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http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.main/index.html Guess who's new national past time is 'Voting'... That's right, Iraq's. Look how happy they are. I think this is panning out to be some pretty well instilled democracy. Hell their turn out was higher than ours.
Their turn out is higher, but it will affect them more directly. Makes sense. That insurgent threat seems a bit immature to me. I didn't agree with attacking Iraq, but thats done and over with, and Iraq needs these elections now.
And we see solid proof that the Iraqis are happy with what we've done... we're NOT "occupiers". The insurgents were so against democracy that they were willing to kill Iraqis who wanted it. Could this be any better proof that we did the right thing? Could this be any better proof that it's not the Iraqis who are fighting back? Could this be any better proof of the huge progress going on in that nation?
I just hope their military will be able to handle this before I'm eligible for the draft.
Panther I just hope their military will be able to handle this before I'm eligible for the draft. There will be NO DRAFT. And if there is you don't bitch you go and serve your nation as you've been asked too, not oMG LIK I HOPE I DON"T HAVE TO GO!!!
cowmisfit Panther I just hope their military will be able to handle this before I'm eligible for the draft. There will be NO DRAFT. And if there is you don't bitch you go and serve your nation as you've been asked too, not oMG LIK I HOPE I DON"T HAVE TO GO!!! And then you present your sick note from mommy saying that you can't be going into any warzones because of your chronic allergy to anything dangerous. Although we've been through that little discussion before. We'll see if the elections benefit Iraq soon, at the moment it's still all up in the air. But hey, can't blame them for trying - it's not like they can do anything else there with the Coalition getting them to vote.
DaveGMM cowmisfit Panther I just hope their military will be able to handle this before I'm eligible for the draft. There will be NO DRAFT. And if there is you don't bitch you go and serve your nation as you've been asked too, not oMG LIK I HOPE I DON"T HAVE TO GO!!! And then you present your sick note from mommy saying that you can't be going into any warzones because of your chronic allergy to anything dangerous. Zach has told me personally that he might join the miltary after High School. Moral of the sentence: Don't assume things.
On the one hand, what I said was an in-joke. On the other hand, he was telling people in the "Gay Bomb" thread that he'll be joining up with the military, far, far away from any action. So once again I say that he's got quite the attitude for all these soldiers in Iraq, risking their lives daily for whatever cause they're fighing for this time [having had WMDs, liberation, oil etc], but when he's asked, like many... "pro war kids" to go and put his own life on the line, it's "sure... as long as I'm at least 200 miles away from any fighting, anywhere". Not that what I say matters, not being American :rolleyes:
You assumed, now you're generalizing? What's next, blasphemy? Just because Zach had said something similar to that and everybody blew it out of proportion doesn't mean that I think the same way. Don't me in the same boat as him.
You should think serieous about these things if you want to join the army. I did that too before I dicided to go to the army, (not the american army!!!!! I'm dutch). I went to military testings one year ago, I didn't make it for the function I wanted to do. I was 16 at that time, and if I past the test. I had to wait untill the day I became 17 (I needed to be 17). I can do the tests again in about a month or so . I've been doing hell allot training. long distance running, weightraining, etc etc. 6 days a week. 1 day for resting and body "healing". I stopped computering because I dont have much time for it.
Funny thing that you should mention boats. I find it fascinating that people say Jesus was the son of God, since you know that Christianity was founded on a myth, right? As I'm sure you know that one Pope a while back killed an entire "race" of people who belived Jesus was a mortal, married father. Oh, and in case you think I'm just pandering to your call for blasphemy... Far as I can see, those two are true. I'll admit as of yet it's going on stuff I've read while on duty at school, so I can't paste links to it for your enjoyment, Give me a bit of time to research it, maybe I'll even post a thread on it. But I digress, since I can't miss a call to blashpheme. I'm not saying you shouldn't think seriously about the army. What I am saying is that Cowmisinformed tried to get out of his claim to join the army for reasons that were getting slowly and more slowly towards what I said. But if you end up in the army in 5 years, Cowmisfit, don't worry, you'll still get to see plenty of action in Iraq.
DaveGMM I find it fascinating that people say Jesus was the son of God, since you know that Christianity was founded on a myth, right? I'm a Christian. DaveGMM As I'm sure you know that one Pope a while back killed an entire "race" of people who belived Jesus was a mortal, married father. Yup, and by the way, I'm Protestant. DaveGMM I'm not saying you shouldn't think seriously about the army. What I am saying is that Cowmisinformed tried to get out of his claim to join the army for reasons that were getting slowly and more slowly towards what I said. But if you end up in the army in 5 years, Cowmisfit, don't worry, you'll still get to see plenty of action in Iraq. I was talking about the whole your opinion not mattering because you're not American.
I never said far far away from the action. I said that im not sure if i would be able to be on the front line troops as in walking around all the time because of my knee being torn out of its socket 4 times already and the fact i can't do any running or anything for more than an hour and half or so before it starts to hurt like hell. Fucking retard. I wish to be in the intellegence field, since im very good with computers but i will also fight if needed. Moron.
