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2012 Ragnarok
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description: Iv been reading some things around the net and watching some tv and there have been many people claming that the world will end come the year 2012. What is ur say in the matter? The mayan civilization's calender ended with the year 2012, alien ubduction victoms have been told of a revelation in humanity come the year 2012, people claim they have had vision of an angel tell them that all people will be sent into a gate (stargate if u will) that will send them though a worm hole into a galixy where humans will become part of a council of alien civilizations. BTW: (definition) n. Ragnarok - the end of time.
creator: TheGunrun
date: 2004-04-30T22:50:21-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Sounds like the talk of some crazy old gipsy women to me.
creator: Sanada78
date: 2004-04-30T22:55:34-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: It was all the work of Cleo.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-04-30T22:58:46-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: They said that Jesus will appear in the year 2000 also, and that the world will end. I'm either living past the "Apocalypse" or dead and remembering.
creator: IRON FART
date: 2004-04-30T23:02:30-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: jesus does not exsist thats why he never apeared at 2000 the world will not end in our life times
creator: Majiin Vegeta
date: 2004-04-30T23:10:10-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: The world is already fucked and we are probably going to die soon because of that global warming shit, so give it 1 year
creator: TnTANDY
date: 2004-04-30T23:12:12-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: I was told there will be a World War 3 in 2006.. but hey, let's sit and wait.
creator: Xtrm2Matt
date: 2004-04-30T23:12:31-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Check this site http://www.techtv.com/unscrewed/episodeguides/story/0,24682,3674121,00.html
creator: TheGunrun
date: 2004-04-30T23:20:48-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: No, that can't be right because Tiberian Sun happens in 2030.
creator: m1a1_abrams
date: 2004-05-01T00:10:30-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: believe it or not but i once had a day off school back in 1997 when we were told the world was gonna end on March 12th 1997 (or something) due to an asteroid that was gonna hit earth and that this was predicted by an ancient race who had seen the destruction of many adapt civilizations like Babylon and Egypt and the Incas and Aztecs....the moral.....the world could end in 2012, but then again i could get hit by a bus tomorrow and die so who cares? Life is life......live it stop fearing the end of it coz you were dying the moment you were born and there is nothing you can do to stop it. Why care?
creator: Kytten9
date: 2004-05-01T00:46:12-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Hmm...the year's supposed to end in 2012....huh....well, let's see how many other years the world was supposed to come to and end... 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 World's not at an end yet. Just because someone knows the Maya caldener supposedly ended in 2012 and some crazy people who claim to be abducted by aliens just for a little publicity say some random stuff about 2012 doesn't mean crap. I hate stupid things like this. Besides, it would more than likely take magic to remove the world in 8 years.
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-05-01T00:59:20-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: IRON-FART They said that Jesus will appear in the year 2000 also, and that the world will end. By "they" I hope you do not mean that scripture said that, because the Word does not mention when the world will end; Jesus doesn't even know. Majiin Vegeta jesus does not exsist thats why he never apeared at 2000 the world will not end in our life times Jesus didn't appear in 2000 because the time wasn't yet. He may return in 2012, 5435, and so on. Who knows? Maybe he'll return tonight. Anyway, about the Mayan Calendar, this fear has been around for awhile now. According to the Mayan people, whose ancestors made the calendar, say that the calendar ends in 2012 because after that there will a bright new age. It doesn't predict some massive bloody armageddon, it predicts an age of harmony. People should look more into the culture where these "signs" originated. If that happened, much more people would understand things, such as the Bible.
creator: MrBob
date: 2004-05-01T02:24:17-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: The bible is all lies. Everyone knows it's Cleo and her little island friends.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-05-01T02:44:19-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: xptek The bible is all lies. Everyone knows it's Cleo and her little island friends. Good reply. :rolleyes:
creator: MrBob
date: 2004-05-01T02:49:39-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Oh, quit being so stuck up..
