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The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: The comments coming from an admin in my own community, IRC messages and conversations being had by those who I had considered my friends, and the attempt to place the responsibility of an application failing, on to our community..... basically has me speechless. I've read plenty of logs in the last 48 hours, and seen how we are treated when we choose server stability over running an application as an "ethical responsibility". I refuse to play games of politics, to see who can rub the most shoulders and get what they want. I will not let a few BHS members and their friends deride the good name of our community, because we are not doing something they wish that we were. I will make a public stand instead, and let everyone know why we don't condone these types of conversations. You believe you are making fun of the cheaters, but in reality, you are attempting to rub our noses in the fact that we aren't participating. I am sorry for folks like mac, and others, who have spent countless hours attempting to provide a solution for the community as a whole. But even they will stand up and acknowledge that there are certain issues with the software which they do not have answers for. Mac spent an entire evening last week, creating a version of the SSC for us which would go through the motions of kicking players, but not actually kick them, and the option to turn off the host messages on the server end too. He did this so we could work together to resolve the issue of the FDS kicking all 40 players and disconnecting the server 1 game after we start it up. Crimson, did you happen to discuss the results of all this with him? Did he tell you that it worked just as he anticipated. until we turned on the flag to again kick the players? At which point, it emptied our server and rebooted it..(again) You publicly proclaim that "The pits allows cheaters" and you'll be playing on another server. In the last few days, I've seen a number of comments from other "non regular" members who le…
creator: msgtpain
date: 2004-06-28T04:04:57-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Was this post really necessary? You and I both know it will probably end up in a big shit-slinging fest when the idiots come in to defend either side's honor over a dispute that was best left between the two parties, not the public.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2004-06-28T04:31:42-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: This post goes far beyond renguard giving you herpes.. There's more history in my contempt than that.
creator: msgtpain
date: 2004-06-28T04:33:11-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Quote: This post goes far beyond renguard giving you herpes.. I won't speak for Crimson, but with my dealings with her, she can be quite an understanding person. Did you try solving it personally, or did that already fail and I'm making an ass of myself?
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2004-06-28T04:39:34-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: No ack.. here lies the perfect example of my entire point. You, crimson, "genKozar" (her brother I presume) and anyone else that feels the need is 100% okay with coming to my server and publicly denouncing our choice to remove Renguard at this time. You have no problems with ridiculing us in public, on our own server; making comments about us "allowing cheaters" to play on our servers, making fun of our statements that RG is definately crashing our server, and attempting to persuade everyone who can read it that we are "being silly" And yet, you wish I would have confronted those involved in private. fuck that.. It was all of you that brought it public.
creator: msgtpain
date: 2004-06-28T04:44:57-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: I did that once and haven't said a word about it since then. When you removed it, and we got into a small word fight over it, I said that. I didn't mean it to be a "Hey, revolt against the pits" comment, it was more of an act of defiance against you for what you were saying to me. I don't know about the rest of them, but I do know that I'm guilty of one or two things in your list. The rest of it, especially making fun of you and your server because of RG crashing it, I am not accountable for. I also don't recall rudiculing you in public or in the server. All I remember saying is what I already told you.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2004-06-28T04:50:10-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: I'm not trying to get involved (haven't been playing quite recently, so this is new to me) but I have a biting question: Renguard seemed to be working fine shortly after June 1st, or whenever it was. I remember witnessing on the Pitts a full server with Renguard running for many times, and then Renguard stopped being run on the Pitts. That's all I know--what caused the instability to start?
