the Fascist Party in 1919, which Hitler then copied. Mussolini was a socialist as well, but the point is irrelevant. While fascist nations may be founded on liberal ideas of progress, they don't hesitate to recognize themselves as anti-liberal. Fascists before World War II in Italy and Germany were undoubtedly anti-Communist. If anything, neocons are trying to develop fascism in America. Let's go over a definition... Fascism - a political system headed by a dictator that calls for extreme nationalism[a] and racism[b] and no tolerance of opposition.[c] [a] - How many times have you heard "It's unpatriotic to criticise the president during times of war..." and other talking points along those lines? I mean, look no further than Nodbugger and cowmisfit. [b] - What's with the huge anti-Gay movement all of a sudden? Exact same thing happened in Nazi Germany with the Jews, America just doesn't have an absolute dictator yet, although George Bush is twisting the Secret Service more and more into his brown shirts, what with them arresting protestors at his events and hustling them out as fast as possible [The secret service doesn't actually have this power] And speaking of rascism, what about the direct link between concentration camps and American interrogation centers like Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib? Instead of Jews, we're persecuting Arabs. Hitler never had any concentration camps in Germany, they were in Poland. And with good reason, just like now. [c] - Look no further than this bill right here. Fascism, however liberal it may be, has a desire to repress liberal ideas, and this bill is just one example of that. And now, if the media even tries to be centrist, they are quickly denounced as being far left. Look at when the New York Times ran a story above the fold about 350 tons of RDx going missing in Iraq. 350 tons of one of the most powerful conventional explosives known to man is pretty important, isn't it? And for this one story, ACK here denounced it as the media going "apeshit" over this story. It only ever appeared in mainstream TV media with phony-baloney stories after it about how there were never any explosives there anyways. Rathergate is another example. I like how, when George Bush denounced Putin about shutting down a news organization, Putin responded, "Why do you say these things? We did not denounce you when you had Dan Rather fired." <-- Not exact words, but the point remains.
doh! I wish I was a lion, or a bear, and I would not have to put up with these politics. The only politics I'd have, are what the best way to kill a bunny rabbit is. etc..
Just me, or does SFE's latest reply look like a cut and paste from somewhere?
Yeah, it's from his father's new blog.
The bill is a bad solution to a real problem. NukeIt15 hard cold fact: being taught about something doesn't mean you're being indoctrinated, just informed. Cold hard fact: many (I would venture to say the majority) of today's state university professors attempt to indocrinate their students with extremely liberal or even communist doctrine and eliminate opposition to their views from the students, usually by failing the student because he presents an opposing view. These professors receive payment from taxpayer dollars, yet they actively eliminate opposition to their own views. Academic freedom is very hard to come by in one of today's state universities. Quote: Now, there are some teachers and profs out there that abuse their positions, yeah... That's the understatement of the year. Quote: but giving the whole profession crap like this to deal with because of the actions of a few assholes is just plain retarded. "Because of the actions of a few assholes" is another understatement. True, this law may be one of the worse ways to deal with the problem, but you can't say it doesn't exist because, well, it does.
cowmisfit More educated and make better decisions. Ah like the educated judges who are starving a woman to death. Ahh be amazed at florida. You mean the judges of a dominantly-Republican state?
Crimson Just me, or does SFE's latest reply look like a cut and paste from somewhere? And yet it isn't.
U927 You mean the judges of a dominantly-Republican state? who were nominated by whom? definitely not those Republicans you speak of..
SuperFlyingEngi what about the direct link between concentration camps and American interrogation centers like Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib? Instead of Jews, we're persecuting Arabs. Hitler never had any concentration camps in Germany, they were in Poland. And with good reason, just like now. You attempt to write so eloquently, providing speeches with large words and filled with information to back up your beliefs.. Only problem is, the bullshit seeps through the paragraphs.. Lets start with a small list: Bergen-Belsen Neuengamme Ravensbruck Sachsenhausen Dora-Mittelbau Buchenwald Flossenburg Dachau Wiesterbork Natzweiler Mauthausen Theresienstadt Sered Janowska Koldichevo There's a list of 15 concentration camps, none of which are in Poland.. but 9 which are in Germany.. So, what was your point again? I'll tell you mine: People just might take you more serious, if you presented valid, truthful information instead of the biased, unresearched opinions you always do.
