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description: I would like to make a legal pursuit against Jonathan D. Holmes for using private work of my mod and posting it on the internet. How should I start this ? http://dynamic6.gamespy.com/~renalert/forum/index.php?showtopic=5959 He is making fun of something I didn't released for good reasons... I took a screenshot of the page, and recorded the source so I have proof. Now I want to go further and have him to the court. I never gave my permission to JD holmes to use or download any of my work. He has to pay. They used a hack on phpbb ( 2.0.13 needed or you will be hacked too ) to gain access to internal board, thx god they think we use only that place and so found only old files it seems...) Quote: Hi everyone, phpBB Group announces the release of phpBB 2.0.13, the "Beware of the furries" edition. This release addresses two recent security exploits, one of them critical. They were reported a few days after .12 was released and no one is more annoyed than us, having to release a new version in such a short period of time. Fortunately both fixes are easy and in each case just one line needs to be edited. The first issue is critical (session handling allowing everyone gaining administrator rights) and we urge you to fix it on your forums as soon as possible: Open includes/sessions.php Find: Code: if( $sessiondata['autologinid'] == $auto_login_key ) Replace with: Code: if( $sessiondata['autologinid'] === $auto_login_key ) A second minor issue reported to bugtraq several days ago was the path disclosure bug in viewtopic.php which got fixed by applying the following steps: Open viewtopic.php Find: Code: $message = str_replace('\"', '"', substr(preg_replace('#(\>(((?>([^><]+|(?R)))*)\<))#se', "preg_replace('#\b(" . $highlight_match . ")\b#i', '\\\\1', '\\0')", '>' . $message . '<'), 1, -1)); Replace with: Code: $message = str_replace('\"', '"', substr(@preg_replace('#(\>(((?>([^><]+|(?R)))*)\<))#se', "@preg_replace('#\b(" . $highlight_match . ")\b#i', '\\\\1', '\\0')", '>' . $me…
creator: Renardin6
date: 2005-03-05T11:15:07-00:00

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description: I believe some action like this is totally necasary.
creator: PsycoArmy
date: 2005-03-05T12:12:03-00:00

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description: action agaisnt : Jonathan D. Holmes. Niceville, Florida. USA.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2005-03-05T12:19:43-00:00

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description: If it can be done, Renardin will do it, If ACK was able to take action against Joey for the URL hijack, I think something can be done against him for that act of slander. I mean the the skin was still WIP, hence it wasn't released to the public.
creator: Mick
date: 2005-03-05T12:20:06-00:00

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description: PsycoArmy I believe some action like this is totally necasary. Ditto.
creator: Hav0c
date: 2005-03-05T12:46:57-00:00

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description: Oh no I've just been banned from the precious RenAlert forum, dear god whatever am I going to do
creator: Mick
date: 2005-03-05T12:48:21-00:00

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description: Banned? Not to my knowledge. Legal action? Good luck. You put your work in a public directory where one of my forum members found all of your artwork assets. I simply posted one of the most horrible pieces of shit you made up for everyone to see, and now you cry foul? There's no legal basis for any claim you could make with this. Joey was infringing on our intellectual copyright by violating the standards set forth for registering domain names. Since we're not taking your domain name after it expires, there's absolutely nothing you can do except pull your head out of your collective asses and learn how to put your files in a secure location where someone like fatcat can't just waltz in; he downloaded whatever he wanted because not only was the folder unprotected, the files weren't either. You're a bunch of retards.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-05T12:59:01-00:00

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description: As are you, I've never encountered anyone who needs to bash other people's (WIP) work as you do. I beg your pardon, a temporary suspension because I stated the facts, and allow me to retort, you are an arsehole.
creator: Mick
date: 2005-03-05T13:00:40-00:00

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description: Probably because you don't get out much to find more than the people that agree with your line of thought.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-05T13:01:47-00:00

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description: I get out a fair bit my friend, it seems as though you're the one with issues not me, don't blame me because you're an arsehole.
creator: Mick
date: 2005-03-05T13:02:43-00:00

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description: What issues? Are you psychic, able to tell that someone has "issues" because they think your work looks like a field full of cow manure? For all that getting out you do, it's surprising you haven't found anyone but me that thinks Reborn is total garbage.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-05T13:06:13-00:00

