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After having played many games on large servers (some using half-RG and others not using it at all) only to see cheaters run rampant while the innocent are kicked, I have decided to create this short video to help educate moderators. It seems many moderators do not know what to look for in a cheater and/or often base their banning decisions off of popular opinion, which is often completely wrong. The video shows the most common cheat being used in large servers today. I found it at an undisclosed website. It has since been deleted from my hard drive. Keep in mind I have never cheated previous to this occasion (except for immediately before downloading the hack in a private server to test its functionality etc.) and the only reason I used it in the first place was to create this video, with the purpose of educating other legitimate Renegade players and moderators. I am using a new nickname to keep my identity secret (though an admin could easily match my ip with my usual sn, it is my hope they will understand my intention and not take action against me). Anyways, here is the video for those of you interested. http://www.fullerhorizons.com/nat/CheatVideo.wmv Note: Please feel free to post this video on server forums (Pits, St0rm, non00bs, etc.) for moderators and players to see. The more people know about cheating the easier it is to stop it.
thats what Full RenGuard mode was made for
There are even more evil cheats than those...such as weapons that fire normally, but alternate fire does other things, this way they can pass most "tests" in servers (shoot me in the foot to see if I die etc). All the more reason to run full RG mode on your server, or to !forcerg anyone who you suspect of cheating.
In many servers that "force RG" stuff is used as an excuse to remove a player that killed the person in question.
i found that intresting exactly. i did not know a lot abou those cheats
This is why I only play in RG servers. It really sucks to be almost in the enemies base as an SBH nuker only to be killed instantly by someone on the other side of the base while still fully cloaked. Half-mode RG works nice, as you can just !forcerg them off. (doesn't bring back that $1400 you just lost though)
so you wish to educate moderators by cheating yourself? thats not the way to do it
Yes, it is. Showing them what it really looks like isn't educating them, right... :rolleyes: The fact that he had to actually use the cheats to make the movie is irrelevant.
good video lets hope some newbie mods with no experience in this game can start kicking the right people one thing i would like to know.. you used the laser rifle to kill those men.. what did IRC report this as? as normal rifle kill or SBH laser weapon kill ? i have never check this.. but just an idea that poped into my head
Aircraftkiller In many servers that "force RG" stuff is used as an excuse to remove a player that killed the person in question. the person that killed him should of been running RG in the first place, so if he gets kicked, its hes fault
Renegade isn't worth cheating in, rank means nothing and cheating makes a game severly boring. Yet people do it. tsk tsk tsk
GeTSm0keD to cheat only for educational purpose this is sum thing that ive done for years.. you cheated for years?? get the fuck off these forums
Majiin Vegeta good video one thing i would like to know.. you used the laser rifle to kill those men.. what did IRC report this as? as normal rifle kill or SBH laser weapon kill ? i have never check this.. but just an idea that poped into my head Not sure, good question though.
that video made my friend start playing renegade again, with all deh cheats...
If youve used cheats online, even for 'educational' purposes then your not worth playing with and are no better than people that cheat for fun. The game that you were playing in that video was ruined because of your cheating, even if you were recording it as something to show people who dont cheat see what to look out for.
And idiots like you were the same people that screamed "YOU CAN'T CHEAT IN RENEGADE," causing WSE to release cheats just to prove you wrong and piss off a lot of people. If you have to gain knowledge at the expense of "ruining" a single game, BOO HOO, GET THE FUCK OVER IT. OH NO HE CHEATED ONCE TO HELP OTHERS IDENTIFY AND ELIMINATE CHEATING PLAYERS... OH NO THAT'S SO HORRIBLE, THE PEOPLE THAT PLAYED IN THE RUINED GAME WILL BE SCARRED FOR LIFE
I have no sympathy for anyone who get's !forcerg'ed. They should be running it anyway. Regardless of how inaffective Half-Renguard mode is overall, it IS bringing more and more people onto Renguard and we have the highest traffic levels we've ever seen.
Crimson it IS bringing more and more people onto Renguard and we have the highest traffic levels we've ever seen. So true the Renegade n00bstories server was actually full the other day!
