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Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Zell Miller is such a crazy redneck hillbilly retard. His speech at the Republican Convention was almost all lies. And then, he blew up on Hardball, challenging Chris Matthews to a duel for some inane reason, after calling his "spitballs" a "metafurr". http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57835-2004Sep2.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55738-2004Sep2.html
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-09-05T14:21:22-00:00

Re: Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: SuperFlyingEngi His speech at the Republican Convention was almost all lies. Quote the lie from his speech, and quote the fact that runs counter to that lie. Then, we might believe you. Quote: Zell Miller is such a crazy redneck hillbilly retard. "Hi, pot? This is kettle. You're black." Quote: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A57835-2004Sep2.html http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55738-2004Sep2.html "Register now. It's free and it's required." No.
creator: Hydra
date: 2004-09-05T14:31:16-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: You're not going to register to read the thing? Damn. It takes like 2 minutes, and the quotes from those articles would fill up a ton of space on here. Those articles reference the first third of your post. If you can't be bothered to read what is there, then go away. And believe me, I don't look or act like Zell Miller.
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-09-05T14:42:02-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Good idea to vote for the man that members of his own party support the man running against him. John Kerry is the ass, and I say that not by what is said about him, but what came from the fuckhead's own mouth.
creator: Riftgarde
date: 2004-09-05T17:19:01-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Of course, everyone who disagrees with the liberals is always something bad. For preaching tolerance you sure don't seem to practice it. Or is it that you only tolerate what you like, and nothing more? You're a fucking hypocrite at best...
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2004-09-05T17:19:15-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Riftgarde Good idea to vote for the man that members of his own party support the man running against him. Some people from one party will always back another candidate, Zell Miller is just the only real vocal Democrat for Bush. And I'm not going to pick my candidate one what some 9,000 year old senile crazy guy has to say. Especially when he presents himself like he did at the Republican Convention. ACK Of course, everyone who disagrees with the liberals is always something bad. For preaching tolerance you sure don't seem to practice it. Or is it that you only tolerate what you like, and nothing more? You're a fucking hypocrite at best... Not everyone who disagrees with liberals is bad in my book, in fact, I consider very few of them to be so. I only despise Zell Miller because of his ruthless lying attacks at the Convention. It's the most slanderous political speech I've ever heard in my life. Did you in fact even watch it? Zell Miller deserves no respect after what he said.
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-09-05T17:38:52-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Riftgarde Good idea to vote for the man that members of his own party support the man running against him. To say "I'm going to vote for Bush/Kerry because he's a republican/democrat" is not usually a good reason. It's incredibly stupid to assume that all democrats vote democratic and all republicans vote republican, so by your logic we could say the EXACT same thing to you: Good idea to vote for the man that members of his own party support the man running against him. You're guilty of supporting someone who fits that description no matter who you support. :rolleyes:
creator: Fabian
date: 2004-09-05T20:09:48-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: First off, Zell Miller is a former marine who served in Korea. For that alone he deserves your respect, say anything negative about the man's character again and I'll find you and kick the crap outta you myself.* Second, behold -> http://miller.senate.gov/bio.htm The short version of Senator Miller's biography. He is a public servant, not a bloody career politican. Thirdly, Senator Miller is one of the few Democrats in D.C. with any sort of integrity left, the rest of shills for whatever special interest group tosses them a check. *Admins I would never actually do this as I know that Engi is a "empty head full of mush" that believes anything that comes out of the Kerry camp's collective mouths. I use it simply to make my point.
creator: liberator
date: 2004-09-06T02:03:39-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: The funny part is superlfyingliberal probably did not even know who Zell miller was until someone started bashing him on democraticunderground.com
creator: Nodbugger
date: 2004-09-06T02:41:30-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Liberator... What does his serving in Korea have to do with his speech? What does his biography have to do with his speech? No matter what you pull up, it won't negate his outrageous speech at the RNC. :rolleyes: And I could say the same thing about Kerry: Quote: First off, John Kerry is a former soldier who served in Vietnam. For that alone he deserves your respect, say anything negative about the man's character again and I'll find you and kick the crap outta you myself. But wait! Countless people on these forums don't respect Kerry at all, saying things that they have just heard over and over again like a broken record (i.e. "Flip-flopper"). Your veteran bullshit doesn't hold.