creator: YSLMuffins
date: 2004-06-28T04:52:34-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: For some reason, RG keeps kicking people too often in quick succession. When this happens, it causes the server to restart because the FDS can't handle that many kicks in a short period of time.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2004-06-28T05:11:11-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: YSLMuffins Renguard seemed to be working fine shortly after June 1st, or whenever it was. what caused the instability to start? Because I have no working knowledge of Renguard, it's network, it's code, etc.. All I can do is describe symptoms which we see, and hope they can pinpoint where the problem is coming from. If renguard is started when there are people in the server, it doesn't seem to be able to "scan" them all right when it's started up. it waits between 10-30 minutes, and all I can assume is that "something" is fired, which tells it there are X number of people that need to be kicked, and it sends all the commands at once. In one swoop, the server goes from 40 players to 15 and then we get Westwood Online Connection Loss, and a restart. If the SSC loses connection to the master servers, the same happens when the connection is reestablished. The ONLY way the RG SSC works correctly is when IT is started first, THEN then FDS is started, THEN players join, and nothing ever loses connection to anything. Once the FDS loses connection to WOL and reboots, or the RG SSC loses connection to the master server, it all crashes in whichever way it wants, until someone logs in to the server, shuts everything down, starts the SSC again, then starts the FDS.. etc.. Unfortunately, this is simply not a solution to the problem.. it would be considered a band aid, and one that I am not interested in considering; therefore "I" allow cheaters on my server. Also.. it has to be said, for the benefit of those reading this thread, that I have absolutely NO contempt for the RG application, or those who have spent hundreds to thousands of hours to make it a reality. My problem lies in the way we (The Pits) are treated when we chose not to run this application, which we feel is simply not ready for prime time. If BHS and all of their wonderful coders chose to continue to spend their time working out the issues and eliminating these crashes, we have absolutely no qualms about running th…
creator: msgtpain
date: 2004-06-28T05:25:34-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Aircraftkiller For some reason, RG keeps kicking people too often in quick succession. When this happens, it causes the server to restart because the FDS can't handle that many kicks in a short period of time. Oh, that, I remember reading Crimson's comments on that one time. I thought it was solved already, so I am mistaken. :-\ Edit: included quote since this wound up after pain's post. PS: Gotta love Opera. I just had a freak power outage and EVERYTHING that I wrote was saved!
creator: YSLMuffins
date: 2004-06-28T05:25:40-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: msgtpain Because I have no working knowledge of Renguard, it's network, it's code, etc.. All I can do is describe symptoms which we see, and hope they can pinpoint where the problem is coming from... ... Well, I have not witnessed this myself so I won't comment on the matter further. But I will say that I'm rather touched at all of the efforts of BHS, and all of these problems to me just goes to show that Renguard needs some contributions...
creator: YSLMuffins
date: 2004-06-28T05:43:42-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: My brother's knowledge of the internals of RenGuard is limited at best, and Blazer and I often joke about people who blame everything on RenGuard. Someone was suspected to cheat on the Pits, someone else said "No, they run RenGuard", someone else corrected them, them my brother made some jokes about people who don't use RenGuard. As a result, one of the pits admins made "RenGuard" a swear word so that anyone who said it would be kicked. Personally I laughed my ass off at their jokes and thought it was over the line to start warning people for making jokes. As for my "public announcement", it's on my away message when I play Renegade that I'm not going to play on the server until RenGuard is back. I do not find it fun to play on a server where I have to wonder if the person who killed me is cheating. It's a very simple fact. Sometimes I am confused because my BRenBot can kick 20 players at a time when I restart it and I don't drop from WOL. When I don't experience the problem it makes it hard for us to troubleshoot it and you become the guinea pig since you're the only one with the problem. The reason I suppressed stats is because mySQL uses too much processor when I run the stats and I haven't had a chance to fix the table structure. Big deal. Now please stop blowing this out of proportion. I acknowledge that you are having problems with the SSC and we are working on the problem not with bandaid fixes, but with something that will improve the program and the network overall.
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-06-28T06:00:40-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: I just thought I would mention that RG does have several issues which are known to us, and they should be fixed in the soon to be released version. Among the SSC-specific fixes are: 1. A kick delay, so that when more than 1 person is kicked at a time the commands are not sent so fast as to disrupt the FDS. 2. pamsg notification of kicks. pamsg is basically a private "amsg", which is the FDS command that pops up a full screen message that you have to click OK on. pamsg will do this same thing except only to the person being kicked. This allows us to use this much more effective way of communicating with the person being kicked, instead of the current spamming of "player is being kicked for..." 3 times. RenGuard 1.1 along with Core Patch 1 is going to be a major improvement in both RG and Renegade gameplay itself, as CP1 will be fixing many engine bugs. I know this has nothing to do with the issue in this thread, but I wanted to post it anyway to let folks like Shane know that we do realize RG has some issues and we are striving to fix them and make RG stable enough for anyone to use it and feel comfortable about it. As for the issue itself, msgtpain probably doesn't realize that RG causing problems is a sensitive spot with BHS, as we are constantly plauged with users reporting problems that are definitely not RG related...people have even claimed that RG literally destroyed their computer...as in smoke came out of it and it shut down! So, being bombarded with that kind of stuff all the time probably makes us more apt to poke fun at it and be passionate about the subject. BHS is dedicated to supporting Renegade and we will do whatever it takes to make RG stable.
