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Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247442 is a reply to message #242006] Wed, 28 February 2007 14:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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why not it uses 2.02 I thought they used that. & you create real time viewer & people are going to get pissed off. Renhawk was made so it wasnt live. If you make a live version I will do everything in my power to stop you. K thx.

Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247462 is a reply to message #242006] Wed, 28 February 2007 16:26 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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i don't think you have any power to stop me; but then, why would you want to?
Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247473 is a reply to message #242006] Wed, 28 February 2007 17:48 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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It will be abused! minax knew this & was designing it so it couldnt be used live...

Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247487 is a reply to message #242006] Wed, 28 February 2007 19:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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He's right, any kind of live game viewer will be abused. It needs to have a lengthly delay in it.

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Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247490 is a reply to message #242006] Wed, 28 February 2007 19:21 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Of course it *might* be abused. But tell me where would they find out the custom port of the viewer, how would they get the password for it (if it applies) and where would they get the download for it?

Nonetheless, how would they know the server is even running it?


Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247508 is a reply to message #242006] Wed, 28 February 2007 22:28 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You can program it to use a special port and a password, smartass. I don't think help-linux is making his app in flash.

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Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247518 is a reply to message #242006] Thu, 01 March 2007 01:20 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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although, flash was a much better way to go. i just wish i knew actionscript. yeah, mine is in c++.

also, before jumping to comclusions about it being abused, i suggest you wait till you see a feature list. i already know people will try to abuse it.

if your really concerned. the reason i put the server into Sbot (if you have been watching the thread you should knew that). is because i can check for ip addresses, to make sure people arnt in game as well as watching Seye. the connection will be secure, so packet catchers wont work. and there will be a delay, as stated in the thread.
Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247551 is a reply to message #242006] Thu, 01 March 2007 09:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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The only thing with it being better in flash is that people don't have to download and run it manualy. IE they just visit a webpage to see the game. psu, i suggest you look up the meaning of "Ignorent" Wink. Also, if you want to make a client yourself, more power to you; go ahead and do it. im sure people that use it will make their own mind up as to which will be better.
Just to clear something up for you psu, you still have to download a flash app to see it. otherwise, how would your computer know what to run? don't question someones knowlage if you hardly know them. Just you have a skill in a certain area doesn't mean you are suddenly bigger than them.
Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247583 is a reply to message #242006] Thu, 01 March 2007 12:06 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey man, I didnt say anything about any one knowing anything, People started attacking me, So im going bitch them out. I wasnt talking about them or to them, & dont expect them to fuck with me, but since they choose to anyway.. I will attack them back. Yes you are correct. Flash cannot run its applications on the internet. It downloads everything to run. But do the users know that? 90 % of them dont. Do the users care? And most of all do the users want the computer to download the program descreetly or do the users want to download it themselves & have to enter passwords, IPs, & port numbers. Im not saying theres anything wrong with the way your doing it.

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Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247584 is a reply to message #242006] Thu, 01 March 2007 12:18 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247595 is a reply to message #242006] Thu, 01 March 2007 13:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Hey, Like I said before, I didnt start anything. I was just talking about renhawk when the n00bs attacked me with flames.

Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247614 is a reply to message #242006] Thu, 01 March 2007 14:53 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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You started to say shit about Seye. That = you started am I correct?

Next up, where does it say n00bs attacking you with flames, I believe that attack is legitimate, and has nothing to do with RenHawk and/or Seye.

I have been attack by a flamer by noobs plenty of times. And since Seye never came out as a public release, and RenHawk isn't live, how would they have the advantage?

You make no sense.


Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247633 is a reply to message #242006] Thu, 01 March 2007 16:30 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Quote:

You started to say shit about Seye. That = you started am I correct?


um no. I said if you make a live viewer, I will do anything in my power to stop you.

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Next up, where does it say n00bs attacking you with flames, I believe that attack is legitimate, and has nothing to do with RenHawk and/or Seye.


well thanks for deleting the post about me going back to my ctf server or w-e you said.

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I have been attack by a flamer by noobs plenty of times. And since Seye never came out as a public release, and RenHawk isn't live, how would they have the advantage?


Well that doesnt mean you can take it out on me just because you got flamed. -- If it was live, You could know where every one was, what they had, & get an advantage. If you didnt figure this out by know, just wait till its out & you start getting complaints.

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You make no sense.


Sry, Didnt think I had to talk with small words for you to understand. Please show me something you dont understand & I will explain.


Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247763 is a reply to message #242006] Fri, 02 March 2007 10:38 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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In order for the client to display anything the server has to connect to it, so a custom port and a password will prevent anyone who doesn't know them from getting at "live" view, I'm sure there'll be a serverside option to prevent "live" viewing, as well as being able to list the clients, thus allowing moderators to see who is connected. Etc etc.


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Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247766 is a reply to message #242006] Fri, 02 March 2007 11:17 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Simply delaying the view for a public viewer would solve the abusiveness and is a tested tactic for other games (for example GW does this). The problem is storing the imagery.

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Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247770 is a reply to message #242006] Fri, 02 March 2007 11:36 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Yes but people will start using live viewer as an excuse. They will say you must be using the live viewer. You cant prove that your not using it anymore, For me the host. How do you tell a person / n00b that your not using the live viewer? Huh

I feel its better just to not have a live viewer.... I think it will cause very many problems, more or less just an excuse for people to use to fight the mods/host.


Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247798 is a reply to message #247770] Fri, 02 March 2007 15:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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psufan wrote on Fri, 02 March 2007 18:36

Yes but people will start using live viewer as an excuse. They will say you must be using the live viewer. You cant prove that your not using it anymore, For me the host. How do you tell a person / n00b that your not using the live viewer? Huh

I feel its better just to not have a live viewer.... I think it will cause very many problems, more or less just an excuse for people to use to fight the mods/host.



its very very easy. if you were watching the Sbot thread you will see that you can see the IPs of all the people connected with Seye. you then check your server to see if anyone is in game. although Sbot will automaticly kick people from Seye if they are in game. a delay is whats needed. and if you don't want people to see the game going on in your server, don't install a game viewer host Wink
Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247817 is a reply to message #247770] Fri, 02 March 2007 16:42 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Sry that doesnt answer my question. Satisfied

psufan wrote on Fri, 02 March 2007 12:36

They will say you must be using the live viewer. You cant prove that your not using it anymore, For me the host. How do you tell a person / n00b that your not using the live viewer? Huh



Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247874 is a reply to message #242006] Sat, 03 March 2007 02:23 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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are you talking about Seye or any viewer in general?
Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247895 is a reply to message #242006] Sat, 03 March 2007 05:55 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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any live viewer

Re: RenHawk Download? [message #247903 is a reply to message #242006] Sat, 03 March 2007 06:47 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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well it depends.
the server must have some sort of mod so that the live veiwer can connect to it and start reciving data. unless the live viewer is on the same computer / server the FDS is on. but even then, SSAOW is a mod. this mod would have to be a server for the veiwers to connect to, programaticly you can get the ip of the people connected. this can be bypassed though, with a proxy or a diffrent internet connection. like i said before, if you don't want people connecting to your server and viewing the game; then don't install the viewer server.


Re: RenHawk Download? [message #248051 is a reply to message #242006] Sat, 03 March 2007 20:34 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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wow ok, you dont understand or am not reading what I am writing.

I AM SAYING, HOW DO YOU PROVE TO PEOPLE YOUR NOT GETTING AN ADVANTAGE BY USING THE LIVE VIEWER, HOW DO YOU SAY (AS THE HOST) THAT YOUR NOT USING THE VIEWER TO SPY ON THEM!


Re: RenHawk Download? [message #248066 is a reply to message #242006] Sat, 03 March 2007 22:11 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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Just have a feature where people ingame can use a command to see who all is connected to the Seye. :\

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Re: RenHawk Download? [message #248094 is a reply to message #248051] Sun, 04 March 2007 03:02 Go to previous messageGo to next message
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psufan wrote on Sun, 04 March 2007 03:34

wow ok, you dont understand or am not reading what I am writing.

I AM SAYING, HOW DO YOU PROVE TO PEOPLE YOUR NOT GETTING AN ADVANTAGE BY USING THE LIVE VIEWER, HOW DO YOU SAY (AS THE HOST) THAT YOUR NOT USING THE VIEWER TO SPY ON THEM!


i couldn't care less what the host is doing to their own server. people would know, the would see that everytime an SBH is in your base or on the field you would catch them.

like i said before the Seye would kick you anyway. weather your the host or not.

if you mean that you want to tell them your not using the veiwer. when your not ingame, you can't.
Re: RenHawk Download? [message #248105 is a reply to message #242006] Sun, 04 March 2007 05:48 Go to previous messageGo to previous message
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but you can show them ingame that your not using the viewer?

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