creator: Fabian
date: 2004-09-06T13:26:31-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Nodbugger The funny part is superlfyingliberal probably did not even know who Zell miller was until someone started bashing him on democraticunderground.com Nodbugger, the first time I saw Zell Miller was on Hannity & Colmes when I was flipping through the news channels maybe a year or so ago. And I didn't think much of him back then, either. liberator Second, behold -> http://miller.senate.gov/bio.htm The short version of Senator Miller's biography. He is a public servant, not a bloody career politican. liberator, that bio was probably written by himself or one of his aides with the objective of making Zell look better. It's garbage. Zell Miller is so disliked in the Senate that he doesn't even go in the building any more. liberator Thirdly, Senator Miller is one of the few Democrats in D.C. with any sort of integrity left, the rest of shills for whatever special interest group tosses them a check. Uh...ok, am I just supposed to accept this for fact or something?
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-09-06T14:02:54-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: SuperFlyingEngi Uh...ok, am I just supposed to accept this for fact or something? Yea.. Just like we're supposed to take "all those lies at the RNC" as fact.. I think you've been asked like 3 times to list them and show why they are lies.. are we just avoiding the subject?
creator: msgtpain
date: 2004-09-06T19:20:21-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Did you read the Washington Post articles?
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-09-06T19:40:06-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: He isn't asking the Washington Post. He's asking you.
creator: exnyte
date: 2004-09-06T20:13:13-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: So he wants me to copy and paste a whole load of information from there to here? That would take up a ton of space, when I could not flood this thread and instead have 2 links. It's not that much to ask.
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-09-06T21:15:36-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: SuperFlyingEngi So he wants me to copy and paste a whole load of information from there to here? That would take up a ton of space, when I could not flood this thread and instead have 2 links. It's not that much to ask. So basically, you can't argue the points, or even summarize them.. I'm just supposed to go register on some liberal rag's Web site so I can read what you're upset about.. no thanks.. If you want to have a conversation here, bitch about someone or something, then I would at least expect you to be able to do that yourself.. I can search the news myself and formulate my own opinions.
creator: msgtpain
date: 2004-09-06T22:07:43-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: msgtpain SuperFlyingEngi So he wants me to copy and paste a whole load of information from there to here? That would take up a ton of space, when I could not flood this thread and instead have 2 links. It's not that much to ask. So basically, you can't argue the points, or even summarize them.. I'm just supposed to go register on some liberal rag's Web site so I can read what you're upset about.. no thanks.. If you want to have a conversation here, bitch about someone or something, then I would at least expect you to be able to do that yourself.. I can search the news myself and formulate my own opinions.
creator: Aurora
date: 2004-09-06T22:35:38-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: msgtpain So basically, you can't argue the points, or even summarize them.. I'm just supposed to go register on some liberal rag's Web site so I can read what you're upset about.. no thanks.. If you want to have a conversation here, bitch about someone or something, then I would at least expect you to be able to do that yourself.. I can search the news myself and formulate my own opinions. You're calling the Washington Post a rag magazine? I'm this close to just not caring any more. I'm supposed to post factual information here instead of linking you to it? What the crap? Or am I supposed to be making things up? If you don't want to have the hardship of spending maybe a minute registering on a website, well, have fun living in ignorance. But I don't feel like paraphrasing anything here.
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-09-06T22:43:16-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: SuperFlyingEngi You're calling the Washington Post a rag magazine? Most definately. But since you're what.. 16? I wouldn't expect that you honestly have much historical perspective on what a "rag" magazine is. Do a little research and you'll find that it is indeed right up there in the top billing for national "rags".. It may have become a little softer in the last decade, but it has always been, and will most likely always remain a liberal soap box. SuperFlyingEngi I'm this close to just not caring any more. Suit yourself. Am I supposed to care that you are close to not caring? SuperFlyingEngi I'm supposed to post factual information here instead of linking you to it? No, you're supposed to formulate your own opinions, make your own arguments, research what you are touting as "fact" and let us know why you feel that what you believe is worth arguing about. Posting links which validate your beliefs typically helps as well. Any bonehead can post a link to an article and spout "Yea, What he said!" SuperFlyingEngi If you don't want to have the hardship of spending maybe a minute registering on a website, well, have fun living in ignorance. No, if I refuse to register for the site and read the article, I'm only living in YOUR ignorance, since you can't even relay to me what the article is about. If I were to register for the site and read the article, and simply dismiss everything it stated because "it's a liberal rag", then I would be living in my ignorance. SuperFlyingEngi But I don't feel like paraphrasing anything here. Which is why I don't feel like taking your argument very seriously.
