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I hate Deezer Studios. They have now come down to the point of hiding behind the legality of the permissions granted by Electronic Arts to justify the blatant theft and manipulation of the logo belonging to the company that we all hold dear to us. It's absolutely mind-numbing to consider the fact that this group of numbskulls have actually gotten desperate enough to steal the talent invested by the parent company of these mods. Words couldn't possibly express the amount of hatred and disgust that I have for DS now. They've stolen the Deezire name. They've stolen the Westwood Studios logo. It's over. The mere fragment of respect that I held for the dev team as people is now long gone. I'll paste a log. (20:25:44) (Steppo) RENARDIN (20:25:54) (+Steppo) YOU HAVE A LOT OF GODDAMN EXPLAINING TO DO (20:25:58) (Renardin) I invite to see some new models http://www.cncreborn.de ( look at forum ) site will be updated tommorow. (20:26:15) (Renardin) tell me steppo (20:26:24) (+Steppo) First, you guys rip off Deezire with this "Deezer Studios" deal (20:26:26) (+Steppo) THEN (20:26:33) (+Steppo) You fucking RIP OFF OF WESTWOOD'S LOGO (20:26:39) (Renardin) ok (20:26:41) (+Steppo) NO! (20:26:43) (Renardin) I explain (20:26:45) (+Steppo) NO I DONT THINK YOU UNDERSTAND! (20:26:46) (+Steppo) RIPPED (20:26:47) (+Steppo) OFF (20:26:48) (+Steppo) THE (20:26:48) (+Steppo) WS (20:26:49) (+Steppo) LOGO! (20:26:51) (@Aircraftkiller) loooooool (20:27:01) (Renardin) we are hosted on EA server. Our logo is legal and supported by EA. (20:27:14) (Renardin) second : deezer stuff (20:27:16) (+Steppo) I DONT GIVE A SHIT! (20:27:17) (+Steppo) NO! (20:27:21) (Renardin) I didn't create deezer (20:27:24) (Renardin) I joined them (20:27:25) (+Steppo) YOU CAN STOP THE RUNNING OF YOUR MOUTH RIGHT THERE! (20:27:35) (Renardin) so I don't know from where is this name (20:27:41) (Renardin) And I don't really care (20:27:43) (+Steppo) I don't give a shit if GOD gave you permission to take the WS logo! (20:27:51) (+Steppo) Do you see anyone else taking it? (20:27:51) (Renardin) I don't even know what is deezire. (20:27:52) (+Steppo) NO? (20:27:58) (+Steppo) That's because YOU'RE NOT WESTWOOD!! (20:28:14) (Renardin) no (20:28:17) (+Steppo) Now, i want you to go through your closet. Find a coat-hanger (20:28:21) (+Steppo) stretch it out real long-like (20:28:26) (+Steppo) AND SHOVE IT THROUGH YOUR SKULL! (20:28:53) (+Steppo) The simple fact that you even REMOTELY considered taking the Mighty WS logo makes me sick to my stomach (20:29:12) (+Steppo) You have gotten to the point where you no longer even have the talent to get your OWN GODDAMN LOGO (20:29:14) (@Aircraftkiller) He's ignoring you Steppo (20:29:15) (+Steppo) YOU HAVE TO STEAL IT (20:29:16) (+Steppo) FROM WESTWOOD! (20:29:22) • +Steppo bangs his fist on the table (20:29:24) (+Steppo) GODDAMN IT (20:29:34) (Renardin) steppo (20:29:43) (@Aircraftkiller) You just know Steppo is going to rant about this on the radio (20:29:58) (+Steppo) What the hell possessed you to pull <that> shit? (20:29:58) (Renardin) U can talk, it won't change the fact that our logo is legal and approved. (20:29:59) (+Steppo) WHAT? (20:30:13) (+Steppo) Christ, what are you. Microsoft? (20:30:21) (+Steppo) Just because it's legal doesn't mean you SHOULD (20:30:26) (Renardin) If I was microsoft (20:30:41) (Renardin) I think some of teh guys here wouldn't be here. (20:30:43) (+Steppo) you have now blessed your own label with the integrity of Bill Gates at an Open Source conference (20:30:54) (+Steppo) Deezer Studios: We can't make our own goddamn logo! (20:31:07) (Renardin) as microsoft director... I will be on a beach with babes... (20:31:17) (+Steppo) AS A... WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT? (20:31:26) (+Steppo) COME BACK TO REALITY YOU TWO-BIT HACK! (20:31:33) (zimirken) ren are you thinking of microsoft or playoy (20:31:52) (Renardin) a little of both (20:32:09) (+Steppo) i am seriously shaking, i'm so goddamn pissed (20:32:23) (+Steppo) Look. You've put the final