IRON FART To those people who still do not believe in evolution: Get with the program. I find it funny that in this day and age, people cling on to what the bible says and interpret it so literally that any possibility of evolution is considered rubbish. I believe in evolution, however, I don't believe in the Theory of Evolution. I definetely believe in Natural Selection and the idea that organisms adapt to their environment, and whenever they're taken out of their natural environment, they adapt to the new environment, at least, to the best of their abilities. Christians that dismiss the idea of evolution are nothing but idiots. I'm sorry, but you can't look at history and not see any change among living organisms over the course of even 200 years.
I agree.. my legs grew just so they could reach the pedals in my car.
Quote: I agree.. my legs grew just so they could reach the pedals in my car. I know you're just joking, but your legs would grow to the same length wether you had a car or not to accommodate.
SuperFlyingEngi Hitler never had any concentration camps in Germany, they were in Poland. And with good reason, just like now. So where the hell was Auschwitz? Also of course we can deny the holocaust and make a few million in the legal process, all we have to do is find someone that was there at the time and then call them senile because it was about 70 years ago. My dad wasn't there, but I'm sure if you told him there wasn't a holocaust he might have something to say in the negative. Not saying my dad's the authority on this but he was around in ww2 britain
msgtpain SuperFlyingEngi what about the direct link between concentration camps and American interrogation centers like Guantanamo Bay and Abu Ghraib? Instead of Jews, we're persecuting Arabs. Hitler never had any concentration camps in Germany, they were in Poland. And with good reason, just like now. You attempt to write so eloquently, providing speeches with large words and filled with information to back up your beliefs.. Only problem is, the bullshit seeps through the paragraphs.. Lets start with a small list: Bergen-Belsen Neuengamme Ravensbruck Sachsenhausen Dora-Mittelbau Buchenwald Flossenburg Dachau Wiesterbork Natzweiler Mauthausen Theresienstadt Sered Janowska Koldichevo There's a list of 15 concentration camps, none of which are in Poland.. but 9 which are in Germany.. Here's a list of concentration camps: http://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/jsource/Holocaust/major_camps.html Now, given, the same number of major camps are in both Germany and Poland, but they are not the same kinds of camps. Note how every camp in Germany is a forced labor or holding camp, as opposed to 2/3 of the camps in Poland being "annihalation" camps. The Nazis could only shield their citizens from so much at home, whereas in other countries such as Poland the mass deaths were conducted. Jzinsky So where the hell was Auschwitz? Poland. You didn't actually believe that I was doubting whether or not the holocaust occured, did you, Jzinsky? j_ball430 I believe in evolution, however, I don't believe in the Theory of Evolution. How does that work? msgtpain So, what was your point again? Gosh, if you addressed my entire post instead of one snippet, you might just know.
SuperFlyingEngi j_ball430 I believe in evolution, however, I don't believe in the Theory of Evolution. How does that work? Read the rest of my post, maybe?
I did, actually. What part of the Theory of Evolution do you not believe in as opposed to non-Theory evolution. I actually wasn't aware that there was a difference.
The term evolution is described as: 1. The process of developing. 2. Gradual development. Evolution agrees with the Bible, whereas, the Theory of Evolution doesn't. I generally disgree with everything about the Theory of Evolution that states that the universe just came to be without a creator. This, of course, is because I am a Christian.
j_ball430 I believe in evolution, however, I don't believe in the Theory of Evolution. I definetely believe in Natural Selection and the idea that organisms adapt to their environment, and whenever they're taken out of their natural environment, they adapt to the new environment, at least, to the best of their abilities. Christians that dismiss the idea of evolution are nothing but idiots. I'm sorry, but you can't look at history and not see any change among living organisms over the course of even 200 years. I believe exactly the same. Im going to show my gf these posts as she thinks Im condemned to hell by believing in Natural Selection. You just put it in words I wanted to say it in. Modern proof of this: AntiBiotics: They are having less and less effect in prison camps in Russia to TB(Tuberculosis) because when they were first given the anit-biotics, the prisoners did not FINISH the antibiotics and thus, more resistant bacterium were born from those pathogens that survived. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/10/4/l_104_09.html (be sure to view the video there as well for more info)
SuperFlyingEngi Jzinsky So where the hell was Auschwitz? Poland. You didn't actually believe that I was doubting whether or not the holocaust occured, did you, Jzinsky? No, but I did think Auschwitz was in Germany, and no I never bothered to look it up, my bad. My point is that most of the more recent history is very well documented. I think if this gets to court then the pupil is going to have to learn the subject inside out in order to make a case, thus negating the point of the subject not being taught.