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-05-01T02:51:00-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: xptek Oh, quit being so stuck up.. Quit being ignorant and arrogant. Maybe if you'd study the Orientalisms of the Bible you'd understand.
creator: MrBob
date: 2004-05-01T02:53:09-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: MrBob IRON-FART They said that Jesus will appear in the year 2000 also, and that the world will end. By "they" I hope you do not mean that scripture said that, because the Word does not mention when the world will end; Jesus doesn't even know. By "they" I mean those fanatics who are obsessed with the end of the world and believe its going to happen in their lifetime. The wierdo's who said the end of the world was going to happen in 2000....maybe it's late...it'll happen in 2001 etc. The people who start all this stuff.
creator: IRON FART
date: 2004-05-01T02:57:49-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: * xptek sighs... Take it to the "Passion of the Christ" or whatever thread. I'm sick of debating religious topics, it never gets anywhere. Back on topic: http://www.faqs.org/qa/qa-493.html Quite a little discussion there... I'll be sure to turn Christian when Jesus comes down to save/destroy us. :rolleyes:
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-05-01T03:02:29-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: I pity you.
creator: MrBob
date: 2004-05-01T04:26:39-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Oh, I know, poor little me. :rolleyes: By the way, the reason I'm being such a cynical moron tonight is because of: http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/lifecynical.php
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-05-01T04:28:33-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Time measurement its-self is a man made item. How could it relate to gates, wormholes and revelations in humanity? Unless these events coincidentally happen at the same "time" as our 2012. As far as a few other people in this thread have said, these fears have been around for a while and have often proven themselves to be hoaxes. Think of all the fears surrounding the reach of the "year 2000" which never happened. Is 2000 not of more significance than 2012? How did these 2012 fears/predictions originate? Most likely someone/people made them up, since time is a man made item, men/women decided to hoax these things up for the year 2012 -- which is man made and does not exist except in our own measurements!
creator: flyingfox
date: 2004-05-01T04:46:21-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Look, we might all die in 2012, we might die in an hour, but it doesn't really matter, because is we all are going to die anyway. Not to mention the extreme irony in these people that say "God will save me" and then go off to make a list of all the girls he wants to bang before that. I don't know about you guys, but I'd rather being happy with God forever than having a 20 second orgasm with some girl I barely know.
creator: SS217
date: 2004-05-01T05:18:15-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: who cares? If thats when we die we die no way we can help it no need in worring about it. Anyone who sits around studding that crap needs a new hobbie, its only going to make you parinoid, worried for the rest of your life because you always studing the biggeset event that will ever happen, the end of man kind. Just my opinion though
creator: cowmisfit
date: 2004-05-01T10:44:01-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: oh the world is going to end in 2012! i better get a head start and stock up on canned foods, water, and batteries for my flashlight and radio.
creator: --oo00o00oo--
date: 2004-05-01T11:37:52-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Xtrm2Matt I was told there will be a World War 3 in 2006.. but hey, let's sit and wait. John Titor say's it's going to be 2015.
creator: rm5248
date: 2004-05-01T11:49:03-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: xptek I'll be sure to turn Christian when Jesus comes down to save/destroy us. :rolleyes: same here...ill be sure to spread the word of jesus when he shows himself
creator: kawolsky
date: 2004-05-01T12:35:01-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: I dont want to start a holy war here ok! Shut up about ur god/no god opinions! Let people do what they do and leave them alone! Also about the mayan calender's 2012 thing many people think that 2012 will bring an age of global prosperity or some kind of enlightenment. Also i belive that life is something that we should look as a gift, life is really not nessessary in this universe. We should learn to care about one an other not just about ur self. I belive that we should learn about this posible event in 2012. I want humanity to continue into the future. I dont want this generation to be known as the one that let the end come with out fighing. If we were put on this earth for anything we should atleast try to achive our purpose which might come in the neer future or the far future.
creator: TheGunrun
date: 2004-05-01T17:27:24-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: The mayan's predicted their own downfall to the exact day (so my dad and the discovery channels says) and also the fall of Babylon, Roman and Inca empires...predicted both world wars and something else of "great importance" but i forget.....OMG NO NO WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE!!!!!!!!! oh wait we are gonna die anyway..... As for the God and Jesus stuff....If your religion or lack of gives you strength in times of depression and hope in times of darkness, then power to you.....just dont try to shove it down the throats of others who have their own minds or opinions made in that area..... Last but not least....if the bible is the word of god before all time, and states that he made the world in 6 days, rested on the 7th and the first 2 creatures he created were Man (adam) and woman (eve) and yet we have proven dinosaurs came before man or woman, why are they not mentioned in the bible? Im not saying im a believer and im not saying im a doubter im just saying PROVE IT!