Ahh, remember the days when cheating didn't even exist in this game!
damn, back when the +HS+ was the biggest thing and sniper only servers were in and cops and robbers were kewl too.
Aircraftkiller And idiots like you were the same people that screamed "YOU CAN'T CHEAT IN RENEGADE," causing WSE to release cheats just to prove you wrong and piss off a lot of people. If you have to gain knowledge at the expense of "ruining" a single game, BOO HOO, GET THE FUCK OVER IT. OH NO HE CHEATED ONCE TO HELP OTHERS IDENTIFY AND ELIMINATE CHEATING PLAYERS... OH NO THAT'S SO HORRIBLE, THE PEOPLE THAT PLAYED IN THE RUINED GAME WILL BE SCARRED FOR LIFE Exactly, and in reference to pendellum, there is cheaters right now on renegade, by him making this video it should hopefully educate those mods that don't know about anything other than BH.
i agree with AirCraftKiller. If he has to expense 1 game to educate the masses, so be it. The end justifies the means.
I think I will take that link and post it on our forums too... everyone can learn something from this.
Very well done. It's rather interesting to see this. Question, do all sniper weapons show the blue? I'm interested in those blue streaks; do PIC and Raveshaw beams last longer too? Also, what does that laser rifle appear as? Just the last-used weapon?
In their hand as they hold it? o_O From what I've witnessed it usually appears as a pistol. The cheats I encounter most are one-shot pistol kills (it's not a pistol I guess, but a laser rifle that looks like it?) and autorifles that'll kill you in only about 4 shots.
i agree spln, we gotta couple of kick happy people in our clan unfortunately...
that's really funny...i was playing in that game..i was one of those SBH that was TRYING to lay the nuke. damn CHEATERS!
2000_years This is why I only play in RG servers. It really sucks to be almost in the enemies base as an SBH nuker only to be killed instantly by someone on the other side of the base while still fully cloaked. Half-mode RG works nice, as you can just !forcerg them off. (doesn't bring back that $1400 you just lost though) That was me.
If your a mod and you don't know what a cheat looks like just by watching a player in the game and not some video then one of two things should happen A) You shouldn't be in the spot in the first place B) Log a lot more hours into playing, its not that hard. People act to quick to ban / cheat. THINK PEOPLE THINK. This was a good video tho, i was very surprised with the whole having a weapon and no one else being able to see it, thats something i would have never thought of even. The cheat i think is the most annoying and hard to detect however is the decloaking stealth one, thats one of those were you can just bs it and say "WELL HE WAS CLOSE SO I SAW HIM": Or something stupid like that.
Good Video, showed me a cheaters view. Maybe those that want to cheat and would, will watch this and satisfy that itch. NOT. I would hope by now most season players would know a cheat and not need a video. I would hope MODS would too. The Mod problem these days are imature brats that ban for stupid reasons like trash talking and stuff like that while the cheater is allowed to play on. Anyway, forcerg is great, if they don't have rg, they should have it. It does not effect the game. Those that say it does, buy new pc's. Why wouldn't you be running RenGuard???? k thks. bye
For #1 Mr. Nod3145 what you did made you NO better then ANY of the cheaters' out there. #2 You have cheated for a while, because of the way you was doing it was almost pro like. #3 I hope that they post your Screen Name on here just for you cheating ON AN OPEN SERVER SO WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! Ok, Now that I have put that in there... I would think that Mr. Aircraft Killer as well as the others' can agree with what I said. C&C Ken
NodServnt For #1 Mr. Nod3145 what you did made you NO better then ANY of the cheaters' out there. #2 You have cheated for a while, because of the way you was doing it was almost pro like. #3 I hope that they post your Screen Name on here just for you cheating ON AN OPEN SERVER SO WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! Ok, Now that I have put that in there... I would think that Mr. Aircraft Killer as well as the others' can agree with what I said. C&C Ken No. You're wrong. 1. The only cheat other than this one I tested was Final Renegade many months ago in a designated server. I tested this one to see how cheating has evolved since then into more cunning techniques. 2. I have not cheated for a while, I was playing almost "pro-like" because I have been playing Renegade since it was released. It's not hard to deduce what manuevers a stealthy cheater would employ (as demonstrated) onced you've figured out what types of cheats they had available to them in the first place. In case you haven't figured it out already, there's not much skill involved in cheating, so I don't get how you can come up with "pro-like" cheaters to begin with. 3. It's somewhat necessary to demonstrate cheating on an open server to get the point across. Oh yeah, it only lasted about 3 and a half minutes, so don't panic. Like I said in the original post, I did test out the cheat's abilities in my own private server prior to filming the video... but filming the video in my own private server would have much less of an impact on viewers of the video.
