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Here are some quotes from the 'tolerant', 'liberal', 'progressive' people of the left: "I hope his wife feeds him lots of eggs and butter and he dies early like many black men do, of heart disease. ... He is an absolutely reprehensible person." --USA Today Columnist Julianne Malveaux on Justice Clarence Thomas "If there is...justice, he'll get AIDS, or one of his grandchildren will get it." --National Public Radio's (NPR) Nina Totenberg on Sen. Jesse Helms "[I]t may take the destruction of Western Civilization to allow the rest of the world to really emerge as a free and brotherly society." --Newly elected president of that hot-bed of collectivist agitation, The World Council of Churches, Andrew Young "In South Africa we'd call it apartheid. In Nazi Germany we'd call it Fascism. Here [in the U.S.] we call it conservatism. These people are attacking the poor." --"Reverend" Jesse Jackson [who wears $3000 suits -- and spends hundreds of thousand of $ on his mistress as hush money for keeping quiet about the bastard he fathered -- while bemoaning the fate of the poor & preaching"Christian" morality" "Fundamental, Bible-believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in." --Former Democratic Congressman Peter Hoagland......does this sound familiar?? Communism anyone???? Suddenly the state owns your children?? "Our job is to give people not what they want, but what we think they ought to have." --Former president of CBS News, Richard Salant "I'll have those n1ggers voting Democratic for the next 200 years." --Lyndon B. Johnson "When you hear somebody doing it [criticizing the federal government], you ought to stand up and double up your fist and stick it in the sky and shout them down." --Bill Clinton in a speech in Billings, Montana, 1 June '95......PRACTICE WHAT YOU PREACH BILLY BOY. "We don't give a shit about what you have to say." --Gloria Steinham, as she turned off the microphone when feminist Camille Paglia tried to voice a dissenting opinion "You're fired, and your pension is forfeit." --European Court of Justice (sic) to Bernard Connolly who wrote a book exposing European Union lies while acknowledging that what he'd written was true "Suck my dick, you stupid n1gger. Shut the fuck up, and get your black ass out of here, n1gger!" --"Reverend" Jesse Jackson and his gang of thugs to Black conservative J. L. Peterson, when he tried to speak at an L.A. Trade Bureau Forum meeting. (Mr. Peterson is currently suing "Rev." Jackson for -- among other charges -- assault and battery, as he was also physically attacked.) "I think you can be an honest person and lie about any number of things." --Self-described 'unbiased broker of events,' and CBS anchorman, Dan Rather, when asked in an interview: "Do you think Clinton is an honest man?" "Take the initiative .. whether the issue is promiscuity or recruiting the straight. ... Ten percent is not enough! Recruit, recruit, recruit!" --Lesbian activist, Donna Minkowitz, writing in the paper, The Advocate, urging her comrades to recruit more of America's young into the homosexual "lifestyle." "We must cure Americans of their opposition [to the perversion of homosexuality] whether they like it or not." --"Gay" authors M. Kirk & H. Madsen in their book After the Ball ... "We shall sodomize your sons, emblems of your feeble masculinity, of your shallow dreams and vulgar lies. ... Your sons shall become our minions and do our bidding. They will be recast in our image. They will come to crave and adore us." --A vision of the future presented by the Boston Gay Community News in February 1987 "Lenin was an apostle of world peace whose ideas have had a profound influence on the course of contemporary history. ... [and] his ideals ... are in line with the U. N. charter." --U. N. Secretary General U Thant in a speech given in 1970 "In order to stabilize world population, we must eliminate 350,000 people per day. It is a horrible thing to say, but it is just as bad not to say it." --Socialist oceanographer, the late Jacques Cousteau
"When you hear somebody doing it [criticizing the federal government], you ought to stand up and double up your fist and stick it in the sky and shout them down." I can just pictue it now... Adolf Clinton...
interesting quotes... I just found this rather amusing, too (not trying to start up anything... 0_o) "[A]s you know, these are open forums, you're able to come and listen to what I have to say." —George W. Bush, Washington, D.C., Oct. 28, 2003
Quote: "Fundamental, Bible-believing people do not have the right to indoctrinate their children in their religious beliefs because we, the state, are preparing them for the year 2000, when America will be part of a one-world global society and their children will not fit in." --Former Democratic Congressman Peter Hoagland......does this sound familiar?? Communism anyone???? Suddenly the state owns your children?? That's terrible...
Stupidity does not discriminate by political platform.
Quote: "In South Africa we'd call it apartheid. In Nazi Germany we'd call it Fascism. Here [in the U.S.] we call it conservatism. These people are attacking the poor." --"Reverend" Jesse Jackson [who wears $3000 suits -- and spends hundreds of thousand of $ on his mistress as hush money for keeping quiet about the bastard he fathered -- while bemoaning the fate of the poor & preaching"Christian" morality" Quote: "Suck my dick, you stupid n1gger. Shut the fuck up, and get your black ass out of here, n1gger!" --"Reverend" Jesse Jackson and his gang of thugs to Black conservative J. L. Peterson, when he tried to speak at an L.A. Trade Bureau Forum meeting. (Mr. Peterson is currently suing "Rev." Jackson for -- among other charges -- assault and battery, as he was also physically attacked.) biggest hipocrit this world has ever seen.
Intelligence has nothing to do with political party.
Topic Title Ring of Evil
George Bush "If this were a dictatorship, it'd be a heck of a lot easier, just so long as I'm the dictator." —Washington, D.C., Dec. 19, 2000
cowmisfit Topic Title Ring of Evil Just incase you didn't notice, you're part of that ring. (Might be wrong, but you're still part of that ring.)