creator: Blazer
date: 2004-06-28T06:04:50-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: For reference so you can judge for yourself what happened, here are the logs: [13:05] [@GameBot]: [15:09] ArmedZagi: zibabwe u use big head? [13:05] [@GameBot]: [15:09] htmlgod15: not in a renguard server [13:05] [@GameBot]: [15:09] magiczs99: no he doesnt [13:05] [@GameBot]: [15:09] htmlgod15: lol [13:05] [@GameBot]: [15:09] ArmedZagi: k [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:09] scythar: This isn't RG [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:09] htmlgod15: it isn't? [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:09] scythar: Nope [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:09] magiczs99: rengaurd sucks anyways [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:10] genlkozar: motd said it was [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:10] ArmedZagi: ya [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:10] scythar: True [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:10] genlkozar: of course cheaters think renguard sux [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:10] scythar: This was RG but it was causing issues... [13:07] [@GameBot]: [15:10] genlkozar: renguard causes skin cancer too -- insert a bunch of jokes about RenGuard burning toast, etc... at which point Jarhead says: [13:19] [@GameBot]: [15:23] Host: (Jarhead): enough jupiter ... ACK stops making jokes, genlkozar (my brother) cracks a few more. A few minutes later they are talking about RA and C4Kitty mentions that her RA CD burned when her office burned... [13:23] [@GameBot]: [15:27] genlkozar: rengaurd burned c4kittes room to the ground [13:23] [@GameBot]: [15:27] Host: This is auto-warning number 1 genlkozar, you'll only get 3. [13:24] [@GameBot]: [15:28] genlkozar: renguard [13:24] [@GameBot]: [15:28] Host: This is auto-warning number 2 genlkozar, you'll only get 3. At that point Jarhead had added "RenGuard" to the swear filter. When the map ended... [13:34] [@GameBot]: [15:38] genlkozar: well that was enough ownage for one server, gotta go to one that wont kick me for saying renguard [13:34] [@GameBot]: [15:38] Host: This is auto-warning number 3 genlkozar, you'll only get 3. [13:34] [@GameBot]: [15:38] JupitersK: LOL [13:34] [@GameBot]: [15:38] JupitersK: I didn't know RG was a bad word n…
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-06-28T06:08:00-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: If GameBot is written in mIRC why not just get the SSC spec and make your own mIRC SSC? It would allow you to fix the bugs yourself, then just add a timeout for when the network is lagging/not responding and have it publically announce that RG is no longer running.
creator: snipesimo
date: 2004-06-28T06:14:10-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: I still find "htmlgod15: RENGUARD" to be funny as hell.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2004-06-28T06:16:17-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Here are all the jokes by popular request: genlkozar: renguard causes skin cancer too genlkozar: rengaurd made my wife leave me for another man genlkozar: rengaurd assassinated Kennedy AND Lincoln genlkozar: the nuclear Power plant at Chernobyl was running rengaurd when it had that meltdown htmlgod15: renguard is what made reborn suck JupitersK: Reborn made itself suck genlkozar: rengaurd makes you fat genlkozar: if rengaurd found your wallet, it would probably keep it for itself JupitersK: Renguard slept with my girlfriend last night JupitersK: RenGuard gave me herpes scythar: "I demand you uninstall Renguard from my toaster immediately" genlkozar: rengaurd burnt your toast too? JupitersK: With one fifteen minute call to RenGuard you can save 15% or more on car insurance. genlkozar: I ate some renguard and took a big poo and it clogged my toilet genlkozar: the rengaurd in my dryer makes me lose 1 sock per load ArmedZagi: and rips his undies JupitersK: RenGuard made me wet my bed genlkozar: rengaurd causes premature ejaculation genlkozar: rengaurd burned c4kittes room to the ground
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-06-28T06:28:21-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Quote: genlkozar: the nuclear Power plant at Chernobyl was running rengaurd when it had that meltdown ROFL!
creator: bigejoe14
date: 2004-06-28T06:38:05-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Yes the most optimal way would be for msgtpain to add RG support directly into gamebot, but I don't know if he has the time or will to do that.
creator: Blazer
date: 2004-06-28T06:57:36-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Crimson scythar: "I demand you uninstall Renguard from my toaster immediately" Hey you stole my punchline: http://www.renegadeforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=11025&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25
creator: gibberish
date: 2004-06-28T07:09:43-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: That's why he put quote marks around it.