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description: I saw him laugh on his forum. Let's see how long time he will. I see my uncle tomorrow. He told me we might do something. Let's see then. Anyway he told me to go the police on monday to report the stuff. I will do it. Edit: And as I read your post now, I warn you : I am not joking. I am serious.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2005-03-05T13:15:19-00:00

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description: Yeah, you'll do something... If by that you mean you'll do nothing at all, because there's no law in existence that covers what you're complaining about. Please take pictures when the police tell you to leave because they have actual crimes to worry about. Know why I said that? Because I haven't done anything illegal. Blaming me for showing a piece of shit texture you placed in a public folder that was discovered by someone else is like blaming spoons for making Rosie O'Donnell fat. No one stole anything you made. Like the idiot you are, you allowed your team's work to be placed in an insecure folder... Now you're going to go to the police? Your idiocy knows no bounds!
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-05T13:18:38-00:00

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description: Get a fucking life you cock sucker mother fucker! (that was aimed at the cock sucking monkey we call ACK)
creator: WNxCABAL
date: 2005-03-05T13:23:19-00:00

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description: Quote: I would like to make a legal pursuit against Jonathan D. Holmes for using private work of my mod and posting it on the internet. Lol, you can't, he hasn't done anything illegal. Firstly, he didn't get it from the server, Fatcat did, they both said that he did a couple times in that thread. He isn't using your private work. And posting your texture on the internet isn't illegal. Even what Fatcat did wasn't illegal, he didn't break into it and steal it since it's a public folder (not passworded), anyone could have. Besides it being Aircraftkiller and that he posted your texture, why is this such a big deal? It's completely worthless without the model the UVW mapping was made for.
creator: Sir Phoenixx
date: 2005-03-05T13:25:11-00:00

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description: WNxCABAL Get a fucking life you cock sucker mother fucker! (that was aimed at the cock sucking monkey we call ACK) Now now.. no need to act like a children by using such words.
creator: Aeonreaper
date: 2005-03-05T13:25:53-00:00

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description: Thank you for your wonderful insight into this topic, WNxCABAL. Without your assistance I wouldn't have been able to show that you had nothing to contribute - nothing of value whatsoever! How would we have known that CABAL would not have written anything of worth to anyone but himself had he not come in here to show us all? Thank you CABAL, you're the shining example that all other morons should adhere to.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-05T13:29:47-00:00

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description: Sir Phoenixx Besides it being Aircraftkiller and that he posted your texture, why is this such a big deal? It's completely worthless without the model the UVW mapping was made for. I don't care. He wasn't allowed to use this or post it on the internet. Well don't worry if you think we can't do anything :rolleyes: . KTHX.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2005-03-05T13:34:56-00:00

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description: Too bad you really can't do anything.
creator: Sir Kane
date: 2005-03-05T13:36:32-00:00

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description: And your point is? Before you complain about me posting a single craptacular texture you made, rememeber you've actually violated international law several times by taking my portraits and editing them. As far as I can remember, with my memory being as unreliable as it is at 7:30 AM, you've made about six edited versions of my portraits... All done without my consent, and all done in an attempt to harass and defame my person. That violates Internet harassment laws, if you didn't realize it before. Be sure to mention that part to your uncle, and especially to the police, right before they laugh at you for wasting their time.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-05T13:38:44-00:00

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description: Renardin6 Well don't worry if you think we can't do anything :rolleyes: . KTHX. What I think you can or can't do about it has nothing to do with this, you simply can't do anything legally about it.
creator: Sir Phoenixx
date: 2005-03-05T13:48:49-00:00

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description: Renardin6 I would like to make a legal pursuit against Jonathan D. Holmes for using private work of my mod and posting it on the internet. If he actually uses it on any of his work, then yes: perhaps you'd have some legal recourse. However, posting a picture of it on a website does not constutiute "use". Making a vehicle, putting it on, then distributing it... that would be "use" If it indeed was a secure place, then perhaps you have some recourse against them for that action. Edit: quick reminder... Lawsuits cost money, lots of money. So if you are willing to spend the required funds to attempt a lawsuit, then thats your prerogative.
creator: warranto
date: 2005-03-05T14:00:05-00:00