nod3145 NodServnt For #1 Mr. Nod3145 what you did made you NO better then ANY of the cheaters' out there. #2 You have cheated for a while, because of the way you was doing it was almost pro like. #3 I hope that they post your Screen Name on here just for you cheating ON AN OPEN SERVER SO WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! Ok, Now that I have put that in there... I would think that Mr. Aircraft Killer as well as the others' can agree with what I said. C&C Ken No. You're wrong. 1. The only cheat other than this one I tested was Final Renegade many months ago in a designated server. I tested this one to see how cheating has evolved since then into more cunning techniques. 2. I have not cheated for a while, I was playing almost "pro-like" because I have been playing Renegade since it was released. It's not hard to deduce what manuevers a stealthy cheater would employ (as demonstrated) onced you've figured out what types of cheats they had available to them in the first place. In case you haven't figured it out already, there's not much skill involved in cheating, so I don't get how you can come up with "pro-like" cheaters to begin with. 3. It's somewhat necessary to demonstrate cheating on an open server to get the point across. Oh yeah, it only lasted about 3 and a half minutes, so don't panic. Like I said in the original post, I did test out the cheat's abilities in my own private server prior to filming the video... but filming the video in my own private server would have much less of an impact on viewers of the video. You would be very supprised at how much skills' some would have to put into it to NOT geting caught... However you would be an easy one to catch.. Duh! I catch cheaters' day in, and day out... Like I tell people, I only like cheaters' for one reason, because I like the "hunting/catching". To me it is a hobbie, and a thrill at the same time. I been doing it for several games' for a while now. C&C Ken
its true, this guy is the best cheat catcher ive ever seen. He knows it all in and out and he can spot a cheater without them even knowing hes even there.
NodServnt You would be very supprised at how much skills' some would have to put into it to NOT geting caught... However you would be an easy one to catch.. Duh! I catch cheaters' day in, and day out... Like I tell people, I only like cheaters' for one reason, because I like the "hunting/catching". To me it is a hobbie, and a thrill at the same time. I been doing it for several games' for a while now. C&C Ken Of course I wasn't really attempting to be overly sneaky. I only wanted to make a few minutes of video so if I were kicked then oh well. There was no airstrip in that game so I had to demonstrate the instakill ability by shooting infantry. I suppose if I had actually wanted to remain I would do a few things: not kill infantry instantly, stay much farther away from the epicenter of action, do much less offensive activity overall and instead focus mainly on instarepairing.
NodServnt For #1 Mr. Nod3145 what you did made you NO better then ANY of the cheaters' out there. #2 You have cheated for a while, because of the way you was doing it was almost pro like. #3 I hope that they post your Screen Name on here just for you cheating ON AN OPEN SERVER SO WE KNOW WHO YOU ARE! Ok, Now that I have put that in there... I would think that Mr. Aircraft Killer as well as the others' can agree with what I said. C&C Ken 1) He used the cheats to demonstrate how a cheater can still cheat in the game yet be covert at the same time. If he isn't better than the cheaters, why the hell would he share the info on how covert cheaters cheat? 2) So, just because he's careful in using his cheats, it makes him a long time cheater? News flash, dickweed, he isn't a n00b who's yelling "OMGF LUK @ MEE KIL TEH PEEPULZ IN OEN SHTO!!!111 LOLOLOLWTFOMGBBQ". He's a seasoned player who knows how to be discreet, and if you can't figure that out, I weep for the future. 3) He stated that he changed his screenname, so that part is useless. As for the last comment: - Aircraftkiller isn't the leader of these forums, nor does he carry the most influence, so attempting to incite a response from him is pointless. Also, he doesn't care one bit about Renegade anymore; he's moved on to modding Half Life 2. - The "others" consists of a few retards like you who can't see the purpose of this guy's intentions, which is to show people how cheaters can be discreet in their methods. Honestly, turn on your brain before telling your fingers to hunt and peck the keyboard.