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-06-28T07:23:30-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: I will be fixing the SSC for the pits as soon as I can. It just isn't easy because currently I do not have much free time, and so much other RG /renegade related stuff I have todo..
creator: mac
date: 2004-06-28T09:16:02-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: gibberish Crimson scythar: "I demand you uninstall Renguard from my toaster immediately" Hey you stole my punchline: http://www.renegadeforums.com/viewtopic.php?t=11025&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=25 Thus the quotes, couldn't add author as I didn't remember who said that. In my opinion, the jokes flying around back there were purely funny and were meant to be that way....I doubt anyone truly and wholeheartedly meant to bash anything or anyone.
creator: Scythar
date: 2004-06-28T11:33:33-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: well i checked earlier and there was no renguard on the pitts and Renguard didnt make reborn suck nor DiD Reborn make itself suck it was the first beta so no wonder it sucked but now it will not "suck" like u say
creator: Stank900
date: 2004-06-28T12:52:35-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: My personal favorite is the "save 15% on car insurance."
creator: KIRBY098
date: 2004-06-28T12:57:55-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Quote: ACK stops making jokes, genlkozar (my brother) cracks a few more. And this is the only reason you started making a "big deal" of it...it was because it was your brother. It was in there for all of about ten minutes to make them stop and it did and then it was removed.
creator: Jarhead
date: 2004-06-28T13:24:34-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Nice try crimson.. but you left out the "most important" lines, which show exactly what genkozar was really refering to.. Here, let me help Quote: [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:10] scythar: This was RG but it was causing issues... [13:07] [@GameBot]: [15:10] genlkozar: renguard causes skin cancer too [13:08] [@GameBot]: [15:11] genlkozar: servers crash all the time, then when rengaurd comes out everyone blames it on renguard [13:08] [@GameBot]: [15:12] htmlgod15: yeah seriously [13:10] [@GameBot]: [15:13] genlkozar: rengaurd made my wife leave me for another man [13:10] [@GameBot]: [15:14] genlkozar: rengaurd assassinated Kennedy AND Lincoln Someone asked if the server was running renguard, Scythar said "it was, but it was causing issues" at which point, genlkozar began in on us about how we are basically "full of shit" and the jokes began.
creator: msgtpain
date: 2004-06-28T13:46:53-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Like I said, my brother's knowledge of all this stuff is limited at best and he didn't and still doesn't know the full story about why you guys aren't running it, and I consequently don't think it's fair to pass judgement on him when he didn't know any better. He doesn't care about the backgrounds and he only picks up parts of conversations about things that Blazer and I talk about.
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-06-28T16:16:23-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: I am so glad this is public. And don't even say " It's none of your business, so STFU." If that were true, it wouldn't be on a public forum.
creator: KIRBY098
date: 2004-06-28T16:27:02-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: lol I leave Renegade for like 6 months and come back and everybody is still arguing about stuff. Not that it hasn't always been like this. (and no i'm not getting in on this argument )
creator: DragonFg
date: 2004-06-28T16:32:17-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Why not put a queue system to the kicks on the RenGuard SSC? So it wont spam all of the kicks and cause the server to restart. I dunno, just a thought...
creator: {DG}Stryder
date: 2004-06-28T17:04:47-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Crimson it appears that the BHS team is aware of the RG SSC issues as they relate to the pits server, so you, as an admin on the pits server and the spear head for the BHS and RG, should exercise some control over your other representatives including your own brother. Please tell me that you disciplined your brother and ACK for making comments on our server laying the blame on us as opposed to the RG SSC. Your brother's lack of knowledge is a poor excuse for insulting your friends. I see that you immediately intervene when your brother is kicked or when RG is talked about, however I didn’t see you jump in right after those comments and denounce the assertion that "the pits is the problem and not RG". It would have been a loyal move on your part to protect your friends at the pits and set the record straight instead you laughed! We at the pits have always backed you and your network; we also backed and promoted RG the least that you and your associates could have done is reciprocate! I can sympathies with all the user issues that BHS is faced with and all the unwarranted blame placed on RG, but your team and in particular "you" know damn well that is not the case with the pits however you allow your so called Technical Support person aka ACK to part take in making fun of the pits for not using RG.