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description: wait & see. Might not work OR might work... Anyway for the harassment part... let me tell you one point : 'reborn sucks...kthx'
creator: Renardin6
date: 2005-03-05T14:06:43-00:00

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description: Not only that, the only "evidence" you have is a recording and a picture. The court won't take that too seriously because of programs like Adobe Photoshop, if you know what I mean. Even though you didn't doctor anything, you'd still need more proof. Also, if someone doesn't have their files stored in a secure place, then that's not an excuse to steal them. The fact is, is that the file was still on his server, so taking the file from it and publicly using it could be illegal, regardless if it was not securely stored.
creator: Burn
date: 2005-03-05T14:07:33-00:00

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description: But he didn't use it, he just put it on display.
creator: Sir Phoenixx
date: 2005-03-05T14:09:39-00:00

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description: WORLDS MOST PATHETIC LAWSUITS TONIGHT AT 10!! Dude, he hasn't done anything wrong. A kid that lives some thousands of miles away from you said your Mod SUcks a few billion times. SO WHAT? THe police are going to probebly laugh in your face ecpecially if your files we're not secure , and they probebly don't even know anything about that stuff anyway at your local police department so good luck with that.
creator: cowmisfit
date: 2005-03-05T14:14:39-00:00

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description: I'm not really seeing what's illegal here... Isn't that the same thing as going to any other website, right mouse clicking on a picture and doing "Save Picture As..." ?
creator: Burn
date: 2005-03-05T14:20:43-00:00

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description: It is.
creator: Sir Kane
date: 2005-03-05T14:24:30-00:00

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description: Yes, it's exactly the same. The only thing that would make this illegal is if he claimed it as his own, or used it for something else. And I can't see why he would even want to do either. Just because I don't WANT Renardin to post here, doesn't make it illegal, this is a public forum.. Same for just because Renardin didn't want Aircraftkiller to find/download that work, still doesn't make it illegal, it was in a public folder.
creator: Renx
date: 2005-03-05T14:25:23-00:00

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description: What kind of punishment are you intending for the law system to give him? A slap on the wrist and telling him to not do it again?
creator: Burn
date: 2005-03-05T14:29:57-00:00

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description: Renx it was in a public folder. No, it was an hidden folder to the public. The path to this folder has been found with a hack on our forum and ack used it. IT WASN'T PUBLIC. HOW CAN A COMMUNITY BE SO MUCH A BUNCH OF FUCKERS? First the admins accept this stupid name for a stupid ass like ack... Then some morons put all our files public... After that an asshole put our work on his fucking forum... Why do I still try ot make this mod? Something has to change. More news on http://www.cncreborn.com And my word to some of you now : Crimson : just fuck off ! You didn't help for a single shit on that, that stupid name of ack is a proof of your stupidity. Ack : If I can't do anything against you, I will deal with it. Better never meet you fucker. asskisser of ack : just fuck off If it exists a Renegade Community, this ( renforums ) is certainly not a part of it. Just arguing fuckers.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2005-03-05T14:30:37-00:00

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description: "omg ima go sue ur grandmom cuz she clickd a link som1 pasted!!11"
creator: Sir Kane
date: 2005-03-05T14:34:38-00:00

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description: OK, but did you post that picture as a WIP somewhere on your website before he posted that? Or, was that picture never posted and it was just in the folder? If you never posted the picture, then that's different. That means he "hacked" the picture out of your folder and posted it, without your permission. Maybe that is illegal, who knows. If that's the case though, then what was the picture doing in there in the first place? Why didn't you just keep it on your computer's desktop?
creator: Burn
date: 2005-03-05T14:35:25-00:00

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description: Renardin6 No, it was an hidden folder to the public. The path to this folder has been found with a hack on our forum and ack used it. No he didn't, Fatcat was the one that got into the folder. Did you even read that thread at all? The only thing Aircraftkiller did was display it.
creator: Sir Phoenixx
date: 2005-03-05T14:38:02-00:00

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description: Reborn Sucks Thank you for your wonderful insight into this topic, WNxCABAL. Without your assistance I wouldn't have been able to show that you had nothing to contribute - nothing of value whatsoever! How would we have known that CABAL would not have written anything of worth to anyone but himself had he not come in here to show us all? Thank you CABAL, you're the shining example that all other morons should adhere to. Piss Off
creator: WNxCABAL
date: 2005-03-05T14:39:24-00:00