Quote: Intelligence has nothing to do with political party. You're an idiot.
Aprime cowmisfit Topic Title Ring of Evil Just incase you didn't notice, you're part of that ring. http://img137.exs.cx/img137/5497/untitled18is.jpg (Might be wrong, but you're still part of that ring.) Just incase you didn't notice, America has pretty much already shown how we feel about the UN, we will not let the scum in that group of nations stop us from doing what is right. ^^^ Hanging on my backpack.
That isn't the American flag. It would be Iceland.
You're not the leader of your country. You're not a Congressman. You're not a Woman. You're not a Senator. You're not America. You're just one, single, irrevelant, American. Just like I am one, single, irrelevant, Canadian. Now drop the Protest Warrior images, because they're pretty much as irrevelant as we both are. By the way, thanks Nodbugger.
Aprime You're not America. We are America. Popular Sovereignty Biznatch, do you understand it?
Ok, so you don't understand Popular Sovereignty. The power retained by the United States is the direct result of the people. The power ultimately is held by the people who use this power to elect representatives and dictate the direction the country goes in. We are America, America is we.
Cow is America, I am America, Doitle is America, SFE is America(It hurts soo much! jk Engi). We are all representative of the country for which we help build, and all of us care very much for it one way or another. So to say he isnt america, is to call him UnAmerican, and that will probably piss him off when he gets back in here . IF you want to be "irrelevant" to your country, thats your business.
It's a nice piccyture of the UN, i'll admit. Just remember, Cowmisfit, as the picture on your backpack tells, you helped create that. Calling it a "ring of evil" now... you telling me that America created a ring of evil? Neat. And let's continue the bushisms, since I have to agree that political affiliation has nothing to do with intelligence. Dubya "It's going to require numerous IRA agents." - George W. Bush on Gore's tax plan, Greensboro, N.C., Oct. 10, 2000
Fluffy Baby Kittens HA, let's see you try to turn that into some horrible attrocity that the US has done Dave.
ROFL!!!!! I HAVE MY NEW SIGGY QUOTE GENTLEMEN!!!!
AND LADY but lmfao at Bull......
Doitle Fluffy Baby Kittens HA, let's see you try to turn that into some horrible attrocity that the US has done Dave. Genetic experiments done to improve the fluffyness of baby kittens. Not all of them humane, not all of them successful. There
DaveGMM It's a nice piccyture of the UN, i'll admit. Just remember, Cowmisfit, as the picture on your backpack tells, you helped create that. Calling it a "ring of evil" now... you telling me that America created a ring of evil? Neat. And let's continue the bushisms, since I have to agree that political affiliation has nothing to do with intelligence. Dubya "It's going to require numerous IRA agents." - George W. Bush on Gore's tax plan, Greensboro, N.C., Oct. 10, 2000 The UN Did its job when we created it, it was a group of nations trying to secure the safty of the world and its issues. Now it is not, its not the United States Fault its this way. Its because of people like you around the world who choose to elect idiots such as Jock Chiraq (spelt wrong) The leader of Spain (blank on that name at the moment) ect.
It's funny how you give the U.N. a double standard when you're trying to put America on a pedistal. Typical, but still funny. Keep it up, blind patriot!
its funny how you do the opposite, keep it up Canadien!
Except no one is defending the illegal activity of the other member states. Only the illegal acitivity of America. Nice try though.
Javaxcx It's funny how you give the U.N. a double standard when you're trying to put America on a pedistal. Typical, but still funny. Keep it up, blind patriot! You stupid canadian. I pitty you.
Wow! Now I appear to have triple nationality.. French, Spanish AND British... Neato. Oh, and I missed the referance on the Fluffy Kittens, but I'm sure it was funny to people other than me. I choose not to laugh. Face it - if you're going to claim now that the UN is doing something wrong (namely not giving you a right to go and invade a sovereignty) then it's partly your fault. And ours. And all the other nations in the UN. But hey, I think the UN, despite all the hypocrisy and backpeddling (etc), does a deacent job. Who else has the guts to stand up to America? Besides France.
So... it's stupid to point out your increasing amount of ignorance AND arrogence? Why?
Because that would mean you upstage the incredibly witty person who has to rely on sites like protestwarrior to argue his non existant points. Duh.
DaveGMM Wow! Now I appear to have triple nationality.. French, Spanish AND British... Your one dumbass little kid. Your comprehension skills are that of a 2 year old. I never said you had 3 nations. 1800-LEARN-TO-READ
Quote: 1800-LEARN-TO-READ That's more than seven digits .
S'fair enough, you did say around the world. I was just seeing if I could get a rise out of you, and lo and behold.. Oh, and I can't let this one by. Some moron Your comprehension skills are that of a 2 year old. Quote: I never said you had 3 nations. Neither did I. Look, if you're going to come to the pedantry level, I'm going to win every time. I don't have three nations. What you meant to say was nationalities. Oh, and I belive i'm older than you. You can ad hominem at me about age all you like, it'll fall on deaf ears from this point on.
DaveGMM S'fair enough, you did say around the world. I was just seeing if I could get a rise out of you, and lo and behold.. Oh, and I can't let this one by. Some moron Your comprehension skills are that of a 2 year old. Quote: I never said you had 3 nations. Neither did I. Look, if you're going to come to the pedantry level, I'm going to win every time. I don't have three nations. What you meant to say was nationalities. Oh, and I belive i'm older than you. You can ad hominem at me about age all you like, it'll fall on deaf ears from this point on. Correct me if I'm wrong but your around 14 mabey 15 years old?
DaveGMM Who else has the guts to stand up to America? Besides France. We'd invade France if it weren't for the massively large amount of French people there. (They know that, so they know we won't invade them. ) At least, that's the general feeling in my area. I'm joking there...