creator: Kytten9
date: 2004-05-01T18:34:12-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: The only evidence we have that 'Jesus' ever existed is by a Bible who was written by someone so confused, they couldn't decide on what to call themself. Then, someone decided to write an addon to the 'Bible', and even they were confused to what to call themself! Hey! Let's all pray to the Bible because the Bible says so! Gee, if the Dictionary said to die, would we? If a comedian said the world will end in 2000, would we believe it?
creator: Xtrm2Matt
date: 2004-05-01T19:04:57-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Shut up! who cares if u belive something that some one else dosent! That dosent make u any less or more of a person. Just shut up about the god/ no god thing! This is a public place! Acording to the first amendment we have the freedom to free speach.
creator: TheGunrun
date: 2004-05-01T19:22:42-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: And freedom of speech works both ways. Why are you telling us to "Shut up" yet claiming you have the right to free speech? Also, this is NOT a public place. Crimson can censor anything at will.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-05-01T19:26:52-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: I'm just trying to say that this isnt the place to convince people that their belives aren't true. Let people say what they say. ( I hate contradicting myself )
creator: TheGunrun
date: 2004-05-01T23:43:30-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: This also isn't a place to convince people that their beliefs are true. I'm letting people saw whatever they'd like. Just adding my opinion into the mix.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-05-01T23:48:38-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: TheGunrun Let people say what they say. erm..... TheGunrun Shut up! who cares if u belive something that some one else dosent! no one cares....no one has to care...it's why its called opinion, If taste and belief were the same, the world would be boring, TheGunrun Acording to the first amendment we have the freedom to free speach. Im English, we dont have Amendments....Besides Amendments dont apply in cyber space, im sure i've had that arguement with people before TheGunrun ( I hate contradicting myself ) but you are so good at it....please continue [/sarcasm] :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
creator: Kytten9
date: 2004-05-02T02:25:39-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: If the world ends tomorrow, or if the world ends in 10 billion years, it doesn't matter. Humans are only good at one thing: creating more humans. It's an otherwise endless cycle of human-creation, but if it stops, why does it matter? What are people doing that makes our continued existance so important?
creator: mrpirate
date: 2004-05-02T02:52:12-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Kytten9 Im English, we dont have Amendments....Besides Amendments dont apply in cyber space, im sure i've had that arguement with people before I'd like to add to that. This place is owned privately by Crimson. She can censor/change anything at will. the amendments argument doesn't apply here.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-05-02T02:54:33-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Quote: The only evidence we have that 'Jesus' ever existed is by a Bible who was written by someone so confused, they couldn't decide on what to call themself. To start off, the Bible was written by several prophets. Not just one confused person. But since you seem to think that Christianity is "confusing" then it would be several confused people in your case. I'd also like to take the time and say thanks to all the people who said that there is no God and that Christianity is stupid. Thanks for showing respect for someone elses beliefs you assholes. I hope you take the time to learn some manners and morals towards other people before you're all worm chow.
creator: bigejoe14
date: 2004-05-02T03:08:38-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Now, saying Christianity is stupid is pretty nasty, but voicing your opinion that you do not believe in God is NOT attacking someone's beliefs in christianity.
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-05-02T03:10:48-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: bigejoe14 I'd also like to take the time and say thanks to all the people who said that there is no God Thats ok, people who pretain to atheism are hypocrites.
creator: Javaxcx
date: 2004-05-02T03:15:59-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: And for sure, believing in a god is the only logical choice.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2004-05-02T03:21:42-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Nope, not believing unequivocally.
creator: Javaxcx
date: 2004-05-02T03:35:21-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Alright, I'm done with this thread. I'm not gonna be caught arguing with some people about religion. You worship God, I worship the flying porcupine. Let's let it stand at that.