creator: patonite
date: 2004-06-28T17:17:03-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Quote: Please tell me that you disciplined your brother and ACK for making comments on our server laying the blame on us as opposed to the RG SSC. Your brother's lack of knowledge is a poor excuse for insulting your friends. I laid blame on msgtpain, not you or anyone else. So stop attacking me and get your damn facts straight. I didn't even see why kozar was making those jokes. The only thing I saw was him making them, so I joined in becuase I found it funny and wanted something to laugh at for a few minutes. Quote: I can sympathies with all the user issues that BHS is faced with and all the unwarranted blame placed on RG, but your team and in particular "you" know damn well that is not the case with the pits however you allow your so called Technical Support person aka ACK to part take in making fun of the pits for not using RG. It'd be nice if you can figure out what you're talking about instead of trying to find a way to attack me whenever your "I'm holier than thou" mentality gives you an opportunity to do so.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2004-06-28T17:29:28-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Instead of forcing others to use your product, support those that do use your product. Making fun of a large amount of your clients because they choose to take off your product to stop their servers from crashing is not a smart business move. It only makes you look less like a professional corporation and more like a pack of wolves.
creator: vloktboky
date: 2004-06-28T17:33:57-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Uhhh... I'm not his MOTHER, I'm his sister. I apologize on his behalf for the embarrassment you endured by his inferences, and I apologize for not educating him on the particulars. However, I spend little enough time with my brother and I'm not going to sit down and go over every server on the list and make sure he only makes fun of the ones that suck. My brother isn't interested in anything except killing people in game, and that the people killing him aren't cheating. And as far as ACK goes, he wasn't paying attention to the start of the conversation, he just saw people joking about RG and joined in, and he stopped when Jarhead asked him to. Unlike people in IRC, players in-game can often miss parts of conversation when they are busy actually playing the game, therefore I find no discipline necessary.
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-06-28T17:40:23-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: vloktboky Instead of forcing others to use your product, support those that do use your product. Making fun of a large amount of your clients because they choose to take off your product to stop their servers from crashing is not a smart business move. It only makes you look less like a professional corporation and more like a pack of wolves. That's what we do... if you read the thread you'd know this.
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-06-28T17:41:39-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: You can discipline me
creator: Blazer
date: 2004-06-28T17:42:55-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Poking fun at a network for taking your product off is your way of offering support? Or am I just missing something?
creator: vloktboky
date: 2004-06-28T17:47:40-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: The whole point of this thread is that my brother didn't know why the pits wasn't running RG, just that he likes to play in a cheat-free game and that the Pits wasn't running it. He also knows how cheaters like to make up all kinds of excuses as to why they can't use RenGuard. He doesn't give a damn about stupid politics and he didn't know that there was a good reason for it to not be running on the pits. A reason I respect and understand. My brother isn't a member of BHS nor does he care about anything further than playing and not playing with cheaters, ACK didn't know the conversation started out from making fun of the Pits, and therefore it's all just a huge misunderstanding that was blown out of proportion either when Jarhead made "RenGuard" a swear word or when I posted on the admins forum that I thought it was over the line to do so... take your pick.
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-06-28T17:52:38-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: It really isn't my place to pick where this "misunderstanding" started from; but, I do feel that instead of spending all this time defending one another's actions, you should be working towards a solution to their problem. Until there is a fix for The Pitt's RG issues, I can understand completely why they want to take it off. It's not because they want to "promote cheating", or anything like that. They just want their server to stay up so people can play on it.
creator: vloktboky
date: 2004-06-28T17:57:40-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: I allready made a post in this very thread indicating that we know of the issues that caused msgtpain to remove RG, mac allready gave him one fix that apparently failed, and we are preparing another update that should take care of it. Can we end this thread now?