creator: msgtpain
date: 2004-09-06T23:50:48-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: msgtpain since you're what.. 16? 14. msgtpain Do a little research and you'll find that it is indeed right up there in the top billing for national "rags".. It may have become a little softer in the last decade, but it has always been, and will most likely always remain a liberal soap box. What would you call a better news source? msgtpain No, you're supposed to formulate your own opinions, make your own arguments, research what you are touting as "fact" and let us know why you feel that what you believe is worth arguing about. Posting links which validate your beliefs typically helps as well. Any bonehead can post a link to an article and spout "Yea, What he said!" Fine. Here you go. Zell Miller is a moron because: Well, first he is a flip-flopper, for real, not like John Kerry flip-flop. In 1992 during the Democratic National Convention he declared that "Republicans have dealt in cynicism and skepticism" and "mastered the art of division and diversion." Quite contrary to his views at the 2004 RNC. Also during his 1992 speech, he was much less harsh than his appearance on Wednesday. In fact, his RNC speech was probably one of the most hate-filled American political speeches of my lifetime. He was also just making stuff up when he declared that todays Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator. Which Democratic leaders? I'm sure everyone saw him blow up in front of Chris Matthews, telling him to "get out of my face" and declaring that he wished to challenge the host of Hardball to a duel. Doesn't seem like a mentally stable person to me. When Zell Miller remarked that John Kerry has made it clear he would use military force only if it were approved by the U.N., where in fact John Kerry has stated, "I will never give any nation or international institution a veto over our national security." And overall, his speech was just so insanely mean. All he did was go up on the podium, scowl, and ramble on and on about how all Democrats were treasonous bab…
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-09-07T00:42:33-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: SuperFlyingEngi Fine. Here you go. Zell Miller is a moron because: Well, first he is a flip-flopper, for real, not like John Kerry flip-flop. In 1992 during the Democratic National Convention he declared that "Republicans have dealt in cynicism and skepticism" and "mastered the art of division and diversion." Quite contrary to his views at the 2004 RNC. He answered this statement in the opening 3 minutes of his speech. He stated very clearly that "A whole new generation of Miller's have been born since I stood in this same place over a decade ago." and then he further went on to state that "my family is more important than my party." Did he flip-flop? Maybe so. I'm not arguing that, but that doesn't make him a liar, his priorities have changed due to the change in his family and he now feels that GW Bush is the leader he feels most comfortable with protecting that family. SuperFlyingEngi Also during his 1992 speech, he was much less harsh than his appearance on Wednesday. In fact, Since I am most certain that you were not watching his last speech when you were 2, I can only assume that this is simply a direct quote from the source you quoted.. Have you actually watched internet footage of that speech? or read the transcripts? Like I said, your hatred with Zell Miller seems more of just a regurgitation of the propaganda that a liberal reporter spewed in their column; I have a hard time believeing that you "share" these opinions based on actual events which you were a part of or even have heard for yourself and evaluated. If I am wrong here, then I'm sure you'll be explaining how he was "much less harsh" in 1992. SuperFlyingEngi his RNC speech was probably one of the most hate-filled American political speeches of my lifetime. Please expound.. I'm having a hard time understanding this comment; unless you and I watched a completely different speech. Did he have a few harsh words? sure. But it was very clear that he was questioning "where the Democrats he used to know" …
creator: msgtpain
date: 2004-09-07T03:38:26-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Just a quick question: If Miller's so pissed off with the Democrats, then what the hell is he still doing in the Democratic party?!?
creator: NHJ BV
date: 2004-09-07T07:56:00-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Wow. I'm sick and tired of people accusing people with different viewpoints of being "brainwashed" and watching "propoganda." Propaganda works best when the audience doesn't even question whether or not they are watching propoganda. For all you know, you are watching "propoganda" too. And trust me, if you've ever seen Fox News, you HAVE been watching it. Brainwashed or not, people still have the right to voice their opinion. And telling them they are brainwashed shouldn't be a valid excuse. Tell them where they are wrong, and if you can back it up with factual evidence, maybe they will realize that they are being "brainwashed". SuperFlyingEngi, I in no way mean to imply that you were brainwashed, etc. This applies for everyone on this forum. msgtpain I have a hard time believeing that you "share" these opinions based on actual events which you were a part of or even have heard for yourself and evaluated. If I am wrong here, then I'm sure you'll be explaining how he was "much less harsh" in 1992. So...you are defending him, saying that he might have always been this harsh? If he has, then how is this supposed to make him look better? Oh well, I guess it's all still a loss for the Republican party. Many undecided voters aren't attracted to the party that viciously attacks the other.