Umbral_DelaFlare So, just because he's careful in using his cheats, it makes him a long time cheater? News flash, dickweed, he isn't a n00b once again your maturity or lack there of never ceases to amaze me Umbra. Here we have someone completely new to the forums, And even though he is new to the forums, he is completely aware that AirCraftKiller is not the leader of them. He is no n00b to the community. I know him personally and his knowledge of the game and how it works compared to yours is like comparing a Salesman at Best Buy to Bill Gates. So show a little respect. Umbral_DelaFlare's siggy Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Thats Splnwezel's signature.
GBull, You are completely offbase on this one. While this kid may be good at determining cheaters, that doesn't necessarily mean that he knows how long they've been playing, or for the reasons as to why their cheating, I believe this guy cheated for the reason to educate others. There is no other reason as to why he posted the movie. It wasn't like he was showing off, "OMG LOOK AT MUH CHEETZ I R L337!!!!oneoen!!!11one" Also, Aircraftkiller already defended nod3145's actions in making this movie. It'd help if you friend could read the previous posts once in a while.
i didnt say he knew anything like that. I simply said that he knows this game in and out and professes at catching cheaters and to show more respect than to call him "dickweed" upon his first 3 posts in these forums. under this name anyway. and if you look at my post i agree with you J_ball, but that is not a reason to criticize him for thinking otherwise. nod (not servnt) knew comming in that this would be a controversial post as these types ALWAYS are.
Your friend was attacking nod3145 because he "knows" that nod3145 is a seasoned cheater. He has no right to make that accusation.
yea...but you dont know wut NodServnt is capable of like i do. but i cant tell any of you the details. I'll just leave it at that.
I think he did the video with the sole purpose of showing uneducated mods what the cheat was capable of. I wouldn't expect him to be a cheater outside of this experiment, he is obviously smart enough to realize that a moderator in this forum could match his IP. So please give him the respect he deserves. I know a lot of us can say, oh well I never EVEN touched the cheats, because I want to remain a pure Renegade player, but it takes a lot of courage to test the cheats out and post your results so that people can learn from them. I know a lot of moderators out there can tell a cheat from skill, but a lot of moderators are absolute noob and need help to determine that. EVEN if Renguard is running. I myself hadn't even seen a Big-head screenshot before last month, so it doesn't hurt to educate the general audience a bit.
I haven't seen the movie yet, so I don't know what he does. But as long as this guy didn't ruin a complete game, just to prove his point I'm not mad. We can all cheat if we want to. So Showing off that you can cheat, is useless. Pointing out for the moderators with a bit less knowledge about how cheats work, is usefull. Aircraftkiller In many servers that "force RG" stuff is used as an excuse to remove a player that killed the person in question. Before Renguard, people used possible cheating as an exuse to Kick/Ban a player that killed the person in queston. I think this is at least an improvement, altough it won't stop power abuse I doubt it could really make it worse. Also Aircraftkiller, how can you actually know what a lot of servers do. If you don't actually play the game?
Personally I don't agree with it... Firing one shot at a tank, killing one infantry while cheating... you have changed the outcome of the game. Think "Butterfly Effect". This video could have been shot against bots and been effective. I do know who the "smurf" really is, but since most of you don't seem to be unsupportive of it, I won't reveal.
csskiller Crimson it IS bringing more and more people onto Renguard and we have the highest traffic levels we've ever seen. So true the Renegade n00bstories server was actually full the other day! indeed i has to wait to get in the server yesterday!