nail in the coffin, Renardin (20:32:26) (Renardin) sorry for that steppo (20:32:35) (Renardin) I didn't create that logo (20:32:41) (+Steppo) You went from absolutely rediculous mod... but you know what... that's ok... it was ORIGINAL (20:32:46) (Renardin) I didn't choose the name 'deezer' (20:32:51) (+Steppo) then you guys stole Deezire's name (20:32:53) (+Steppo) THEN (20:32:58) (+Steppo) YOU STOLE THE FUCKING WESTWOOD STUDIOS LOGO (20:32:59) (+Steppo) WESTWOOD (20:33:01) (+Steppo) STUDIOS (20:33:02) (+Steppo) LOGO (20:33:05) (+Steppo) STOLE IT (20:33:07) (+Steppo) AS IN (20:33:10) (+Steppo) TAKEN WHAT ISN'T YOURS (20:33:11) (WuRmRaT) Steppo: im sorry to say this but (20:33:14) (Renardin) don't call it : fucking westwood logo (20:33:18) (Renardin) I like this logo (20:33:24) (Renardin) have some respect. (20:33:31) (+Steppo) Of COURSE you do, Renardin! ITS NOT YOURS! (20:33:39) (Renardin) WS is not (20:33:41) (Renardin) DS is. (20:33:47) (WuRmRaT) Steppo: its not yours either (20:33:53) (+Steppo) that's not the point Wurm (20:33:55) (+Steppo) the point is (20:34:02) (+Steppo) Deezer took the WS logo design (20:34:09) (+Steppo) and made their own logo look EXACTLY like it (20:34:10) • Renardin put steppo on ignore list. sorry dude, you aren't chill. (20:34:31) (+Steppo) Vanilla Ice got nailed for making a song that "Sort of" sounded like someone else's (20:35:14) (Renardin) hey to steppo (20:35:28) (+Steppo) i can only pray so hard that God will one day backhand you for being so freakin ignorant (20:35:30) (Renardin) Isn't Renegade Alert logo ripped of Renegade logo ?????????? (20:35:38) (Renardin) OMG u STEAL IT !!! (20:35:38) (Renardin) lol (20:35:46) (Renardin) better think before talking. (20:35:48) (+Steppo) thats not even remotely the point (20:35:53) (+Steppo) if you took the TibSun logo (20:35:55) (+Steppo) to do reborn (20:35:56) (Renardin) it's the same problem. (20:35:58) (+Steppo) that would be fine (20:36:00) (+Steppo) NO! (20:36:03) (Renardin) lol (20:36:09) (Renardin) omg omg (20:36:10) (+Steppo) You guys ATTEMPT to make yourselves look like a "Real" dev team (20:36:15) (+Steppo) first there's Deezer Studios, now this (20:36:16) (Renardin) they stealed renegade logo (20:36:21) (Renardin) lol (20:36:23) (Renardin) now (20:36:42) (Renardin) all your arguments becomes suddenly : CRAP ! (20:36:49) (Renardin) steppo : OWNED. (20:36:53) (+Steppo) Renardin: your whole operation is suddenly "Crap" (20:36:56) (+Steppo) so dont' even start that shit with me (20:37:11) (+Steppo) You have stolen the Westwood Logo (20:37:21) (+Steppo) i now think LESS of westwood, and LESS of EA for even ALLOWING you to do so (20:37:27) (Renardin) You have stolen the Renegade Logo (20:37:31) (@Aircraftkiller) lol (20:37:32) (@Aircraftkiller) Steppo (20:37:37) (@Aircraftkiller) He thinks you represent RA (20:37:40) (Renardin) lol (20:37:40) (+Steppo) ROFL! (20:37:44) (+Steppo) I have NOTHING to do with that team (20:37:45) (Renardin) at least (20:37:48) (Renardin) we all laugh (20:37:57) (Renardin) that's a good point (20:38:21) (+Steppo) i am bashing DS, and not in the name of RA (20:38:32) (Renardin) i know that steppo (20:38:38) (+Steppo) i'm bashing it because you people took something that's not rightfully, by all rights and purposes of the C&C community, yours. (20:38:43) (Renardin) but bashing for some logo is silly. (20:38:47) (+Steppo) no, it's not (20:38:55) (+Steppo) it reflects poorly upon you and the rest of Deezer (20:39:11) (+Steppo) i could understand a specific title's rip (20:39:15) (+Steppo) that's almost appropriate (20:39:26) (+Steppo) because it gives the idea that the mod and the game have something in common (20:39:37) (Renardin) oh... shit. I think I can live with that...... (20:39:38) (+Steppo) but to blatantly rip off a company's logo, in order to promote your own, is both wrong and stupid. (20:40:02) (Renardin) I don't fucking care (20:40:03) (+Steppo) there's no THINKING about it (20:40:07) (+Steppo) this should be a NO-BRAINER (20:40:20) (+Steppo) You take someone else's logo, you are immediately thought of as a