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Stop using Nader to win against the Democrats.
Do I really need to say anything else? Republicans helping him, secretly funding his campaign trying to make what happened a few years ago happen again. COME ON, CHOSE YOUR SIDE AND ARGUE FOR HOURS!
Nader's cut from the ballot in at least a couple states, an independent election company looked at all of Nader's signatures, and it turns out over 70% of them were false. Looks like the Republicans forgot to cover up their tricks.
70%?!? Do you have a source of that? I did read that a lot of registered republicans gave their signature to get Nader on the ballot's though (in some regions), which is pretty sad.
Democrats pulling nadar from the ballet is in my mind a crime. Its Naders right to run, this is THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, were we have a if you have the money you can run for president policy, and by running, you are not gonnna be fucked over by another party taht are stealing your votes by not putting you in the ballot. FACT: half of canadian teens think America is the devil. FACT: Canada will not allow fox news into canada because there afraid there people will see the truth. FACT: Because of these two FACTS aprimes view of the world and our polotics is probebly extreamly twisted. FACT: You must see both sides of news , left wing and right wing to really know how the world works and understand whats going on. Canadians have one
cowmisfit, FOX News is not the truth. It is one big batch of steaming hot crap. Foreign news is much better than American media. Pretending it isn't shows that you don't have the slightest inkling of what you are talking about.
SuperFlyingEngi cowmisfit, FOX News is not the truth. It is one big batch of steaming hot crap. Foreign news is much better than American media. Pretending it isn't shows that you don't have the slightest inkling of what you are talking about. Any News that isn't American pretty much hates America. They are all idiots. And you are wrong about FOX. I believe the correct figures are 64% of Canadian teens think America is a force of evil and 74% of French Canadian teens thinks America is a force of evil. Well lets see how evil they are when they are invaded by Turkey.
Nodbugger, you don't actually ever listen to or watch foreign news, do you? No, I was right about FOX. And how would Canada become evil if it is invaded by Turkey?
SuperFlyingEngi Nodbugger, you don't actually ever listen to or watch foreign news, do you? No, I was right about FOX. And how would Canada become evil if it is invaded by Turkey? Yes, I get British, German, Vietnamese, and Japanese news stations at my house. They are all dubbed over in English. You are wrong about FOX. And I meant 'Lets see how evil we are when Canada gets invaded by turkey' It is a joke. I was watching a comedy show one day and a guy was talking about Canada. I believe the joke went. 'What if Canada invaded some other country...like turkey. Look at that military strategy, lying dormant for 275 years. They show up in Turkey one day 'WERE TAKIN IT Fuckers, and we are renaming it CHICKEN!'
cowmisfit FACT: half of canadian teens think America is the devil. I can only speak for the teens that I work with at the base downtown, but most of them don't think America is evil. They think the man in change is a crook, and they're right. But that is as far as it goes. Quote: FACT: Canada will not allow fox news into canada because there afraid there people will see the truth. Ok, this is a blantant lie. "I" get FOXnews. And it spews out just about as much truth as CNN. Quote: FACT: Because of these two FACTS aprimes view of the world and our polotics is probebly extreamly twisted. Considering both are not true, does that mean that his "politics" are now extremely correct? Quote: FACT: You must see both sides of news , left wing and right wing to really know how the world works and understand whats going on. Canadians have one I suggest you throw an unbiased 3rd party into that mix. If you only listen to right-wing media, or you only listen to left-wing media, you will definately have a bias against the other. You'll question the content of the other and unequivocally believe everything that "your" media front puts out. A 3rd party source won't lie or construe information for either side.
http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/weinreb063004.htm You pay extra for FOX News, in many countries it comes with basic cable. In Canada you need a satellite dish.
Nodbugger I believe the correct figures are 64% of Canadian teens think America is a force of evil and 74% of French Canadian teens thinks America is a force of evil. Quote: In one telephone poll of teens between the ages of 14 and 18, over 40 per cent of the respondents described the United States as being "evil". That number rose to 64 per cent for French Canadian youth. I don't blame the French Canadians one bit given the reception that has been fairly common from your country toward many of their French heritage.