The fluffy kitty remark was because no matter what we say you turn it against us. I could say the US has alot of soil, and that would somehow be historically linked... Here, you'd be like "You mean all that INDIAN SOIL that you viciously stole from them because they weren't able to defend themselves? Way to show your not evil". I say we have a lot of lint, we put poor clothing manufacturers overseas out of work. I say there is air here, we're STEALING it from the rightful owners, the animals.
cowmisfit Its because of people like you around the world who choose to elect idiots such as Jock Chiraq (spelt wrong) The leader of Spain (blank on that name at the moment) ect. Do you mean Jacque Chiraq....and no he's the president of France actually. And no regardless of what you think Zach, America Did not create the United Nations, they simply became a part of it like every other nation that is a member of it. EDIT:doilte those people who think along those lines, are either completely biased and you'll never change their minds so just ignore them. Or they are trying to get a rise outta you so just ignore them. If you love your country and show pride in that, i say great for...I love my country too but im still leaving it in March.
Doitle The fluffy kitty remark was because no matter what we say you turn it against us. I could say the US has alot of soil, and that would somehow be historically linked... Here, you'd be like "You mean all that INDIAN SOIL that you viciously stole from them because they weren't able to defend themselves? Way to show your not evil". I say we have a lot of lint, we put poor clothing manufacturers overseas out of work. I say there is air here, we're STEALING it from the rightful owners, the animals. Umm... Warranto was joking, Doitle. No one (genuinely) turned anything against you.
DaveGMM It's a nice piccyture of the UN, i'll admit. Just remember, Cowmisfit, as the picture on your backpack tells, you helped create that. Calling it a "ring of evil" now... you telling me that America created a ring of evil? Neat. That is what I'm talking about Java. Tell me he's joking. I'm sure he'll tell you he wasn't.
cowmisfit Correct me if I'm wrong but your around 14 mabey 15 years old? You're wrong. How the fuck can you hope to argue decently when all you do is base your arguments (such as they are) on age?! The mind boggles. And Doitle, I don't turn everything around. Just the bits that are true :rolleyes:
Doitle That is what I'm talking about Java. Tell me he's joking. I'm sure he'll tell you he wasn't. There is a consequential difference between attacking America on any ground you lay out and pointing out that which has been deemed evil BY an American was also partially made by America. (Which, granted, he didn't directly say, but most likely did in fact mean). If he were to attack you on the grounds of happy fluffy kittens, he probably doesn't have a case. But the fact remains that America DID help create the UN. If a French person said the same thing, it is only appropriate to do the same thing. "France helped to create it". You have GOT to stop seeing hate when there is simply factual evidence, because as far as I am aware, DaveGMM does not hate America.
Javacx Except no one is defending the illegal activity of the other member states. Only the illegal acitivity of America. Nice try though. Yes but the only party in legal question with you is the United States. Maybe if you questioned the United Nations as much as you question the States, I could respect your statement towards Cowmisfit more. However, you dont and that shows your bias.
I don't need to question the U.N. I am fully aware that illegal activities have been done regarding the oil-for-food programme and I support fully any and all forms of punishment regarding it. But do you see anyone defending any of the nations who are in question with that programme? In fact, do you see anyone defending any other nation's actions except America? Since America is in the wrong, I intend to correct you on your misinformation, and if that comes off as bias, I suggest you start broadening your views to understand that I don't give a damn which country you come from. If you fuck up and believe you didn't, I will make you aware of it. It's why I don't support my current Liberal minority government, and attack any who try and defend those involved in the sponsership scandel.
Right, because there is not even a grey area when it comes to the Oil for Food Scandals, we have justifications for our actions and we still believe in them, even if you dont. And if protection means bending the rules of a flawed international being, then so be it.
DaveGMM cowmisfit Correct me if I'm wrong but your around 14 mabey 15 years old? You're wrong. How the fuck can you hope to argue decently when all you do is base your arguments (such as they are) on age?! The mind boggles. And Doitle, I don't turn everything around. Just the bits that are true :rolleyes: When did i say i based my arguments on age?? You a kid, i know that, i said your a dumbass kid. Thats not basing it on age. I could say Jake is a dumbass adult, but that doesn't mean i'm basing my opinon on age. ABut since you brought up your age, how old are you? 12?
You don't need to say you base your arguements on age calling. It's pretty clear that when you start going "You're simply a dumbass kid", you're not even looking at my words and just throwing away anything I say based on being younger than you (which you're still wrong about). My point is it's pot kettle black if you're younger than me and calling me a kid :rolleyes: Besides. I didn't bring up age. You did when you called me a kid.
Question: who the fuck cares? Both of you should get over this methinks.
=[DT =gbull=[L]=]Right, because there is not even a grey area when it comes to the Oil for Food Scandals, we have justifications for our actions and we still believe in them, even if you dont. And if protection means bending the rules of a flawed international being, then so be it. They could probably justify their actions as well, and most likely believe in them. Attacking Iraq had nothing to do with the protection of America, there was never any proof to the contrary.
Then those US fighter pilots that were shot at on a daily basis by AAA\SAM sites weren't US citizens? Stop derailing my fucking thread... Although what davegmm wrote is similar to the hateful quotes this thread is supposed to be about.
Aircraftkiller Then those US fighter pilots that were shot at on a daily basis by AAA\SAM sites weren't US citizens? Working in conjunction with Resolution 678 and 687, you forgot that. Of course they were American citizens, but they were working under U.N. juristiction; a restricted authority. So trying to pull a self-defence clause out of such an incident is flawed because it conflicts with article 51 of the charter. Quote: Stop derailing my fucking thread... Stop whining, please.