I looked through the place where you referred to you not wanting to be in the front line. None of what you mentioned above was mentioned.. let's not make the mistake of other people and add things to reinforce your point that never existed. Quote: I wish to be in the intellegence field, since im very good with computers but i will also fight if needed. Moron. It's too easy.
Why the fuck do you think that he needs to explain every intricate detail? Also, why the fuck must you always attack his intelligence? Is it because you don't have a point to make, so you use redderick to "burn" him? I figure that has to be it because you can't make any other fucking valid point.
First, he should at least explain detail that he used, not detail he inserts into something here and now to try and back up a point [Nice that he's started doing that.] Second, that's the first time I've directly insulted his intelligence, don't know where you got the "always" from. Thirdly, you're as guilty as anyone of simply attacking people without having a valid point. Lastly, since I don't know what "Redderick" means I'll assume you mean "Rhetoric". I didn't think my use of language was enough to give me an edge in battle... hmm. I'll have to use it more often.
Maybe he should give the full explanation as a courtesy, but just because he doesn't say it right away doesn't make it any less valid. Yes, I've used rhetoric without making a valid point, but that's usually rare. Oh no, I misspelled a word! Whatever shall I do? Now that you're going to *use* the English language in battle, don't think you'll be able to use it against me but once or twice.
Don't worry about it jake, he's just a immature brit that is a faggot (litterly, he likes boys) Dave, your one to talk when it comes to "inserting" things that never were said
cowmisfit litterly, he likes boys o....k....
Spoony cowmisfit litterly, he likes boys o....k.... My thoughts exactly. I don't really see Zach's point in posting that.
Didn't you know? Calling people homosexual over the Internet is the "cool" thing to do these days. :rolleyes:
No, but the thing is, Zach meant it. He thinks/knows that DaveGMM is gay. It's not the "OMG J00R GAY LOLOLOLOLOL!" I just don't see the point in him saying anything about it.
If he means it, it's still stupid because a person's sexuality is irrelevant on an Internet forum about video games.
I know that, but I was just pointing out that it wasn't him trying to "be cool" by calling him gay, although I still don't get why he did. He brought that up when I was talking to him on AIM. Sometimes I wonder about Zach.
I'd like to know how he came across this information. Tell Zach that he needs to learn that sexual orientation really doesn't matter.
who cares why he called him gay.. :rolleyes:
You would, if you read what j_ball said and discovered that Zach/cow actually thinks DaveGMM is gay for no discernible reason.
You guys took my happy little declaration of Iraqis are happy and turned it into a gay flame fest... And I mean literally gay. Now knock it off and be all Go Iraqis! Make a Bush Statue down town.
Yay! Bush Statue!
DaveGMM But hey, can't blame them for trying - it's not like they can do anything else there with the Coalition getting them to vote. May I have some news article, something that states that the Coalition was rousing Iraqis out of bed and making them vote at gunpoint? Or perhaps something that makes it appear as if the Iraqis voted against their will?
Quote: although I still don't get why he did Immaturity. I didn't know, I didn't care. He can't talk to someone on the same level, so he kicks them in the shin.
Quote: Originally posted by Crimson: Dave takes special offense to insults based on homosexuality, so figure out why. -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- quote: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why Crimson, since you were the one who encouraged me to actually be open about it, are you changing your opinion? Oh, i said it with out reason you say?? I am pretty sure of what that implys at least from my standpoint.
It doesn't mean you needed to bring it up. What would his sexual preference have to do with this discussion?
It has no bearing on the discussion. He just seems to want to hold on to his childish immaturity.
This is between cow and Dave, lets not stray from the topic please.
I've never made any big secret [in recent times] that I bat for both sides - Moreso, I find it extremely funny that he thinks that calling be a faggot; a) Affects me in any way [Come on man, I've got less hair than I've been called that over the years... and I have more hair on my head than Aircraftkiller] b) Thinks he can turn the whole forum against me by "revealing" that I'm bisexual. Newsflash, kiddo. This is something called the real world, where intelligent people [I know, I know, you don't mix with those sorts and don't know what they think] don't actually care. Hell, if it'd help you realise that there is no Taboo about it anymore, i'll put it in my signature. You did indeed say it without reason, cowmisinformed... no, wait. That's not true, I tell a lie. Your sole reason for saying that was to try and get me ostracised... oh, sorry. Small words - get me shunned... still too big, but nevermind - from the community. Guess you failed. (Next post I'll get back on topic).
Crimson DaveGMM But hey, can't blame them for trying - it's not like they can do anything else there with the Coalition getting them to vote. May I have some news article, something that states that the Coalition was rousing Iraqis out of bed and making them vote at gunpoint? Or perhaps something that makes it appear as if the Iraqis voted against their will? I didn't mean that - I realise that it can be taken that way, but you've known me the best part of two years - much as I don't agree with the coalition's reason, I know they aren't putting guns to their heads and forcing them to vote for Allawi. I think it's very much a "vote now for democrazy or forever hold your peace". All credit to them, they did. 60% turnout or something? That's amazing, when the turnout for OUR General Election is predicted at less than 50%.