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description: Before you take any legaal action, I suggest you look here: http://www.lawguru.com/ilawlib/2.htm So you won't be wasting your time.
creator: Burn
date: 2005-03-05T14:43:00-00:00

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description: Renardin6 Renx it was in a public folder. HOW CAN A COMMUNITY BE SO MUCH A BUNCH OF FUCKERS? First the admins accept this stupid name for a stupid ass like ack... Then some morons put all our files public... After that an asshole put our work on his fucking forum... Why do I still try ot make this mod? Something has to change. More news on http://www.cncreborn.com And my word to some of you now : Crimson : just fuck off ! You didn't help for a single shit on that, that stupid name of ack is a proof of your stupidity. Ack : If I can't do anything against you, I will deal with it. Better never meet you fucker. asskisser of ack : just fuck off If it exists a Renegade Community, this ( renforums ) is certainly not a part of it. Just arguing fuckers. I'd like to bring back my previous statement, about you being the one to deal with the public...If you have any respect for your own mod at all, you should not be posting shit like this on the official renegade forum. Most people that take interest in your mod now are probably going to see it here. Warranto has been training to be a lawyer for quite some time now I believe. If anyone here knows what he's talking about, it's warranto. Anything not protected on the internet is free for the public to view. Not use, but viewing it is more that acceptable. Putting 2 z's infront of the name doesn't qualify as protection in most places these days.
creator: Renx
date: 2005-03-05T14:45:01-00:00

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description: http://blazers.ass.n00bstories.com/image.view.php?id=1283576182
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-05T14:59:43-00:00

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description: Here's a follow up on that image:
creator: Renx
date: 2005-03-05T15:03:10-00:00

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description: Renardin6 And my word to some of you now : Crimson : just fuck off ! You didn't help for a single shit on that, that stupid name of ack is a proof of your stupidity. Ack : If I can't do anything against you, I will deal with it. Better never meet you fucker. asskisser of ack : just fuck off Oh threating the person your taking a law suit upon like this is not a good idea. God your full of smarts.
creator: cowmisfit
date: 2005-03-05T15:03:29-00:00

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description: I hate to break the news to you, my friend, but it's not just the Renegade community. I've run a lot of communities in the past (I'll give you proof if you want it), and I've been to a lot of communities. Trust me, all online communities are like this. You have to just take anything anyone says, and accept the fact that there's nothing you can do about it. If you were more serious about taking legal action, then maybe you shouldn't have posted about it on a public forum. Now you know that with every post you make on a forum, someone will always be the opposition, and arguing with them will achieve nothing. Anyone else on this forum can type just as fast as you can. EDIT: By the way, coming on the forum and calling everyone fuckers and complaining about someone bashing your work will not make a community change. It just adds to the hate.
creator: Burn
date: 2005-03-05T15:05:34-00:00

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description: Hmm, Id like to say this, if the skin was in a private area and a hack as needed to get it, ACK did comit a crime, theivery? Doesnt matter if I fucking take two bucks from you, theivery, a texture is the same way, personal property, privately held, you took it, theivery, now you didnt plan on using it but you took it, theivery...
creator: FynexFox
date: 2005-03-05T15:54:17-00:00

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description: It wasn't in a private area, it was in a public folder. Anyone could of viewed it, me, you, and even aircraftkiller.
creator: Renx
date: 2005-03-05T16:01:23-00:00

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description: Someone please lock this thread, the bullshitometer is going through the roof
creator: Pendullum
date: 2005-03-05T16:01:51-00:00

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description: I notice it only started hitting the high point once you posted here, Pendumbass.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-05T16:03:42-00:00

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description: I think this entire debacle just serves to highlight how childish, petty and small-minded the vast majority of this community is.
creator: PiMuRho
date: 2005-03-05T16:11:12-00:00

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description: Reborn Sucks I notice it only started hitting the high point once you posted here, Pendumbass. That was un-called for.
creator: WNxCABAL
date: 2005-03-05T16:16:45-00:00