=[DT =gbull=[L]=]Right, because there is not even a grey area when it comes to the Oil for Food Scandals, Just like there is not one for the illegal invasion of Iraq. Quote: we have justifications for our actions and we still believe in them, even if you dont. And if protection means bending the rules of a flawed international being, then so be it. Then, by your logic, the nations involved with the scandel (might) have justifications for their actions. "Then so be it". You're pulling a double standard for America again. Try and figure it out, because I'm growing weary of trying to explain to you what it is you are actually saying in your posts.
Dont be stupid, human lives are worth more than money and so what they did is NOTHING like what we are doing. And those pilots are american citizens FIRST and UN soldiers SECOND. And if the UN doesnt like what we are doing, then they can kick us out. What....they...wont? surprise, too damn bad k thx.
Canada has no room to talk. You guys waited until the glorious year of 1982 to ask to be allowed to amend your constitution. Canada is not a country you want in charge of getting things done. And you have shown that you stick with it. I mean seriously. Do you think writing a letter of concern will fix everything?
warranto =[DT =gbull=[L]=]Right, because there is not even a grey area when it comes to the Oil for Food Scandals, we have justifications for our actions and we still believe in them, even if you dont. And if protection means bending the rules of a flawed international being, then so be it. They could probably justify their actions as well, and most likely believe in them. Attacking Iraq had nothing to do with the protection of America, there was never any proof to the contrary. And the same could be said if we attacked Afghanistan in October of 2001. You would be bitching and moaning saying Osama was a peace loving man who only wanted to be friends. Yet when an attack happens it is bushes fault, if he stops one. OMG!!!!! He is like EVIL!@!!!!
=[DT =gbull=[L]=]Dont be stupid, human lives are worth more than money and so what they did is NOTHING like what we are doing. The moral card has no leverage on the logic you have used. And while I agree with you that human lives are worth more than money, it does negate the validity of my comparison. Quote: And those pilots are american citizens FIRST and UN soldiers SECOND. While that might be true in the broader scheme, it is not true in context. They were American soldiers working for the U.N. and under the U.N.'s authority. This means they are bound to U.N. authority stipulations, just like every other Coalition soldier in first Gulf War-- including Article 51. Which is why the self-defence clause doesn't apply in that argument. Quote: And if the UN doesnt like what we are doing, then they can kick us out. Or better yet, you can pay your membership dues to date, which you still haven't done, and leave of your own accord.
Javacx Or better yet, you can pay your membership dues to date, which you still haven't done, and leave of your own accord. In a perfect world....
Nodbugger Canada has no room to talk. You guys waited until the glorious year of 1982 to ask to be allowed to amend your constitution. Canada is not a country you want in charge of getting things done. And you have shown that you stick with it. I mean seriously. Do you think writing a letter of concern will fix everything? What does this have to do with anything? Does 1+1 not equal 2 when it comes from a Canadian? Or are you just being bigotted because you don't like what you're reading?
Javaxcx =[DT =gbull=[L]=]Dont be stupid, human lives are worth more than money and so what they did is NOTHING like what we are doing. The moral card has no leverage on the logic you have used. And while I agree with you that human lives are worth more than money, it does negate the validity of my comparison. Quote: And those pilots are american citizens FIRST and UN soldiers SECOND. While that might be true in the broader scheme, it is not true in context. They were American soldiers working for the U.N. and under the U.N.'s authority. This means they are bound to U.N. authority stipulations, just like every other Coalition soldier in first Gulf War-- including Article 51. Which is why the self-defence clause doesn't apply in that argument. Quote: And if the UN doesnt like what we are doing, then they can kick us out. Or better yet, you can pay your membership dues to date, which you still haven't done, and leave of your own accord. Why do you keep saying such complete bull shit? It doesn't matter what the UN says. If someone in the American military does not like it they can tell the UN to fuck off. American soldiers only take orders from the president. If the president says blow the shit out of them they blow the shit out of them. If they get shot at they shoot back in self defense. If Iraq fucks with us we fuck with them. It doesn't matter if a few knuckle heads around the world don't like us. They can just deal with it. As for the money we owe. I think the many military operations and funds we have pumped into other countries puts the world in eternal debt to us.
Javaxcx Nodbugger Canada has no room to talk. You guys waited until the glorious year of 1982 to ask to be allowed to amend your constitution. Canada is not a country you want in charge of getting things done. And you have shown that you stick with it. I mean seriously. Do you think writing a letter of concern will fix everything? What does this have to do with anything? Does 1+1 not equal 2 when it comes from a Canadian? Or are you just being bigotted because you don't like what you're reading? It has to do with a lot of things. A farmers opinion on Nuclear fission is not valid because he has nothing to contribute. Canada's opinion on fixing the world is not valid because they are too scared to get these things for their own country. You are still a common wealth of England! That is just pitiful! If you think things can be solved in other ways please point them out. Until then stay in Canada and don't come out until you can offer a valid alternative to what we are doing. If you don't have anything constructive to say just shut the fuck up, no one wants to hear you bitching.
Not quite kid. Your president gets his LEGAL international authority from the U.N., not from your congress. The soldiers do as they are told, like good men and women. If their president orders them to do something illegal on the international field, they will still do it because it is an order. Stop trying to pin me against the Coalition soldiers when the problem is far from them and solely on the Coalition leaders. As for the money you owe, you're wrong again. The money for operations and foreign aid does not cover your membership fees. Just like it doesn't for Canada, or England, or France. Pay up.