creator: Fabian
date: 2004-09-07T12:02:25-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: SEAL msgtpain I have a hard time believeing that you "share" these opinions based on actual events which you were a part of or even have heard for yourself and evaluated. If I am wrong here, then I'm sure you'll be explaining how he was "much less harsh" in 1992. So...you are defending him, saying that he might have always been this harsh? If he has, then how is this supposed to make him look better? Oh well, I guess it's all still a loss for the Republican party. Many undecided voters aren't attracted to the party that viciously attacks the other. No, I'm not defending him.. But if you read your entire beginning rant, then actually "read" what I wrote, you'll probably come to some brilliant revelation. I'm pretty confident in my assumption that SupahFly doesn't have a clue what was said at the 1992 convention, or in what tone. His comments regarding how he was "much less harsh" (and actually his opinions on this entire subject) are nothing more than a re-enactment of what he read in the WP article. I asked him to paraphrase the article to me and explain the "lies" etc, and I received parts of the article cut-and-pasted as a reply. So, what was that you were saying about being "Brainwashed"? I too believe that everyone should have and voice their own opinion, but that doesn't mean that we are not allowed to debate those opinions; which I believe is exactly how I responded, to each point in question. Quote: Brainwashed or not, people still have the right to voice their opinion. Tell them where they are wrong, and if you can back it up with factual evidence I'm thinking that just maybe, you should heed your own advice? Just looking at your signature, I can see that you don't even believe what you spew..
creator: msgtpain
date: 2004-09-07T12:30:45-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: My signature has nothing to do with this. Nodbugger has called me a dumbass so many times that I see fit that I put that quote in my signature. I really don't see the relevance to "the right to voice an opinion" and "not calling people brainwashed". Just because I say "It's time to shut the fuck up," doesn't mean I'm denying Nodbugger's right to post on these forums... :rolleyes:
creator: Fabian
date: 2004-09-07T13:41:22-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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creator: cheesesoda
date: 2004-09-07T19:04:07-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: msgtpain He answered this statement in the opening 3 minutes of his speech. He stated very clearly that "A whole new generation of Miller's have been born since I stood in this same place over a decade ago." and then he further went on to state that "my family is more important than my party." Did he flip-flop? Maybe so. I'm not arguing that, but that doesn't make him a liar, his priorities have changed due to the change in his family and he now feels that GW Bush is the leader he feels most comfortable with protecting that family. He's also saying that because of his rascist record back in the day. Look at j_ball's uninformed poster - Miller was one of the Democrats who voted No for the Civil Rights Act. Although that was maybe 40 years or so ago, so whatever. Let's not live in the past. msgtpain Since I am most certain that you were not watching his last speech when you were 2, I can only assume that this is simply a direct quote from the source you quoted.. Have you actually watched internet footage of that speech? or read the transcripts? Like I said, your hatred with Zell Miller seems more of just a regurgitation of the propaganda that a liberal reporter spewed in their column; I have a hard time believeing that you "share" these opinions based on actual events which you were a part of or even have heard for yourself and evaluated. If I am wrong here, then I'm sure you'll be explaining how he was "much less harsh" in 1992. http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1205981/posts It really is a lot nicer than his 2004 speech. msgtpain Please expound.. I'm having a hard time understanding this comment; unless you and I watched a completely different speech. Did he have a few harsh words? sure. But it was very clear that he was questioning "where the Democrats he used to know" have gone. I guess you could say he is "flip-flopping" again, as he is questioning the true colors of the party he grew up believing in and fighting for. A few harsh words is an understatement. He…