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description: Reborn Sucks I notice it only started hitting the high point once you posted here, Pendumbass. Sorry Asscrackfiller, this meter filled up the second you were born, your just overflowing it now
creator: Pendullum
date: 2005-03-05T16:39:35-00:00

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description: Simmer down children, mmkay.
creator: Burn
date: 2005-03-05T16:54:27-00:00

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description: You're going to start legal procedures in Florida from Europe over a skin? I don't think you have any grounds to charge him with. You're better off telling ACK to slap himself on the wrist.
creator: IRON FART
date: 2005-03-05T17:41:04-00:00

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description: PiMuRho I think this entire debacle just serves to highlight how childish, petty and small-minded the vast majority of this community is. Agreed completely. This is by far the most stupid and degrading thing I have ever seen come from both parties. Jupiter, you are a horrible person for commending the person who took those private files from Reborn and posting them to the public just to laugh and make fun of them. Renardin, you aren't going to get a lawsuit out of someone taking some files and saying your work sucks. The judge will no sooner throw the case out of court, pending if you even get that far with it. For crying out loud, when are you people going to grow up and start working together.
creator: vloktboky
date: 2005-03-05T17:56:37-00:00

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description: I don't work with people I don't respect.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-05T18:03:31-00:00

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description: ... never ending shit... what will be next? i dont support any camp: AK or Renardin. Both need to change something: make some effort and make end of this useless problem in that community. I have been away for 2 months now, eh... Nothing changed.. no evolution, no change in that old way of thinking. Anyway i hope this will end soon, and things will get better.. Good luck guys.
creator: TheKGBspy
date: 2005-03-05T18:16:34-00:00

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description: Tell me about it, no-one works with you ACK cause you're an arsehole!
creator: Mick
date: 2005-03-05T18:16:52-00:00

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creator: rm5248
date: 2005-03-05T18:21:24-00:00

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description: More like ACK is the wanker, he's the one picking on Reborn, I blame him for this.
creator: Mick
date: 2005-03-05T18:23:33-00:00

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description: Volkov Tell me about it, no-one works with you cause you're an arsehole! D6 members work with me. Dante works with me. RA team works with me. Crimson works with me. Blazer works with me. Mac worked with me. I made my point, you're an idiot.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-05T18:48:51-00:00

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description: Do you think Retardin6 gets more retarded every day?[list] Yes, he does. No, he doesn't I don't know. [/list:u]
creator: Sir Kane
date: 2005-03-05T19:07:54-00:00

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description: Reborn Sucks Volkov Tell me about it, no-one works with you cause you're an arsehole! D6 members work with me. Dante works with me. RA team works with me. Crimson works with me. Blazer works with me. Mac worked with me. I made my point, you're an idiot. With this kind of behavior, you may want to consider scratching the top two on your list off.
creator: vloktboky
date: 2005-03-05T19:11:08-00:00

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description: What behavior? Bashing Reborn like I've done steadily for the last two years? All I've done is show the same unit texture that he already showed off. I had nothing to do with "stealing" his work, as I don't care enough to exploit bugs to find this shit he's got stored somewhere.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-05T19:16:12-00:00

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description: Reborn Sucks What behavior? Bashing Reborn like I've done steadily for the last two years? All I've done is show the same unit texture that he already showed off. I had nothing to do with "stealing" his work, as I don't care enough to exploit bugs to find this shit he's got stored somewhere. you do it for 2 years don't you get tired off it? Grow up we all know already how "good" Reborn is...
creator: Demolition man
date: 2005-03-05T19:24:56-00:00

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description: I'm not going to discuss what is going on behind the scenes, or if anything is going on at all. All I can say is from a professional's POV, this behavior is intollerable. The fact that you didn't use that exploit to steal the files doesn't matter. What does matter is you are willing to take said stolen work, post it in a public place, and LAUGH at them. This is the behavior I am talking about, and it is this same behavior that is going to reach up and bite you in the ass sometime down the road, rather its tonight or some other moment later on.
creator: vloktboky
date: 2005-03-05T19:25:16-00:00

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description: It ain't my fault you're a retard ACK, If you like acting like a dickhead don't try and pass it on to me, the sooner you leave the community the better.
creator: Mick
date: 2005-03-05T19:26:33-00:00