hack (20:40:22) (+Steppo) plain and simple (20:40:32) (Renardin) and (20:40:45) (Renardin) if it's legal... (20:40:49) (Renardin) and it is. (20:41:01) (+Steppo) it's the ETHICS behind it (20:41:03) (Renardin) It does for me. (20:41:10) (Renardin) steppo (20:41:13) (Renardin) it's a game (20:41:15) (+Steppo) you can hide behind "It's legal" all you want (20:41:18) (Renardin) and a mod for a game (20:41:21) (Renardin) chill out (20:41:32) (+Steppo) i really dont' think it's clicking with you (20:41:38) (Renardin) don't make your life around that (20:41:49) (+Steppo) I have been a fan of Westwood since Dune II (20:41:55) (+Steppo) i have never associated the company with bullshit (20:41:56) (Renardin) as I am (20:42:03) (+Steppo) but now that you've done this, I am now FORCED to do so (20:42:08) (Renardin) oh (20:42:14) (Renardin) we arrive to the point (20:42:29) (Renardin) bullshit... (20:43:00) (Renardin) ok I ignore you steppo. (20:43:06) (+Steppo) Renardin: get the fuck out of here. You have no place here. (20:43:27) (Renardin) Nobody of the 3 ignored guys told me a single good or constructive argument. (20:43:42) (+Steppo) ROFL! (20:43:49) (Renardin) they insult me (20:43:50) (+Steppo) NO GOOD OR CONSTRUCTIVE ARGUMENT? (20:43:57) (+Steppo) Translation: Tell me i'm doing a good job! You guys have the jist of it. I can barely think straight right now. I'll post more later.
Thieves...tisk tisk...what fucking morons. Even if you were a part of RA, Steppo, it's completely different. Renegade Alert is DIRECTLY related to Renegade, while Deezer Studios is indirectly related to Westwood in the idea that they are a "dev" team and are working on a game that Westwood created. There is no direct relation between them, therefore making it a COMPLETELY different situation. Renardin, your logic is flawed. *buzzer* Sorry, you lose. Thanks for playing.
Wow, Steppo - I think you overreacted something major.
I don't think he's overeacting. The bastards first desecrate Deezire Studios, a mod team known for it's excellent modifications of the C&C RTS games. How? Deezer Studios, a dumb name designed to make people say "OGM ITZ SIMILAR 2 DEEZIRE SO IT KUTS BEE GUD!!11" Second, they go ahead and blatantly RIP OFF the Westwood logos, simply to make their mod seem like it's of Westwood quality. It was fine when they used the Tiberian Sun motto to promote, because they are showing what game they are altering. But when they take the logo of the same company that created the game for them, that's where I draw the line. Not only is are they creating an ass of themselves, they are tainting the very name of Westwood Studios. Steppo has a right to be this angry. He's followed the C&C community since the original C&C, not to mention held Westwood Studios in such high regard. If I were in his shoes, I would be very pissed off as well.
Steppo seems like he is foaming at the mouth in a fit of rage and nerdish passion. WS was great, but it's just a dead company. I can't stand it when people say "rest in peace" to WS as if it were a human being. Get your priorities straight. To love WS so much like that is not normal... Try focusing the majority of your love and affection on other human beings. Ya know...human contact and interaction?
Are we talking about the same company that produced all the great C&C Games (excluding Generals, but you can hardly call it "great")? Westwood created one of the greatest game series, and to some, THE greatest game series ever created. There should be and there is a respect for them. EA maliciously closed WS and now EA is fucking over the memory of WS by pissing on it by letting that "dev" team called Deezer use, nay, steal the WS logos. EA is evil and they just don't give a fuck, and it also shows that Deezer doesn't give a fuck either. It's not just the fact that they stole the logos, but it's the fucking Ethics of taking property of another. So what, it was "legally" given to them. It's just like a parent taking a toy out of their kid's room and giving it to someone else. "Legally" it's alright, but it's not ethically right.