Nodbugger Canada's opinion on fixing the world is not valid because they are too scared to get these things for their own country. You are still a common wealth of England! That is just pitiful! I suggest you learn what Confederation is and why Canada rightfully chose to stay in close alligance with England before you make such ignorant statements. Quote: If you think things can be solved in other ways please point them out. Oh really? And where would these alternatives be put into place? 3 years in the past? Good critical thinking there, champ. Quote: If you don't have anything constructive to say just shut the fuck up, no one wants to hear you bitching. Stop breaking the law. It prevents anarchy.
Javaxcx Not quite kid. Your president gets his LEGAL international authority from the U.N., not from your congress. The soldiers do as they are told, like good men and women. If their president orders them to do something illegal on the international field, they will still do it because it is an order. Stop trying to pin me against the Coalition soldiers when the problem is far from them and solely on the Coalition leaders. As for the money you owe, you're wrong again. The money for operations and foreign aid does not cover your membership fees. Just like it doesn't for Canada, or England, or France. Pay up. The United States does what it wants. It is that fucking simple. the UN violates the simplest of laws. We are a sovereign nation. As a sovereign nation no one can tell us what to do. If we tell the UN to shove we can do it. It doesn't matter. We threw out the league of nations we can do the same to the UN. They had their time and the idiots totally ruined what it was supposed to be about. It was simply a place where countries can talk. We can do that without the UN. The UN is just the womens bathroom for the world. We owe no money. It is the simple. Imagine if we never joined the UN. Between 1850 and 1950 there was 70 wars in Europe. How many where there after the US became a super power? 0. Really tells you something doesn't it? We keep the world in line and the things we have given to the world far outweigh and numerical value.
Javaxcx The money for operations and foreign aid does not cover your membership fees. Just like it doesn't for Canada, or England, or France. Pay up. How about we just take it out of their parking tickets and call it even. Either that or just call Ted and all his buddies, he'll pony up for the "good" cause again, I'm sure.
Javaxcx Nodbugger Canada's opinion on fixing the world is not valid because they are too scared to get these things for their own country. You are still a common wealth of England! That is just pitiful! I suggest you learn what Confederation is and why Canada rightfully chose to stay in close alligance with England before you make such ignorant statements. Quote: If you think things can be solved in other ways please point them out. Oh really? And where would these alternatives be put into place? 3 years in the past? Good critical thinking there, champ. Quote: If you don't have anything constructive to say just shut the fuck up, no one wants to hear you bitching. Stop breaking the law. It prevents anarchy. America had a confederation, it sucked and we got rid of it. I'm asking you for these. Since it is quite obvious we cannot change anything you no longer have anything to say. except complain about every thing we do. We haven't broken any law.
Nodbugger The United States does what it wants. Yup, whether you break the law or not. Which you did, by the way. Quote: the UN violates the simplest of laws. We are a sovereign nation. Laws you helped make AND agreed to. I guess you just owned yourself there. Quote: We owe no money. Yes you do.
Javaxcx As for the money you owe, you're wrong again. The money for operations and foreign aid does not cover your membership fees. Just like it doesn't for Canada, or England, or France. Pay up. The United States funds a fifth of the United Nations, if not more, so when did our "membership fee" become more than that? Is 20% of all UN funds not enough for you? It's too much for me. It's all a waste of money on an obsolete organization that accomplishes absolutely nothing in today's day and age. It's time for us to say, "Screw the UN," take the 20% of all UN funds that we provide and leave.
Nodbugger We owe no money. It is the simple. Imagine if we never joined the UN. Between 1850 and 1950 there was 70 wars in Europe. How many where there after the US became a super power? 0. LOL.
Nodbugger I'm asking you for these. Since it is quite obvious we cannot change anything you no longer have anything to say. except complain about every thing we do. That's a logical fallacy, you know. "WAT R UR ALTERNTIAVE O BTW WE CANT DO NE THING" Quote: We haven't broken any law. You violated international law. Your argument for this position is flaunt with holes and ignorance. Prove your point by refuting the facts that: a) You signed the charter agreeing to it. (Maybe you should actually READ the charter too) b) You are bound to the resolutions that your nation also ratified. Note the "sovreignty" clauses in 686 to 1441 (relevant resolutions only). Stop living in a bubble and understand America is worth as much as Cape Verde (not financially, of course) on the international field in that an American citizen is not above the law any more than an Iranian is.
Javaxcx Nodbugger The United States does what it wants. Yup, whether you break the law or not. Which you did, by the way. Quote: the UN violates the simplest of laws. We are a sovereign nation. Laws you helped make AND agreed to. I guess you just owned yourself there. Quote: We owe no money. Yes you do. A basic principle we keep in the US is that if someone is unhappy with a contract they have the ability to amend that said contract. [b]By KOFI ANNAN/b]
Then amend it and get out of the U.N. please.
hydra1945 Javaxcx As for the money you owe, you're wrong again. The money for operations and foreign aid does not cover your membership fees. Just like it doesn't for Canada, or England, or France. Pay up. The United States funds a fifth of the United Nations, if not more, so when did our "membership fee" become more than that? Is 20% of all UN funds not enough for you? It's too much for me. It's all a waste of money on an obsolete organization that accomplishes absolutely nothing in today's day and age. It's time for us to say, "Screw the UN," take the 20% of all UN funds that we provide and leave. Citizens of a country pump billions into the economy of a country.. with all that money being put towards good use, I guess we should be free from paying taxes. Great logic there. Here's a free hint. There has been no agreement with America and the UN to substitute its membership fees with any other sort of consideration. Therefore it does not matter if you single-handedly fund everything the UN does. There is no arrangement to defer those fees, so you pay them.