DaveGMM I've never made any big secret [in recent times] that I bat for both sides - Moreso, I find it extremely funny that he thinks that calling be a faggot; a) Affects me in any way [Come on man, I've got less hair than I've been called that over the years... and I have more hair on my head than Aircraftkiller] b) Thinks he can turn the whole forum against me by "revealing" that I'm bisexual. Newsflash, kiddo. This is something called the real world, where intelligent people [I know, I know, you don't mix with those sorts and don't know what they think] don't actually care. Hell, if it'd help you realise that there is no Taboo about it anymore, i'll put it in my signature. You did indeed say it without reason, cowmisinformed... no, wait. That's not true, I tell a lie. Your sole reason for saying that was to try and get me ostracised... oh, sorry. Small words - get me shunned... still too big, but nevermind - from the community. Guess you failed. (Next post I'll get back on topic). A) Was it a comment made of immaturity ?? Sure I'll give you that one B) Was it made to turn the entire forum against you?? Nope, not in any way shape or form, i just hate gay people and belive they will all burn in hell. I rest my case, no need to waist my time arguing with people who don't understand simple concepts such as saving millions of innocent people.
By killing 100'000 civilians? Shure, go you. And as for your little "burn in hell remark", doesn't the Bible teach you to "Lov they neighbour"? Or are you just Christian when it suits?
DaveGMM By killing 100'000 civilians? Shure, go you. And as for your little "burn in hell remark", doesn't the Bible teach you to "Lov they neighbour"? Or are you just Christian when it suits? Im not a religious person. But theres one thing i know it does say and thats that Homosexuals / Bi-sexuals WILL burn in hell for the rest of time. Lov thy neighbour? I think thats a term you took wrong when you decided you liked to bat both ways. It means love your neigboors however if they do soemthing wrong, and commited a serious sin such as murder someone, or have gay sex with guys (aka if you've actually DONE this , you've condemed yourself to hell, sleep tight) then well, that term flys out the window as far as im concerned. Somone like yourself though would take that ot the limit and say something along the lines of i dunno "Lets hug our enemy that has killed thousands of people around the globe for years, lets try and be PEACEFUL, lets show them our SOFT SIDE, because you know what the bible says, "love thy neigbour" " killed 100,000 citiziens?? To save millions more yes. If you wern't such a fucktard and could relize the fact that the reason so many citizens in Iraq or Afgansitan for example have died is because the enemy IS IN THERE WITH THE INNOCENT, THEY PURPOULY GO TO PLACES WERE THEY KNOW IF WE ATTACK WE WILL KILL CITIZENS / PISS PEOPLE OFF SUCH AS MOSQ AND CITY NEIGBOOR HOODS. J
cowmisfit Lov thy neighbour? I think thats a term you took wrong when you decided you liked to bat both ways. It means love your neigboors however if they do soemthing wrong, and commited a serious sin such as murder someone, or have gay sex with guys then well, that term flys out the window as far as im concerned. "Love thy neighbour" is not meant to be conditional. God asks that you at least try in lieu of circumstance.
Javaxcx cowmisfit Lov thy neighbour? I think thats a term you took wrong when you decided you liked to bat both ways. It means love your neigboors however if they do soemthing wrong, and commited a serious sin such as murder someone, or have gay sex with guys then well, that term flys out the window as far as im concerned. "Love thy neighbour" is not meant to be conditional. God asks that you at least try in lieu of circumstance. I love the bible, its the one thing that no one interperts (spelt wrong) quite the same and you can't say im wrong. Mabey in your little fantasy world were everyone follows the rules and people dont' die, but in reality we like to say if you are a bad person we don't have to love you. Aka it is conditional. If someone came in and raped / killed your entire family , lets say it was GMM taht did this since he can rape all of them, would you hate them?? Or would you sasy "oh nos i forgive him it ssays in bible its nonconditional1111"
I don't make the effort to hate anyone regardless of cirmcumstances. Unlike you, obviously. Remember, the Bible doesn't say "hate thy neighbour".
With the attitude of "We'll kill 100'000 innocents to save millions", you're certainly going to be able to serve in Iraq after all, Nodbugger... I mean, Cowmisinformed [Java ]. You're creating more and more terrorists that way. And as for your views on how I chose to lead my life, I couldn't care less. Oh, I can't lest this one go. Quote: But theres one thing i know it does say and thats that Homosexuals / Bi-sexuals WILL burn in hell for the rest of time. Since we know you're well known as being an expert in looking things up to support your tirades, let's see the verse of the bible that says this.
Javaxcx I don't make the effort to hate anyone regardless of cirmcumstances. Unlike you, obviously. Remember, the Bible doesn't say "hate thy neighbour". Once again you can't come back with a logical response so you be a smartass. I've got an idea. Get a video camera (because i'd deffinitly like to see this) and go tell all of your freinds and family that you would love anyone who raped / killed all of them because you think its soooo wrong to hate and hate is bad 11111. Tell them. See what they say to you, enless of course they are all like you , then i sugest you all getting into a bus and driving off a cliff.