Quote: Why, yes, it would be hard to have modern conservatives, if "neocons" followed traditional political concepts and values at all. The majority of the Republicans in the last 15-20 years are conservative by name only. Hence neocon. Just so you know, fascism was really started by Benito Mussolini, with the creation of the Fascist Party in 1919, which Hitler then copied. Mussolini was a socialist as well, but the point is irrelevant. While fascist nations may be founded on liberal ideas of progress, they don't hesitate to recognize themselves as anti-liberal. Fascists before World War II in Italy and Germany were undoubtedly anti-Communist. If anything, neocons are trying to develop fascism in America. Let's go over a definition... Lets not, because Hitler was a liberal by today's definition of the word and he espoused liberal idealogy. His regime was almost identical to commuism, and I know many people just like you would have been singing his praise today had he kept Europe. It doesn't matter if they were anti-communist because they had the SAME BELIEFS. The same worker's paradise, the same social programs, the same system of denying your rights in the interest of the common good. Just like you would have others do to this nation. STFU you fucking retard.
Just because Communists and Fascists hated each other does not mean they didnt have common ideals, it just means they saw each other as a threat.
Aircraftkiller Lets not, because Hitler was a liberal by today's definition of the word and he espoused liberal idealogy. His regime was almost identical to commuism, and I know many people just like you would have been singing his praise today had he kept Europe. [a] So what? He believed in progressive policy. [b] No, I really wouldn't be supporting Hitler if he were in office today and carrying out atrocities. Although, before Hitler went nuts and started killing non-Aryans, the entire world believed he was going to be one of the greatest leaders Germany had ever had. Somewhere between 1929 and 1935, I think, Hitler was Time's Man of the Year. If Hitler hadn't been a loon, he could have been one of the more positively distinguished leaders of the 20th Century. ACK It doesn't matter if they were anti-communist because they had the SAME BELIEFS. The same worker's paradise, the same social programs, the same system of denying your rights in the interest of the common good. But it does matter that they were anti-communist. That's the point I was making. The current neo-conservatives are radically anti-liberal, but they don't exactly follow conservative policies. Just like fascism. The only area they retain "traditional" values is in things such as condemning homos and bombing abortion clinics. ACK Just like you would have others do to this nation. STFU you fucking retard. I thought I had you in the crushing grip of inevitable reason, until I read this line. I have now realized I must yield to your strong, uninformed opinions and rude, childish behavior.
SuperFlyingEngi [b] No, I really wouldn't be supporting Hitler if he were in office today and carrying out atrocities. Although, before Hitler went nuts and started killing non-Aryans, the entire world believed he was going to be one of the greatest leaders Germany had ever had. Somewhere between 1929 and 1935, I think, Hitler was Time's Man of the Year. If Hitler hadn't been a loon, he could have been one of the more positively distinguished leaders of the 20th Century. You realize that this has absolutely nothing to do with the point you're trying to make besides the first sentence, correct?
What does Nazism and Fascism have to do with not teaching in schools?
j_ball430 You realize that this has absolutely nothing to do with the point you're trying to make besides the first sentence, correct? Only partially. It means something else, which I bet ACK will get, despite you obviously missing it. gbull What does Nazism and Fascism have to do with not teaching in schools? One of the main points of fascism is suppressing opinions not endorsed by the "system," if you will. In this case the system being the neocon agenda. One could potentially glean that from reading the thread.