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description: Silent Kane Do you think Retardin6 gets more retarded every day?[list] Yes, he does. No, he doesn't I don't know. [/list:u] Are you doing this fake "poll" thing too much? [list] Yes. No. [/list:u]
creator: Fabian
date: 2005-03-05T19:29:29-00:00

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description: Hmm... will he be still doing it when he is 80 years old? JHD: "Ye heard man, I once playeth a game mod calleth Reborn. It sucketh. Reborn Sucks." Somebody else: "What you are talking about?" On the other side, it would be quite sad as well.
creator: Deactivated
date: 2005-03-05T19:32:52-00:00

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description: vloktboky I'm not going to discuss what is going on behind the scenes, or if anything is going on at all. All I can say is from a professional's POV, this behavior is intollerable. The fact that you didn't use that exploit to steal the files doesn't matter. What does matter is you are willing to take said stolen work, post it in a public place, and LAUGH at them. This is the behavior I am talking about, and it is this same behavior that is going to reach up and bite you in the ass sometime down the road, rather its tonight or some other moment later on. It doesn't matter to me either way. If we don't work off you then the project is cancelled and I can go back to having free time to work on things that actually have some importance in my life. It's win-win either way for me, so do whatever you want to do. I'm still going to bash Reborn and there's not a thing anyone will do about it.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-05T19:49:43-00:00

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description: Renardin6, you are taking this WAY out of proportion here. If you are ACTUALLY going to talk to someone about your "legal case", please, stop it now before you embarrass yourself! R = Renardin J = judge, police, whoever J: So what you're saying is that your work was stolen and posted on the internet for others to ridicule? R: Yes! J: And this Jonathan Holmes, he is the one who stole it? R: No, someone who goes by "fatcat" did it. J: Then why are you pressing charges against Jonathan for the theft? R: Because he post it on the internet and made fun of it! J: You know, if I had to pursue everyone who made fun of someone's work on the internet, I'd never get any time off and I'd be backed up for years. R: But this is a serious matter! He is insulting my work! J: Get the fuck out of here. I've changed ACK's nickname back. For those of us (like me) who couldn't give a shit less about Reborn, the saying of "Reborn Sucks" by Aircraftkiller is merely an amusement and a trademark of his character. Just like that zeratul guy will always be the one who called ACK a "big jakas". He has been insulting your mod forever now, when are you just going to ignore him? It's like if you have a small child who is whining, you ignore him, and he stops. He's been getting this sort of a reaction out of you for a long time, and he'll continue to do it when you get all bent out of shape and upset like this, it makes him keep doing it. Bottom line, Renardin, you need to GROW UP a bit, work on your mod, and quit worrying about ACK. ACK, I've told you time and time again it's old, but you keep doing it. I personally wish you would knock it off, but I don't know what you'd do for kicks if you did.
creator: Crimson
date: 2005-03-05T19:50:57-00:00

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description: As I said, I'll be happy once ACK leaves the C&C community.
creator: Mick
date: 2005-03-05T19:51:41-00:00

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description: Well you seem to be right. Anyway I am sure he is more or less behind that problem. The problem is that I have no 'real' proof. So it won't work. I don't apologize for what I said about the new name of ack that you gave to him. It's not because some idiot ask you something that you have to do it, don't give me lessons about 'growing up' after that. Furthermore, the Reborn forum is now closed for some days and the internal board will be deleted soon. All the team work will go trough chat on MSN/ICQ and ftp secured server @ Fc7 server. And Crimson, update this forum before some Reborn fan decides to shut down the whole place (without me involved, but by knowing some of those, it might happen...). What 'ack' did is a LEAK (or call that like want) and nothing else, posting unauthorized work of Reborn Team. I don't care about him making fun of it. But seeing my work on the internet without my permission piss me off. If it's not showed to the public, it's maybe because it's not done... duh... (and update or everybody will be able to hack here just because of : Powered by phpBB 2.0.11b © 2002-2004 phpBB Group, just my 2 cents...cya)
creator: Renardin6
date: 2005-03-05T20:03:25-00:00

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description: You don't have to justify yourself here, the majority here have no respect for the work of Reborn so why bother reasoning with them.
creator: Mick
date: 2005-03-05T20:11:48-00:00

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description: I find it incredibly hard to respect something that looks like what I flush down the fucking toilet.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2005-03-05T20:14:46-00:00