SEAL Steppo seems like he is foaming at the mouth in a fit of rage and nerdish passion. WS was great, but it's just a dead company. I can't stand it when people say "rest in peace" to WS as if it were a human being. Get your priorities straight. To love WS so much like that is not normal... Try focusing the majority of your love and affection on other human beings. Ya know...human contact and interaction? Buddy, anytime you want to make a valid argument, I'm all ears. Try bringing it to faces. I'm sure you have a favorite band. Now picture someone blatantly ripping off that band's name, and trying to ride it into fame. Now put yourself in a position where you have an opportunity to tell the leader of this rip-off band to go and shove his microphone up his ass. Would you do it? Of course you would. Same concept here. Beyond that, your post is nothing but trying to insult me personally for being a fan of Westwood Studios and video games in general. If that's what you're attempting, then I recommend you stay in the Reborn Forums with the rest of the diluted tardkarts.
Last time I checked, it was socially acceptable to have a favorite band and be passionate about it. If I were to go to school and start talking about how some kids were ripping off "my favorite video game company", I would just get odd looks. It was wrong what "Deezer" did, there is no arguing that. But you ought to take the rage down a notch. Or maybe take an anger managment course...
SEAL If I were to go to school and start talking about how some kids were ripping off "my favorite video game company", I would just get odd looks. That's because it's in a different crowd, but if you were to go to your LAN club and say that you're mad about them ripping off your favorite game company, you won't get odd looks. It's basically the same as me going to a club and talking about how this guy, Aircraftkiller is a Grammar Nazi. I, of course, am gonna get weird looks, but if I were to take it here, I may be flamed, but people won't look at me like I'm crazy. Like Steppo said, we're all ears when you decide to make valid points.
Touche. However, I stand by my "Steppo's rage problem" point. That log was a little over the top.
Just another "look at me, I'm angry!" l-ACK-ey Does anyone give a damn, really?
SEAL Touche. However, I stand by my "Steppo's rage problem" point. That log was a little over the top. I agree with you on this, but to a point. Steppo, in my opinion, is overreacting to this, but I share a part of the same disgust for the "Deezer Studios' team. Westwood had a great series out until EA decided to end the company and pretty much throw the C&C name down the toilet with Generals. I don't approve of them stealing the company's logos even if it was "legally" allowed.
KIRBY098 Just another "look at me, I'm angry!" l-ACK-ey ROFL! That's almost too funny to reply to! I have no loyalties toward Ack, or any of the RenAlert team. I love it how people instantly assume that because I feel that Reborn is godawful, and the Deezer Studios team is a bunch of common thieves, that I'm instantly some sort of RenAlert fanboy. Tell me, is there any post, anywhere, that I made that explains an unhealthy attraction towards the RenAlert mod? Perhaps some sort of blind profession of loyalty and faith towards Aircraftkiller or any of his team members? No? I didn't think so. Don't start running your mouth about stuff that you don't have a clue about.
Steppo KIRBY098 Just another "look at me, I'm angry!" l-ACK-ey ROFL! That's almost too funny to reply to! I have no loyalties toward Ack, or any of the RenAlert team. I love it how people instantly assume that because I feel that Reborn is godawful, and the Deezer Studios team is a bunch of common thieves, that I'm instantly some sort of RenAlert fanboy. Tell me, is there any post, anywhere, that I made that explains an unhealthy attraction towards the RenAlert mod? Perhaps some sort of blind profession of loyalty and faith towards Aircraftkiller or any of his team members? No? I didn't think so. Don't start running your mouth about stuff that you don't have a clue about. From Renalert public forums: "Steppo is quite honestly the king of online comedy. He is the man. That rant was hilarious, and still is." AircraftKiller " 1.) If Aircraftkiller is responsible for Armageddon, then I claim the apocalypse. Cuz NOBODY causes death and destruction like me." "Note: That was my Rant that Aircraftkiller quoted. That's right. The entire post. It says so up top... and in the damn title. " "Excellent job, Aircraftkiller." "And then Aircraftkiller, in all his modding might and glory, wrought apocalypse upon this thread, and then shoved it in the Garbage Can. The End. " "After my original Anti-Reborn post flurry, made about three to four months ago (Which has been said, by many, to spark the original RenAlert/Reborn war), the time has come to observe the progressions of each mod." Steppo I'm not really banking much on the previous releases of Renalert... or ANY release for that matter. Simply having to point out that RenAlert installs properly and Reborn does not is bad enough. I don't play RenAlert, really. So i can't make TOO much of a comparison. I play when Ack asks me to... but that's about it. All my hopes resided on Reborn. But as it stands, they failed miserably. No affiliation, eh? Care to retort? I couldn't help but notice that Ack is the only one laughing at your self indulgence in that log, which you made sure to leave in. You are just another on a long list of boot licking l-ACK-eys.