Quote: Im not a religious person. But theres one thing i know it does say and thats that Homosexuals / Bi-sexuals WILL burn in hell for the rest of time. RED ALERT: Contradiction zone. Aethist who believes in hell. Thats sounds like something I'd expect a devout Christian to say. Do you know why (you think) they would burn in hell? Or do you just say that because you don't like gays? Answer that directly please, I dont want to deal with some bullshit vague answer.
cowmisfit I've got an idea. Get a video camera (because i'd deffinitly like to see this) and go tell all of your freinds and family that you would love anyone who raped / killed all of them because you think its soooo wrong to hate and hate is bad 11111. Tell them. See what they say to you, enless of course they are all like you , then i sugest you all getting into a bus and driving off a cliff. Jesus wouldn't hate anyone regardless of their misdeeds. I find Jesus to be someone that I would like to be like, so I will do my best to act like him.
IRON-FART Quote: Im not a religious person. But theres one thing i know it does say and thats that Homosexuals / Bi-sexuals WILL burn in hell for the rest of time. RED ALERT: Contradiction zone. Aethist who believes in hell. Thats sounds like something I'd expect a devout Christian to say. Do you know why (you think) they would burn in hell? Or do you just say that because you don't like gays? Answer that directly please, I dont want to deal with some bullshit vague answer. Umm. did i say i was Aethist?? Find that in the response, find it i dare you. I said IM NOT RELIGIOUS AS IN I DON'T STUDY THE BIBLE I DON'T GO TO CHURCH HOWEVER I AM A CHIRSTIAN. ITS NOT THAT FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND. Why would they burn in hell?? Well, i'd guess its because they are gay? they have sexual relations with that of the same sex, and it says in the bible thats a no no?
Javaxcx cowmisfit I've got an idea. Get a video camera (because i'd deffinitly like to see this) and go tell all of your freinds and family that you would love anyone who raped / killed all of them because you think its soooo wrong to hate and hate is bad 11111. Tell them. See what they say to you, enless of course they are all like you , then i sugest you all getting into a bus and driving off a cliff. Jesus wouldn't hate anyone regardless of their misdeeds. I find Jesus to be someone that I would like to be like, so I will do my best to act like him. ERrrrr, thats one i can't really say im against. YOu mean well, your just mis-guided in what ever far far far FAR FAR out tehre environment you've been raised in. Wow, i can't even fathem were crap like that comes from.
So you would call the father (who was also a pastor, I believe) of one of the murdered children in Columbine misguided because he chose to act like Jesus and not hate the two boys responsable for his child's death? Coming from a Christian, to say that following (or the desire to follow to the best of one's ability) the teachings of the Bible is misguided is awfully... moronic?
cowmisfit Umm. did i say i was Aethist?? Find that in the response, find it i dare you. I said IM NOT RELIGIOUS AS IN I DON'T STUDY THE BIBLE I DON'T GO TO CHURCH HOWEVER I AM A CHIRSTIAN. ITS NOT THAT FUCKING HARD TO UNDERSTAND. Why would they burn in hell?? Well, i'd guess its because they are gay? they have sexual relations with that of the same sex, and it says in the bible thats a no no? Do you have a habit of selective ignorance? Just ignore my post and reply only to points you have no hope of understanding? Suppose it helps me, you've reinforced two of MY points: I Or are you just Christian when it suits? You IM NOT RELIGIOUS AS IN I DON'T STUDY THE BIBLE I DON'T GO TO CHURCH HOWEVER I AM A CHIRSTIAN. I Since we know you're well known as being an expert in looking things up to support your tirades, let's see the verse of the bible that says this. You Why would they burn in hell?? Well, i'd guess its because they are gay? they have sexual relations with that of the same sex, and it says in the bible thats a no no? QED.
DAVY CAN TAKE THINGS OUT OF CONTEXT, SOMEONE QUICK GET HIM A GOLD MEDAL.
Javaxcx So you would call the father (who was also a pastor, I believe) of one of the murdered children in Columbine misguided because he chose to act like Jesus and not hate the two boys responsable for his child's death? Coming from a Christian, to say that following (or the desire to follow to the best of one's ability) the teachings of the Bible is misguided is awfully... moronic? Its easy to say you don't feel hate, until it all gets built up insde of you and you explode hurting someone else or yourself. You can not make me possibly belive that this man does not have any hatred for those kids, I won't belive it.
Ad hominem again, eh? Sure, ignore my call for your for once to actually back up your points with evidence and attack me... Although that's what this thread is all about, isn't it? You "hating" me for no other reason than my choices. And I thought SFL could be pathetic.
cowmisfit I won't belive it. And this is why, whatever you say, we win.
Hate is entirely different then anger. Was he angry? Unquestionably. Does he hate them? I highly doubt it.