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-09-07T21:29:13-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: SuperFlyingEngi He's also saying that because of his rascist record back in the day. Look at j_ball's uninformed poster - Miller was one of the Democrats who voted No for the Civil Rights Act. Although that was maybe 40 years or so ago, so whatever. Let's not live in the past. My poster speaks the truth. For 150 years it's been like that. Deny it as you wish, but history defends my poster. SuperFlyingEngi Zell Miller Faint-hearted self-indulgence will put at risk all we care about in this world. There, he's calling John Kerry a sissy. Maybe not so much of a sissy as he is an idiot.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2004-09-07T21:53:47-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Yeah, that's funny... most Democrats voted against Civil Rights... now they walk around acting like they're the black man's only hope. :rolleyes: SuperFlyingLib Zell Miller But don't waste your breath telling that to the leaders of my party today. In their warped way of thinking, America is the problem, not the solution. ...what does this mean? Wouldn't Republicans be closer to this way of thinking, like when Ronald Reagan called government the problem, not the solution? Oh well, it doesn't make any sense. Have you, or have you not, said that we are the reason that the terrorists hate us? Because I can assure you that a lot of the world and most liberals believe it. You're trying to relate this very erroneously. Zell Miller is saying that the left believes that our problems with the terrorists are our own fault for being who we are. Reagan said that domestically, government was more of a problem than a solution. The right believes that government is too large and needs to be downsized. They believe the federal government needs to revert some of its authorities and oversight back to the states where it is Constitutionally mandated that the responsibilities lie. So, in conclusion, Zell Miller is speaking of foreign affairs, Reagan was speaking of domestic affairs. The federal government is, in fact, Constitutionally responsible for the common defense, so this IS their territory. SuperFlyingLib Yeah, and Bill Clinton didn't believe that when he told Richard Clarke to make a comprehensive plan for eliminating Al Qaeda. Talk is cheap. Where's the action? Clinton had 8 years and he didn't do much... if he had, September 11th, 2001 would have been just another happy Tuesday. SuperflyingLib Zell Miller John Kerry, who says he doesn't like outsourcing, wants to outsource our national security. Blah blah blah. Why did you even write this? It makes you look like an idiot because you couldn't bother to refute it. What he is succinctly referring to is the fact that Kerry would w…
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-09-08T23:10:34-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Crimson Yeah, that's funny... most Democrats voted against Civil Rights... now they walk around acting like they're the black man's only hope. :rolleyes: That was back when there were a large amount of rascist Southern democrats. Learn your history. But here it goes. Okay, so, back in the day, Lincoln abolished slavery. So, in the South, after that, Lincoln was a Republican, right? So the people who opposed him joined up with the Democratic party in the South. These people were rascist. They started to vanish after the Civil Rights Act was passed. There, that's a super-brief history lesson, but it's a basic overview of what happened. Crimson Have you, or have you not, said that we are the reason that the terrorists hate us? Because I can assure you that a lot of the world and most liberals believe it. You're trying to relate this very erroneously. Zell Miller is saying that the left believes that our problems with the terrorists are our own fault for being who we are. Reagan said that domestically, government was more of a problem than a solution. The right believes that government is too large and needs to be downsized. They believe the federal government needs to revert some of its authorities and oversight back to the states where it is Constitutionally mandated that the responsibilities lie. So, in conclusion, Zell Miller is speaking of foreign affairs, Reagan was speaking of domestic affairs. The federal government is, in fact, Constitutionally responsible for the common defense, so this IS their territory. This isn't so simple as right and wrong. I'm not saying the terrorists hate us for who we are, but we have performed hostile actions ways back that we tend to forget about. Like, when we shelled the Bekaa Valley with one of our battleships during Israel's big fight with the Middle East after it was established. Well, a whole bunch of terrorists live in the Bekaa Valley, and they were pretty pissed when we killed their friends and family. And that's where a l…
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-09-09T00:29:34-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Don't down-play what those in the National Guard do for this country.