I know I could retort for him, it wouldn't be that hard. "Steppo is quite honestly the king of online comedy. He is the man. That rant was hilarious, and still is." AircraftKiller Tell me if I'm wrong, but this is Aircraftkiller stating an opinion about steppo. I fail to see in any way how it would show steppo having "blind loyalty" or obsession with RenAlert OR Aircraftkiller. " 1.) If Aircraftkiller is responsible for Armageddon, then I claim the apocalypse. Cuz NOBODY causes death and destruction like me." Once again, all this says is that steppo is better than Aircraftkiller at causing "death and destruction". Once again nothing about loyalty or obsesion with anything related to RenAlert. "Note: That was my Rant that Aircraftkiller quoted. That's right. The entire post. It says so up top... and in the damn title. " So? He made a rant against Reborn. All he's saying here is that it's what Aircraftkiller quoted. With that logic if some terrorist got ahold of something you stated, you would be a terrorist cohort yourself, right? "Excellent job, Aircraftkiller." Oh yes, complimenting someone on somthing they did automatically make you a fanboy of them :rolleyes:. "And then Aircraftkiller, in all his modding might and glory, wrought apocalypse upon this thread, and then shoved it in the Garbage Can. The End." So? When does making an observation about what someone does make them automatically loyal to the person they observed? You have a real logic problem here. Stop supporting terrorism kirby, because I'm sure you have made comments about the world trade center and what those resonsible have done. "After my original Anti-Reborn post flurry, made about three to four months ago (Which has been said, by many, to spark the original RenAlert/Reborn war), the time has come to observe the progressions of each mod." Oh yes, checking the progress of each mod DEFINATLY means he has an unhealthy attraction to RenAlert or it's team members.
warranto I know I could retort for him, it wouldn't be that hard. "Steppo is quite honestly the king of online comedy. He is the man. That rant was hilarious, and still is." AircraftKiller Tell me if I'm wrong, but this is Aircraftkiller stating an opinion about steppo. I fail to see in any way how it would show steppo having "blind loyalty" or obsession with RenAlert OR Aircraftkiller. " 1.) If Aircraftkiller is responsible for Armageddon, then I claim the apocalypse. Cuz NOBODY causes death and destruction like me." Once again, all this says is that steppo is better than Aircraftkiller at causing "death and destruction". Once again nothing about loyalty or obsesion with anything related to RenAlert. "Note: That was my Rant that Aircraftkiller quoted. That's right. The entire post. It says so up top... and in the damn title. " So? He made a rant against Reborn. All he's saying here is that it's what Aircraftkiller quoted. With that logic if some terrorist got ahold of something you stated, you would be a terrorist cohort yourself, right? "Excellent job, Aircraftkiller." Oh yes, complimenting someone on somthing they did automatically make you a fanboy of them :rolleyes:. "And then Aircraftkiller, in all his modding might and glory, wrought apocalypse upon this thread, and then shoved it in the Garbage Can. The End." So? When does making an observation about what someone does make them automatically loyal to the person they observed? You have a real logic problem here. Stop supporting terrorism kirby, because I'm sure you have made comments about the world trade center and what those resonsible have done. "After my original Anti-Reborn post flurry, made about three to four months ago (Which has been said, by many, to spark the original RenAlert/Reborn war), the time has come to observe the progressions of each mod." Oh yes, checking the progress of each mod DEFINATLY means he has an unhealthy attraction to RenAlert or it's team members. Rationalize it as necessary. It all adds up to a fan-boy mentality. And no, commenting on Renalert quality is not an automatic categorizer, but then again, how many times do you see other Renalert team members mentioned? I only see Ack. This isn't about renalert. I couldn't help but notice you failed to post your observations on the last item. Hard to refute, isn't it?
Not hard to comment on, just thought it unnecessary. But if you so desire it... What does it really matter? He doesn't play RenAlert unless asked to. I guess it's completely impossible that it may just be that it's Aircraftkiller that likes steppo, right? I guess is your ever-so-boring anti-everything Aircraftkiller, you'd actually fail to consider something that falls outside of that relm. I can't really comment your your "no affiliation" question as I fail to see how that fits in though... all I can assume is that you mean he's affiliating himself with RenAlert simply by playing the game, or affiliating himself with Aircraftkiller by playing with him. I just LOVE your logic kirby, it's not terrorism this time that you support, but you openly affiliate yourself with cheaters! You play the same game with them, so it must be true! Infact we all do! As for the logs, Aircraftkillers comments strengthen Steppo's as he is the primary anti-Reborn-use of-the-WS-logo person. I wasn't there, so I can't say if it just so happened that no one else spoke, but it could be a possibility. If there are other topic-related comments included, it may have been dishonest not to include them, but it in no way shows "blind loyalty and faith" towads Aircraftkiller. Oh, and I await the eventual "fan boy" comment from you, seeing as how I'm "defending" Steppo and all.