Nodbugger http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/weinreb063004.htm You pay extra for FOX News, in many countries it comes with basic cable. In Canada you need a satellite dish. Oh yes, :rolleyes: we need a satellite dish. Interesting, how I get FOX, and I don't have a dish! Jumping to conclusions again nodbugger. I'm starting to think this is your specialty!
warranto Nodbugger http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/weinreb063004.htm You pay extra for FOX News, in many countries it comes with basic cable. In Canada you need a satellite dish. Oh yes, :rolleyes: we need a satellite dish. Interesting, how I get FOX, and I don't have a dish! Jumping to conclusions again nodbugger. I'm starting to think this is your specialty! You are lying. http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/04/26/436740.html
Ahhh, the blame game begins again... Does it dawn on any of you that if Nader were "stealing" votes from Bush, it would be the Republicans bitching about him being on the ballot? And as far as I know, there's no law that explicitly forbids a candidate from running for President when he'll be taking votes away from one major party or the other. Major elections have been decided that way- Howard Taft was voted out of office because former President Theodore Roosevelt drew too many Republican votes, allowing Democrat Woodrow Wilson to be elected. Is Nader taking votes that otherwise would have gone to Kerry? Yes, of course he is. He's trying to get elected; naturally he's going to try to get all the votes he can. If you don't want him in office, don't fucking vote for him. It's that simple.
Nodbugger warranto Nodbugger http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/weinreb063004.htm You pay extra for FOX News, in many countries it comes with basic cable. In Canada you need a satellite dish. Oh yes, :rolleyes: we need a satellite dish. Interesting, how I get FOX, and I don't have a dish! Jumping to conclusions again nodbugger. I'm starting to think this is your specialty! You are lying. http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/04/26/436740.html Then please explain why I have the ability to watch it? Or, does KAYU - FOX Spokane not show FOX news?
Get freaking back on topic, NOW. We aren't talking about Canada here, we're talking about Nader being used by the Republicans to repeat what happened a few years ago.
warranto Nodbugger warranto Nodbugger http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/weinreb063004.htm You pay extra for FOX News, in many countries it comes with basic cable. In Canada you need a satellite dish. Oh yes, :rolleyes: we need a satellite dish. Interesting, how I get FOX, and I don't have a dish! Jumping to conclusions again nodbugger. I'm starting to think this is your specialty! You are lying. http://www.canoe.ca/NewsStand/TorontoSun/News/2004/04/26/436740.html Then please explain why I have the ability to watch it? Or, does KAYU - FOX Spokane not show FOX news? Wow....you are way too ignorant. That is FOX local news. Not FOX international news. You have obviously never watched FOX news.
Ah... yes, ignorance :rolleyes: Nowhere did anyone specify national news. All that was stated, was FOX news, no specification as to it being local or national. So, as I said, your wrong, we DO have FOX news. Next time, if you feel like argueing, make sure you specify what your arguing about :rolleyes:
warranto Ah... yes, ignorance :rolleyes: Nowhere did anyone specify national news. All that was stated, was FOX news, no specification as to it being local or national. So, as I said, your wrong, we DO have FOX news. Next time, if you feel like argueing, make sure you specify what your arguing about :rolleyes: It has FOX news on it, as in owned by FOX news, but you do not get the FOX news network. So no you were lying. You knew exactly which FOX News I was talking about. The station not the show.
I'm lying am I? Nodbugger You pay extra for FOX News, in many countries it comes with basic cable. In Canada you need a satellite dish. warranto (in a nutshell) We get FOX news, I have the ability to watch it without a satellite Please tell me where I lied there. you said FOX NEWS, I said FOX NEWS.
warranto I'm lying am I? Nodbugger You pay extra for FOX News, in many countries it comes with basic cable. In Canada you need a satellite dish. warranto (in a nutshell) We get FOX news, I have the ability to watch it without a satellite Please tell me where I lied there. you said FOX NEWS, I said FOX NEWS. I was talking about the network, and you knew that.
and I wasn't. I said we had Fox news.. so I ask again. Tell me where I lied. \And sorry about this Aprime, just continue with the debate at hand, this one shouldn't take much longer.
warranto and I wasn't. I said we had Fox news.. so I ask again. Tell me where I lied. \And sorry about this Aprime, just continue with the debate at hand, this one shouldn't take much longer. You are starting to sound like Michael Moore, saying facts but distorting them. STFU, you don't get FOX news and you get a biased point of a view and you are a dumfuck for it.
but I DO get fox news. Local spokane FOX news. And of course, not getting on TYPE of fox news automatically makes me biased :rolleyes: All praise one type of news cast! They know all! Praise their almighty glory!