Nodbugger Javaxcx Nodbugger The United States does what it wants. Yup, whether you break the law or not. Which you did, by the way. Quote: the UN violates the simplest of laws. We are a sovereign nation. Laws you helped make AND agreed to. I guess you just owned yourself there. Quote: We owe no money. Yes you do. A basic principle we keep in the US is that if someone is unhappy with a contract they have the ability to amend that said contract. Not quite, or at least not the entire story. You can not amend a contract after it has been fulfilled. However, while you can attempt to amend a contract still in the process of being completed, you need the consent of all parties involved. If one party does not give that consent, the contract remains in its current form.
warranto Nodbugger Javaxcx Nodbugger The United States does what it wants. Yup, whether you break the law or not. Which you did, by the way. Quote: the UN violates the simplest of laws. We are a sovereign nation. Laws you helped make AND agreed to. I guess you just owned yourself there. Quote: We owe no money. Yes you do. A basic principle we keep in the US is that if someone is unhappy with a contract they have the ability to amend that said contract. Not quite, or at least not the entire story. You can not amend a contract after it has been fulfilled. However, while you can attempt to amend a contract still in the process of being completed, you need the consent of all parties involved. If one party does not give that consent, the contract remains in its current form. Tell the founding fathers that.
Nodbugger The United States does what it wants. It is that fucking simple. the UN violates the simplest of laws. We are a sovereign nation. As a sovereign nation no one can tell us what to do. If we tell the UN to shove we can do it. It doesn't matter. We threw out the league of nations we can do the same to the UN. They had their time and the idiots totally ruined what it was supposed to be about. It was simply a place where countries can talk. We can do that without the UN. The UN is just the womens bathroom for the world. We owe no money. It is the simple. Imagine if we never joined the UN. Between 1850 and 1950 there was 70 wars in Europe. How many where there after the US became a super power? 0. Really tells you something doesn't it? We keep the world in line and the things we have given to the world far outweigh and numerical value. This kid is my Hero. He says exactly what I think!
Nodbugger Tell the founding fathers that. Of course, what the founding fathers did has no dealings with todays law. Unless you wish to stage a revolution and disolve the current legal system (among other things) and establish your own. After all, thats what happens when you remove all ties from the parent country. Come on, I'd expect a better attempt to rebuttal what I posted. Actually, on second though, this is pretty much what I expected....
=[DT =gbull=[L]=] Nodbugger The United States does what it wants. It is that fucking simple. the UN violates the simplest of laws. We are a sovereign nation. As a sovereign nation no one can tell us what to do. If we tell the UN to shove we can do it. It doesn't matter. We threw out the league of nations we can do the same to the UN. They had their time and the idiots totally ruined what it was supposed to be about. It was simply a place where countries can talk. We can do that without the UN. The UN is just the womens bathroom for the world. We owe no money. It is the simple. Imagine if we never joined the UN. Between 1850 and 1950 there was 70 wars in Europe. How many where there after the US became a super power? 0. Really tells you something doesn't it? We keep the world in line and the things we have given to the world far outweigh and numerical value. This kid is my Hero. He says exactly what I think! Just because it may have a basis in reality does not make it the "right" thing. Heck, most organized crime can do what they want without fear from American law. That doesn't make them right though.
Not moral. Heck, it was morally right to go into Iraq and remove Saddam. I'm speaking on simple legalities, on a black and white "the-law-IS-this" level. That being said though, it's the particulars of a situation that deem it right (even though the law was still broken), or wrong.
Quote: If Iraq fucks with us we fuck with them Should read: Quote: If Iraq fucks with us we fuck with them. If Iraq does not fuck with us we fuck with them. Nodbugger, you'll grow up to be a fine redneck. Go play a banjo.
IRON-FART Quote: If Iraq fucks with us we fuck with them Should read: Quote: If Iraq fucks with us we fuck with them. If Iraq does not fuck with us we fuck with them. Nodbugger, you'll grow up to be a fine redneck. Go play a banjo. Assuming I'm a kid....you are an idiot. I'm right you are wrong. no matter how much you bitch about it. Invading Iraq was the best thing to do in that situation.
IRON-FART Nodbugger, you'll grow up to be a fine redneck. Go play a banjo. Stereotypical Bigotry, thats right kids! its not just limited to Conservatives!
Quote: Assuming I'm a kid....you are an idiot. The only thing i'm assuming is that you have yet to grow up. Quote: Stereotypical Bigotry, thats right kids! its not just limited to Conservatives! No shit. It would be bigotry to say that it was.
Quote: You violated international law. And? Your point is? I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you telling us that we need to follow a law that other nations won't follow themselves? Or are you telling us that violating "law" that isn't even a law to begin with, has any relevance to the United States attacking Iraq? How about you prove why we should care, instead of harping on the same point that you're unable to back up... Better yet, find a real argument because no one here besides warranto is taking your "legal" argument seriously, sans Nodbugger but we all know he isn't the shiniest penny of the bunch. And don't tell me to stop whining while you continue to whine about "international law" being broken, you contradictive man.
Aircraftkiller Quote: You violated international law. And? Your point is? I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you telling us that we need to follow a law that other nations won't follow themselves? Or are you telling us that violating "law" that isn't even a law to begin with, has any relevance to the United States attacking Iraq? How about you prove why we should care, instead of harping on the same point that you're unable to back up... Better yet, find a real argument because no one here besides warranto is taking your "legal" argument seriously, sans Nodbugger but we all know he isn't the shiniest penny of the bunch. And don't tell me to stop whining while you continue to whine about "international law" being broken, you contradictive man. It doesn't matter if no one else follows the law, the law is still there. The ineffectiveness of it posses no relvance to it being there, and whether or not it is broken. No one cares if you care or not. It poses no relevance to the issue of a law being broken, or not. The facts are all that are important, not personal feelings. If personal feelings dictated the legal system we would be in a lot of trouble because someone could legally act a way simply because they "felt like it". Telling someone to whine, then whineing yourself has no bearing on the contradiction of anything. He didn't provide an arguement the disregards a previous statement. Edit: I still don't quite get what you infer by the arguement not being taken seriously without nodbugger.