Your logic comparisons are irrelevant and totally out of context. As for the examples I posted, they clearly show a pattern of relationship between the two, thus an agenda. It's irrelevant that he plays games with him. I have played Renegade with Ack in the past. It's that he was INVITED to play. That speaks of exactly the very relationship he asked me to prove existed as "unhealthy". In the context of REBORN bashing, I would say that is VERY relevant. One last item: I don't detest everything Ack. I detest the aloof, and self righteous nature that would tear down any other modification in this community. Name one that he supports, or has posted positive comments on. I actually like the Renalert product. But there's more to Renalert than just Ack, and he needs to remember that one person isn't a whole team, and Renardin, and Angel of Dawn aren't REBORN.
KIRBY098 From Renalert public forums: "Steppo is quite honestly the king of online comedy. He is the man. That rant was hilarious, and still is." AircraftKiller Yes, Ack finds it hilarious that I hate Reborn so much. So where's the part where I'm supposed to be this brain-dead fanboy that you fantasize about? Quote: " 1.) If Aircraftkiller is responsible for Armageddon, then I claim the apocalypse. Cuz NOBODY causes death and destruction like me." In many cases, Acks arguments through either attacking Reborn, or defending RenAlert, lack any sort of evidence or factual foundation. I'd say that 99-100% of my arguments are felt throughout the community and/or are backed up by fact. (Thus the quotes). Quote: "Note: That was my Rant that Aircraftkiller quoted. That's right. The entire post. It says so up top... and in the damn title. " I ranted. He quoted it. What's your point? Quote: "Excellent job, Aircraftkiller." I think that was from the post where he showed off one of his maps (Don't remember which.) And I thought it was well done. What's your point? Complementing on a well-done map means instant fanboyism? Quote: "And then Aircraftkiller, in all his modding might and glory, wrought apocalypse upon this thread, and then shoved it in the Garbage Can. Satire. LOOK IT UP. It was a crappy thread that went nowhere. It was bound to be locked. So I smeared it in satire. What's the issue? Quote: "After my original Anti-Reborn post flurry, made about three to four months ago (Which has been said, by many, to spark the original RenAlert/Reborn war), the time has come to observe the progressions of each mod." Steppo I'm not really banking much on the previous releases of Renalert... or ANY release for that matter. Simply having to point out that RenAlert installs properly and Reborn does not is bad enough. And thank you for proving my point. Quote: I don't play RenAlert, really. So i can't make TOO much of a comparison. I play when Ack asks me to... but that's about it. All my hopes resided on Reborn. But as it stands, they failed miserably. No affiliation, eh? That's right. I told Ack that I was intending on creating a case-by-case review of both Reborn and RenAlert. It was then that Ack offered to play a few rounds of the latest release of RenAlert. I accepted. You make it sound like he's my best friend or something. Or that I signed some sort of Contractual NDA designed so that all I'd do is bash Reborn. Quote: Care to retort? I couldn't help but notice that Ack is the only one laughing at your self indulgence in that log, which you made sure to leave in. Go find someone with the "Full" log. You'll find that the only other related quotes in there was some useless rambling by some "Wan"-something guy, saying things like "It's not your logo, Steppo. So you have no argument." And a bunch of /emotes and Admin messages. Quote: You are just another on a long list of boot licking l-ACK-eys. You are just another on a long list of people who don't know what the hell they're talking about. Simply by pointing out that half the quotes you have posted AGAINST me, have actually PROVEN MY POINT, is pretty evident on its own that you really need to watch your mouth. Quote: As for the examples I posted, they clearly show a pattern of relationship between the two, thus an agenda. Whoa. He IMs me, and therefore I am part of the s00per-seekrit anti-reborn militia! OMGOMGOMG! Sure pal, go stick your conspiracy theories somewhere else.
In my opinion copying the WS logo design wasn't really smart. Where's the originality?
Let's see, did I make those quotes up, or did you post them? Oh, that's right, you did. You asked for one instance, I provided SEVEN. I did not refer to Ack's egging you on in the log to show the INVALIDITY of the log, only to show that there is a parallel thought pattern in the bashing. You know what that log shows? It shows Renardin conducting himself in an adult manner, Ack giggling like a little girl, and you going off about absolutely nothing important at all. Who cares? NO ONE but you. Renardin wins, and you come off as an ass. Your non-descript attempts to slough these quotes off are pathetic, and I disregard them as such. It's clearly evident you both are looking for one another's approval.