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-05-02T03:48:15-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: You too? I thought I was the only one.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2004-05-02T04:21:51-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Kytten9 Last but not least....if the bible is the word of god before all time, and states that he made the world in 6 days, rested on the 7th and the first 2 creatures he created were Man (adam) and woman (eve) and yet we have proven dinosaurs came before man or woman, why are they not mentioned in the bible? Word of God before all time? I know that Timothy 3;16 says all scripture is given by inspiration of God, but where does it say that? I'm not being critical, just interested. If you're assumed that under the assumption of predestination, I'd recommend that you order the class, "Predestination and the Freedom of Will," which can be found here. As for the dinosaurs, there is some interest in that some of the Hebrew words of Genesis 1:2, "tohu va bohu." What's the commotion about? Well, the word "was" changes to "became:" Walking in God's Power: Foundational Class Search on Google for "tohu va bohu" bigejoe14 To start off, the Bible was written by several prophets. Not just one confused person. But since you seem to think that Christianity is "confusing" then it would be several confused people in your case. Very true. The books contained in the Bible run from circa 1050 B.C. (Genesis) to 100 A.D. (Revelation). This time frame may be stretched further if the Book of Enoch is legitimate. Speaking of which, they are many books that are supposedly scripture, but are not in the canocical texts. There are some references to such books like the Book of the Wars of the Lord or Book of Jasher. More stuff about books not in the canocical Bible: http://www.sacred-texts.com/chr/apo/index.htm Sorry about hijacking your topic, Gunny. I'm just sick and tired of people like xptek who always bring up crap. I for one am tired of "putting up" with people like him dissing God, Jesus, scripture, and so on. It's time my generation listened to God, before they cause more chaos and lies in this world. God bless
creator: MrBob
date: 2004-05-02T05:26:32-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Yes, and I'm tired of the friggin church people coming to my door and forcing their opinion down my throats. If you don't like my opinion, don't respond. You have a 0.1% chance of swaying my opinion. When I see some pictures of Jesus, or when the world goes boom. I'll believe it.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-05-02T05:30:02-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: xptek If you don't like my opinion, don't respond. No, I will not let you and your idiotic peers destroy this country and generation without a fight.
creator: MrBob
date: 2004-05-02T05:31:48-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: I haven't destroyed anything so far, care to enlighten me here? Just because you don't have the same opinions as I do doesn't mean I'm destroying anything.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-05-02T05:32:59-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Words and idealogies can be weapons. Also, just because they have good intentions doesn't mean that they aren't.
creator: MrBob
date: 2004-05-02T05:34:14-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Not believing in a god is a weapon? I'm not the one against gays and other groups. It's ironic you're telling me I'm destroying stuff, when a lot of wars have been caused by religion.
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-05-02T05:36:21-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Some things to about the Church and the differences between really believing and "religion": 1 Corinthians 12:14-27 Escape from Christendom The Fire The Apostacy Also, read about Constantine, the origins of the Catholic Church, and the council of Nicea.
creator: MrBob
date: 2004-05-02T05:48:56-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: I'm more frightened by people who believe in god than by those who don't. Not necessarily Christians; I find that any religious people give the me creeps.
creator: mrpirate
date: 2004-05-02T05:58:00-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: I don't mind people that are religious, it's just when they take it too far..
creator: xptek_disabled
date: 2004-05-02T05:58:53-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: cowmisfit who cares? If thats when we die we die no way we can help it no need in worring about it. Anyone who sits around studding that crap needs a new hobbie, its only going to make you parinoid, worried for the rest of your life because you always studing the biggeset event that will ever happen, the end of man kind. Just my opinion though I agree, Thinking of this shit doesn't make any sense, If we're going to die, then there is nothing to do about it. So just live a life and don't think about death.
creator: pulverizer
date: 2004-05-02T08:56:38-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: people wonder why holy wars start..... MrBob thinks agnostics or non-believers destroy his country.....infadels......wait that reminds me havent we heard that word before? Just think where it lead serveral hundred countries just a few years ago.....all because one religion thought others were wrong.... Look at the Jews and Muslims they have slaughtered each other for thousands of years now and yet the blood still flows in their wars..... Whats your point? If it were up to you would you kill of people who choose not to believe in god? Christian hypocrite? what about god "giving" the people free will, and in that will the right to choose, even if in his eyes it want the right choice? Yes? No? If yes then i believe you are being somewhat contradictive of yourself. If no then i believe both the bible and the religion you hold so dear is a contradiction in itself. But in hummanity people are free to choose, free to live how they please. The only thing that may stop them is being thrown in Jail...but they still made that choice. All i can say is the non-believers will never believe, the Christians will never forget....so stop trying to ram it down the throats of others. And btw shouldnt this now be in politics and hot issues?
creator: Kytten9
date: 2004-05-02T10:13:45-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: you have just confused all the logic of this planet I have to go kill my self now cuz nothing makes sense anymore... D:
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2004-05-02T10:18:43-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Looks like no one read the links I gave.