You two need to argue over another medium.. like AIM or something. It is my belief that Nader is running either because he's stupid or he's intentionally taking votes. He should very well know he won't win, or really even get close.
lol, but ths way others can get involved. Besides, I have no use for IM programs, let alone want to put nodbugger on one.
Would you two quit arguing about semantics and get back on topic?
heh, blame nodbugger for the arguement. He's the one that kept fighting with us about the fox news thing. All I said was that Canada does get "fox news" and he proceded to, and continued to state that I had lied. Anyways topic dropped.
I think it's ignorant to believe this year's election will happen exactly like the 2000 election did. I don't support Nader being president, hence I wouldn't sign a petition for him to be on the ballot.
warranto heh, blame nodbugger for the arguement. He's the one that kept fighting with us about the fox news thing. All I said was that Canada does get "fox news" and he proceded to, and continued to state that I had lied. Anyways topic dropped. How old are you? 5? OMG HE STARTED!!111111 You kept arguing with him, therefore you aren't any better. Cowmisfit is a mobile stupidity generator, most of us already know this, there was no need to help him driving this subject off-topic by commenting on what he wrote. Oh, and when I'm speaking about Republicans I'm speaking of people with power in the Republican party... Also BIG Republican supporters (mostly groups who donate massive amounts of money to the party).
Hey, if he hadn't accused me of lying, none of this would have happened.
FYI, I've edited my post. Quote: Cowmisfit is a mobile stupidity generator, most of us already know this, there was no need to help him driving this subject off-topic by commenting on what he wrote.
Aprime FYI, I've edited my post. Quote: Cowmisfit is a mobile stupidity generator, most of us already know this, there was no need to help him driving this subject off-topic by commenting on what he wrote. LOL, glad you think that of me Aprime, and everyone else who thinks that of me. Once again, you can't ratinlize aprime, you just throw out insults OMG OMG IM STUPID, thats why im in 10th taking all 11th grade courses and A+ Certified and CISCO in a few months and only 16. IM SUCH A DUMBASS. :rolleyes: You used to be cool aprime, but since nitrous-oxides fell in you've had soemthing big long and hard shoved up your ass that you need to get out.
You've just done the exact same thing you criticized him for doing.
I intend to prove one or two fo thsoe facts you said were false true actually after i get soem sleep *just got off work two days of 8 hour in row * No i didn't read it again.
Yet another topic completely derailed by petty name-calling.... *sigh*
If the democrats didnt have such a weak position for being in the white house they wouldnt have a problem enough said.
Yeah, that's my opinion, too. If their position was so strong they wouldn't have to worry about some pissant candidate "taking their votes".
That being said Crimson, you have to remember that a great deal of the left still believe Bush rigged the election last time. I would bet those same people are trying to nip it in the bud. If only the bud existed.
I take it if it existed they'd state (can't resist) This Bud's for you?
warranto but I DO get fox news. Local spokane FOX news. And of course, not getting on TYPE of fox news automatically makes me biased :rolleyes: All praise one type of news cast! They know all! Praise their almighty glory! There's a big difference between Fox news stations, reporting on local\international news, and Fox News. http://www.foxnews.com/ Do you see that particular station, or not? If you don't, Nodbugger's point (however stupid he may be) is valid.
Crimson Yeah, that's my opinion, too. If their position was so strong they wouldn't have to worry about some pissant candidate "taking their votes". Bob Dole took away votes for George Bush Senior when he was running against Bill Clinton, I'm sure a great number of Republicans complained about that. So is their position weak, too?
SuperFlyingEngi Bob Dole took away votes for George Bush Senior when he was running against Bill Clinton, I'm sure a great number of Republicans complained about that. So is their position weak, too? Actually, they complained about Ross Perot. Big-eared motherfucker.