KIRBY098 Your logic comparisons are irrelevant and totally out of context. As for the examples I posted, they clearly show a pattern of relationship between the two, thus an agenda. It's irrelevant that he plays games with him. I have played Renegade with Ack in the past. It's that he was INVITED to play. That speaks of exactly the very relationship he asked me to prove existed as "unhealthy". In the context of REBORN bashing, I would say that is VERY relevant. One last item: I don't detest everything Ack. I detest the aloof, and self righteous nature that would tear down any other modification in this community. Name one that he supports, or has posted positive comments on. I actually like the Renalert product. But there's more to Renalert than just Ack, and he needs to remember that one person isn't a whole team, and Renardin, and Angel of Dawn aren't REBORN. Wow, a relationship. Steppo bashes Reborns incompetance, causing Aircraftkiller to talke a liking to him. Yup that definately shows an unhealthy relationship to RenAlert. The fact alone that it was Aircraftkiller who invited Steppo, and not the other way around would show evidence that Steppo is not a"fan-boy". As for the completely off-topic idea that Aircraftkiller doesn't have anything good to say about other modifications, I have no proof to show contrary to that, nor am I going to attempt to find anything as it has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion at hand. Your right though, one preson doesn't make up a team (though that should also be explained in the Reborn forum), however one person can and does affect the public image of the entire team. If someone shuts down a bet ateam because of "excessive negative feedback" it doesn't matter who else is on the team, people are going to notice and relate that experiance to the entire team rather than one person.
KIRBY098 there is a parallel thought pattern in the bashing. Which means what? That we have a similar thought pattern towards Reborn? What's the part where you connect that to... oh I dunno... anything? Quote: You know what that log shows? It shows Renardin conducting himself in an adult manner, Ack giggling like a little girl, and you going off about absolutely nothing important at all. If by "Renardin conducting himself in an adult manner", you mean "Defends theft of intellectual property by claming 'legality' by Electronic Arts". Then yes, I'd say he quite efficiently conducted himself in an adult manner. I have no argument about Ack giggling like a schoolgirl. That frightens me too. Quote: Who cares? NO ONE but you. Then you're posting... because... what? Just in the mood to flame someone who actually has a strong opinion about something? Quote: Renardin wins, and you come off as an ass. 1.) Sure, he wins. That's why they're changing the logo as we speak. 2.) An ass? Ok, I want you to go take a popular CD, then burn a copy, and claim that you were the one who did all the lyrics, singing, etc. Then tell me who looks like an ass. If you mean to call me an asshole, then you're only stating the obvious. I have no shame in being one of the loudest sons of bitches in the C&C community. Get used to it, or move along. Quote: Your non-descript attempts to slough these quotes off are pathetic, and I disregard them as such. Sucks when I hand your ass over to you on a silver platter with all the trimmings, doesn't it? Quote: It's clearly evident you both are looking for one another's approval. Sure, because I'd die if I wasn't given Ack's approval in something. It makes my world go around. Dude, you lose. Go home. Or eat some tuna. I hear that fish is good for the brain.
So much for the "ranter". I was really hoping this would be more of a challenge. My kid banging on the piano is really loud too. Doesn't mean she is playing anything worth listening to. Declaring yourself a title, and claiming a "win" in a forum debate aren't exactly hallmarks of intelligence. Neither is posting idotic chat logs stating how you feel wronged over intellectual property that you had NO involvement in developing, for a company that no longer exists. You need a little therapy, and a reality check. Oh, and here's you platter back. It looks like you will need it more than I.
Says the man who flames the people in the thread that he doesn't give a shit about. Dude, why don't you just say "Your mom!" and be done with the whole list of retarded "I lost and I hate it" retorts?
Steppo Says the man who flames the people in the thread that he doesn't give a shit about. Dude, why don't you just say "Your mom!" and be done with the whole list of retarded "I lost and I hate it" retorts? This just gets easier the longer I do it. That's the beauty of this schleppo. I have fun, and people like you get all bent out of shape. Lost? This isn't a contest. If it were, you would "lost" the second you clicked submit on the very first post. Maybee you should go be loud on the renalert forums again. They seem to think you "rant" like a pro. No accounting for taste I guess.