creator: MrBob
date: 2004-05-02T13:26:03-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: At this rate this topic will be locked in a few hours. The best thing to do to keep this topic going is to compleatly shut up about the god or no god thing and focus on the topic.
creator: TheGunrun
date: 2004-05-02T13:29:51-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: If you dont beleive in god or the bible theres no need to go digging around for any shred of evidence that it is a fraud. If anything just let it go that its a book of morals for people to live there lives by. If you choose to ignore it thats fine no one is calling you immoral because of it. We are calling you immoral because you deliberatly attack it despite this
creator: Ferhago
date: 2004-05-02T15:57:29-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: /sighs Politics and hot issues..... whoever started the god no god shit should be taken to a pasture and shot.
creator: Kytten9
date: 2004-05-02T19:24:07-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: The freaking topic of this thread is armegeddon. The question about God is BOUND to follow. Now stop whining about it, kids.
creator: Javaxcx
date: 2004-05-02T19:37:24-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: EEK! GunRun, why didn’t you tell me about this topic? Before I start, here’s to all you retards who have to revolt against some one just because their of a different religion: If you living like there is no god you better be right. Any way, this is one of the few topics of don’t have much solid information on, mostly because no one does, here is my explanation: I don’t want to go into this, but any one who is religious would know stories about super natural things within their religion; angels and resurrections are examples. Most current religions were formed by an angel telling a person something and in turn, that person spreading it around. I'll get back to this in a bit, after you read all of this it will come together. A Very long time ago large pools of water (soon to be oceans) life appeared and evolved at an alarming rate. Scientists are still puzzled on how it got there but it just seemed to start. Earth could actually have been seeded by an advanced alien race, or as an experiment. Or the organic compounds just formed by themselves. Now to the Mayans, there is strong evidence of their interaction with extraterrestrial life, or they were just really smart: A small stone model of an air plane was found in a temple that was thought to be sealed for thousands of years. If you fly over the desert there you will see huge "runways" in the ground, so big you wouldn’t notice it on the ground, just a small drop while walking. The Egyptians actually have records of activities that would be alien to us. Now, on to the 2012 thing, it could very well be true. Now if you didn’t put it together already, what I’ve been saying is that God, or any other god for that matter, angels, and other things like that are aliens who have been watching over us for thousands of years. If you still think this is bullshit, there are documents, and other things showing the probable of existence of aliens who are observing us. Like a recording from an Apollo mission that described what an as…
creator: Infinint
date: 2004-05-02T22:30:54-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: With what you just said and the explanation that we will be taken through a gate that wormholes space/folds space i feel like this is a striyline to the next Stargate SG1 episode..... Yes it's all possible and sometimes makes you think.....i mean look at the evidence, But then again what if that evidence is there to keep us looking? what if it is placed there? What about De Ja Vu? etc....ever thought you could be in the martrix as well? Silly but everything has evidence....what does the evidence point to? Belief.... Oh and Budha isnt a religion from Angels or Gods of any kind...research it, Siddat Gotama was a muslim prince who saw suffering, walked into the wild and meditated until he starved to death and reached "enlightenment" no gods there....their gods are those who are enlightened ones and even they arent devine in nature, just in stature.... It all seems fasniating to me, but so did the whole "the world is gonna end in 1997" crap and im still here.
creator: Kytten9
date: 2004-05-02T22:38:58-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Its cool and all to be religous, but not ubsesed with it and let it ruin your lives, the people who follow it word for word don't say shit or damnt every once in a while, dont ever get mad, are the ones who freek me out.
creator: cowmisfit
date: 2004-05-02T22:39:00-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Kytten9 brings up a good point, but what if its in revers, we are ment to figure it out, once we do and accept it when will show themselfs. Like a puzzel. An expariment to see how long it will take to figure it out. 2000-2012 might be the par time
creator: Infinint
date: 2004-05-02T22:42:43-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: lol, you guys are over thinking this a tad i think, who cares when we all die, if its gonna happen its gonna happen, any of us could be in the street and get our ass hit by a Ford pickup truck at anytime, but do you worrie about it? No, or at least i hope not. So just forget all this
creator: cowmisfit
date: 2004-05-02T22:46:59-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: .... ... :twisted: *Infinint kills cowmisfit* This isent an issue about dieing, for all we know they could be inviting us to a party... For all we know aliens probibly don't exsist.