DaveGMM Ad hominem again, eh? Sure, ignore my call for your for once to actually back up your points with evidence and attack me... Although that's what this thread is all about, isn't it? You "hating" me for no other reason than my choices. And I thought SFL could be pathetic. Everyone wanted to see were i thought you were a homo from, i showed them. Backed it up. This thread wasn't supposed to be about it, but it is now because its clearly a more exciting topic to argue over. I hate you for no reason? Oh didn't i already said i hate your choice to be gay , i feel sorry for you becuase your a young kid and you've already condemed yourself to hell with a whole life ahead of you? O drats i am wrong.
DaveGMM cowmisfit I won't belive it. And this is why, whatever you say, we win. You've never won , you never will win, no one really wins because we each will never think we loose, its not gonna happen. Plus in the end, i win because your going to hell. Is winning an argument on the internet really that much of a success to you? it isn't to me.
cowmisfit Everyone wanted to see were i thought you were a homo from, i showed them. Backed it up. This thread wasn't supposed to be about it, but it is now because its clearly a more exciting topic to argue over. I hate you for no reason? Oh didn't i already said i hate your choice to be gay , i feel sorry for you becuase your a young kid and you've already condemed yourself to hell with a whole life ahead of you? O drats i am wrong. (Relevent point in bold) Again, I You "hating" me for no other reason than my choices. Can't you even READ? I pity you, Cowmisinformed, because you hate people for ... what? What do you get by going against your own religion's rules about hating people? Nothing. Hey, that's right. If I'm going against a religion that I don't belive in, you're just as guilty of going against it yourself. Around the circle of logic we go, where we stop... Who knows anymore?
DaveGMM cowmisfit Everyone wanted to see were i thought you were a homo from, i showed them. Backed it up. This thread wasn't supposed to be about it, but it is now because its clearly a more exciting topic to argue over. I hate you for no reason? Oh didn't i already said i hate your choice to be gay , i feel sorry for you becuase your a young kid and you've already condemed yourself to hell with a whole life ahead of you? O drats i am wrong. (Relevent point in bold) Again, I You "hating" me for no other reason than my choices. Can't you even READ? I pity you, Cowmisinformed, because you hate people for ... what? What do you get by going against your own religion's rules about hating people? Nothing. Hey, that's right. If I'm going against a religion that I don't belive in, you're just as guilty of going against it yourself. Around the circle of logic we go, where we stop... Who knows anymore? Any logical human being would not take "love thy neibour" as far as you have. Basicly what javass has said is that he condones any act of crime and wont' hate the person who did it. AKA a extreamly troubled person.
cowmisfit no one really wins because we each will never think we loose, its not gonna happen. Some random fucking idiot Plus in the end, i win because your going to hell. Come on to n00bstories IRC, I'd love to continue this in real time.
DaveGMM cowmisfit no one really wins because we each will never think we loose, its not gonna happen. Some random fucking idiot Plus in the end, i win because your going to hell. Come on to n00bstories IRC, I'd love to continue this in real time. THe first quite you mis-interpened was about yoru little theroy of winning and loosing internet arguments the second is my fact on how in the end, you loose at life. I won't be coming to NS irc because i'll tell you what will happen. A) I'll be banned by the slew of horrible ops aka auora dick head or carbon 12 and the fact that i shouldn't even be on the computer right now becasue im grounded, but got on anyway while parents are gone.
cowmisfit Any logical human being would not take "love thy neibour" as far as you have. Basicly what javass has said is that he condones any act of crime and wont' hate the person who did it. AKA a extreamly troubled person. You do not understand what "hate" means, nor do you understand what "condone" means. Just because I refuse to hate an entire minority of people, or people have been foolish enough to murder, or any varient thereof does NOT mean I condone that behavior. Justice for such actions does not require (or even necessitate) any form of hatred.
Don't you see your own illogic? First you say "no-one wins", then you say "But I do". You're freaking hilarious. And again, it's all well and good saying things after the fact, but try putting down on paper what you actually mean, instead of us trying to read your mind. Lose at life? Who are you to make that comment?
DaveGMM Don't you see your own illogic? First you say "no-one wins", then you say "But I do". You're freaking hilarious. And again, it's all well and good saying things after the fact, but try putting down on paper what you actually mean, instead of us trying to read your mind. Lose at life? Who are you to make that comment? The goal in life if you belive in anything at all is to get intot he higher place after death. However no matter what you do, you loose because of your actions you take in the bed. No no no, takethat back, YOUR hilarious, you and your taking everything out of context again, rofl roflr ofl you crack me up :rolleyes:
Well if you believe in the bible, then theres no point even arguing with you about why someone would burn in hell or not.
No, that's if you believe in Christianity. Buddists wouldn't say the object of life was, at death, to get to heaven. Nor would scientologists [that's kind of a religion ]. Stop assuming I'm Christian. I'm anything but, which is why all your spouting off about what I do at home is affecting me as much as throwing a wet teabag at a bear. And how am I taking things out of context? Explain your moronity.