Oh, we've had this agument before - how about I say that breaking the law is still breaking the law even if you do not get punished for doing the act, and we move on from that dead horse.
Quote: It doesn't matter if no one else follows the law, the law is still there. The ineffectiveness of it posses no relvance to it being there, and whether or not it is broken. So what your argument now boils down to is that even if the law is useless, unable to be enforced, and not something you have to follow... Why is it a law, and why are you harping about it? Again, your argument has no substance to it. If you don't enforce a law and make it useful, it won't be credible. It's the same logic behind copyright infringement. And don't say "no one cares" because you obviously do. Our care, or lack thereof, of the "international law" you so diligently subscribe to shows that you're upset that we refuse to abide by something that can't be enforced. If the UN calls it illegal, then they'll do something about it. But until then I kindly invite both you and Java to shut the fuck up about it and actually argue a real point. What we're trying to say is that if a law can't be enforced, it wouldn't matter anyway because there'd be no reason to have the law to begin with... EVEN IF we were fucking held to this "international law" you keep bitching about. But since we obviously aren't, you telling us about that is like SuperFlyingFungalInfection telling us that Germany can imprison Donald Rumsfeld for war crimes. Does it matter if they can? Yes, and only if he goes to Germany. Does it matter if something "can" be done about the supposed violation of "international law"? Yes, and only if the nations that created it plan to do something about it. Otherwise it's invalid and holds no ground. And yes, he contradicted himself. He tells someone not to whine, but whines anyway. That is a contradiction.
Aircraftkiller And? Your point is? I don't understand what you're trying to say. Are you telling us that we need to follow a law that other nations won't follow themselves? It's pretty obvious you don't understand. I am saying that the law is the law whether it is enforced or not. Those other nations are just as guilty as you are of violating international law and they should be punished. So I've got a question for you, why isn't America pressing for legal action to be taken against the French, German, and Russian governments then? Using your logic, they didn't even break the law anyway, because you're still pertaining to this: Quote: Or are you telling us that violating "law" that isn't even a law to begin with, has any relevance to the United States attacking Iraq? I'm not going to waste my time acquiring the links and proofs I provided for you in another thread. Seeing how you obviously didn't even read them, why should I cater to your laziness? Quote: How about you prove why we should care, Because it is a hypocrisy to defend the concept of justice so sternly while knowingly creating an injustic; you know, breaking a law yourself? Quote: instead of harping on the same point that you're unable to back up... You mean that you can't refute, because you haven't. In fact, in just about every instance, you've undergone an otherwise hilarious transition of defending your legal right through the U.N. resolutions to attacking the validity of your own proofs upon finding out that your original proofs were flawed. I suggest you stop grasping at straws. Quote: sans Nodbugger but we all know he isn't the shiniest penny of the bunch. I agree. Quote: And don't tell me to stop whining while you continue to whine about "international law" being broken, you contradictive man. I didn't come into the thread out of the blue and scream ILGAL!!!111111 I replied to the idiocy of another person, one thing lead to another and we are back at the forefront of this same argument. So I didn't whine.
AirCraftKiller So what your argument now boils down to is that even if the law is useless, unable to be enforced, and not something you have to follow... Why is it a law, and why are you harping about it? Javaxcx It's pretty obvious you don't understand. I am saying that the law is the law whether it is enforced or not. Those other nations are just as guilty as you are of violating international law and they should be punished. I think its pretty obvious he does understand, methinks its you who needs to grasp the concept.
First of all, you say that everyone should be punished who was involved in the Oil For Palaces scandal... and yet the US should also be punished for going to war with Iraq. NEVERMIND that IF France, Germany, Russia, and others were NOT being bribed by Saddam, they wouldn't have opposed the military action in the first place and would have, in fact, authorized the war whole-heartedly. Furthermore, for a contract to be contested, there needs to be a court of law that can make the determination of whether or not the contract was breached. Considering there was NO international court when the UN Charter was adopted, how can you even call the Charter a legally-binding contract? Furthermore, considering the US doesn't and hasn't agreed to recognize the "new" International Criminal Court, how can they in turn be held in violations of the laws that said court is supposed to uphold? Basically, you spout the words "International Law" while never providing evidence of some "Planet Earth Statutes" or any such documentation of the existence of International Laws.