creator: exnyte
date: 2004-09-09T03:16:48-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: SuperFlyingEngi That was back when there were a large amount of rascist Southern democrats. Learn your history. But here it goes. Okay, so, back in the day, Lincoln abolished slavery. So, in the South, after that, Lincoln was a Republican, right? So the people who opposed him joined up with the Democratic party in the South. These people were rascist. They started to vanish after the Civil Rights Act was passed. There, that's a super-brief history lesson, but it's a basic overview of what happened. Where the heck do you come up with this? It appears to me that the Left is still racist. Why else would they keep giving them special consideration as if they're less capable than whites? Oh wait, these are the same people who don't trust us to spend our own money or manage our retirement funds. SuperFlyingEngi This isn't so simple as right and wrong. I'm not saying the terrorists hate us for who we are, but we have performed hostile actions ways back that we tend to forget about. Like, when we shelled the Bekaa Valley with one of our battleships during Israel's big fight with the Middle East after it was established. Well, a whole bunch of terrorists live in the Bekaa Valley, and they were pretty pissed when we killed their friends and family. And that's where a lot of terrorists come from. I don't hate America. But not hating America doesn't mean I have to always pretend our country has always done the right thing. Of course we haven't done everything right... but when you have a child who throws a temper tantrum and breaks things when they don't get their way, you don't give in. If the IslamoFascists can't handle their problems maturely, then they will be beat down. Nothing excuses 9/11. SuperFlyingEngi I've already posted this two seperate times in different threads, but apparently you have chosen to ignore it both times. I'll maybe post it again in here, but it's a lot of typing and I'm tired right now. You're the one who brought it up. You failed to convince me back…
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-09-09T04:23:21-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: SuperFlyingEngi But where does that come from? John Kerry doesn't want any 'ole country to decide the U.S.'s own fate, he wants the world to be behind us when we defeat various evil people, such as, but not limited to, terrorists. They're not the same thing. Iraq was not an imminent threat. Not imminent enough for us to dash in after blowing off the UN. Not nearly. I dunno about that. It seems all he cares about is Vietnam. That's why I say he should go run for a position in Vietnam and leave the US alone. I want a president that says US US US! Not a president that says VIETNAM VIETNAM VIETNAM! I don't want him to like secretly overnight rename the country Vietnamica or something equally assinine. It seems to me he cares more about... The Vietnam war than the present. Sounds like SOMEBODY is living in the past... lol... Seeing as the Vietnam war occurred... Not right now.
creator: Doitle
date: 2004-09-09T11:16:35-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: The question is: who is the lesser of two evils? My understanding is that both are fairly bad choices.
creator: cokemaster
date: 2004-09-09T11:35:17-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Crimson Of course we haven't done everything right... but when you have a child who throws a temper tantrum and breaks things when they don't get their way, you don't give in. If the IslamoFascists can't handle their problems maturely, then they will be beat down. Nothing excuses 9/11. That pretty much described what Bush did with Iraq. Besides, you can't ignore the reasons terrorism exists. Those hijackers didn't wake up one morning thinking "hey, let's fly a plane into a building", you know.
creator: NHJ BV
date: 2004-09-09T14:56:06-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: That doesn't excuse how they dealt with their problem.
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-09-09T17:03:33-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Crimson Where the heck do you come up with this? It appears to me that the Left is still racist. Why else would they keep giving them special consideration as if they're less capable than whites? Oh wait, these are the same people who don't trust us to spend our own money or manage our retirement funds. I got that from my 8th grade history class, when we were going over the origins of both American political parties. And privatizing social security is still a terrible idea. Crimson Of course we haven't done everything right... but when you have a child who throws a temper tantrum and breaks things when they don't get their way, you don't give in. If the IslamoFascists can't handle their problems maturely, then they will be beat down. Nothing excuses 9/11. So, us killing their families doesn't excuse them from killing our families? While I fully believe 9/11 was a depraved act orchestrated by crazy people, those crazy people were responding to what we had done to them. Crimson You're the one who brought it up. You failed to convince me back then, so don't waste your time cutting and pasting from ILoveClinton.org again. I have seen too much evidence to think of Clinton as anything but scum. Well, if you don't want to listen, I don't want to tell. Crimson Any ole country? As in, the United States? And another thing, even your boy Kerry knows the Iraq is part of the war on terror: Kerry Today marks a tragic milestone in the war in Iraq. More than one thousand of America's sons and daughters have now given their lives on behalf of their country, on behalf of freedom in the war on terror. And I think that the first thing that every American wants to say today is how deeply we each feel the loss. He was just trying not be to controversial there. No one really knows why we're in Iraq any more, but it certainly doesn't have anything to do with al Qaeda. Crimson It's nice how you think so little of our armed forces. There are organizations around just to oppose Kerry for lyin…
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-09-09T19:38:23-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Crimson That doesn't excuse how they dealt with their problem. I wasn't saying that, but ignoring the history of those parts of the world isn't a very good idea either.