Letivicus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Letivicus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Yeah, it's in The Bible. But, who honestly believes in every single line in The Bible? Not me.
I believe the Bible is infallable, so, of course, I believe in that passage.
xC4pRoX Letivicus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them. Letivicus 18:22 Thou shalt not lie with mankind, as with womankind: it is abomination. Yeah, it's in The Bible. But, who honestly believes in every single line in The Bible? Not me. Thats one part quite a bit of people do agree on though.
j_ball430 I believe the Bible is infallable, so, of course, I believe in that passage. I believe The Bible has been changed around by the church, so no, I don't believe in every single passage .
It's quite pathetic when he can't even do this himself and has to rely on more intelligent people do bother to do it for him. The Bible also says do not idolise any craven images, respect thy father and mother... oh, and that's one I know Cowmisfit doesn't do, since he said he was grounded earlier. So, in esscence, what you're telling me is that you don't do what the bible says either?! Here we go back to my "Christian when it suits" point.
DaveGMM It's quite pathetic when he can't even do this himself and has to rely on more intelligent people do bother to do it for him. The Bible also says do not idolise any craven images, respect thy father and mother... oh, and that's one I know Cowmisfit doesn't do, since he said he was grounded earlier. So, in esscence, what you're telling me is that you don't do what the bible says either?! Here we go back to my "Christian when it suits" point. Im not grounded for dis-respect, im grounded for getting a shitty grade in spanish and not a B in math.
Leviticus also condones slavery. Do you think that's right?
cowmisfit DaveGMM It's quite pathetic when he can't even do this himself and has to rely on more intelligent people do bother to do it for him. The Bible also says do not idolise any craven images, respect thy father and mother... oh, and that's one I know Cowmisfit doesn't do, since he said he was grounded earlier. So, in esscence, what you're telling me is that you don't do what the bible says either?! Here we go back to my "Christian when it suits" point. Im not grounded for dis-respect, im grounded for getting a shitty grade in spanish and not a B in math. Disovidience, believe it or not, is a form of disrespect .
Cow, quick question. Do you also believe anyone who has sex before marriage is also going to hell? My knowledge of the Bible admittedly isn't extensive, but I'm willing to bet it says more about this than two lines.
I believe there was a pope in the 1400's or 1500's that made this a taboo. I haven't read the bible (yet), so I wouldn't know if it was already in th bible.
Let me put this very simply: YOU DON'T GO TO HELL JUST BY SINNING. I'm not going to Hell and I sin all the time. Just as every other Christian on this planet. The only way you go to Hell is if you refuse to believe in the Bible and believe that God sent his only son to die on the cross for man's sins. Until you accept that and sincerely believe it, you ARE going to Hell. Other than that, if you do believe, you're guaranteed a spot in Heaven. No amount of good works can get you into Heaven. The Bible clearly states that. Also, it clearly states that you cannot get to Heaven without Christ in your life.
j_ball430 Let me put this very simply: YOU DON'T GO TO HELL JUST BY SINNING. I'm not going to Hell and I sin all the time. Just as every other Christian on this planet. The only way you go to Hell is if you refuse to believe in the Bible and believe that God sent his only son to die on the cross for man's sins. Until you accept that and sincerely believe it, you ARE going to Hell. Other than that, if you do believe, you're guaranteed a spot in Heaven. No amount of good works can get you into Heaven. The Bible clearly states that. Also, it clearly states that you cannot get to Heaven without Christ in your life. Sure, if you're a born-again Christian... But I'd be willing to bet that all the non Christians, athiests, agnostics, etc, will disagree with you. Does that still make it simple? The Bible also clearly states that faith without works is dead, so how does that all fit in? And if you're Catholic, hell, you don't even need to believe in Jesus.. when you sin, just buy an indulgence from that overflowing spiritual treasury and yer Good ta Go!
xC4pRoX Yeah, it's in The Bible. But, who honestly believes in every single line in The Bible? Not me. If you don't agree with everything in the bible, the best thing for you to do is sit down, revise it, cross out everything you don't like, and add in all the shit that you think should be there.. Then start your own religion and get some followers to give you some cash as a reward for teaching them your new enlightenment.. That's how all the rest came about, no reason not to do it again.. Maybe we can make it an MLM thing.
Doitle http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.main/index.html Guess who's new national past time is 'Voting'... That's right, Iraq's. Look how happy they are. I think this is panning out to be some pretty well instilled democracy. Hell their turn out was higher than ours. I'll blame you for causing this by using the word "hell" in your original post. Can't these people take their religion bickering to another thread suited to it? If it's discussion they want perhaps they'd find more on their topic of choice if it had its own place. I came into this thread to talk about Iraqi voting, as the title and first post suggest.