creator: Blazer
date: 2004-06-28T18:00:16-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Quote: I laid blame on msgtpain, not you or anyone else. So stop attacking me and get your damn facts straight. My facts are straight; when you attack msgtpain you attack the pits and all its members. Yes we do believe in loyalty and friendship. Quote: It'd be nice if you can figure out what you're talking about instead of trying to find a way to attack me whenever your "I'm holier than thou" mentality gives you an opportunity to do so. If you are not in the tech support for BHS, then stay the hell away from helping people, disconnecting and reconnecting servers and pretending to be the know it all. This is not about you; it is about your involvement in RG. I take no pleasure in pointing out your behavior however that is what and who you are. Either live with it and accept it, or change your ways.
creator: patonite
date: 2004-06-28T18:56:58-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: All things aside, personifying an anti-cheat program is pretty funny by saying it would keep your wallet if it found it... (and Chernobyl too, though I hate to humorize that sort of tragedy lol). Before WW3 starts, get a feel for others' points of view and take a step back for a moment. (*hands Patonite a bottle of JD* )
creator: BeastieJ
date: 2004-06-28T19:47:55-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Crimson For reference so you can judge for yourself what happened, here are the logs: [13:05] [@GameBot]: [15:09] ArmedZagi: zibabwe u use big head? [13:05] [@GameBot]: [15:09] htmlgod15: not in a renguard server [13:05] [@GameBot]: [15:09] magiczs99: no he doesnt [13:05] [@GameBot]: [15:09] htmlgod15: lol [13:05] [@GameBot]: [15:09] ArmedZagi: k [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:09] scythar: This isn't RG [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:09] htmlgod15: it isn't? [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:09] scythar: Nope [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:09] magiczs99: rengaurd sucks anyways [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:10] genlkozar: motd said it was [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:10] ArmedZagi: ya [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:10] scythar: True [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:10] genlkozar: of course cheaters think renguard sux [13:06] [@GameBot]: [15:10] scythar: This was RG but it was causing issues... [13:07] [@GameBot]: [15:10] genlkozar: renguard causes skin cancer too -- insert a bunch of jokes about RenGuard burning toast, etc... at which point Jarhead says: [13:19] [@GameBot]: [15:23] Host: (Jarhead): enough jupiter ... ACK stops making jokes, genlkozar (my brother) cracks a few more. A few minutes later they are talking about RA and C4Kitty mentions that her RA CD burned when her office burned... [13:23] [@GameBot]: [15:27] genlkozar: rengaurd burned c4kittes room to the ground [13:23] [@GameBot]: [15:27] Host: This is auto-warning number 1 genlkozar, you'll only get 3. [13:24] [@GameBot]: [15:28] genlkozar: renguard [13:24] [@GameBot]: [15:28] Host: This is auto-warning number 2 genlkozar, you'll only get 3. At that point Jarhead had added "RenGuard" to the swear filter. When the map ended... [13:34] [@GameBot]: [15:38] genlkozar: well that was enough ownage for one server, gotta go to one that wont kick me for saying renguard [13:34] [@GameBot]: [15:38] Host: This is auto-warning number 3 genlkozar, you'll only get 3. [13:34] [@GameBot]: [15:38] JupitersK: LOL [13:34] [@GameBot]: [15:38] JupitersK: I didn't know RG was a ba…
creator: C4Kitty
date: 2004-06-28T20:16:36-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Quote: My facts are straight; when you attack msgtpain you attack the pits and all its members. Yes we do believe in loyalty and friendship. Okay, so when he tells people he's removing it and "fix your fucking program," as if it's my fault that it doesn't work, I guess with your logic that would be an attack on all of BHS? It was between msgtpain and myself, not you. Quote: If you are not in the tech support for BHS, then stay the hell away from helping people, disconnecting and reconnecting servers and pretending to be the know it all. There is no "Tech support," we all do our part to help this community in whatever way we can. If you can't accept that, shut the fuck up or find something else to whine about. Quote: This is not about you; it is about your involvement in RG. I take no pleasure in pointing out your behavior however that is what and who you are. Either live with it and accept it, or change your ways. You haven't got any idea of who I am or what I am. Once again, take your "I'm holier than thou" garbage and find something better to do than whine.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2004-06-28T20:37:16-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Stank900 well i checked earlier and there was no renguard on the pitts and Renguard didnt make reborn suck nor DiD Reborn make itself suck it was the first beta so no wonder it sucked but now it will not "suck" like u say Ok... Everyone else may have avoided replying to this but... HE WAS JOKING MORON
creator: OnfireUK
date: 2004-06-28T20:37:24-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Quote: Before WW3 starts, get a feel for others' points of view and take a step back for a moment. (*hands Patonite a bottle of JD* ) Whatever that is supposed to mean!