creator: NHJ BV
date: 2004-09-09T20:46:50-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: NHJ BV Crimson That doesn't excuse how they dealt with their problem. I wasn't saying that, but ignoring the history of those parts of the world isn't a very good idea either. http://www.protestwarrior.com/newsletters/08_18_04.php
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-09-09T21:33:48-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: SuperFlyingEngi So, us killing their families doesn't excuse them from killing our families? While I fully believe 9/11 was a depraved act orchestrated by crazy people, those crazy people were responding to what we had done to them. I can't believe you justify the actions of these terrorists. They intentionally wanted to kill innocent Americans, while any death of innocents in the war on terror is NOT intentional and avoided as well as possible. Contrary to what you may believe, Americans on the whole are NOT depraved lunatics willing to kill themselves to 'squash the infidels'. SuperFlyingEngi He was just trying not be to controversial there. No one really knows why we're in Iraq any more, but it certainly doesn't have anything to do with al Qaeda. It has everything to do with Al Qaeda and other terrorists groups who are in Iraq. And since when was Kerry not trying to be controversial? I think it's more of a Fruedian slip on his part... he forgot for a moment that the left is supposed to convince everyone is a separate war. SuperflyingEngi I don't think little of our armed forces. I'm proud of the brave men and women who serve our country and keep me out of harm's way. But history has dictated for 30+ years that vietnam was an atrocities war. And John Kerry went and testified to try and get our soldiers out of an atrocities war. History dictated this thanks to testimony from people like Kerry who used these lies as a reason to justify pulling troops from Vietnam. Just the same as the left tried to get Bush to pull troops out of Iraq because of the Abu Ghraib stuff. I mean, if Kerry had this little 8mm camera to shoot footage of himself in Vietnam, wouldn't he have taped these atrocities that the American troops were allegedly committing? They did in Iraq... SuperFlyingEngi How do you know John Kerry would be incredibly weak on defending our country from outside attacks? Or is that just your force-fed opinion you got from FOX News? I don't even WATCH Fox News! I rea…
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-09-09T21:51:20-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Crimson NHJ BV Crimson That doesn't excuse how they dealt with their problem. I wasn't saying that, but ignoring the history of those parts of the world isn't a very good idea either. http://www.protestwarrior.com/newsletters/08_18_04.php Apart from the "democrats are incarnations of satan" implications in that text, it didn't really go into any history earlier that ~1990.
creator: NHJ BV
date: 2004-09-10T07:45:31-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: You want an example of what happens when you negotiate? Try N.Ireland, it's worked over there, we have both cease-fires and dis-armament programs set-up. People are actually sat down sorting out the problems instead of bombing the fuck out of Manchester. Do you know what we tried before that? Bush's approach, come down hard on them, beat them into submission, we did that for 600 years and it failed, yet less than a decade of negotiations has worked. Think about it.
creator: Phoenix - Aeon
date: 2004-09-10T15:12:01-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: I'm thinking that Islamic Extremists (who have and will hate the United States for what we stand for) are going to be a little harder to negotiate with. I don't know, it's just a hunch. Seeing as if we get close to any of them, they'll just blow themselves up. That makes it just a little bit harder to negotiate when you have that as a danger. BTW, a dude called in and said that to the host, and when I heard that I laughed.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2004-09-10T15:29:20-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: *goes up the list to find points to pick on* Damn, it's a whole stinkin' pile of it! Quote: Quote: In their warped way of thinking, America is the problem, not the solution. Wouldn't Republicans be closer to this way of thinking, like when Ronald Reagan called government the problem, not the solution? America is not the government. The government REPRESENTS America, but is never to be used as a synonym for it. Quote: Now, there were some weapons systems that come up on individual bills, like when the F-15 became out-dated, and needed to be cut, it would come up on a bill, and everyone would vote to cut funding to the plane because it was no longer needed. In the case of the F-15, the Defense Secretary who put it on the chopping block was none other than Dick Cheney. Ooh, fun, a bit about my favorite plane... FYI, the F-15 has been in operational service since the mid-70's. It has gone through several variants, including the original F-15A(single-seat air superiority fighter), F-15B(two-seat trainer), F-15C(the upgraded and current single-seat air superiotity fighter), F-15D(two-seat upgrade), and F-15E(two seat strike fighter). It remains in service and is still one of the most capable aircraft in the world, and second only to the MiG-25 in raw speed. Its replacement, the F-22, has not yet entered service. You must be talking about either an earlier variant or a particular production run, because the F-15 is still alive and kicking ass, and very much up-to-date. Quote: Have you, or have you not, said that we are the reason that the terrorists hate us? Because I can assure you that a lot of the world and most liberals believe it. You're trying to relate this very erroneously. Danger! Danger Will Robinson! That's a statement that is an unproven assumption. I know quite a few of what you would define as "liberals," and I can assure you that none of them believe the US brought terrorist attacks on itself. Most of them want to plant a load of high explosives up bin Laden…