gbull j_ball430 I believe in evolution, however, I don't believe in the Theory of Evolution. I definetely believe in Natural Selection and the idea that organisms adapt to their environment, and whenever they're taken out of their natural environment, they adapt to the new environment, at least, to the best of their abilities. Christians that dismiss the idea of evolution are nothing but idiots. I'm sorry, but you can't look at history and not see any change among living organisms over the course of even 200 years. I believe exactly the same. Im going to show my gf these posts as she thinks Im condemned to hell by believing in Natural Selection. You just put it in words I wanted to say it in. Modern proof of this: AntiBiotics: They are having less and less effect in prison camps in Russia to TB(Tuberculosis) because when they were first given the anit-biotics, the prisoners did not FINISH the antibiotics and thus, more resistant bacterium were born from those pathogens that survived. http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/evolution/library/10/4/l_104_09.html (be sure to view the video there as well for more info) Bacteria only need to survive antibiotics like that once to build up a resistance. Once they have a resistance, any bacteria that form from them will have that resistance, and any bacteria so much as touching the resistant bacteria will become resistant. This story applies to malaria drugs in Africa. People are so afraid of getting malaria, that they take the drugs, even on false alarms, and build a resistance. America is not a christian country, so kids shouldn't be taught like it is one. Schools should not hang on to old religious value as a basis not to teach evolution or make up the lame excuse that people are offended by it because of their religion.
I am a resultant of the American School system. I never have learned once about divine creation or intelligent design in school. Not once was it even mentioned. I've learned Evolution theory in biology. Java will tell you I'm a man of science, but yet I beleive in creation theory. How can this be? Oh he must be an idiot. Sure your a man of Science you beleive in that little binded evil called "The Bible". Yeah the fuck right. I just have a little faith. I beleive in a slightly loose interperetation of the process and it all fits if you just dont take every word at face value. I wish everyone would just shut the fuck up about creation and evolution. And even more, religion in schools. I get judaism and islam shoved down my god damn neck. I never once hear a drop of christianity. I'm a white, Christian, male. Bastard of the world.
IRON FART Bacteria only need to survive antibiotics like that once to build up a resistance. Once they have a resistance, any bacteria that form from them will have that resistance, and any bacteria so much as touching the resistant bacteria will become resistant. This story applies to malaria drugs in Africa. People are so afraid of getting malaria, that they take the drugs, even on false alarms, and build a resistance. America is not a christian country, so kids shouldn't be taught like it is one. Schools should not hang on to old religious value as a basis not to teach evolution or make up the lame excuse that people are offended by it because of their religion. Isn't malaria caused by a dinoflagellate protist? I thought antibiotics didn't work on those. Or are you saying that the people think it might work, and thus try to use it. My thoughts on religion in schools: I believe schools should teach the major topics of important world religions like Hinduism, Christianity, Islam, and Judaism. Because religion has, throughout history, been a major factor in shaping the world. Doitle, I really don't believe that you've never been taught anything of Christianity in school. I've had 2 or something less years of schooling than you have, and I have been taught the major points of Christianity, along with Hindusim, Buddhism, Daoism, Shintoism, Judaism, Islam, and a couple others.
Not a fucking drop. We learn every world religion but mine. It makes me feel bad because its like I am discriminated against, and the reality is. I am. Other countries hate Americans. Other races hate whites. Other religions hate Christians. Feminists hate men. It's rediculous. I can live out my life trying to be a nice person and be so thoroughly hated for just not bothering anyone. I bet Hitler didn't feel this kind of hatred.
Quote: Isn't malaria caused by a dinoflagellate protist? I thought antibiotics didn't work on those. Or are you saying that the people think it might work, and thus try to use it. No, I mean humans build a tolerance to it. You are right you don't take antibiotics for malaria. But the fact that humans can build a tolerance is an example of microevolution (well... it's a part of microevolution).
I was never taught the Christian Faith in School aside from the Crusades. I had a whole chapter on Islam though. In College, it only gets worse im afraid.
I've never had to know the Ten Commandments for a test, but I've needed to know the Pillers of Faith, various Shinto and Buddhist practices, other random Islamic facts, things about Jainism... I believe there was things about Judaism in addition. But nothing about Christianity really o_o I've had to write things about pilgrimages and such... The only Christian-specific assignments, per se, was one where we had to create a new part for Dante's Inferno (Ralph Nader was the subject of my wrath, in case you were curious). That was with my favorite teacher ever, in my freshman year of high school, for my Western Civ class. And, I once wrote, for English, about The Canterbury Tales. Oh, English is where we learned the most about Christianity, but we still learned way more about 'other' things. And we read, starting in freshman year of high school, way more stuff written by black people (or really old, classic white people... like Shakespeare), than modern-at-all white people. And a lot of it was rather sick and disgusting in various ways