Crimson Personally I don't agree with it... Firing one shot at a tank, killing one infantry while cheating... you have changed the outcome of the game. Think "Butterfly Effect". This video could have been shot against bots and been effective. I do know who the "smurf" really is, but since most of you don't seem to be unsupportive of it, I won't reveal. Ty Crimsom As for Uh, j_ball430 you need to go back, and read my fourms' sweetie. I stated things' I made no acusations. So, how about you try it again. As for you Umbral_DelaFlare, the moderators' of BlackHand Studios' as well as the Admins'/Moderators' on the fourms' here are VERY capible of explaing cheats', and stuff like this.. Just seams to me that NO ONE ask. If one would be so as interested however, I have made Several .txt, .bmp, and other resorces' of what, and how these cheats' are in the game. They explain effect on EACH of the charicters' in detail of every gun. Also it gives an explinatin on how the other team can be affected. Quote: Aircraftkiller isn't the leader of these forums, nor does he carry the most influence, so attempting to incite a response from him is pointless. As for this, it is somthing that is an INSIDE thing, so therefor you would not understand, it also I have no need to explain it.. Just to say there is nothing important about it. Quote: He stated that he changed his screenname, so that part is useless. As for this... It is like OMG aperintly you, and j_ball430 read the same way... Go back, and read it again, were I said that "I hope THEY post your screen name".. So.. what you said about "He stated that he changed his screenname" That is apointless saying. Looks like someone needs to use there mind to use the keys' more then others' would. C&C Ken
Sorry to ask if this has been asked before, but what does the "super laser" look like to another player who isn't cheating? Just a standard assault rifle or what?
=[DT =gbull=[L]=] Umbral_DelaFlare's siggy Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Thats splnwezel's signature. Let's compare post amounts shall we? Umbral_DelaFlare: 500 posts with this one. splnwezel: 14 so far. Still not enough? How about join dates? Umbral_DelaFlare: 28 February 2003 splnwezel: 03 October 2004 I have a full year and a half on splnwezel, and that quote has been in my signature since the first day. Hell, he could have gotten the same sentence from where I got it, and simply modified "jet" with "Orca". And YOU, you've only been here 4 days longer than he has. I'm a forum vet. I've been here since the first day, when Westwood handed Crimson the forums. I was here when the first attack was launched against these boards by a spammer who created 582 spam threads in less than 5 minutes. I was here for the Havocman Spazz, a hilarious event that only those who have been here as long as I have will remember. I've seen various n00bs come and go from these forums, and you are no exception. Come to n00bstories IRC. There, you will chat with other forum members, and argue with them if you wish. But before you do, read the rules. I'll be waiting.
Umbral_DelaFlare =[DT =gbull=[L]=] Umbral_DelaFlare's siggy Eagles may soar, but weasels don't get sucked into jet engines. Thats splnwezel's signature. Let's compare post amounts shall we? Umbral_DelaFlare: 500 posts with this one. splnwezel: 14 so far. Still not enough? How about join dates? Umbral_DelaFlare: 28 February 2003 splnwezel: 03 October 2004 I have a full year and a half on splnwezel, and that quote has been in my signature since the first day. Hell, he could have gotten the same sentence from where I got it, and simply modified "jet" with "Orca". And YOU, you've only been here 4 days longer than he has. I'm a forum vet. I've been here since the first day, when Westwood handed Crimson the forums. I was here when the first attack was launched against these boards by a spammer who created 582 spam threads in less than 5 minutes. I was here for the Havocman Spazz, a hilarious event that only those who have been here as long as I have will remember. I've seen various n00bs come and go from these forums, and you are no exception. Come to n00bstories IRC. There, you will chat with other forum members, and argue with them if you wish. But before you do, read the rules. I'll be waiting. A simple no it's not would work j/k
Hey I never said anything... don't fight with me. I just like the saying because it has weasels in it. I didn't get it from you though.
I'm not fighting you, nor do I have a problem with you using that sentence. My statement was directed at GBull. By the way, I like your avatar. I have nearly all the collections.
wuahahahaha, hes fighting me over that???? WUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA. I was just making an observation.
Albeit an entirely incorrect an thoughtless one. Much like everything else you say. Come on IRC. I'll be waiting.