creator: patonite
date: 2004-06-28T20:40:27-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Blazer You can discipline me LOL!
creator: YSLMuffins
date: 2004-06-28T21:08:10-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT
creator: England
date: 2004-06-28T21:33:04-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: HI
creator: SS217
date: 2004-06-28T22:43:46-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Give me JG SS kthx.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-06-28T22:51:23-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: So I can steal it!
creator: vloktboky
date: 2004-06-28T23:02:48-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: ....I think this has been more or less resolved. Can it be closed?
creator: Gyrapage
date: 2004-06-28T23:03:44-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: I deleted the copy he gave me.. heh. But don't go giving me any ideas vlokt.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-06-28T23:04:02-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: well, not working in front of a computer all day does have its disadvantages.. mainly, I have to wait 9 hours before I can come back and make yet another reply. Like I said originally, this is NOT about one incident only; it is about the complete and overall attitude which we have been shown by just about everyone involved with RG, aside from Mac. The above conversation was simply the "last straw" over the weekend that convinced me to bring it all out in the open. Ack has made comments to me Crimson has an IRC away message of "Im playing in [insert server here] because The Pits allows cheaters on their server" (don't forget that she's an admin ON The Pits) Comments have been made by crimsons brother (which I can see to forgive, since he really may have not had a clue) However, crimson then has the audacity to come question another admin's decision to make "renguard" a filtered word to shut them up, rather than admonishing what he was doing and making an apology (but why would she really, considering her away message) And NOW, I have PM's on the boards from other players stating "I know I was one of the people making comments about you not running renguard, but I thought it was because of some conflict between you and BHS or Ack" which further solidifies my claim that YOUR public bullshit rubs off on people. Community members, who are NOT given the full story, actually thing that WE are just allowing cheaters because we are mad at you... See how all this works? And no, I'm not okay with it all yet....
creator: msgtpain
date: 2004-06-28T23:15:23-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Yeah, I wouldn't want you to make another poor judgement and do something like that again! :rolleyes:
creator: vloktboky
date: 2004-06-28T23:15:53-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Oh, be nice vickyboy. (w00t for hospital drugs! ) Host: (ByteGuard) Running in CTF mode, created by Vickyboy and the people at Black-Cell.net. Modified by xptek.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-06-28T23:19:55-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: You're an inconsiderate prick, you know that, right? Honestly, I spent a lot of hard work on that mod and gave it to the public, yet here you are, defacing it and showing it off at me like it was some kind of trophy.
creator: vloktboky
date: 2004-06-28T23:23:17-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Quote: Community members, who are NOT given the full story, actually thing that WE are just allowing cheaters because we are mad at you... And this thread is supposed to set them straight? Why don't you just explain your rationale behind removing RG and remove all references to having it used? I mean, the server says [RG] The Pits renmaps.com - It even says "You need RenGuard to play here" when you join, yet it's not running...
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2004-06-28T23:23:42-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: vloktboky You're an inconsiderate prick, you know that, right? I've been nice to you since the whole DA/DS incident.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-06-28T23:26:12-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: And that makes up for what you did to me in the past?
creator: vloktboky
date: 2004-06-28T23:27:53-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: yeah, after being a complete and utter asshole scum of the earth, you've been "nice." but maybe you're being careful in case someone else gets some sense and realizes you should be banned from these forums instead of believing some bullshit "this isnt ns!!11 xp shouldnt be banned because hes nice!!" story.
creator: louis
date: 2004-06-28T23:28:13-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: It's not a story, these forums aren't run by n00bstories.com.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2004-06-28T23:28:59-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: as part of the agreement we made, xptek should be banned from these forums. and you know just as well as i do that the two are the same in everything but what label you want to use.