creator: Infinint
date: 2004-05-02T23:00:12-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: We should settle this in a Renegade match, Pagans on nod, Christians on GDI, whoever wins is right. But of course Christians always beat Pagans because Pagans are stupid and think the universe was created from a big exploding rock. Well.......what created the big ass rock? How can a big ass rock of elements distribute planets, moons, and suns across infinity????
creator: [A-I]NastyDead
date: 2004-05-03T11:28:34-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: What created the big rock? Simply this, every few maybe trillion years the universe collapses on itself and then explodes again. This is all part of the big bang theory. The Universe itself is actually infinite time old, but this stage of it, which is the infinite stage of infinite stages, is mealy a few hundred billion years old. Then it expands and collapses in on itself and a new universe is born. Then there’s the branch theory that other universe are created though black holes and continue in the same fission of explaining and contracting.
creator: Infinint
date: 2004-05-03T14:55:04-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Hey, infinint. Looks like some one is watching the same stuff im watching. "There is truth in your fiction and fiction in your truth". There must be a purpose for our own existence. We don't know our purpose, but if we knew we would lose hope and our humanity would look more like we have the purpose of a rock.
creator: TheGunrun
date: 2004-05-03T19:47:40-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Someone should organize that match. BTW what created the universe??
creator: [A-I]NastyDead
date: 2004-05-03T20:21:42-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Infinint Then there’s the branch theory that other universe are created though black holes and continue in the same fission of explaining and contracting. I'd like to know how you can explain that "other universes" (WITHIN THIS UNIVERSE, mind you,) are created by compressed matter exploding. In fact, I'd like to see proof of a blackhole that has "exploded" in the first place.
creator: Javaxcx
date: 2004-05-03T20:26:40-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: yeah good idea, how do you know what these old nerds are saying fact and not just some complicated theory.
creator: [A-I]NastyDead
date: 2004-05-03T20:32:27-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Javaxcx, what? Anyway, I'll get the name of the theory and get a site on it, its the most popular theory on how the universe works. Here's a picturefyed explanation, sorry for the other one cuz I wrote it up quick so some of you didn’t understand. Ok, there’s a model similar to the one that was used when I learned it. Time is represented by purple to cyan. The whole model is not happening at once, only one at a time is going on and any given moment, plus all branches. The branch starts on the time line were the black hole formed and continues on until its disconnected when its mother universe collapses to an infinitely small size to form a new universe in a big bang process. The life of a universe is like this: (1) big bang, (2) expansion, (3) shrinkage, (4) compression, (5) big bang. The branches are formed from black holes sucking out material from one universe and dropping it off in a new one created on the time of the black hole creation. This plays a part in the multivers theory, were there are an infinite amount of universe (which are infinitely large) in an infinitely large space. Mind boggling if you think about it. Finally, NastyDead, I'm not old, and I'm not forcing anything on you, there is no solid evidence and there never will be, if current physics holds true, we will never see anything to help us know if this is fact. These are merely popular and well supported theories. Although there is evidence of the big bang theory in our own universe. X-Ray, and UV ray photos have been taken of light still traveling to us from past occurrences. This can also tell us how the universe is infinitely large, by folding back on itself. This is true for a shape thingy with a certain name (I forgot) were if you were to walk forward, you would go on forever but really you would still be in the same space. I don’t want to go into this a lot cuz I don’t have hours to write it all out. You can look some stuff up online.
creator: Infinint
date: 2004-05-03T21:14:33-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: [A-I NastyDead]BTW what created the universe?? No one knows, according to that theory, another univers Big Banging did, thinking farther back is up to you, but your not going to get vary far without ending up were you started.
creator: Infinint
date: 2004-05-03T21:17:16-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: The only thing that model can describe is a theortical timeline of the universe, where the elipses represent one cycle of all the matter and energy in existence. For starters, that's not the most popular theory about how the universe works. The one that is actually widely accepted (thanks to growing evidence) is an open universe theory where there has and will only be ONE cycle of the universe. After the theoretical big bang, matter will continue you expand outward for eternity until the also theoretical "heat death" of the universe. This assumes that the void that is space is an infinite distance OR infinate loop. Oh, and don't expect to draw an "infinate loop" diagram of the universe, because it cannot be done in 3 dimenions. Secondly, for your theory to work, there is alot of theoretical physics that deduces how unlikely that actually is. For the universe to compress upon itself, the acceleration that matter is undergoing right now will have to be overtaken by a pull of gravity GREATER than the force of acceration forcing the universe outward as we speak. So essentially, gravity would have to have an exponentail effect greater to that of the exponential effect of acceleration, otherwise we're going to continue to fly outwards for eternity.