Nice video, I can tell cheats mostly all of the time. If I die in one shot, or I play a game in good old Duel Arena (My favorite map) and I see a person on either team pull out a pistol with a regular infantry and they just run out, I know for a fact that that person is cheating. Either that or their just plain stupid, but that still deserves a kick.
NodServnt, you mistake me for someone who misreads posts. That I, assuredly, do not do. You assumed that he's a "professional" cheater because he happens to use common sense as to how to be discreet. This is all that I was commenting on. Also, don't call me "sweetie". kthx.
Quote: Also Aircraftkiller, how can you actually know what a lot of servers do. If you don't actually play the game? You mean I didn't play this game for three years? Silly me, must have been imagining things again.
Aircraftkiller Quote: Also Aircraftkiller, how can you actually know what a lot of servers do. If you don't actually play the game? You mean I didn't play this game for three years? Silly me, must have been imagining things again. AirCraft killer "plays" just he will not be noticed as one would think. ----------------------------------------------------------------- j_ball430 NodServnt, you mistake me for someone who misreads posts. That I, assuredly, do not do. You assumed that he's a "professional" cheater because he happens to use common sense as to how to be discreet. This is all that I was commenting on. Also, don't call me "sweetie". kthx. :rolleyes: There people go reading my wording wrong again. Don't wry nothing new.. It is ok. Anyway, Mr. j_ball430 like I said I did not accuse, I made an obsvervation just as anyone "trained" to know what to look for would see. PS: As for calling you sweetie I appologies, It is just something I am used to saying in everyday language. C&C Ken
No, I read them just fine. I know what you said. You're wrong. You implied that he's a seasoned professional at cheating.
I've been away for a while, I can't belive how many cheats now exist in ren! Your video was a real eye opener, Keep up the good work! Madtone: your post about remembering Renegade when cheats didn't exist made me feel very old!
Umbral_DelaFlare By the way, I like your avatar. I have nearly all the collections. Yeah, I love Calvin and Hobbes, I got the last of the collection at Christmas. YAY! gbull, why does everyone hate you here? I thought all you did was spam?
Aircraftkiller Quote: Also Aircraftkiller, how can you actually know what a lot of servers do. If you don't actually play the game? You mean I didn't play this game for three years? Silly me, must have been imagining things again. I didn't mean you never played the game. Come on you should be wiser than to think that was what I meant. But Half-Renguard mode has only become a big use in the last couple of months, while you are saying for I think a half year now that you don't play the game anymore. So either you are still sometimes playing the game, or you are making a statement about something you never really experienced.
Crimson please read your PMs. It contains info on a related topic to this hence me posting this here.
You gave me links to cheats that I've known about for months... didn't think it required a response.
Fair Enough, another point there is that the creator of one of those cheats is also registered at these forums and posts every now and then.
Because I don't want finding cheats to be made any easier.
I didn't find that person's name on the site...
Crimson I didn't find that person's name on the site... This person doesn't post often, look for the name in the thread i pmed you. They created the "big head box" cheat so the site claims.
This cheat is a spin off of Big Head.. (I would sue if I was the creator of BH!) Anyway, I make a funny out of things' like this, but yah it is just a edited version of BH... I personaly have only caught two people with it.. So you know it is not that widly used. lol (All the rest with that sort of cheat have BH. ) O, and btw DJM I love your Avatar with the AOL support. LOL that is great! C&C Ken
It's funny 'cause it's true. AOL Support is a pile of crap, when we had broadband problems it took them 2 weeks to sort it out, and it was all their fault in the end. Hence my loathing for AOL and wanting for a better unlimited ISP such as pipex. But anyway back on topic, what is the difference betweeen BH and BHB? hey both give people big heads :s
SeaMan BHB gives people smaller brains. Well that would be true for the ones on the other end of the scope aka cheaters'.. All BHB is just a smaller, and more dumb version of BH. In other words' when you shoot into a crown of people you will not take all of them out.. You can time it right to get one or two at a time. C&C Ken
j4S[p ]Sorry to ask if this has been asked before, but what does the "super laser" look like to another player who isn't cheating? Just a standard assault rifle or what?
they stated either a pistol or c4 earlier i believe j4S[p]
j4S[p ] j4S[p ]Sorry to ask if this has been asked before, but what does the "super laser" look like to another player who isn't cheating? Just a standard assault rifle or what? When the laser rifle was in use, it appeared as timed C4 to the other players (and it was). In fact, if you look at the video at the part where I died, the reason I actually died was not by a kill from the enemy, but from the timed c4 (invisible to me, but not other players), which detonated exactly 30 seconds after the first shot of the laser rifle.