creator: louis
date: 2004-06-28T23:30:01-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: We can argue about this when I don't have holes in my neck. Oh, and I didn't actually make the CTF mod say that.. (ByteGuard) Running in CTF mode, created by Vloktboky and the people at Black-Cell.net. Modified by xptek. (ByteGuard) Tanks are allowed. (ByteGuard) Stealth tanks and stealth black hands are disallowed. (ByteGuard) Players may shoot while carrying flag. (ByteGuard) This round's capture limit is 4.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-06-28T23:30:15-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: I did make a public apology, on this thread and on your forums. I still won't play on your server until RenGuard is running again regardless of whose fault it is that you're not running it and regardless of the reason, even if I understand the reason, respect the reason, and am doing what I can to work towards resolving it, the simple fact remains that I do not like to play when player could potentially be cheating. However, I repeat that I humbly apologize on behalf of myself and my brother for any embarrassment you might have suffered at our hands.
creator: Crimson
date: 2004-06-28T23:31:12-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: "wow, people actually sympathize with someone who isn't me, i'd better apologize now"
creator: louis
date: 2004-06-28T23:32:22-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Oh, I modified the SSAOW to leave behind destroyed shells of vehicles.. I'll make sure not to deface it in any way.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-06-28T23:33:35-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: louis as part of the agreement we made, xptek should be banned from these forums. and you know just as well as i do that the two are the same in everything but what label you want to use. Far as I'm concerned that "agreement" means jack shit since I'm tempted to ban all traces of BC from IRC and wherever else n00bstories has you, simply because you took it upon yourselves to make a "treaty" without everyone present.
creator: Aircraftkiller
date: 2004-06-28T23:33:47-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: just about everyone was there but you. not my fault you're a jackass.
creator: louis
date: 2004-06-28T23:35:39-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: louis as part of the agreement we made, xptek should be banned from these forums. and you know just as well as i do that the two are the same in everything but what label you want to use. STFU and realize that xptek was banned from BC and NS for a good reason, but that shouldn't take away from him giving to the community and being a part of it. These forums are a combination of both communites and many others along with individuals who don't belong to a secondary community. He's on here because he's part of the community.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2004-06-28T23:36:12-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: And who are you again? I'll stop now in respect to msgtpain. This is his thread with his own problems, not ours. Could someone clean up this mess?
creator: vloktboky
date: 2004-06-28T23:37:41-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: He's j_ball430, or Jake.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-06-28T23:38:32-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: vloktboky And who are you again? I'll stop now in respect to msgtpain. This is his thread with his own problems, not ours. Could someone clean up this mess? Fuck off, I've been a part of this community for nearly 2 1/2 years.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2004-06-28T23:39:26-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: vloktboky And who are you again? I'll stop now in respect to msgtpain. This is his thread with his own problems, not ours. Could someone clean up this mess? You shouldn't have posted in the first place if you wanted to respect him. :rolleyes:
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-06-28T23:40:47-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: j_ball430 vloktboky And who are you again? I'll stop now in respect to msgtpain. This is his thread with his own problems, not ours. Could someone clean up this mess? Fuck off, I've been a part of this community for nearly 2 1/2 years. That was harsh. I only asked a simple question.
creator: vloktboky
date: 2004-06-28T23:41:04-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: vloktboky j_ball430 vloktboky And who are you again? I'll stop now in respect to msgtpain. This is his thread with his own problems, not ours. Could someone clean up this mess? Fuck off, I've been a part of this community for nearly 2 1/2 years. That was harsh. I only asked a simple question. You know you meant it as a deroggatory comment. Don't give me any of that innocence shit.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2004-06-28T23:43:42-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: hey, be nice now, vloktboky is a valueable member of this community and has the right to contribute here in any way he pleases!
creator: louis
date: 2004-06-28T23:44:27-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Hey, so does Jake. "Round and round we go!"
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-06-28T23:45:24-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: louis hey, be nice now, vloktboky is a valueable member of this community and has the right to contribute here in any way he pleases! We never said anything different. Although, I could say the same thing about xptek and you'd be all pissy about his ways, hypocrite.
creator: cheesesoda
date: 2004-06-28T23:45:34-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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creator: Scythar
date: 2004-06-28T23:49:07-00:00

The Pits allows cheaters on their server?
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description: Okay this is turning into flame/spamfest, so I'm locking it. I believe if msgtpain and patonite read the non flame/spam stuff they will see that the situation is being resolved to everyones satiisfaction.
creator: Blazer
date: 2004-06-29T00:00:58-00:00