Aircraftkiller warranto but I DO get fox news. Local spokane FOX news. And of course, not getting on TYPE of fox news automatically makes me biased :rolleyes: All praise one type of news cast! They know all! Praise their almighty glory! There's a big difference between Fox news stations, reporting on local\international news, and Fox News. http://www.foxnews.com/ Do you see that particular station, or not? If you don't, Nodbugger's point (however stupid he may be) is valid. Fine.. I had considered the matter dropped, but if you want to continue, so be it. I in NO WAY referred to the Fox news channel. I in EVERY WAY referred simply to "FOX news". So please how stating this makes me biased, suggests that I lied, whatever. The station I submitted shows "Fox news", regardless of the type.
SuperFlyingEngi Crimson Yeah, that's my opinion, too. If their position was so strong they wouldn't have to worry about some pissant candidate "taking their votes". Bob Dole took away votes for George Bush Senior when he was running against Bill Clinton, I'm sure a great number of Republicans complained about that. So is their position weak, too? This Republican wouldn't complain. I mean, in my opinion, any idiot who votes Democrat is taking votes away from Republicans, too... what's the difference? I'll complain about a candidate based on their stance on the issues and past performance in public office. After all, this is really just the longest job interview with the most bosses/interviewees.
ViperFUD SuperFlyingEngi Bob Dole took away votes for George Bush Senior when he was running against Bill Clinton, I'm sure a great number of Republicans complained about that. So is their position weak, too? Actually, they complained about Ross Perot. Oh yeah, that's right. Well, the point remains.
Panther It is my belief that Nader is running either because he's stupid or he's intentionally taking votes. He should very well know he won't win, or really even get close. 1. I don't think Nader is stupid. Look at his education record. 2. I also don't think he is aiming to take votes away from anyone. And since he's not stupid, he knows he isn't going to win. He's out to make a statement, a statement that he's not going to give in to monopolized American politics, and that he will stand for what he believes. Look at all the criticism he's endured. I agree with knight1b and Crimson in that if the Democrats had a strong position to begin with they wouldn't look to blame everyone else for their problems. They did it in 2000 and they're doing it again this year. There's a poll analysis at http://prorev.com/green2000.htm that shows little connection between Gore and Nader votes. Quote: In the close Florida race, there were similar results: statistically insignificant correlation when the Gore tally changed by only one or two points, but dramatic non-correlation when the change was bigger. For example, in nine successive surveys in which Nader pulled only 2 or 3 points, Gore's total varied by 7 points. We know a candidate is not only made of his views, but his personality as well. Nader communicates his ideas more clearly, like Bush, than does Kerry (while the Senator explains why he supports both sides of whatever issue is at hand). Let's think about hypothetical Nader voters, if they had to vote for someone else -- would they all really want to listen to John Kerry play defensive all the time? While they would probably have more Democratic views, they still want a man of action, not dodgeball. Perhaps Kerry should back Nader, not the other way around.
Nader is a Independent in this Election and all he wants is the Presidentcy hes not helping Bush or Kerry.
You couldn't even be arsed to read what I wrote. Quote: Do I really need to say anything else? Republicans helping him, secretly funding his campaign trying to make what happened a few years ago happen again. You suck, Pak. Not only on IRC, but everywhere.
I'm a republican, but I don't support Nader. Nader and Arnold should switch to democracy, they act exactly like KERRY!!!
AlostSOul I'm a republican, but I don't support Nader. Nader and Arnold should switch to democracy, they act exactly like KERRY!!! I think you missed a lot of things.
AlostSOul I'm a republican, but I don't support Nader. Nader and Arnold should switch to democracy, they act exactly like KERRY!!! Don't disgrace my party by calling yourself a Republican, sw33t.