creator: Javaxcx
date: 2004-05-03T21:30:09-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Its one of the popular theories. Any ways, this isent a war over which theory is better or whos wroung or right, becuase when you talk around the univeres theres no supportable evidence, and mostlikly when there is we will be way off. You don't have to talk to me like I'm an idiot. I even explained how the infinite loop univers worked, just i forgot the name of the therum/equation what ever, i gtg.
creator: Infinint
date: 2004-05-03T21:47:22-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: This is s a true story: On the night of 22 may 2003 - 23 may 2003, I had been abducted by aliens. They did experiments with me and all they told me was 2012. :huh:
creator: Rex
date: 2004-05-04T09:30:05-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Poor you.
creator: Infinint
date: 2004-05-04T15:03:19-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: TnTANDY The world is already fucked and we are probably going to die soon because of that global warming shit, so give it 1 year I wish...
creator: z310
date: 2004-05-04T18:23:02-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: ? Global warming is happening.
creator: Infinint
date: 2004-05-04T20:48:27-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: [A-I NastyDead]We should settle this in a Renegade match, Pagans on nod, Christians on GDI, whoever wins is right. But of course Christians always beat Pagans because Pagans are stupid and think the universe was created from a big exploding rock. Well.......what created the big ass rock? How can a big ass rock of elements distribute planets, moons, and suns across infinity???? So you're saying that Universum can't have existed always? Why not? Saying that God must've created it is pointless, what was before God then? What created God? Or is it somehow possible that only God can have existed always, the same is not possible for the Universe? The John Titor guy had some interesting discussion in the pages linked here before, I've read most of the forums and articles (Crap amount of text there, I tell you). It's a fascinating story, but they never released the video from Titors departing which kind of messed up the whole thing.
creator: Scythar
date: 2004-05-04T21:51:37-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: I was wondering what created god myself, but screw it my puny human brain couldnt take the information if someone explained it to me.
creator: [A-I]NastyDead
date: 2004-05-05T01:43:24-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Infinint Global warming is happening. No, it isn't. The very people who have been saying the world is heating up because of the actions of humans, the unabomber for one, thirty years ago said that the very actions of humans would have ushered in an ice age within a few thousand years; in other words, they were freaking out about global cooling.
creator: Hydra
date: 2004-05-05T05:45:15-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Ok, for the people who ask who created god and what was before god think of this. God created the concept of time. Time is just a way things function and i belive that this didnt exist before god. Before time there was compleat nothing a type of reality that is incomprehencible. As they say "All good things come to an end." The posiblitys are endless and ever incoherent.
creator: TheGunrun
date: 2004-05-06T02:49:11-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: It's funny how some of the people who say "What created God? How could he exist if nothing else created him?" usually say "Oh, well, it's just always been there" when asked "What created the matter for the Big Bang?" yet they don't realize they just contradicted themselves. What created God, you ask? Nothing. You know why? Because he's always been there. Before the Big Bang, before the creation of matter, before all other things, there was God. How can someone say he can't exist since nothing made him?
creator: Hydra
date: 2004-05-06T04:45:39-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: scientists have said if it wasn't for global warming we would be in a Ice age right now. Think on that.
creator: DarkDemin
date: 2004-05-06T04:51:35-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Yes...to a certain extent. Nastydead Pagans are stupid and think the universe was created from a big exploding rock. Well.......what created the big ass rock? How can a big ass rock of elements distribute planets, moons, and suns across infinity???? Not a big rock, but all matter that compressed itself to a supposed limit imposed by string theory, at which point everything violently erupted outward. Then, as everything was shooting away from each other, gravity started to make clumps, or galaxies. And here we are. What created the "rock"? Why, perhaps it has existed for all eternity. I doubt the human mind can understand the concept. Well, what created god? Or has god always been there? Or why does God, although being all-powerful, so on and so forth, have human limitations like design and create, and yet gets to be around forever, something humans can't understand? So, god gets to be some human things and some non-understood things. Just a thought.