creator: NukeIt15
date: 2004-09-10T19:48:36-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: You can try to play the easy game of "I'm not on either side"... but no one likes a fence-sitter. Of course I admit that Bush wasn't cast by the gods out of solid gold, but as far as what I need in a president and what I feel the country needs in a president, this man is the closest we have to fitting that bill. And because the Republican party says outright that they don't require everyone to fall 100% in line like sheep, I can be proud to BE a Republican and still disagree with some of their core principles (like gay marriage, as an example). Personally, I wouldn't want to ever be in combat, even though I love this country and am proud to be a citizen of it. I don't see it fit to fault someone for preferring to try and stay out of harm's way... especially in a such a horrible conflict such as Vietnam. Likewise I have a huge amount of respect and admiration for the ones who DID go out there and defend my right to my opinion, my right to vote, all the rights I have as an American citizen. But overall, leading an entire country, especially one with such a large influence over the world... to command an army as large as this one, requires more than 4 months, part of which was commanding a boat. Perhaps it does require one of the toughest MBA's in the country(world?) to get, the Harvard Masters in Business Administration. Commanding one of the highest, if not the highest position in the world requires more than 4 months in a boat... I need more than that. And what little I have heard of Kerry's stance doesn't reflect the ability to do what's best for everyone in the country. I can't hardly even get anyone to tell me why anyone should vote for Kerry without mentioning what they believe Bush has done wrong or isn't doing correctly in their opinions. One votes FOR a candidate, not AGAINST one. Furthermore, there is a difference between letting terrorism succeed, and being aware of the possibility of attacks. I do not get afraid when I enter a tall building or drive over a…
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-09-11T00:43:43-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Crimson One votes FOR a candidate, not AGAINST one. ...wha? I know a L O T of people who don't like Kerry but are voting for him anyway because they think he will make us less fucked than Bush will. The phrase "the lesser of two evils" comes to mind...
creator: Fabian
date: 2004-09-11T01:44:57-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: As I said in another post there is a serious lack of support for the greater of two evils. It's downright wrong. Since democrats are so nutz about affirmative action, and quotas, I say to dispell this anti-greater of two evils sentiment in the country, at least 50% of this years electoral votes should go to the Greater of the two evils. >: D MWAHAHAH How's that for proving our point.
creator: Doitle
date: 2004-09-11T02:07:18-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: What? Someone explain this one to me ^^
creator: Fabian
date: 2004-09-11T02:31:24-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Vote for Nader or do not vote at all.
creator: Vitaminous
date: 2004-09-11T02:48:00-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: SEAL Crimson One votes FOR a candidate, not AGAINST one. ...wha? I know a L O T of people who don't like Kerry but are voting for him anyway because they think he will make us less fucked than Bush will. The phrase "the lesser of two evils" comes to mind... Kerry should not feel good about that. Have you ever seen the movie head of state? Why would you want to win because you were hated slightly less? I would tell people if you are going to vote against the other guy, then don't bother voting at all.
creator: Nodbugger
date: 2004-09-11T13:36:14-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Well then tell people that. People have the right to vote for whatever reason(s) they choose, and the said reason is a perfectly valid one.
creator: Fabian
date: 2004-09-11T18:14:38-00:00

Zell Miller's an ass.
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description: Quote: You can try to play the easy game of "I'm not on either side"... but no one likes a fence-sitter. Of course I admit that Bush wasn't cast by the gods out of solid gold, but as far as what I need in a president and what I feel the country needs in a president, this man is the closest we have to fitting that bill. And because the Republican party says outright that they don't require everyone to fall 100% in line like sheep, I can be proud to BE a Republican and still disagree with some of their core principles (like gay marriage, as an example). That's funny. Last time I checked, fence-sitting was when you support both parties, jumping on whichever side is most popular or most likely to win. It requires being indecisive- I can assure you, I've already made up my mind. I won't vote for Kerry or Bush; neither one of them is fit to lead this country. I will search for another candidate who identifies with my views, and vote for them instead. I do believe, at last count, over 70 people were running for president; there must be one out there who would be a better choice for me than Bush or Kerry. I lack the virtue of compromise, so I will not make one by voting for a candidate who sees only a few issues the same way I do.
creator: NukeIt15
date: 2004-09-11T22:21:26-00:00