Aircraftkiller Quote: It doesn't matter if no one else follows the law, the law is still there. The ineffectiveness of it posses no relvance to it being there, and whether or not it is broken. So what your argument now boils down to is that even if the law is useless, unable to be enforced, and not something you have to follow... Why is it a law, and why are you harping about it? Again, your argument has no substance to it. If you don't enforce a law and make it useful, it won't be credible. It's the same logic behind copyright infringement. And don't say "no one cares" because you obviously do. Our care, or lack thereof, of the "international law" you so diligently subscribe to shows that you're upset that we refuse to abide by something that can't be enforced. If the UN calls it illegal, then they'll do something about it. But until then I kindly invite both you and Java to shut the fuck up about it and actually argue a real point. What we're trying to say is that if a law can't be enforced, it wouldn't matter anyway because there'd be no reason to have the law to begin with... EVEN IF we were fucking held to this "international law" you keep bitching about. But since we obviously aren't, you telling us about that is like SuperFlyingFungalInfection telling us that Germany can imprison Donald Rumsfeld for war crimes. Does it matter if they can? Yes, and only if he goes to Germany. Does it matter if something "can" be done about the supposed violation of "international law"? Yes, and only if the nations that created it plan to do something about it. Otherwise it's invalid and holds no ground. And yes, he contradicted himself. He tells someone not to whine, but whines anyway. That is a contradiction. The law may be uneforced. useless, whatever. It doesn't matter. The law IS STILL there. A law not willing to be enforced does not automatically invalidate it. In order for a law to be "no more", it must be recinded by the government body that brought it into existance. Point in context: Supposedly In Oblong, Illinois, it's punishable by law to make love while hunting or fishing on your wedding day. I ca't vouce for the validity of this, but the point is the same. If this is done, the law has been broken. It may not be enfoced, but the law IS STILL there until the government removes it. Nodbugger has it right. UN Laws = Jaywalking. But guess what? Jaywalking is still breaking the law even if it won't be enforced. I AM NOT saying that America should/will/is going to be punished. All I am saying is that the law is there, and that law has been broken. That's it. That's where the point stops. And no, a contradiction is expressing two opposing view points. NOT saying one thing is bad, then doing it yourself as there is no discrepancy with the facts (It's still "bad", regardless of who does it). That's called hypocrasy, not a contradicition.
Crimson NEVERMIND that IF France, Germany, Russia, and others were NOT being bribed by Saddam, they wouldn't have opposed the military action in the first place and would have, in fact, authorized the war whole-heartedly. Here's an observation; France publically led the front on the US and UK not going into Iraq, they stated it was a crime against humanity and spouted all kinds of UN, EC and worldwide BS....Yet these "defenders of humanity" "protectors of what's right and wrong"...did anyone see them do A THING for the victims of the Asian Tsunami? erm NO...so much for their morals....Mind you, im not supprised, the French test THEIR NUCLEAR weapons out in that part of the worlds so why would they give a shit. [/offtopic rant] Im not against the fact we went into Iraq....Saddam needed removing. Im against the fact that we are still in there. I myself (once having been in the British Military) have friends still over there and have had friends wounded while over there, it's not nice to turn on the T.V every morning thinking you may see a face you know that died before their time fighting for some big-eared moron's personal agenda (by that i mean Tony Blair).
Quote: The law may be uneforced. useless, whatever. It doesn't matter. The law IS STILL there. A law not willing to be enforced does not automatically invalidate it. In order for a law to be "no more", it must be recinded by the government body that brought it into existance. You know what though? So long as the law is just like the Germany clause, I and many Americans will continue to not care about following it and will continue to go to war when we see fit. So you can keep complaining and whining, because in the end... That's all you can do.
Kytten9 Here's an observation; France publically led the front on the US and UK not going into Iraq, they stated it was a crime against humanity and spouted all kinds of UN, EC and worldwide BS....Yet these "defenders of humanity" "protectors of what's right and wrong"...did anyone see them do A THING for the victims of the Asian Tsunami? erm NO...so much for their morals....Mind you, im not supprised, the French test THEIR NUCLEAR weapons out in that part of the worlds so why would they give a shit. [/offtopic rant] Here's another observation. You're totally fucking wrong. http://abcnews.go.com/International/print?id=382202 Quote: In an unusual step, the group's branches in France and Germany said they had 40 million and $27 million respectively Yup. The French don't care about the Tsunami appeal. I'll drink to that... oh wait. Get your facts right before you even think about going off on a misinformed rampage.
warranto The law may be uneforced. useless, whatever. It doesn't matter. The law IS STILL there. A law not willing to be enforced does not automatically invalidate it. Laws that are not enforced are not laws at all, they are just empty threats.
DaveGMM Kytten9 Here's an observation; France publically led the front on the US and UK not going into Iraq, they stated it was a crime against humanity and spouted all kinds of UN, EC and worldwide BS....Yet these "defenders of humanity" "protectors of what's right and wrong"...did anyone see them do A THING for the victims of the Asian Tsunami? erm NO...so much for their morals....Mind you, im not supprised, the French test THEIR NUCLEAR weapons out in that part of the worlds so why would they give a shit. [/offtopic rant] Here's another observation. You're totally fucking wrong. http://abcnews.go.com/International/print?id=382202 Quote: In an unusual step, the group's branches in France and Germany said they had 40 million and $27 million respectively Yup. The French don't care about the Tsunami appeal. I'll drink to that... oh wait. Get your facts right before you even think about going off on a misinformed rampage. MSF is a French CHARITY,..... they are also an international charity (i know because i support them..one of many i do) ...their funds came from the people...not the government....all international charities have more or less re-directed funds now, since most of them reached their targets. The BRC for example reached £50mil a few weeks ago. I was refering to the government (sorry for not making that clear). I have never heard or seen any mention on the news, in the papers or anywhere else for that matter that the French government pledged anything more than condolences (in the first few days) ...bearing in mind Britain only pledged £15mil until the public out bid them in 24 hours flat. My local newspaper commented on countries that had failed to offer much help for that incident...France was listed...considering they count themselves as a super power they surely should have been one of the first countries offering aid, but instead were guilt tripped into it. Lastly I have a friend from France (called Gylenne, who is in her 30's so hardly mis-informed about world affairs) and she even commented on "How disgusted" she was with her country for failing to do little or nothing for them...Should i tell her she is wrong. My point was; France (the government again!) preached to both the US and UK, made their own citizens believe they were a better country then the US and UK for NOT going into Iraq, yet did less than either country to aid people in real need...but by all standards, I guess you think im wrong there too. It's common knowledge the French test nuclear weapons in the south pacific, without world support, but since its classed as their territory I suppose they can do as they please.