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-05-07T01:20:25-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Can any one tell me what is string theroy? I only know a little bit of it as in multiple universes, god existing in 10 dimentional hyperspace, posiblity to created a bouble universe.
creator: TheGunrun
date: 2004-05-08T00:18:44-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Look up Brian Greene on the web. He's one of the leading physicists involved in string theory right now.
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-05-08T01:20:11-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: God wasn't created because he is eternal, meaning he was, is and is to come. It's something our infinite mind can't fully understand.
creator: MrBob
date: 2004-05-08T19:39:00-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Then would it be feasible to believe that the "rock" that started the big bang has always existed and always will? Maybe it's just one of god's creations. I honestly have no idea.
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-05-08T20:11:48-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: hydra1945 Infinint Global warming is happening. No, it isn't. The very people who have been saying the world is heating up because of the actions of humans, the unabomber for one, thirty years ago said that the very actions of humans would have ushered in an ice age within a few thousand years; in other words, they were freaking out about global cooling. Global warming isn't happening? The heat record in many places have been broken. UK, Canada...no doubt other places. It even affects Alaska. No, there isn't going to be Global cooling either because the Earth has been coming out of an ice age for the last 10 thousand years. Pollution from cars etc have not been the sole contributor to global warming, but they have contributed. And they do reduce air quality in the long run. Quote: God wasn't created because he is eternal, meaning he was, is and is to come. It's something our infinite mind can't fully understand. I really want to know how you came to that conclusion. I think the mind of a person is designed to accept religion.
creator: IRON FART
date: 2004-05-08T20:14:11-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: MrBob God wasn't created because he is eternal, meaning he was, is and is to come. It's something our infinite mind can't fully understand. Exactly what I was trying to say...the exact same logic could be used to say that life(universe) has always existed and that there was nothing before the beginning except infinity. You can use the idea behind this for both proving and denying the existence of a "higher power". But damn, am I confusing or what?
creator: Scythar
date: 2004-05-08T20:45:43-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: IRON-FART Quote: God wasn't created because he is eternal, meaning he was, is and is to come. It's something our infinite mind can't fully understand. I really want to know how you came to that conclusion. I think the mind of a person is designed to accept religion. I wrote that wrong. What I was trying to say was we can't apply our finite thinking to infinite matters. Perhaps I should work more on my writing.
creator: MrBob
date: 2004-05-08T20:50:16-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: IRON-FART Global warming isn't happening? The heat record in many places have been broken. UK, Canada...no doubt other places. It even affects Alaska. The highest snowfall records has also been broken in many places. Does that mean the Earth is getting colder? No. Quote: Pollution from cars etc have not been the sole contributor to global warming, but they have contributed. And they do reduce air quality in the long run. The effect caused by cars is insignificant when compared with the effect of natural forces such as the cycle of sunspots. IF the Earth is indeed getting warmer, it's caused by natural forces and not by humans.
creator: Hydra
date: 2004-05-09T21:42:09-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Hey, i just saw the comercial for the movie 'The day after tommarow'. Does any one think that this senario is posible? Looks really scary to me.
creator: TheGunrun
date: 2004-05-10T01:26:18-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: MrBob IRON-FART Quote: God wasn't created because he is eternal, meaning he was, is and is to come. It's something our infinite mind can't fully understand. I really want to know how you came to that conclusion. I think the mind of a person is designed to accept religion. I wrote that wrong. What I was trying to say was we can't apply our finite thinking to infinite matters. Perhaps I should work more on my writing. That sounds better. I was like I am sure he means infinite...
creator: Creed3020
date: 2004-05-10T01:50:31-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: To TheGunRun: From what I've seen of the movie, I'll be winning the Nobel Peace Prize for Best Actor in a Sit-Com before that movie ever happens in real life.
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-05-10T02:02:58-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Were all stupid sheep, that have shitty lives without religion, my life has gotten 100X better since I started going to church, whatever I pray for, god eventually gives me. I bet you pagan peoples lives suck, and youre lives probobly revolve around this message board and ren, or you think your lifes fine when it isnt, and you know it unconciously.
creator: [A-I]NastyDead
date: 2004-05-10T02:06:44-00:00

2012 Ragnarok
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description: Well, my life don't suck. No, I don't revolve around this message board, I don't even play Renegade anymore. The last 14 words you put down don't really mean anything at all.
creator: SuperFlyingEngi
date: 2004-05-10T02:11:00-00:00