KIRBY098 This just gets easier the longer I do it. More or less because once you run out of valid points, which you did quite some time ago. You just start making stuff up as you go. Quote: That's the beauty of this schleppo. Whoa! Lost the typing skills there. Here, let me help you... it's S-t-e-p-p-o. Ok? Got that? Now we've gone from juvenile "You need therapy" jokes to "Let's see how badly we can contort someone's name and mock them for our own creativity!" I'm impressed. Quote: I have fun, and people like you get all bent out of shape. Who's getting bent out of shape? Pissant flamers like yourself don't get me upset. Especially when they just flounder around in random insults, as you have so skillfully displayed. Quote: Lost? This isn't a contest. If it were, you would "lost" the second you clicked submit on the very first post. See, there's the problem. There wasn't an issue here until we went from "Deezer has taken a logo." to just random, uncalled for flaming against the person who started the thread. You drew the line, I stepped across it. Your move. Quote: Maybee you should go be loud on the renalert forums again. They seem to think you "rant" like a pro. Maybe you shouldn't post anymore without thinking first. I think you talk out of your ass like a pro. Quote: No accounting for taste I guess. Whoa whoa wait a sec. At this point, I see 4 people agreeing with/defending my opinion, and either leaving it at that, or giving defending arguments. Then 3 people who gave no defending arguments other than not giving a shit in a thread that they continually posted in, or just up and flamed me. So do you mean to infer that taste resides in people just insulting other people for having a strong opinion on something, and then not backing up their own reasoning for flaming in the first place? Man, that's some messed up thought process right there. Anyway, it's obvious that people won't go to this thread anymore, because it's turned into a massive flame war. I'm just going to be the more mature person and back out of this. It's a game, that much is true. However it's a game developed by a company that I held in highest regards, and I feel justified in making such a big to-do about it. It must have worked, because Deezer is now working on a new logo, so the issue, and the argument that goes along with it, is over. Kirby, you go ahead and say what you want. I recommend we just drop this. If not, it's on your hands now.
KIRBY098 Just another "look at me, I'm angry!" l-ACK-ey Does anyone give a damn, really? That post is where this all came from. KIRBY098 Just another "look at me, I'm angry!" l-ACK-ey Why? Why did you feel the need to insult him? If I'm mistaken, he didn't make a derrogatory comment towards you, or even a comment directed towards you in this thread. KIRBY098 Does anyone give a damn, really? If you truly think that, why DID you post in this thread? If no one truly cared then this thread would have died on its own even without your comment. You are actually prolonging this thread's life by rebuttling everything that Steppo has to say. Steppo isn't helping his case, but he isn't the one who started this.
Ahem. What are you waiting for? Attack them with your leet typing machine! Come on guys! Let's get this so called "community" (yeah, even dictionary.com agrees with you all) even more divided! It's not like if Sole Survivor was any better than Reborn anyway! I mean, they even stole the Westwood introduction music! Yeah, Deezer's a blatant rip-off of Deezire, they stole the Westwood Studios logo design, and so did Dri Reign, so why aren't you "throwing eggs at them" everytime they pop-in the forums? Oh, I know, because of the historic rivalry between Reborn and RenAlert, I'm going on Blazer's side on this one: THERE'S NO ROOM FOR RIVALRY IN SUCH SMALL COMMUNITY! Yes, I trash-typed agains't Reborn before and therefore, I have no excuse for what I did, but now I look at this "community" with another eye, not one I bought at the blackmarket, my OTHER EYE, you know what I mean. Yeah, I also know that some of you will do their best to prove me "wrong", like they always prove others "wrong" in similar discussion, don't expect any replies to what they'll say from me.
Sole Survivor is miles better than Reeborune as it stands.
Steppo I'm just going to be the more mature person and back out of this. That,right there, is the most hilarious thing posted in this entire topic. A sudden epiphany?
bigejoe14 Sole Survivor is miles better than Reeborune as it stands. Which has what to do with their logo?
SEAL bigejoe14 Sole Survivor is miles better than Reeborune as it stands. Which has what to do with their logo? He just stated a fact. That's all.
SEAL And there was no point to doing so. There has been a lot of posts that have no point to this topic either.
Haha, Steppo doesn't actually lose his head over such matters. He is such a leet ranter that it is imperative that he rants as often as possible and entertain those present. I think ACK is more of a Steppo fanboy rather than the other way around. Steppo is l33t.
j_ball430 SEAL And there was no point to doing so. There has been a lot of posts that have no point to this topic either. Is that reason to add to it?
Crimson Haha, Steppo doesn't actually lose his head over such matters. He is such a leet ranter that it is imperative that he rants as often as possible and entertain those present. I think ACK is more of a Steppo fanboy rather than the other way around. Steppo is l33t. Lol thank ya Crimmy. <3 ya too!
SEAL j_ball430 SEAL And there was no point to doing so. There has been a lot of posts that have no point to this topic either. Is that reason to add to it? You seem to have added to it as well by making it a big deal of it. Then again, I'm at fault too. W3 R T3H L337 SPAMM0RZ!!!!!!oneone!!1one