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description: We patched the phpBB exploit DAYS AGO. I'm not an idiot. I didn't change the name because ACK asked me to, I did it because I thought it would be funny. You need to relax a little.
creator: Crimson
date: 2005-03-05T20:17:26-00:00

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description: j_ball430 I find it incredibly hard to respect something that looks like what I flush down the fucking toilet. I doubt wether you can do better.
creator: Mick
date: 2005-03-05T20:27:58-00:00

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description: Yeh, Really funny... maybe you should take your own advice and grow up a bit.
creator: Hav0c
date: 2005-03-05T20:28:39-00:00

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description: Volkov j_ball430 I find it incredibly hard to respect something that looks like what I flush down the fucking toilet. I doubt wether you can do better. You morons really need to pay attention seeing as this is the second time that I've had to quote myself: j_ball430 For the "it's better than you can do" comment, it's way overplayed and pointless. So what if he couldn't do it? Does that automatically mean he isn't entitled to his opinion? If a company came out with a shitty game, and just because we don't have the skills to do any better does it automatically mean that it's acceptable? If you said yes to any of these questions, you're a fucking retard. It's people like you who make it perfectly acceptable for people to do halfassed jobs. Congratulations, you're corrupting society even more than it already is. Let me ask you this, would you want to drive a car where the workers/machines only were made to do a half-assed job where the bolts weren't tight, welds weren't strong, and the seals weren't sealed correctly?
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2005-03-05T20:36:16-00:00

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description: Anyone else laughing their ass off? *awaits for new post*
creator: Slash0x
date: 2005-03-05T20:36:21-00:00

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description: I just find it annoying that he has such a disrespect for other people's work.
creator: Mick
date: 2005-03-05T20:55:22-00:00

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description: Hav0c Yeh, Really funny... maybe you should take your own advice and grow up a bit. Aww... why don't you take my advice and take a break from the forums for a while?
creator: Crimson
date: 2005-03-05T20:57:01-00:00

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description: Renx Warranto has been training to be a lawyer for quite some time now I believe. If anyone here knows what he's talking about, it's warranto. Just for claification, I'm not training to be a lawyer... yet. I'm currently only training to be a legal assistant. However, even with that course we still do get a crash lesson on the legal issues in most areas of the law.
creator: warranto
date: 2005-03-05T21:03:45-00:00

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description: That's the term I was searching for. I was going to say "lawyer assistant," but that sounded foolish so i decided to leave it at just lawyer until someone corrected me.
creator: Renx
date: 2005-03-05T21:19:58-00:00

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description: With our recent events that have happened with Dead6, this only aggrevates our members second thinking Aircraftkiller's loyalty to anyone but himself. I can not go against the wishes of my team-mates and try to keep this relationship any longer. It is with regret that even though APB was a project I led at one point, and strived to help keep alive, I must remove our affiliation with them due to recent events of there leading member. ~Dante Please Leave Comments Here
creator: Dante
date: 2005-03-05T21:26:31-00:00

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description: Retardin you are trying to sue for the use of public domain... Once it is in a public folder you made it public domain. Have a nice day and lots of lawyers fees.
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2005-03-05T21:35:52-00:00

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description: Anyone who took this "incident" seriously is making me laugh my ass off.
creator: Crimson
date: 2005-03-05T22:55:08-00:00

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description: to DarkDemin : If it was public, I would have posted the link to it. They got access trough a hack. IT WAS NOT PUBLIC. TRY TO THINK MOTHERFUCKER, THIS WAS A HIDDEN NOT PROTECTED PLACE!!!! Great Crimson, but I don't see the funny part on a such leak... Come on...
creator: Renardin6
date: 2005-03-05T23:01:53-00:00

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description: hidden... but still on the internet. Making it public domain. Kthxdie
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2005-03-05T23:06:56-00:00

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description: Renardin6 to DarkDemin : If it was public, I would have posted the link to it. They got access trough a hack. IT WAS NOT PUBLIC. TRY TO THINK MOTHERFUCKER, THIS WAS A HIDDEN NOT PROTECTED PLACE!!!! Great Crimson, but I don't see the funny part on a such leak... Come on... If it was hidden better, it wouldn't have been as easily found. Hint to this dumbass and the Reborn team: blank index.htm files do absolute wonders to keep people from seeing a folder's content.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2005-03-05T23:08:06-00:00