Yeah really chronojam... There are too many PAGES in this topic that don't have the word Iraq in them. We have Dave and Cowmisfit just bitching back and forth about every fucking facet of religion. Earlier we had Cowmisfit and Dave rambling back and forth at each other about bisexuality and immaturity... Why don't you two just go make a topic "DaveGMM and Cowmisfit hate each other". Then you two can go to town without being bothered by any pesky topics of any importance. I think this is an awesome step though with the voting and all. I think we've shown them that voting isn't so bad. They can choose however they want without having their family killed during the night. Maybe we'll get some good word of mouth and other countries will want us to come install them with Digital Cable. I mean democracy. lol Also did anyone here about the Primeminister of Georgia? He was killed. Found gassed to death in a friends flat. Isn't that surprising? I wonder if they'll figure out if it was an accident or a more sinister act cause Georgia is another big topic when it comes to terrorism.
Chronojam I came into this thread to talk about Iraqi voting, as the title and first post suggest.[/color] Sorry, When I read Apple Falafel, I figured we were talking about the Last Supper.
Doitle We have Dave and Cowmisfit just bitching back and forth about every fucking facet of religion. Earlier we had Cowmisfit and Dave rambling back and forth at each other about bisexuality and immaturity... Why don't you two just go make a topic "DaveGMM and Cowmisfit hate each other". might be fun
msgtpain j_ball430 Let me put this very simply: YOU DON'T GO TO HELL JUST BY SINNING. I'm not going to Hell and I sin all the time. Just as every other Christian on this planet. The only way you go to Hell is if you refuse to believe in the Bible and believe that God sent his only son to die on the cross for man's sins. Until you accept that and sincerely believe it, you ARE going to Hell. Other than that, if you do believe, you're guaranteed a spot in Heaven. No amount of good works can get you into Heaven. The Bible clearly states that. Also, it clearly states that you cannot get to Heaven without Christ in your life. Sure, if you're a born-again Christian... But I'd be willing to bet that all the non Christians, athiests, agnostics, etc, will disagree with you. Does that still make it simple? The Bible also clearly states that faith without works is dead, so how does that all fit in? And if you're Catholic, hell, you don't even need to believe in Jesus.. when you sin, just buy an indulgence from that overflowing spiritual treasury and yer Good ta Go! Yes, it still is that simple. Any form of Christianity believes in the Bible, and if they disagree with the gospel of John then they're fucking idiots. 'Nuff said.
j_ball430 Yes, it still is that simple. Any form of Christianity believes in the Bible, and if they disagree with the gospel of John then they're fucking idiots. 'Nuff said. Well, if you say so.. I guess the only problem we have now then, is that James specifically contradicts John.. hmmm.... Maybe John was smarter, and therefore correct? And just for the record, I would love to point out your wise, Christian decleration… It sort of sounds like this: I FOUND JESUS, YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE, SO I'M GOING TO HEAVEN!.. Yea… I'm sure that's all he care's about, you winning the hide-and-seek game; he couldn't possibly care at all about the way you, oh.. lets say.. interact with your fellow mankind? lol
John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Yes, all you have to do is believe sincerely that Jesus is the Son of God, was sent here to die for our sins, rose from the dead, and acended into Heaven again. That's all I'm arguing. I personally believe that one cannot lose their salvation, but I'm not claiming that as truth.
j_ball430 John 14:6 Jesus said to him, "I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. Yes, all you have to do is believe sincerely that Jesus is the Son of God, was sent here to die for our sins, rose from the dead, and ascended into Heaven again. That's all I'm arguing. I personally believe that one cannot lose their salvation, but I'm not claiming that as truth. Lets think here for a minute.. Exactly what does it mean to believe sincerely that Jesus is the Son of God, was sent here to die for our sins, rose from the dead, and ascended into Heaven again.? If you sincerely believe it, don't you think that you would follow all his other teachings regarding the way he has instructed you to live your life? If you don't, if you just go about your merry way, and live the life that you want to live, have you really sincerely bought in to Jesus? I'm not going to get in to a semantics debate about why my beliefs are better than yours, or vice versa, I'm just simply pointing out that what you are saying, is actually contradicting even your own words.. Luther was a very humble man, he lived as a monk and was probably closer to "perfect" than anyone I have ever met, yet he still felt torn in the fact that no matter what he did, or how he lived his life, he was never "sin-free".. But he came to the realization that, that isn't what God was asking for, he didn't require him to be perfect before he died, Jesus took care of that.. all Luther had to do was attempt to be like Jesus, as best he could, and that's all that Jesus required of him. When Luther understood this, he felt "born again".. The Catholics of that era took it to one extreme, buying indulgences as repayment of their sins, sometimes even before they committed them. They felt that they could buy their way in to heaven through money or works... Now days, too many people believe the exact opposite, that all you have to do is profess your belief in Jesus, then you're free to walk away and act as you please.. What James taught, to build upon what those before him, such as John wrote; is that there is a combination of the two, that is required. If you confess your love to Jesus on Sunday, then spit on your neighbor on Monday, you're pretty much showing that what you did on Sunday had no true meaning. It's what's in your heart that matters, and if your heart is true, you will want to be out doing the works, and living the life that Jesus has asked you to. His suffering on earth isn't to be taken lightly, it wasn't a pass-go and collect $200 dollars card. You can believe as you wish, I'm not going to change that; but at least consider what you're professing, God doesn't care how you really act, as long as you believe he died on a cross.. if that were true, there wouldn't be much need for repentance now would there? The goal in life for a Christian is to live a life closer to God, not just acknowledge he exists; there aren't too many ways to do that except for works.