Last time I checked timed c4 was on a 15 second fuse lol
csskiller Last time I checked timed c4 was on a 15 second fuse lol You must not be referring to Renegade then.
default is 30 seconds i believe. if it is 15, i believe the people who own the server changed it. I know it is easily changeable tho because we have had it done to our ctf server (10 sec delay )
Very interesting video. I'd argue that although the way he made the vid was unfair to the players in that game, it is better for the people who watch it. Even if he had recruited a group of players to help him make the vid, it would not have had the same impact, since those players would have been expecting the cheats. The first time I noticed someone actually reacting to the cheat in that vid was when he healed the mammy from 1/2 to full health from halfway across the map. It is much more educational this way- because that's how it happens in real servers. How are you going to spot a cheat if you don't have prior knowledge about how the cheat would be used and covered up in a real game?
I timed the c4 on the video and I was wrong. Whoops must have been thinking renalert or something.
nod3145 j4S[p ] j4S[p ]Sorry to ask if this has been asked before, but what does the "super laser" look like to another player who isn't cheating? Just a standard assault rifle or what? When the laser rifle was in use, it appeared as timed C4 to the other players (and it was). In fact, if you look at the video at the part where I died, the reason I actually died was not by a kill from the enemy, but from the timed c4 (invisible to me, but not other players), which detonated exactly 30 seconds after the first shot of the laser rifle. So wait. Will other players see that c4 you're using? And will it damage them? Are there cheats then that let you just plain plaster a building with in/visible c4? Will planted c4 thusly look different to a cheater with this particular set of cheats?
to all players in the game it will look like you are holding a c4 and when you first shoot they will see you throw it(it will act and be like a regular c4) now after you shot/they see you throw it they will see you as having no weapon at all you will see yourself(you-cheater) with a lazer rifle. It's funny to see sometimes even mods ingames don't know what cheats can do. It's not hard (10-15mins) to make killer cheat that is 100% undetectable with any damage test or any screanshot test, the only way to stop them is with renguard. I keep thinking maybe i sould make and release a bunch of totaly undetactable cheats to force all servers to run renguard if they don't want hard to detect cheaters in there servers... But I guess there is a downside to making/releasing this type of cheat, i don't know what it is but i'm sure there are some.
ghostSWT I keep thinking maybe i sould make and release a bunch of totaly undetactable cheats to force all servers to run renguard if they don't want hard to detect cheaters in there servers... But I guess there is a downside to making/releasing this type of cheat, i don't know what it is but i'm sure there are some. The downside is you get no credit. If you did get credit, you can say bye bye you renegade. I've yet to watch the video yet due to me being on 56k, but I'm sure your talking about final ren if its most common. Downloaded cheats are for the true n00bs of cheating, easly spotted and disposed of if you know about it, why the video makes a good point. Something else for educational purposes: http://www.agamersnet.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=340&start=0&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=&sid=74c2862513ff79001dd284177ad27fdf The video on the bottom was made by me, an 'extreem' cheat, which takes the name of 'most obvious' away from final ren. Which brings up a point the video does not represent. Home made cheats are about the worst thing a mod has to deal with, while some are just as obvious as final ren, or that one, some you would never find out unless you took an ingame test. The best you can do is just rgforce any suspected cheater, cheating or not. If they are cheating then you just owned a n00b. If their not then you just got rengaurd another user. With rengaurd, the video is really only good for non rengaurd servers.
When I'm playing in my server, if anyone even looks like they might be cheating, I'll just force rg their ass. They should be running it anyway, so what's the big deal.