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description: DarkDemin hidden... but still on the internet. Making it public domain. Kthxdie I work for a Finance company in Tech Support. One of the partners of the company have a huge database with practically everybodies personal information (Name, address, DOB, Income, etc..) within the UK & Ireland. I won't say the company name as I am not allowed to. But they recently moved from software to web-based. So all Collectors no longer use software, but the internet to access this onfo. To be able to withhold this information, they must have a certificate to install on IE. Without the certificate, Access Denied. Even though all of this information is on the internet, anybody with un-authorized access can be taken to court. This is a factual metaphor for the data leaked from Reborn forums. Sure it might not be all the users credit card information. But things are password and/or permission protected for a reason on the net and they are not for public viewing. As this is only an image there is pretty much nothing you can do. However, private data was breached. But I don't know the procedure for that. IMO as this is not an official forum to which has legal rights (i.e. one owned by EA or Nokia for example) there isn't much you can do either. Greetz Andy
creator: WNxCABAL
date: 2005-03-06T01:27:45-00:00

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description: Andy, but the difference is: They have to have a certificate to access it, which means that they still have some sort of authentication. This isn't true for what happened with Reborn. They didn't even use cookies/certificates or anything else to protect their folder from the preying eyes of the public.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2005-03-06T01:31:54-00:00

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description: IF this were to ever make it to court, and IF a judgment were to occur in renardin's favor, the mitigating circumstances would be that it was not a protected area, simply hidden. That would have the same effect as the judge laughing at someone who had their car stolen becuase they thought that by leaving it unlocked, it was safe.
creator: warranto
date: 2005-03-06T02:00:26-00:00

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description: I think it'd be more like this: Someone getting their car stolen because they thought that it would be safe by leaving it under a tarp and leaving it unlocked.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2005-03-06T02:20:44-00:00

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description: It's like leaving this around and thinking nobody will steal the hood ornament.
creator: IRON FART
date: 2005-03-06T02:38:57-00:00

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description: That merc doesn't look too well
creator: WNxCABAL
date: 2005-03-06T03:26:50-00:00

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description: It's second hand.
creator: IRON FART
date: 2005-03-06T03:29:10-00:00

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description: warranto IF this were to ever make it to court, and IF a judgment were to occur in renardin's favor, the mitigating circumstances would be that it was not a protected area, simply hidden. That would have the same effect as the judge laughing at someone who had their car stolen becuase they thought that by leaving it unlocked, it was safe. Thx for this, so because the car was unlocked... the steal would be legal ? :rolleyes: KTHX.
creator: Renardin6
date: 2005-03-06T05:37:38-00:00

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description: Renardin, don't waste your time. Screenshots will get you nowhere. People can edit images very easily. Digital information is easily forged and is often discarded in legal cases. By the way:
creator: Yoshimitsu
date: 2005-03-06T06:44:39-00:00

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description: No, it's more like hiding a picture of your fat mother under a rock in your front yard, someone finds the picture (guy #1) and takes a picture of it with his cell phone and emails it to a friend (guy #2). The friend laughs at the picture and shows it to some other friends. Then you sue guy #2 for laughing at your fat mom's picture and showing it to his friends.
creator: Crimson
date: 2005-03-06T09:04:55-00:00

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description: Whatever the legal definition of it, it's childish and pointless. fatcat was wrong to access the files in that way. Aircraftkiller was wrong to post the texture and publicly laugh at it Renardin was wrong for saying he was going to sue. I swear, I have never ever seen a "community" like this one.
creator: PiMuRho
date: 2005-03-06T09:37:56-00:00

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description: PiMuRho I swear, I have never ever seen a "community" like this one. I have not seen anoither person like Aircraftkiller. Thankfully I haven't.
creator: Deactivated
date: 2005-03-06T10:41:24-00:00

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description: I like being unique. I wasn't wrong at all in this, either.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2005-03-06T12:12:05-00:00

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description: Right or wrong, you're actions were stupid, and un-neccesary, but then again you don't care, and It's obvious.
creator: Mick
date: 2005-03-06T13:42:34-00:00