SuperFlyingEngi cowmisfit, FOX News is not the truth. It is one big batch of steaming hot crap. Foreign news is much better than American media. Pretending it isn't shows that you don't have the slightest inkling of what you are talking about. Funny how outsiders think they know how America is run and how it should be run. We are an independant country so quit trying to sway our elections. You all bitch about Republicans giving Nadar money? How about all these foreigners giving money to the Democrates, i.e. Perfect example, China and Clinton. I fail to see how foreign news is more reliable. Fox has been very honest in it's news. They have ripped both parties when needed. If you want bad new then you want CBS. Extremely obvious in their biased views. I am surprized no one has posted about their blatent attempt to commit fraud against the American public. /me wounders who mader those fake documents? 1. moveon.org? 2. The DNC? 3. The Kerry Camp? It has to be one of these three. If was anyone else that gave them the documents, they would have given the name of the source and hung them out to dry. But if word got out that any of the three mentioned did it, Kerry would be finished. Oh one other thing. I am glad we are closing down some of our bases in Europe. Funny how Germany started to cry about its defence and all the money they will be loosing.
Well, now they're tracing the forgery to a some Texan who runs "Texans for Truth" (or some such BS)... way to go, idiot.
K9Trooper Fox has been very honest in it's news. Good one.
http://www.outfoxed.org/
During the newscasts on the previous election FOX coverage said that Bush had won. This confused the fuck out of all the people who were still counting votes. As for the proof, meh, I can't be arsed digging it up, but all media corporations keep archives of their work so it is proovable.
Congratulations, you saw Fake-and-Hype 9/11... http://www.bowlingfortruth.com/fahrenheit911/foxcall.htm Here's the truth of the matter which is backed up with proof.
Hydra, don't be a dickhead. There is plenty of evidence of the biased reporting (thanks hydra ) of Fox News. The makers of OutFoxed aren't the first to think so either...
Don't just regurgitate the findings of someone else's work by just providing me with a link to some bogus "documentary" called OutFoxed. If there's plenty of evidence, you should be able to show me some yourself. P.S. Biasness=not a word
EVERYONE here is, in one way or another, regurgitating information from another source (see 3 posts above this one). I'm not neccessarily asking you to read up on the points that OutFoxed makes. Just the fact that an entire documentary has been made and devoted to critisizing Fox's reporting should be some kind of indication that Fox News should be looked at sceptically. People don't just randomly make documentaries for no good reason. Yes Crimson, even Micheal Moore, while cutting and editing to skew information, brought the Bush administration under the microscope for a reason. Since I'm not going to set up a whole research team to look at statistical data regarding Fox News--what this so called "bogus" doumentary did--I can only show someone so much. When I sit down and watch Fox News, I am continually disgusted by phrases like "Only 160 days until you can re-elect Bush..." (referring to number of days left before election). Somehow, when I watch CNN or CBS news, that feeling of biased reporting is gone...hmm...
SEAL When I sit down and watch Fox News, I am continually disgusted by phrases like "Only 160 days until you can re-elect Bush..." (referring to number of days left before election). That is what Sean Hannity sometimes says when the show "Hannity & Colmes" comes out of a commercial break. He says it really as a joke to Alan Colmes sitting to his left. "Hannity & Colmes" is an opinion show. Hannity gets paid to express his opinion. It is not his job to report the news; it's his job to comment on it and express his own opinions about the news. He is a news commentator, not a news reporter. That's like saying CNN is biased because James Carville expresses his opinion on Crossfire. Sean Hannity's opinion is no proof of bias in Fox's reporting. Quote: Somehow, when I watch CNN or CBS news, that feeling of biased reporting is gone...hmm... That's because they're biased in more subtle ways. (That was a joke; I can't be bothered to post proof right now ) Aprime1 Don't hijack my topic, kthx. No, SEAL and I are taking it and running with it, and there's nothing you can do to stop us!!!!! NYAH
It's more difficult to see bias when it's on your side.
Quote: Somehow, when I watch CNN or CBS news, that feeling of biased reporting is gone...hmm... Probably because you're seeing what you want to see, instead of the opposite.
So maybe people that don't think that Fox News is biased are just seeing what they want to see... It really adds nothing to the argument.
Except that I never said I thought Fox News was unbalanced.
Sorry Crimson, I was talking to hydra and Ack. I'll be more specific next time.
I've had no opinion either way on Fox News, the only time I ever see evidence of bias in their programming is during the "my word" segments or during an opinion debate show like The O'Reilly Factor.