msgtpain Lets think here for a minute.. Exactly what does it mean to believe sincerely that Jesus is the Son of God, was sent here to die for our sins, rose from the dead, and ascended into Heaven again.? If you sincerely believe it, don't you think that you would follow all his other teachings regarding the way he has instructed you to live your life? If you don't, if you just go about your merry way, and live the life that you want to live, have you really sincerely bought in to Jesus? I'm not going to get in to a semantics debate about why my beliefs are better than yours, or vice versa, I'm just simply pointing out that what you are saying, is actually contradicting even your own words.. Luther was a very humble man, he lived as a monk and was probably closer to "perfect" than anyone I have ever met, yet he still felt torn in the fact that no matter what he did, or how he lived his life, he was never "sin-free".. But he came to the realization that, that isn't what God was asking for, he didn't require him to be perfect before he died, Jesus took care of that.. all Luther had to do was attempt to be like Jesus, as best he could, and that's all that Jesus required of him. When Luther understood this, he felt "born again".. The Catholics of that era took it to one extreme, buying indulgences as repayment of their sins, sometimes even before they committed them. They felt that they could buy their way in to heaven through money or works... Now days, too many people believe the exact opposite, that all you have to do is profess your belief in Jesus, then you're free to walk away and act as you please.. What James taught, to build upon what those before him, such as John wrote; is that there is a combination of the two, that is required. If you confess your love to Jesus on Sunday, then spit on your neighbor on Monday, you're pretty much showing that what you did on Sunday had no true meaning. It's what's in your heart that matters, and if your heart is true, you will want to be out doing the works, and living the life that Jesus has asked you to. His suffering on earth isn't to be taken lightly, it wasn't a pass-go and collect $200 dollars card. You can believe as you wish, I'm not going to change that; but at least consider what you're professing, God doesn't care how you really act, as long as you believe he died on a cross.. if that were true, there wouldn't be much need for repentance now would there? The goal in life for a Christian is to live a life closer to God, not just acknowledge he exists; there aren't too many ways to do that except for works. It's my fault that I havn't articulated my beliefs well enough it seems. Of course, I mean that you should follow the rest of the teachings of the Bible. I'm just stating that even if you follow the rest of the teachings, but if you don't agree with John 14:6, then you've not secured anything more than the recognition that you were a caring and loving person. I agree with you completely. I just didn't explain my side the way that I should have, either that or I wasn't even paying attention to what I was truly saying versus what I meant. I never meant that you ONLY needed to follow John 14:6. I was just meaning to say that you NEED to follow John 14:6. My fault.
All of this fighting is bull-hockey. When you get up there and you see Jesus sitting with god and your like "SHIT WHAT WAS I THINKING BUDHA!?!" They're like, Hey there, We're christian. Want in? And as long as your like "Thanks man I was so worried" They'll be like "No prob bra, happens all the time". And then you can live in peace and happiness forever. I just hope I would get extended the same curtousy if I get up there and it turns out God is a golf club. Now let me once again try to punt this on track. IRAQI ELECTIONS
Chronojam Doitle http://www.cnn.com/2005/WORLD/meast/01/30/iraq.main/index.html Guess who's new national past time is 'Voting'... That's right, Iraq's. Look how happy they are. I think this is panning out to be some pretty well instilled democracy. Hell their turn out was higher than ours.
I think it's clear from this thread that God wanted the elections in Iraq, no?
msgtpain Now days, too many people believe the exact opposite, that all you have to do is profess your belief in Jesus, then you're free to walk away and act as you please. "To know the good, is to do the good" -- Socrates. I would bet that God is a bit smarter than to accept mere profession to His son and His son's acts on earth. And I agree with you, many people today have bought into this false sense of security that God is some kind of simpleton (although God IS perfectly simple, but that is another debate) who will let you into the big Club Med in the sky with a fake I.D. However, J_ball isn't quite off his rocker on this one. Redemption in the traditional sense has escaladed from the Opus Dei and their corporal mortification to confession to an ordained priest who can magically make your sins disappear for 3 minutes of your time repeating X number of prayers that you may or may not even know the MEANING of. Which leads back to that quote... If you know what the good is, and in this sense I don't think you'll misinterpret it like many others on this forum, then you will do the good (That isn't to say that is what Socrates actually meant, but the quote is deliciously ambiguous that way). And when you are aware of the good, you will genuinely know the wrong of your past ways and will be able to be redeemed for it because you will genuinely be sorry. Which is all you need to do with God to be forgiven. It's not some funky rain dance or anything, it will be a fully ego-driven conscious effort to be sorry for a misdeed and you will be forgiven. Now ATONEMENT, that is a COMPLETELY different story.